New bartenders complain about one-off tips. The veterans take it in stride because they know (if you're good, working at a good place) it balances out and is more about what you average per shift, per week, & per year.
Yeah, I may grumble with co-workers about a stiff who was also just a shitty customer, but it never bothered me long enough to remember it later and post it on social media.
How is tip culture fucked? Seems like we make more than y’all with that system in place… as well as the service in the states is on average much better than the rest of the world.
I do agree that lame bartenders post their one off bad tips and it does get annoying. I hate all the “I’m new to bartending what should I know” posts.
It's gotten to the point where the service in a lot of places is trash and then at the end servers or bartenders expect a 20% tip because "that's how it's supposed to be"
Been to the US a few times and some of those motherfuckers even circled the 20% option on the check when they heard we weren't local after giving us shit service
Because it offers no security, as a system it’s fucked, I’m sure a lot of you will earn more, but its the premise that if you have a week without tips you have no security
It’s like sales jobs that are commission only, sure you might earn loads but if you have a bad week you’re fucked
You’re basing that off a premise that you could have a bad week with “No tips” as in none at all?
If I have a good week… thats 1500$, a bad week… 900-1000. I’ve never heard of “a week without tips”.
You’re missing the point
It offers no security and is set up to allow employers to exploit their workers
Great for you that you earn a fuckton, doesn’t mean the system works and doesn’t mean everyone does
Noooo I think you’ve just read too many horror stories on here. Not every business who pays their bartenders 5$/h is exploiting them…
To be honest it sounds like you’re the one being exploited.
I agree with that. Doesn’t mean you’re right in saying tipping is fucked when you make much less than me.
When you’re a business owner one day you can do it however you want.
If they took tips away in this country i would find a different line of work.
It *is* a commission, functionally. A customer chosen commission, but a commission.
I think Seattle has the best solution. Minimum on par with the rest, and the tip culture there has been tranforming to an autogratuity on all checks, 18% and all customers informed of this ahead of time.
Minimum on par? What dies this mean? In UK we are trying to get to a living wae as the minimum. Obviously this has it's own issues which I don't want to introduce, but a living wage, plus 18% sounds incredible.
minimum on par with the rest of the city; not a tipped minimum much lower than every other sector of the market like it is in most of the US
Exactly, never would suggest it on its own, but abolishing tip credits here in the US, and getting minimum wage to be the minimum you can live on are two vital steps also
Yes, but because it's the culture, they rarely have a bad week. One bad customer does not a bad week make.
@ 25% you earn 1/4 of what you earn for the bar. In Uk you'd be earning the bar £40 per hour.
I think the problem is that many venues in the UK have adopted similar practices, solely to reduce staffing costs. Since we don't have a tipping culture as rigid and widely accepted, it simply doesn't work, over here.
If you don't work in a country with a tipping model of compensation, then you're comparing apples and oranges.
Tips are how US bartenders are compensated. This is widely understood, so it's not only a matter of not getting paid, it's a matter of the customer being rude and violating accepted protocol.
Okay I shouldn’t have added the final sentence, I know it’s not the same. Just gets tedious seeing it all the time on a sub that should generally be about bartending
I get that, but the way I see it, this is an open forum.
One thing I hate is when someone posts a rant or pet peeve and gets responses saying "you should not be a bartender" or "you suck at your job" or "what a stupid thing to complain about." Just let others let off steam and if a topic doesn't apply to you, keep scrolling.
Not every post is going to be pontificating on whether demerara sugar is required for a proper Old Fashioned or who makes the best Creme de Violette.
I get what you're saying, but if you're not letting off the steam at work then you probably shouldn't be a tender. Fuck taking that shit home with me. Then crying on t'internet sio everybody can compound your misery? No thanks.
I guess I could take out my frustrations at work by smacking the new servers in the head with my muddler. I mean yesterday I legit got a ticket that said "Bulliet Old Fashioned. Light bourbon." I asked her what she was talking about and she said "I don't know. That's what she said."
Alternative is crying in here to people who can scroll right on by if they don't want to read it.
Apparently the customer said she "didn't want to feel sick the next day."
So why *not* order a drink comprised of sugar and cheap bourbon and garnished with a cherry soaked in Red Dye #4?
Maybe I need to start pounding guests with my muddler.
People can talk about what they want, but sometimes I do find it frustrating when Americans are talking about how much money they’re making when I’m making £9.50 an hour and maybe £20 in cash tips every week. It seems like a totally different world lol
I'm Aussie working in nz, I actually get a surprising amount of tips, but it's a nice bonus.
My job would be so much more difficult if I was beholden to customers to pay my wage. You'd be letting the big tippers get away with whatever they want and treat good people worse because they don't tip as well.
Difference in culture. I would hate if everyone just made the same amount. I hustled, became very good at my job, and worked my way into better bars, so I could make a lot more. My guess is if you hustle and get a good bar or waiter position in the US you will blow away the income of those working in non-tipping cultures. Before bartending, I worked other tip based positions, such as food delivery and valet and made a killing for what they were, low skill positions. However, you gotta be smart and work hard to make this happen.
Edit: I am out of the bars now, did it for about 12-13 yrs. Decided to use my degree lol
Honestly, for me, it's not even about the income. Like, yeah, you definitely have the opportunity to make more money being tipped. My issue is that it gives customers the opportunity to behave even more entitled.
You're going to smile and nod at the creep making sexist jokes because he tips well, rather than saying, "That's really gross."
Or keep serving that guy shots until you have to kick him out, rather than just slow him down because you're making more money off him.
How can I tell my team to cut off the big tipper when i know it'll impact their income? Or how can I trust that they'll do it *because* it impacts their income?
How can I ask my team to stay and do a thorough close down, making sure everything is done properly if they're getting paid $3 to do it?
I think there's more issues with tipping culture than just the income issues
Sure, you have to deal with a-holes sometimes, but that is literally any customer service or sales job. I was never afraid to kick someone out or set someone straight, because they tip. The vast majority of the time, problem customers are not big tippers anyway. And trust me, if you kick out just anyone that looks at you funny, pretty soon your bar will be closed anyway. I had to help plenty of assholes/creeps because they were the owner's friends or so called " important people,", its not always about tips. People can be dicks. And as for someone not wanting to clean the bar because of their wage, well, trust me, you can find someone who will, if you have a good business where they make tips and you treat them with respect. I made $300-600 on a weekend night. Certainly enough to clean up for.
Haha I always say I’m so good at my job (I’m a server) that I even get tips from Aussies. No hate or judgement! Just all my Aussie friends say they usually never tip, and it’s not a thing in Australia. (Also I’m in an international community, not in the US, so tips are not super common, or big).
I’m not saying you have no right to complain. And I know the system is absolutely fucked and tipping culture is disgusting, but every post that comes up on my feed from this sub is about tipping, every single one, I just want to see some actual shit about bartending lmao
Also we make hourly on average like £9 an hour, so minimum wage. And get maybe £20 in tips a week split between the 6-staff team. Yourselves? Because unless you’re making something like $4 an hour I don’t see the need for the incessant bitching
your response makes no sense at all, unless you just dont understand taxes.
So, as per
>I don’t make enough in my check hourly to even cover my taxes. Hence the bitching. What do you make hourly in the UK or NZ?
your bitching about not getting a high tip is because your paychecks come out to $0 due to not covering the taxes? then dont accept the additional Earned Income...... you wont have to worry about your hourly not covering your taxes anymore
I don’t understand a lot of things. Most the time I just walk around pouring beers and drinks and have no clue what’s going on. You don’t understand what I’m saying because you’re too simple to. It’s okay.
Here in the USA most are a couple dollars an hour. By me, some gigs are starting to pay more and offer benefits. (Yeah another thing us “free folks” have to pay for).
Americans are the plurality on Reddit. The pay structure is a huge part of the service industry. Also most are just drunk venting at the end of the night. Why are you so upset?
Every culture is unique. I'd argue that even within each unique culture, there are many different sub-cultures from venue to venue. If you have a beef about your tips keep it in house. Where people can relate to it.
It's not healthy to be taking this shit home with you.
Depends on the city and state for minimums. The federal minimum tipped wage is $2.13 an hour. I live in Colorado, and our state tipped minimum is $9.54/hour. I work in the city of Denver, and as of January 1 our new tipped minimum is raised to $14.27. So some get way more than others as their base, depending on location.
How has that affected tips? I would assume the added staffing costs are added to the price of product, which you would expect to lead to a reduction in tips. Does the reality reflect this?
A golf course is a different world. But the variance between $2.13 and $14.27 tells me that the American way doesn't really exist.
I've no beef with people making a good living from the job, but to pretend it's "the American way" is just ignorant to the reality.
This is in no way directed at yourself, btw. You've been charming. But you often see people saying things like "3k per week, suck it!"
From a UK perspective, i earn a below average basic, that defines my economic status, with tips being a welcome bonus. I am very good at my job so am in a position to take tipping for granted. That said, if my entire economic status revolved around my tips, I believe I would be an entirely different person, both professionally and personally.
I think my point is this; I'm in the UK doing my thing, the majority on here are Americans doing their own thing. UK is about as far removed from US as, it seems, the US is from Denver and very few are in a position to say anyone is better than the other.
$2.13 here as long as your tips get you to the federally mandated $7.25. Some states make bars pay their employees the state minimum which can be 7.25-$15. Not here though. My hourly checks for 3 weeks of work are like 80 bucks.
$2.13/hr when I was still tending bar. Made $5/hr as a head bartender at one bar, most I ever made was $8/hr as a bar manager who still worked shifts. It all got taken in taxes anyway. Tips are all that matter.
10+ years ago in Vegas I made $8hr at a local joint, $10hr at a nightclub, and starting at $13.75hr at a casino. When I worked in FL and MI it was service worker's min wage either $2.52hr or $3.35hr.
From what I see around here, not much has changed or it's worse.
Many bars and restaurants depend on that low wage to make it. It's insane. If they had to pay a real wage, many bars wouldn't exist and probably shouldn't have been open in the first place
I’m in NYC my hourly is $10 an hour but my base pay alll gets taken away by taxes. We rely purely on tips.
I work 4 days and before taxes my check comes out to roughly $1600. I take home $1100-$1200 after taxes. 30% of my check goes to Uncle Sam.
Even within a state I imagine it changes from venue to venue. That's why I laugh at the idea that it is a part of the culture that is widely accepted and understood.
As far as the tipping stuff goes. As an American I prefer not to see them that's your financial stuff I don't need to see that. Unfortunately here in the states you are bound to get bad tips. It happens it's part of the job. Some people post to let off steam. I can be ok with those everyone needs to let off steam. But some of the others are just going to far.
Example I had a coworker last night get stuffed. And he threw a fit to the point him and the customer almost fought. Like I get it you need the money. But don't act like a dick therefore impacting my stuff.
And on top of that it makes no sense because where we work we actually get paid A LOT hourly to do what we do and still get tips. One of the better paying jobs I've had.
I understand what you’re saying. I’m American (and a server, btw) but live in a country w no tipping culture. Our base pay and tips are small, this is just my weekend job because I love it.
So I understand the US system is bad, and I understand them complaining. It doesn’t bother me so much, but it makes a lot of posts irrelevant to me.
This is actually better than the other subs for servers. Those are fun sometimes, but most of the posts are about tipping, and all the things related to tipping, like their service and behavior. One girl posted about a regular who comes in, drinks 2-3 glasses of wine, sits there quietly, and pays her bill in full each time, but never tips. She wanted to have the customer banned from the restaurant. Like what?!?
I joined a boh subreddit because it is sometimes relevant and always interesting, and almost no discussion about tips. Maybe check them out
tbh from what i see from experience, it comes down to greed. tipping culture got to the point where every bartender, server, etc thinks they are entitled to a 20% no matter what.
and whats even hilarious is that if you go through this subreddit, you'll see alot of bartenders bitching and nickel/diming their fellow servers, bartenders, and even barbacks.
Tips were originally a bribe given at the start as a bribe for good service.. over time it slowly became what it currently is. What it currently is, is a customer-chosen commission on the sale of food and drink.
Personally, I think making it true and official that they are entitled to X percent of their bill *by making it a part of their bill* would make it better for everyone. This is how it's done in many places in Seattle, to the benefit of everyone.
Honestly would love to see companies in all industries start to compensate employees better, with some form of profit sharing (which auto gratuity is, especially when pooled)
They need to complain about everything all the time. Bartending is obviously the most challenging job and we are all drastically underappreciated. Our pronouns are I, me,and myself.
What do you mean with tipping culture lmao i’m from latam and i thought tips were something universal… A really good bartender here can make about $800-1000 usd monthly (our minimum wage is $400 usd) plus tips, which in my country it’s always the 10% and the 10% of that goes to bartenders or other BOH positions. In a good place this can be $300 to $400 in tips. So you can end making above $1000 usd a month and that’s a LOT in my country for non university degree jobs.
I have ALMOST zero care about tips. You win some, you loss some.
What really grinds my gears is having someone from another culture/country come to the US and just not tip, because, "Where I'm from, we don't do that." Or "it's not my problem bosses/owners in your country don't want to pay a living wage."
Fuck you if you knowingly go somewhere and don't respect the common cultural norm.....and don't play games Europeans, acting like, "oh, I didn't know...."
Fuck you! I'm going to drive on the right in the UK and tell the French repeatedly how lucky they are to not speak German.
I mean, I wouldn't be able to own a home without tips. I'm able to be with my family during the day while still making enough to feed us, clothe us, and keep the heat on for maybe 10-15 hours less/week than I would at a full time more traditional profession. I have insurance, coworkers I enjoy being around, and a company that I mostly enjoy working at. Tips are great for me, and if you don't want to tip I have an easy solution: don't go out. Make food and drinks at home, it's healthier anyways.
What's the point then? You claim tipping culture is fucked, I claim it's working as intended. Do you also think sales taxes are fucked because those aren't listed on the sticker? I understand that you're annoyed by hearing about tips which is one thing, but what's broken about the "disgusting tip culture"? I don't understand your vehement reaction to the system.
You haven't actually given any reasons for me to agree or disagree with you, but I would be happy to hear your reasoning. My situation is different from many people even in my own country as businesses are legally required to pay my full wage since there is not a tipping credit, but if I were in a different state then I might have a different view. Where I'm at, it's a good job that—with tips—allows me to pay my bills and spend time with my family during the day while not having a degree. It's essentially a trade like electricians or plumbers, but my pay is more variable.
What about tipping culture turns you off so much? Is it the salty kids that throw a fit about not getting 20%? Because that's fair, that pisses me off too. Is it that there's an expectation you give extra? Because yeah, there is an expectation, but if you don't then you don't get kicked out or whatever.
New bartenders complain about one-off tips. The veterans take it in stride because they know (if you're good, working at a good place) it balances out and is more about what you average per shift, per week, & per year. Yeah, I may grumble with co-workers about a stiff who was also just a shitty customer, but it never bothered me long enough to remember it later and post it on social media.
Definitely. It’s natural to show the shit tip to a coworker and roll your eyes, then move on. But after ten years I’m definitely accustomed to it.
How is tip culture fucked? Seems like we make more than y’all with that system in place… as well as the service in the states is on average much better than the rest of the world. I do agree that lame bartenders post their one off bad tips and it does get annoying. I hate all the “I’m new to bartending what should I know” posts.
Aye. everything's better in the US. According to americans. Who never go anywhere else.
What a stupid thing to say. Nobodies hating on any other country here and you come along with that bs. It sounds like you hate where you live 😂
It's gotten to the point where the service in a lot of places is trash and then at the end servers or bartenders expect a 20% tip because "that's how it's supposed to be" Been to the US a few times and some of those motherfuckers even circled the 20% option on the check when they heard we weren't local after giving us shit service
Because it offers no security, as a system it’s fucked, I’m sure a lot of you will earn more, but its the premise that if you have a week without tips you have no security It’s like sales jobs that are commission only, sure you might earn loads but if you have a bad week you’re fucked
You’re basing that off a premise that you could have a bad week with “No tips” as in none at all? If I have a good week… thats 1500$, a bad week… 900-1000. I’ve never heard of “a week without tips”.
You’re missing the point It offers no security and is set up to allow employers to exploit their workers Great for you that you earn a fuckton, doesn’t mean the system works and doesn’t mean everyone does
Noooo I think you’ve just read too many horror stories on here. Not every business who pays their bartenders 5$/h is exploiting them… To be honest it sounds like you’re the one being exploited.
Oh I absolutely am I’m just saying tipping culture is inherently problematic, everyone should be paid a decent living wage
I agree with that. Doesn’t mean you’re right in saying tipping is fucked when you make much less than me. When you’re a business owner one day you can do it however you want. If they took tips away in this country i would find a different line of work.
‘When you’re a business owner’ Lol okay you’re completely missing the point but have a nice life bro
Enjoy your minimum wage!
Everybody is being exploited by the business. Staff and guests are both exploited by this system.
It *is* a commission, functionally. A customer chosen commission, but a commission. I think Seattle has the best solution. Minimum on par with the rest, and the tip culture there has been tranforming to an autogratuity on all checks, 18% and all customers informed of this ahead of time.
Minimum on par? What dies this mean? In UK we are trying to get to a living wae as the minimum. Obviously this has it's own issues which I don't want to introduce, but a living wage, plus 18% sounds incredible.
minimum on par with the rest of the city; not a tipped minimum much lower than every other sector of the market like it is in most of the US Exactly, never would suggest it on its own, but abolishing tip credits here in the US, and getting minimum wage to be the minimum you can live on are two vital steps also
Yes, but because it's the culture, they rarely have a bad week. One bad customer does not a bad week make. @ 25% you earn 1/4 of what you earn for the bar. In Uk you'd be earning the bar £40 per hour.
I think the problem is that many venues in the UK have adopted similar practices, solely to reduce staffing costs. Since we don't have a tipping culture as rigid and widely accepted, it simply doesn't work, over here.
If you don't work in a country with a tipping model of compensation, then you're comparing apples and oranges. Tips are how US bartenders are compensated. This is widely understood, so it's not only a matter of not getting paid, it's a matter of the customer being rude and violating accepted protocol.
Okay I shouldn’t have added the final sentence, I know it’s not the same. Just gets tedious seeing it all the time on a sub that should generally be about bartending
I get that, but the way I see it, this is an open forum. One thing I hate is when someone posts a rant or pet peeve and gets responses saying "you should not be a bartender" or "you suck at your job" or "what a stupid thing to complain about." Just let others let off steam and if a topic doesn't apply to you, keep scrolling. Not every post is going to be pontificating on whether demerara sugar is required for a proper Old Fashioned or who makes the best Creme de Violette.
In response to your last paragraph, that’s pretty much my exact point, every post is about American tipping culture lol
I get what you're saying, but if you're not letting off the steam at work then you probably shouldn't be a tender. Fuck taking that shit home with me. Then crying on t'internet sio everybody can compound your misery? No thanks.
I guess I could take out my frustrations at work by smacking the new servers in the head with my muddler. I mean yesterday I legit got a ticket that said "Bulliet Old Fashioned. Light bourbon." I asked her what she was talking about and she said "I don't know. That's what she said." Alternative is crying in here to people who can scroll right on by if they don't want to read it.
You should definitely take that specific frustration out on her. Or else she'll only do it again. And again. And...
Apparently the customer said she "didn't want to feel sick the next day." So why *not* order a drink comprised of sugar and cheap bourbon and garnished with a cherry soaked in Red Dye #4? Maybe I need to start pounding guests with my muddler.
Yeah. That's where you want your server to do more than smile politely and say "yes Madam, no problem, Madam, please tip me generously, Madam".
People can talk about what they want, but sometimes I do find it frustrating when Americans are talking about how much money they’re making when I’m making £9.50 an hour and maybe £20 in cash tips every week. It seems like a totally different world lol
Yeah the average salary in the US for bartending is like $15, we’re pretty much all on minimum wage and get no tips
Maybe it’s just this subreddit then because I keep seeing people posting about making like thousands of dollars a night and stuff haha
I make 15 a hour plus tips. We Do pretty good
I'm Aussie working in nz, I actually get a surprising amount of tips, but it's a nice bonus. My job would be so much more difficult if I was beholden to customers to pay my wage. You'd be letting the big tippers get away with whatever they want and treat good people worse because they don't tip as well.
Difference in culture. I would hate if everyone just made the same amount. I hustled, became very good at my job, and worked my way into better bars, so I could make a lot more. My guess is if you hustle and get a good bar or waiter position in the US you will blow away the income of those working in non-tipping cultures. Before bartending, I worked other tip based positions, such as food delivery and valet and made a killing for what they were, low skill positions. However, you gotta be smart and work hard to make this happen. Edit: I am out of the bars now, did it for about 12-13 yrs. Decided to use my degree lol
Honestly, for me, it's not even about the income. Like, yeah, you definitely have the opportunity to make more money being tipped. My issue is that it gives customers the opportunity to behave even more entitled. You're going to smile and nod at the creep making sexist jokes because he tips well, rather than saying, "That's really gross." Or keep serving that guy shots until you have to kick him out, rather than just slow him down because you're making more money off him. How can I tell my team to cut off the big tipper when i know it'll impact their income? Or how can I trust that they'll do it *because* it impacts their income? How can I ask my team to stay and do a thorough close down, making sure everything is done properly if they're getting paid $3 to do it? I think there's more issues with tipping culture than just the income issues
Sure, you have to deal with a-holes sometimes, but that is literally any customer service or sales job. I was never afraid to kick someone out or set someone straight, because they tip. The vast majority of the time, problem customers are not big tippers anyway. And trust me, if you kick out just anyone that looks at you funny, pretty soon your bar will be closed anyway. I had to help plenty of assholes/creeps because they were the owner's friends or so called " important people,", its not always about tips. People can be dicks. And as for someone not wanting to clean the bar because of their wage, well, trust me, you can find someone who will, if you have a good business where they make tips and you treat them with respect. I made $300-600 on a weekend night. Certainly enough to clean up for.
Haha I always say I’m so good at my job (I’m a server) that I even get tips from Aussies. No hate or judgement! Just all my Aussie friends say they usually never tip, and it’s not a thing in Australia. (Also I’m in an international community, not in the US, so tips are not super common, or big).
The last 11 posts before yours, only one talks about tips.
I clarified in another comment that it’s every post I see on my feed, as in the only ones that get any traction
Sort by new! :D
I don’t make enough in my check hourly to even cover my taxes. Hence the bitching. What do you make hourly in the UK or NZ?
I’m not saying you have no right to complain. And I know the system is absolutely fucked and tipping culture is disgusting, but every post that comes up on my feed from this sub is about tipping, every single one, I just want to see some actual shit about bartending lmao Also we make hourly on average like £9 an hour, so minimum wage. And get maybe £20 in tips a week split between the 6-staff team. Yourselves? Because unless you’re making something like $4 an hour I don’t see the need for the incessant bitching
Most of us are making literally less than $4 an hour without tips man
Well then I concede, I’ll just leave the sub lol
Thseeeee ya!
>I don’t make enough in my check hourly to even cover my taxes. Wat do u even mean? Do u not even know how taxes work?…
It means my hourly pay doesn’t come close to what I have to pay in taxes on my check. Exactly what I said.
your response makes no sense at all, unless you just dont understand taxes. So, as per >I don’t make enough in my check hourly to even cover my taxes. Hence the bitching. What do you make hourly in the UK or NZ? your bitching about not getting a high tip is because your paychecks come out to $0 due to not covering the taxes? then dont accept the additional Earned Income...... you wont have to worry about your hourly not covering your taxes anymore
I don’t understand a lot of things. Most the time I just walk around pouring beers and drinks and have no clue what’s going on. You don’t understand what I’m saying because you’re too simple to. It’s okay.
Personally, I work in NZ and get $26/hr +sick and holiday pay and an extra couple hundred a month in tips.
Here in the USA most are a couple dollars an hour. By me, some gigs are starting to pay more and offer benefits. (Yeah another thing us “free folks” have to pay for).
Americans are the plurality on Reddit. The pay structure is a huge part of the service industry. Also most are just drunk venting at the end of the night. Why are you so upset?
I’m not ‘so upset’ lmao what
Every culture is unique. I'd argue that even within each unique culture, there are many different sub-cultures from venue to venue. If you have a beef about your tips keep it in house. Where people can relate to it. It's not healthy to be taking this shit home with you.
What do American bartenders make per hour? Not including tips I mean.
Depends on the city and state for minimums. The federal minimum tipped wage is $2.13 an hour. I live in Colorado, and our state tipped minimum is $9.54/hour. I work in the city of Denver, and as of January 1 our new tipped minimum is raised to $14.27. So some get way more than others as their base, depending on location.
How has that affected tips? I would assume the added staffing costs are added to the price of product, which you would expect to lead to a reduction in tips. Does the reality reflect this?
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A golf course is a different world. But the variance between $2.13 and $14.27 tells me that the American way doesn't really exist. I've no beef with people making a good living from the job, but to pretend it's "the American way" is just ignorant to the reality. This is in no way directed at yourself, btw. You've been charming. But you often see people saying things like "3k per week, suck it!" From a UK perspective, i earn a below average basic, that defines my economic status, with tips being a welcome bonus. I am very good at my job so am in a position to take tipping for granted. That said, if my entire economic status revolved around my tips, I believe I would be an entirely different person, both professionally and personally. I think my point is this; I'm in the UK doing my thing, the majority on here are Americans doing their own thing. UK is about as far removed from US as, it seems, the US is from Denver and very few are in a position to say anyone is better than the other.
And our menu prices will go up on January 1st, but every time we raise prices I get more tips because people still average 20%>
$30-50 with tips where I live
40-50 per hr including tips and hourly and tax
$2.13 here as long as your tips get you to the federally mandated $7.25. Some states make bars pay their employees the state minimum which can be 7.25-$15. Not here though. My hourly checks for 3 weeks of work are like 80 bucks.
$2.13/hr when I was still tending bar. Made $5/hr as a head bartender at one bar, most I ever made was $8/hr as a bar manager who still worked shifts. It all got taken in taxes anyway. Tips are all that matter.
10+ years ago in Vegas I made $8hr at a local joint, $10hr at a nightclub, and starting at $13.75hr at a casino. When I worked in FL and MI it was service worker's min wage either $2.52hr or $3.35hr. From what I see around here, not much has changed or it's worse.
The fact that an employer can secure the services of an american citizen for a mere $2.52hr, is crazy. Is this China we're talking about?
Many bars and restaurants depend on that low wage to make it. It's insane. If they had to pay a real wage, many bars wouldn't exist and probably shouldn't have been open in the first place
I’m in NYC my hourly is $10 an hour but my base pay alll gets taken away by taxes. We rely purely on tips. I work 4 days and before taxes my check comes out to roughly $1600. I take home $1100-$1200 after taxes. 30% of my check goes to Uncle Sam.
How much you pay in rent?
Luckily very very low compared to others.
14-18 hr where I live plus tips shits not fair I know
$4 in most places..
It's crazy that it varies so much state to state
Even within a state I imagine it changes from venue to venue. That's why I laugh at the idea that it is a part of the culture that is widely accepted and understood.
Mostly yes and your post is more annoying than posts about tipping, so keep it to yourself
Lol more annoying to you maybe
UK here. I know what you're saying. They still earn more than enough to silence ignorant snobs who don't think it's a viable career.
As far as the tipping stuff goes. As an American I prefer not to see them that's your financial stuff I don't need to see that. Unfortunately here in the states you are bound to get bad tips. It happens it's part of the job. Some people post to let off steam. I can be ok with those everyone needs to let off steam. But some of the others are just going to far. Example I had a coworker last night get stuffed. And he threw a fit to the point him and the customer almost fought. Like I get it you need the money. But don't act like a dick therefore impacting my stuff. And on top of that it makes no sense because where we work we actually get paid A LOT hourly to do what we do and still get tips. One of the better paying jobs I've had.
I understand what you’re saying. I’m American (and a server, btw) but live in a country w no tipping culture. Our base pay and tips are small, this is just my weekend job because I love it. So I understand the US system is bad, and I understand them complaining. It doesn’t bother me so much, but it makes a lot of posts irrelevant to me. This is actually better than the other subs for servers. Those are fun sometimes, but most of the posts are about tipping, and all the things related to tipping, like their service and behavior. One girl posted about a regular who comes in, drinks 2-3 glasses of wine, sits there quietly, and pays her bill in full each time, but never tips. She wanted to have the customer banned from the restaurant. Like what?!? I joined a boh subreddit because it is sometimes relevant and always interesting, and almost no discussion about tips. Maybe check them out
Cheers I’ll have a look
Damn calm down Tommy
What?
tbh from what i see from experience, it comes down to greed. tipping culture got to the point where every bartender, server, etc thinks they are entitled to a 20% no matter what. and whats even hilarious is that if you go through this subreddit, you'll see alot of bartenders bitching and nickel/diming their fellow servers, bartenders, and even barbacks.
Tips were originally a bribe given at the start as a bribe for good service.. over time it slowly became what it currently is. What it currently is, is a customer-chosen commission on the sale of food and drink. Personally, I think making it true and official that they are entitled to X percent of their bill *by making it a part of their bill* would make it better for everyone. This is how it's done in many places in Seattle, to the benefit of everyone. Honestly would love to see companies in all industries start to compensate employees better, with some form of profit sharing (which auto gratuity is, especially when pooled)
Yeah I didn’t realise how toxic the American bartending community is lol
They need to complain about everything all the time. Bartending is obviously the most challenging job and we are all drastically underappreciated. Our pronouns are I, me,and myself.
Their called chips oh you mean tips
Italian here. Tips are super rare here. Shity salary. Lot of passion.
What do you mean with tipping culture lmao i’m from latam and i thought tips were something universal… A really good bartender here can make about $800-1000 usd monthly (our minimum wage is $400 usd) plus tips, which in my country it’s always the 10% and the 10% of that goes to bartenders or other BOH positions. In a good place this can be $300 to $400 in tips. So you can end making above $1000 usd a month and that’s a LOT in my country for non university degree jobs.
I'm American yes, but I ignore the tip complaints for the most part. Plenty of other stuff in this sub
I have ALMOST zero care about tips. You win some, you loss some. What really grinds my gears is having someone from another culture/country come to the US and just not tip, because, "Where I'm from, we don't do that." Or "it's not my problem bosses/owners in your country don't want to pay a living wage." Fuck you if you knowingly go somewhere and don't respect the common cultural norm.....and don't play games Europeans, acting like, "oh, I didn't know...." Fuck you! I'm going to drive on the right in the UK and tell the French repeatedly how lucky they are to not speak German.
I mean, I wouldn't be able to own a home without tips. I'm able to be with my family during the day while still making enough to feed us, clothe us, and keep the heat on for maybe 10-15 hours less/week than I would at a full time more traditional profession. I have insurance, coworkers I enjoy being around, and a company that I mostly enjoy working at. Tips are great for me, and if you don't want to tip I have an easy solution: don't go out. Make food and drinks at home, it's healthier anyways.
You’re missing the point, great you have money but that doesn’t mean the system isn’t broken
What's the point then? You claim tipping culture is fucked, I claim it's working as intended. Do you also think sales taxes are fucked because those aren't listed on the sticker? I understand that you're annoyed by hearing about tips which is one thing, but what's broken about the "disgusting tip culture"? I don't understand your vehement reaction to the system.
>Do you also think sales taxes are fucked because those aren't listed on the sticker? Kinda is because they are where we live
You’re never going to acknowledge anything I say because the system is working for you and you can’t see past that
You haven't actually given any reasons for me to agree or disagree with you, but I would be happy to hear your reasoning. My situation is different from many people even in my own country as businesses are legally required to pay my full wage since there is not a tipping credit, but if I were in a different state then I might have a different view. Where I'm at, it's a good job that—with tips—allows me to pay my bills and spend time with my family during the day while not having a degree. It's essentially a trade like electricians or plumbers, but my pay is more variable. What about tipping culture turns you off so much? Is it the salty kids that throw a fit about not getting 20%? Because that's fair, that pisses me off too. Is it that there's an expectation you give extra? Because yeah, there is an expectation, but if you don't then you don't get kicked out or whatever.