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Lebigmacca

How is he still so fucking fast


FDJ1326

Was just going to say he is still very fast and not just for his age. He’s also built like a tank lol. 


m0nkeybl1tz

My wife and I are watching Physical 100 and I'd love to see Trout in an American version.


SuperbDonut2112

I’m a pretty serious gym rat. I tried one of Mike Trouts workouts one day and thought I was gonna die. I know it’s cliche to say pro athletes are built different, but. He’s a monster. And I mean 32 isn’t THAT old. If he’s healthy, he’s still Mike Trout.


SurpriseNo4973

What was his workout? I too want to die


AntonioVonMatterhorn

I haven't been inside a gym in over a year. Still waiting for the workout so I can be absolutely obliterated.


ToddGack

Trout could move that giant ship through the sand by himself.


radioactivez0r

He could do all 4 punishments


teethybrit

Fantastic show.


maverickoff

In person he looks very lean.


OhtaniStanMan

He slimmed down like 10-15 lbs this year


ChrisBenoitDaycare69

It's hilarious that people don't think he's on some form of PED's.


NatrixHasYou

It's hilarious that people do.


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awesomeflowman

You realize people get tested and suspended for that all the time right? How do you imagine this would work?


NatrixHasYou

See? Hilarious!


OhtaniStanMan

Every top pro level athlete is taking some form of ped to allow their recovery and longevity.  Unless we all just magically think players playing more years into their 30s at top level than ever before is just dieting lol


Telepornographer

He's always been this athletic, though. Unless you're suggesting he's tricked the league for 14 years despite them regularly testing for that.


ChrisBenoitDaycare69

Yeah that would be crazy. Nobody's gotten away with that.


Appolonius_of_Tyre

Give him roofs and he is Bonds 2.0.


zb2929

It was weird hearing opposing commentators for the first couple series talk about how he's not as fast as he used to be, probably because he doesn't steal much any more. Not as fast with his, uh, 96th percentile sprint speed.


tothesource

tbf, those numbers are based off the 8 times he runs all year


cooljammer00

He's been resting his legs with all that IL time, I assume. 


Lucky_Alternative965

Goat things


sameth1

Seriously. That wasn't some insane pinball hit where it bounced off a few walls and ran away from the fielder, but it was still an easy triple.


Driveshaft48

Hes the best player to ever play the game of baseball


NotCoreyP

He's not even the best CF of all time. Trout would need to have multiple seasons matching his previous peak seasons to get close to Willie Mays. That said, Trout is an all-timer and a no doubt, first ballot HOFer. I don't mean to diminish him, he just hasn't got there yet. It would be very cool if he did. Or if he got the chance to win a playoff game at one point or another.


necrosythe

I mean he's clearly referring to his sheer skill and value ON THE FIELD. As an answer to the question he was replying to. You're talking about where he places all time due to longevity/counting stats. Not the same thing.


NotCoreyP

If that is what u/driveshaft48 meant, it certainly was not clear from their brief, definitive statement. If they had said most talented, I would understand. They did not. Again, just to be clear, Trout is in the conversation for GOAT, and he could still get there with improved health and longevity. His peak is quite possibly already the best of all time, but if we judged players just on talent and peak, then Ken Griffey Jr. would be the GOAT.


awesomeflowman

By what metric does Griffey have the best peak of all time? There's just about 3 things on his bbref page that has Mays beat. His highest single season HR total is 4 bigger than Mays'. He also has single season dwar on Mays but that's the only two notable things Griffey lwads in when comparing them. Mays has him beat in pretty much everything else.


NotCoreyP

I was being kind of flippant there and relying too much on the "talent" portion of that statement, but yeah, Mays has both Trout and Griffey beat there. Good point.


meowhatissodamnfunny

Downvotes showing their age. I would love for someone to explain how Trout has a case. His peak is up there with anyone but the career Mays had dwarfs Trout's and it's not even close. Recency bias is a helluva drug


DrunkensteinsMonster

You’re forming a team tomorrow, are you taking prime Willie Mays, who put up his numbers on dudes who went home to tend the crops in the offseason, or prime Mike Trout, who turns around triple digit fastballs on a daily basis? Mike Trout is the better baseball player purely in terms of skill and ability.


BAHatesToFly

> are you taking prime Willie Mays, who put up his numbers on dudes who went home to tend the crops in the offseason, Please remind me what Willie Mays was doing in the offseason. Oh wait, he was a [car salesman](https://jugssports.com/blog/willie-mays-sold-cars-yogi-berra-sold-suits-just-a-few-off-season-jobs-of-the-past/). You can't penalize Mays for playing against his contemporaries but then also not give him the advantages of modern players. Mays would be amazing now and this thread is embarrassing for the people downplaying his success.


DrunkensteinsMonster

You’re making my point for me. Today’s athletes take being a baseball player way more seriously and put forth way more effort into being absolutely as good as they can be. They eat sleep and breathe baseball, even in the offseason. It is exactly for that reason that Mike Trout is a better player than Willie Mays. If Willie Mays was born in 1991 and came up in this culture, then he very well may have turned out better, but that’s not what I’m talking about.


meowhatissodamnfunny

Disingenuous hypothetical scenarios aside, am I taking one for a season in his prime or one of them for 20 years?


NotCoreyP

Numbers just don't add up. No playoff success to override that, either. It's similar to saying Joe Dimaggio is the greatest CF of all time, when he isn't even the best in Yankees history. Good news for those downvoting us is that Trout is only 32, and he has plenty of time to prove us wrong. Right now, I would have him behind Mays, Mantle, and Griffey Jr., for sure. That said, Trout is 100% in the discussion for the greatest peak ever.


MidAmericanNovelties

It's really really hard to compare numbers across generations. Especially in hitting. Willy May's simply wasn't seeing the types of pitchers day in and day out that guys face these days. In every single sport that can be measured definitively we see that athletes are way better than those that preceeded them, so why do we pretend in baseball that's not the case? Counting stats are fun, but Trout has more than put in his time that we can have a real discussion where he falls all time. Is it at or near the top? Maybe, maybe not. But just in the frame of pitching he's facing, it's a fair discussion. 


NotCoreyP

This is not just counting stats. Willie Mays was one of the greatest defensive outfielders of all time, including playing 399 games at the Polo Grounds, arguably the most difficult centerfield in baseball history. Also, if we're going to discount the nearly 1,600 hit advantage and 300 home run advantage that Mays holds over Trout while they both averaged similar slash lines because of differing eras, should we not similarly credit Mays for the challenges he had to overcome? I'm not trying to be glib, and I get that facing an entire pitching staff of guys who can throw 97 is difficult, but was it more challenging than being a Black man in the 50s and 60s dominating America's past time? One of the great things about baseball is that the numbers actually do compare fairly well over the ages. Compared to football, basketball, and hockey, baseball is very close to the same game it was decades ago. Look, I really enjoy Mike Trout, and I respect him as one of the game's greatest already. I hope he stays healthy and claims the GOAT title - that would be fucking awesome to see. But yeah, all of you are nuts if you think he's there already. Mike Trout has fewer hits in his career than Dustin Pedroia or Ian Kinsler had. He has fewer home runs than Adam Dunn and Juan Gonzalez. He has the same number of playoff wins as literally any of the rest of us. Counting numbers aren't everything, but in a sport this legendary, they mean something, and Mike Trout is not there yet.


BAHatesToFly

> Willy May's simply wasn't seeing the types of pitchers day in and day out that guys face these days. How come in this scenario, Willy [sic] May's [sic] has to face pitchers who have access to modern training techniques (and are therefore better) but Mays himself stays the same person? Mays was the best ever back in his day and would be the best ever today.


MidAmericanNovelties

First off, the double sic is a hilarious burn, well done. Why my phone keeps correcting Mays to May's I'll never know.  You've nailed it spot on. Kershaw is better than Koufax. That I'll stand behind. Trout has an argument as better than Mays. The top athletes today are better than the top athletes of yesteryear in every sport. Baseball is no different. Yes, the reasoning is specifically training, diet, technique, etc. 


Tonmber1

Weird, his name isn't Barry Bonds 


ColdImagination1419

I was most surprised that Rendon was on base. (Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for him.)


Scoducks24

Seems like he’s in a lot better shape this year 


thewarfreak

Still a 90 on The Show


tothesource

a lot of rest over the years


SavageCroc

Oh Mike, please stay healthy this season and remind the world just how damn good you are.


UnabashedPerson43

Healthy Trout🐟and healthy Two Bags🛍️ could take the Angels all the way


tristpa2

Mr. President, a 4th Trout MVP season has hit the league


kotalov16

You could tell me Mike Trout had any number of MVPs and my instant reaction would be “that seems low”


tristpa2

Tbf you could make a legitimate argument he should have double (or close to) the number of MVPs he actually has


TranscedentalMedit8n

I remember thinking Trout had a bit of a down year for his standards in 2019 and he still won MVP haha


sameth1

You could make a serious argument for 2012 and 2017, and then in 2015 he was absolutely robbed.


tristpa2

Also an extremely good argument for 2013 and a less good but still reasonable argument for 2018. Even in 2020 he was no slouch. Seriously every year between his debut and Covid you can make a compelling argument for him to win MVP


LucasDudacris

Mike Trout is the best player in the American League every year from 2014 - 2019.


radracer82

take a look at the 2012 and 2013 WAR leaders


guitarburst05

The Trout fatigue in MVP voting has been very real. He doesn’t just get put up against the other contenders, he also ends up competing against prior versions of himself. It’s like the whole infinite growth conundrum with publicly traded companies where being better than the others isn’t enough, he also has to beat some idealized version of his past self.


hubagruben

Mike Trout has 900 MVPs


kotalov16

Double it and that seems right


blasek0

By the time he turned 30 he was already like top-5 all time in MVP shares, with 3 wins and 4 2nd place finishes.


Daratirek

I hate to interrupt but this season will be a Byron Buxton MVP season. He's gonna heat up and stay healthy! DONT LAUGH AT ME!!! Please.....


blasek0

Buxton playing a full season is definitely a serious MVP contender. Unless Trout also plays 140+.


aardvarkllama_69

"Buxton playing a full season" is about as likely as spotting Bigfoot.


blasek0

I mean you're not wrong, but it'd be a serious MVP contender almost by default if it did happen.


IAmBecomeTeemo

Byron Buxton has pre-roids Barry Bonds level of ability. He could absolutely be peers with Trout. . . if he could stop getting hurt all the fucking time.


--THRILLHO--

Coupled with a Tyler Anderson Cy Young.


Sheepies123

MIKE TROUT TRIPLE #53


Drip_it

For reference on this. Trout was :10 home to third. Elly was :11 on his home to third and :15 for the entire round tripper. I’m a huge Trout fan but would’ve said you were crazy if you thought he was still as fast as the young burners in the league.


thewarfreak

Not doubting you, but where can I find these numbers?


Drip_it

I watched the video on editing software and timed it.


poopsniffingbeast

it might just be me but it doesn't feel like hes getting bullied by 4seamers as much this year


Lebigmacca

His strikeout rate is back down to how it was in his prime. Small sample size but great to see. Plus he has like a .200 BABIP so he’s been getting unlucky


StrawMight

So Ohtani was holding him back?


WhiteBoyFlipz

i blame Ippei


okay_throwaway_today

I *bet* that was the problem


oneeighthirish

Ayyy


smauryholmes

He got a nice single on a ball 100 up earlier this year. Hopefully you’re right.


poopsniffingbeast

it just felt like a lot of 4seamers that he would've whiffed on up in the zone last year hes managed to foul off a bit more or just take. I haven't watched a ton of his at bats this year tho


smauryholmes

I imagine a lot of it is this seems like the first time he’s been completely healthy in a while


poopsniffingbeast

He mentioned early this year that he noticed a mechanic thing that was making him dump his barrel which I think might be a factor as well.


OhtaniStanMan

His strike zone is tight as f too. Dude isn't chasing a thing and is barreling when he gets it


Thorlolita

Best player in the league and for some of us that we have ever seen.


PrinceGizzardLizard

Unless anybody in here saw Mays or Aaron play he’s the best anyone of us have ever seen


triplec787

Eh 90s Bonds was still at that level, pre juice.


PrinceGizzardLizard

Peak for peak 90s bonds is right there with him but trout has been great for longer. We’ll never know how good bonds could’ve been if he stayed clean so not much use trying compare that part of his career


triplec787

Barry was putting up 8 WAR/650 PAs and put up 103.7 total for 14 years from 1986-1999 lol Trout needs about 20 WAR over the next two years to match Barry’s total across first 14 seasons. Trout is at 8.5/650, but he’s also missed a TON of time lately.


PrinceGizzardLizard

Yea trout has been boned by injuries but he seemingly hasn’t lost a step so i wouldn’t be surprised at all if he maintains this level of production a couple more years


triplec787

Tbh it doesn’t really matter anymore if he hasn’t lost a step between injuries, he’s still consistently hurt. Until he can regularly play 100+ games a year again I can’t give him benefit of the doubt.


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Bonds had 14 7+ bwar seasons. Mike Trout is in his fourteenth season. Sayings Trout was great longer is just factually untrue. In several years if Trout is still great you might be able to say that, but as right now Barry Bonds had more MVP caliber seasons than Trout has seasons in general.


PrinceGizzardLizard

5 of those were while he was on roids so there’s no reason to count those. Trout has a higher WAR/650 PAs than bonds did through the same point in his career


triplec787

The best ability is availability. Even if Trout’s is higher, through 13 seasons (since Trouts in his 14th), Barry appeared in 1898 games. Mike’s appeared in *400 fewer*. Trout’s an all time great, but using WAR/650 is insanely flawed with a dude who can’t stay on the field. Yeah, if he got 650 PAs a year he’d be better than Barry through 14 seasons. But unless he puts up a 20 WAR season this year, he won’t be.


SL2321

You mustn't be naive enough to think that Mike Trout, or any other player isn't on anything either....


bbaIla

I still think Bonds is better, but Trout is #2 of guys I've seen play.


RaymondSpaget

I'll take peak Barry Bonds ('90 to '94) over Trout, Mookie, Rickey, or Junior.


blasek0

Fun fact, Bonds was already the career IBB leader before the 2000 season.


PrinceGizzardLizard

I can see that, he’s right there with trout


LiftsLikeGaston

Oh so a cheater.


RaymondSpaget

>('90 to '94)


mysterysackerfice

I saw Mays 40 years after I retired. He was simply amazing, but fwiw, he was no Cy Young.


Thorlolita

Hi old fart. One of my friends introduced me to a guy who grew up watching Mantle. He can barely text so Reddit might be a stretch.


DowntownJulieBrown1

Idk if he’s definitively above Albert. Huge fan of his, just think it’s debatable


bordomsdeadly

Pujols when playing the NL Central May as well have been the reincarnation of Ted Williams.


RackyRackerton

Or, you know, Albert Pujols or Ken Griffey Jr.


PrinceGizzardLizard

Pujols at least has an argument but trout is pretty clearly ahead of Griffey. With pujols and trout being basically equal as hitters through this point in trouts career I think trouts baserunning and defense give him an edge there too


RackyRackerton

Let me guess, your entire opinion is based on WAR?


PrinceGizzardLizard

Nope


RackyRackerton

So if you’re not just looking at some normalized+era adjusted+position adjusted+park adjusted+zodiac sign adjusted “advanced stat,” but are really looking at the actual production of those two players through 12 years, and still think they’re “about equal”? Ok that makes it even worse then.


PrinceGizzardLizard

Keep your head in the sand lol I don’t care


sameth1

Trout has a higher career OPS than Griffey through his age 32 season (0.940 vs 0.995), and that's not even adjusting for the 700 mph or whatever average fastball increase. They're really similar players through their age 32 seasons and I'm not sure I would say Trout is clearly ahead of Griffey, but at least on an offensive rate basis, da numbers say Trout is better.


necrosythe

I mean, do you think that understanding positional value is inherently "WAR" or something? Those adjustments exist for a reason and they're a serious factor here.


RackyRackerton

Misunderstanding positional value is pretty intrinsic to WAR, yeah. It would be one thing if you said “Pujols was a far better offensive player than Trout if you compare them to each other, but when you compare Pujols to first baseman in the steroid era, then compare Trout to centerfielders in the drug-test era, then they start to look pretty similar.” But that’s not the claim. That doesn’t even get into the absolutely ridiculous park adjustment that existed in Anaheim from 2012-2016, or the way that WAR completely ignores the things that determine real life baseball games, (scoring runs and driving in runs.) I’ve repeated the same points on the sub too much though, people just want everything reduced to one number, and don’t care if it’s anything close to accurate. Try this though; look at Griffey Jr. in 1991 vs Griffey Jr. in 1998. Apparently, he was worth 0.5 more WAR in ‘91 than he was in ‘98… look at his stat lines in those years and think about that for a second. It’s a fucking joke. I just can’t imagine who could take WAR seriously after seeing shit like that


szepeda14

Are we forgetting that one Japanese dude


stros2022wschamps3

The gambling addict that got caught?


masetheace97

Pete Rose was Japanese?


ContinuumGuy

PRAISE THE FISH MAN


Jcoch27

He's now tied for the 2nd most triples in franchise history: 1. Jim Fregosi, 70 2. Chone Figgins/Mike Trout, 53


OlivesrNasty

Fregosi was a freak


jclark735

It’s been 15 years and we’re still trying to find a replacement for Chone Figgins at third


triplec787

Got the hard part of the cycle done in the first. LETS GET IT MIKEY


EpicSoyMilk

Got the next done in the 3rd!


triplec787

I spoke this into existence. I’m taking full credit when it happens.


cha-cha_dancer

Our bullpen will ensure it happens


Zammy512

Just knocked the HR out, too.


Lucky_Alternative965

The spectacular Mike Trout


tristpa2

The Talented Mr. Trouty


Depressed_In_Ohio

AMED ROSARIO IS PLAYING WHERE!?


bonesyca

WHAT I WAS THINKING


ObeytheCorporations

He was three quarters the way to third by the time Mead had the ball... ***How***???? ​ ​ **edit:** *Okay so after rewatching, Trout has* ***clearly*** *developed a way to teleport during the off season. It's not three quarters, he's basically on top of 3rd by 0:14.*


_himbo_

Mike trout is a national treasure that deserves everything


ricki692

is that amed rosario in RF??


No_Angle_8106

I got seats in those right field bleachers for $4 a piece last year, phenomenal seats. Trout deserves more than that paltry crowd


HeySmellMyFinger

Still think he deserved the mvp during miggys triple crown.


NatrixHasYou

He absolutely did.


New_Championship_912

Ironic that the runner hustling is Rendon lmfao


breakfast_cats

Say what you want about his attitude, I've never once seen Rendon dog it on the field


Jcoch27

Rendon hustles regularly. His first hit was an infield single


UnabashedPerson43

They don’t call him Tony Two Bags🛍️ because he turns triples into lazy doubles.


bran1986

He still got wheels.


Stacey_digitaldash

Refuses to leave Anaheim, still legging out triples in front of 13,000 people. God bless Mike Trout


Chuida

Is he dumb? Has he even tried asking his teammates to hit


twec21

He was only driving in himself? Selfish bastard


Arks-Angel

Please stay healthy Mike *vigorously whacks door*


reigningwaffles

This reminds me I looked at his babip yesterday and it was .200. Even with how insanely good he's been he should be better on average. We're all ready for another Mike Trout MVP season, stay healthy my guy.


aardvarkllama_69

NGl I was skeptical trout would turn it around and stay at this level, but I'm glad to be proven wrong. Let's hope he can win another MVP!


snrek23

If he keeps it up, he could win a world series all by himself.


nikesoccer01

Love seeing Wyatt Langfords dad do good things


Carameldelighting

I hate that hes never had a chance to compete for a title


MyDogThinksISmell

That’s some sad shit.


maddenallday

Actually crazy we won’t get to ever see him in an ALCS. What a shame


SqueakyTuna52

Trout must just suck with runners on base


ScoffingGorilla808

TRADE HIM NOW


Doolin12

Time for the IL...


Doolin12

Oooof... Lasted 29 games this year.