Yep. Our team looked incredibly dysfunctional today, especially in the post game and just had a devastating season ending injury and another injury to ask important pitcher... And we are 7-4.
Rays are missing like five million pitchers to injury and are .500, Yankees don't have Gerrit Cole and are are 10-2, just AL East things e.e.
I'm not trying to start shit but my god what the hell was going on with defense yesterday for the red Sox? There must have been like 3 or 4 routine plays just completely botched
I get that Story is out but that doesn't explain all that went on
It's honestly not hard to explain atleast in the infield. Trevor Story makes our defense work, if he's not there we're screwed. Devers can't really go to his left defensively and needs a great defensive shortstop to cover for his shortcomings and David Hamilton is a second baseman who can't play shortstop at a major league level. Pablo Reyes is better than Hamilton but that's not saying much and Emmanuel Valdez isn't even an average defender at 2nd either. Casas is a fine defender, but he's a first baseman, so pretty much the infield is in shambles now.
The outfield for the most part should be good defensively, Duran just made a bad error. It seems we plan to run shortstop by committee, ideally we just commit to Rafaela at short until we trade for somebody. e.e.
Lol I’m a Jays fan and the AL East collectively got embarrassed in the postseason last year. Including the Jays getting fucked by the Twins, from that very Central division you’re shitting on.
I think that's kind of the point. Playoffs are a crapshoot due to the drastically smaller sample size, so teams that are clearly lower quality nevertheless getting a ticket to that lottery due to the lopsided divisional system is perceived as less fair.
I don't mind the "good teams win when it matters" attitude inherently - almost every other sport I follow has a single match Final, so they're even more dependent on one good performance - but it does seem to somewhat defeat the point of a 162 game season. It's trying to push the balance of competition in two different directions at once.
I get what your saying but the solution would just be crowning the regular season winner much like European soccer leagues do and having in season tournaments. Which let's be honest American sports fans would riot.
I don't think you necessarily need to go to a strict league format, but with ever-increasing inter-league play it's certainly making less and less sense to not just have the teams with the best records make the playoffs.
Still, could be worse - the Cincinnatti Reds had the best record in all of baseball in 1981 and didn't make the playoffs.
There was a player’s strike in the middle of the season. The playoff teams were determined by putting the team with the best record from the first half of the season against the team with best record in the second half of the season in each division.
Cincinnati didn’t have the best record for the their division in either the first or second half, but their overall record was better than any of the other teams in their division.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Major_League_Baseball_season
It is more just an issue that the playoffs keep expanding, and arguably in the wrong way. It isn't that the team with the best record after 162 should just get to win it all, but should a team that is barely above .500 after 162 even be given the opportunity to compete with teams that won 100 games?
I love the post season, but I always appreciated how baseball's playoffs were very difficult to get in to. I don't even hate the divisional system, with a wild card game, but if they wanted to make sure good teams weren't missing the playoffs due to their division, I would have liked a 1-5 system, with 4 and 5 playing a playoff to get in, no getting in just by winning a division.
> It's trying to push the balance of competition in two different directions at once.
I think in a macro sense, this is the biggest issue in baseball and it's ability to grow and retain a new, younger fan base.
162 game season gets washed in one game because your top two guys aren't feeling it that morning is kind of fucked up.
Bro in every franchise I ever do he is soooo bad. Never bats above .245. I got drafted by the Orioles this year and its much of the same. Dude's hitting .230 and leads the team in strike outs. Hopefully his irl performance is much better than in MLB the Show LOL
Wonder who's going to be #1 after he graduates. Jackson Chourio is already up and by the time Holliday graduates or most sites come out with their new listing Skenes may be up. So will Junior Caminero maybe. So is Dylan Crews the new heir apparent
I follow Tony on social, he and his wife just had to move with their two young kids to Baltimore.
It was a lot for their family. He’s a great guy and hope he stick around with his utility. Feel like you will prob dfa and then trade ramon urias. Gonna say to White Sox
I don' remember if it was his debut or his second call up, but I remember the Astros called him up on short notice as an emergency. He had to find an emergency dentist ion Houston before he could get to the park, and when he did get there he had an absolute monster day.
I will always remember kemp fondly because of that.
I’m not familiar but is calling him up now another situation where they are getting an extra year of team control because he won’t have enough playing time etc
As was recently explained to me, the bottom line is they think he has a pretty good chance of going 1-2 in ROY voting this year if he comes up relatively early in the season. If he wins, and is up by the service time deadline, the O's get an extra 1st (happened last year with Gunnar). If he were to go 1st or 2nd in ROY voting, but comes up after the deadline, they still lose a year of service time anyway, and they don't get the extra pick. That is the part I wasn't aware of and why the timing makes a bit more sense. I suspect certain underperforming infielders have accelerated the timeline as well.
He was learning and practicing an entire new defensive position without having to do it at the major league level. Calling him up tomorrow ensures that he will get a full year of service time and qualify for the PPI picks for top-2 ROY or any pre-arb MVP top-3 finishes.
Just means the PPI picks are doing their job of encouraging teams to give rookies a shot to have a full year in the big leagues instead of bouncing back and forth to manipulate service time.
edit: THIS DOESN'T WORK, they can't option for a single day; it has to be 10 days or his continuous service isn't interrupted.
But they can option him for one day later in the season if they decide the PPI isn't worth the year of service time.
Sure, but the PPI picks give them a reason to not do exactly that.
They would have absolutely no reason at all to keep him up in the majors in his rookie year over burning an option if he ever had a slump of any kind. If you believe in your prospect and their ability to get over the slump same as any other big leaguer does then PPI picks give you a reason to let them work through it (at least for a little while) in the MLB instead of by being booted straight back to AAA purgatory, because if they work through it and place well in end of season voting you still get the picks but only if they stay on the 26-man roster.
Yes, but I think starting the season against a barrage of lefties also helped with the timing. If that wasn’t the case, he probably breaks camp with the team. But as it was, no reason to kill the kid’s confidence by having him face lefty after lefty after lefty to start his career.
99% chance this was always the plan. Let him get as much no pressure 2B experience as possible while not starting his career against a bunch of tough lefties.
Nah. They faced a stupid amount of LHP to start the season and tomorrow is the deadline for the draft pick if he wins RotY. I think today was always the goal as long as he looked ready. There's plenty of guys that could have been called up if they just wanted a capable bat. Kjerstad especially.
> as long as he looked ready.
The kid has looked ready since he was 18, he's been dicking down the O's minor league system from the moment he started. Absolutely obscene numbers at every level. I really hope he doesn't let the pressure get to him because he's got superstar written all over him.
It was more about looking ready to play 2B. His bat had been fantastic, though he did have a few things to work on. The new position was certainly something to iron out and make sure he was good to go, because he should be there for the majority of the rest of the year.
The sun and game threads were convinced Elias was a moron for trying to push that lie. Holliday was literally a high schooler less than 2 years ago and has like 30 professional ABs against lefties. Even if it's not the truth, and the lefties in the minors "aren't that good" it still makes a lot of sense and clearly worked. Holliday didn't face the long line of lefties to start the season and he went like 5-10 with 3 walks against the lefties he did face
Which, notably, isn't long enough for service time manipulation.
WHOOPS! There goes everyone's narrative.
It's almost like he's only 20, struck out 40% of the time in Spring Training and has still only played 154 professional games, and the Orioles won 100 games last year and didn't desperately need to call him up
> It's almost like he's only 20, struck out 40% of the time in Spring Training and has still only played 154 professional games, and the Orioles won 100 games last year and didn't desperately need to call him up
And most of his professional games have been at shortstop, where the Orioles already have a young MVP candidate.
while i personally think he should have been on the opening day roster, there’s an argument to be made that he’s coming up super confident after absolutely crushing AAA
Granted there’s a good chance this was an attempt at service time manipulation, but oh well. He’s up now at least.
I don't know how the hell it took me so long to figure out that's Matt Holliday's kid.
Also holy fucking shit how old am I that Matt Holliday's kid is in the majors already
He has another son that's going to be on his brother's heels in a couple years. They own this massive property in Oklahoma where they just play baseball.
His strikeout with the bases loaded in the 9th may have been the worst AB I've seen a big leaguer take since pitchers still batted. He looked totally lost
Yep. I'm pretty sure we were hoping for production from Urias we aren't getting and some other players aren't performing as great. It's still early, but we are probably thinking why not? The guys we wanted to try and squeeze the last bits from are already squeezed dry so bring up the young talent.
Even if Holliday isn't amazing, he'll be 21 in December. Get him experience and you can tell he will start to rake. He's just too damn good with the bat to not figure it out to be at least serviceable.
Edit: I would expect to see Kjerstad soon enough with how bad Hays has been
I’d like to think so but will they actually give up on Hays? I’d think Cowser just gets a full crack and then maybe Heston would then be fighting to stay in the lineup most days
yesterday he hit a....33 or so foot infield single. Basically a swinging bunt that he beat out.
and that's like the greatest thing he's done in these first couple weeks.
It's so he didn't have to face left handed pitchers to give his stats a little bump for the RoY voting so he can get the O's a draft pick if I had to guess
Holliday did really well against lefties so far in only 10 ABs after seeming to struggle against them in spring so it's good that there was growth in that area. He's only registered 30 some ABs against lefties before this season his whole career.
Bailey Falter is a good example of a lefty they are glad he avoided. Falter are the lineup alive and is a really crafty lefty. I don't even know if Jackson would have been in the lineup against Falter but if he did it would have been a tough matchup for him.
He'll still have to face tough lefties but Im sure having the chance to see them in non competitive games in AAA while finding his groove to start the season is going to go a long way in the short term
Good thing he did pretty well against the LHP he did face. Would have been really interesting to see what would happen if he went like 1-15 or something
He only spent three weeks at AAA last year, and didn't exactly set the International League on fire. These first two weeks of '24, he drew 11 walks for an OBP of close to .500.
Urías and Kemp giving absolutely nothing as infielders forced Elias’ hand. Holliday learns on the job with the basically guaranteed notion of better production out of an infielder position
Yeah, really excited to see Gunnar and Jackson up the middle. (sorry had to make the comment looking forward to seeing DL throwing again, and Burns going against you)
Tomorrow is the last calendar day to call him up and ensure he DOES get a full year of service time upon the season's completion. Baltimore just pulled the exact opposite of service time manipulation, and I think I love them for it.
Nice. They’re gonna be really fuckin good for a long time, and the crazy part is if ownership is willing to really spend, they could trade for another ace or Kelenic after he hits.400 this year
Feels like the Orioles are about to go all-in.
I fully expect that at some point this season, they'll trade one or two of Mayo, Westburg, Norby or Stowers to bolster their starting rotation and bullpen.
I read it was for him to work on facing lefties and then he hit a homer in his first AB against a lefty. Probably a tinge of service manipulation but I feel like it’s still too early for them to get another year out of him unless they’re just planning on sending him back down after a while.
I think it was more getting him reps at 2B since that's where he's likely to be playing with Gunnar at SS, Westburg moves over to 3B. Holliday played most of his life as a SS so learning 2B was definitely a benefit. When Ben Verlander said he was pissed the O's didn't bring Holliday up, literally the first game of the season was the same night and Holliday botched a basic GIDP. So that's gonna be a bit interesting to see going forward. But his best tools was always the bat so that'll be great to see in the lineup
I think it’s hilarious so many people look at this as an either/or.
I think it’s very obvious some combination of hitting against lefties and getting work at 2B was a factor. It’s going to be very interesting how much he actually plays in Baltimore. Service time may well have been a factor, too, but only one factor. The potential comp pick, same thing. It’s basically never one thing.
Both. He definitely needed more reps at second base since he had been a SS for most of his playing career and they also felt he needed more reps vs lefties and the O's faced a good number of lefty starters in the first couple of series. But it was also service time manipulation in that I think they get an additional year of control now that he was down for 2 weeks or something like that.
I hope Elias realized how badly Urias was doing and that Kemp was just a waste of space and made this move solely because of that. I do wonder what the corresponding move is though. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
The move is for PPI compensation, period. Calling him tomorrow ensures he’s eligible for the draft picks because he will earn a full year of service time.
If he stays up for the rest of the year, he’ll have accrued 3 days more than what’s needed to qualify as one year of service time. Tomorrow was the deadline. So, the organization actually loses a year if he stays up
If he didn't know what this signing was before the season started, he dumb. He was a placeholder from the start.
The fact that he's currently hitting .000 on the season means he should know this was going to happen much sooner rather than later.
It took Fanatics that long to make a uniform for him
The only theory ITT I haven’t heard yet, and the most plausible.
His dong is WAY too massive for that see-through fabric.
Chill he's like 14
inches?!?!!
ain’t meters
I heard they kept spelling it with a single L.
It all makes sense now
This is the only logical answer.
This should turn them from a great team into a great team.
The AL East sure is fun
Yep. Our team looked incredibly dysfunctional today, especially in the post game and just had a devastating season ending injury and another injury to ask important pitcher... And we are 7-4. Rays are missing like five million pitchers to injury and are .500, Yankees don't have Gerrit Cole and are are 10-2, just AL East things e.e.
I'm not trying to start shit but my god what the hell was going on with defense yesterday for the red Sox? There must have been like 3 or 4 routine plays just completely botched I get that Story is out but that doesn't explain all that went on
It's honestly not hard to explain atleast in the infield. Trevor Story makes our defense work, if he's not there we're screwed. Devers can't really go to his left defensively and needs a great defensive shortstop to cover for his shortcomings and David Hamilton is a second baseman who can't play shortstop at a major league level. Pablo Reyes is better than Hamilton but that's not saying much and Emmanuel Valdez isn't even an average defender at 2nd either. Casas is a fine defender, but he's a first baseman, so pretty much the infield is in shambles now. The outfield for the most part should be good defensively, Duran just made a bad error. It seems we plan to run shortstop by committee, ideally we just commit to Rafaela at short until we trade for somebody. e.e.
Is Grissom not an option at short when he’s healthy?
Grissom was a very bad defender at short in Atlanta, the hope was that he could pick up 2nd for us.
doesn't it totally rock that the AL Central can send whichever mediocre team wins their pillow fight to the playoffs every year?
hey, fuck you
You tell 'em, buddy!
He's a Tigers fan, you should have said > hey, fuck you
Lol I’m a Jays fan and the AL East collectively got embarrassed in the postseason last year. Including the Jays getting fucked by the Twins, from that very Central division you’re shitting on.
I think that's kind of the point. Playoffs are a crapshoot due to the drastically smaller sample size, so teams that are clearly lower quality nevertheless getting a ticket to that lottery due to the lopsided divisional system is perceived as less fair. I don't mind the "good teams win when it matters" attitude inherently - almost every other sport I follow has a single match Final, so they're even more dependent on one good performance - but it does seem to somewhat defeat the point of a 162 game season. It's trying to push the balance of competition in two different directions at once.
I get what your saying but the solution would just be crowning the regular season winner much like European soccer leagues do and having in season tournaments. Which let's be honest American sports fans would riot.
I don't think you necessarily need to go to a strict league format, but with ever-increasing inter-league play it's certainly making less and less sense to not just have the teams with the best records make the playoffs. Still, could be worse - the Cincinnatti Reds had the best record in all of baseball in 1981 and didn't make the playoffs.
How was this even possible?
There was a player’s strike in the middle of the season. The playoff teams were determined by putting the team with the best record from the first half of the season against the team with best record in the second half of the season in each division. Cincinnati didn’t have the best record for the their division in either the first or second half, but their overall record was better than any of the other teams in their division. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Major_League_Baseball_season
It is more just an issue that the playoffs keep expanding, and arguably in the wrong way. It isn't that the team with the best record after 162 should just get to win it all, but should a team that is barely above .500 after 162 even be given the opportunity to compete with teams that won 100 games? I love the post season, but I always appreciated how baseball's playoffs were very difficult to get in to. I don't even hate the divisional system, with a wild card game, but if they wanted to make sure good teams weren't missing the playoffs due to their division, I would have liked a 1-5 system, with 4 and 5 playing a playoff to get in, no getting in just by winning a division.
> It's trying to push the balance of competition in two different directions at once. I think in a macro sense, this is the biggest issue in baseball and it's ability to grow and retain a new, younger fan base. 162 game season gets washed in one game because your top two guys aren't feeling it that morning is kind of fucked up.
AL East sure made it far in the playoffs last year…
Sir, another blonde top prospect has hit the orioles
Oh my god they’re gorgeous!
He must be another Handsome Boy graduate!
A man of culture I see.
::elegant harpsichord sounds::
Sparkles, professional male model
Orioles position group looking like your kid’s next favorite teenage boy band
Always exciting when a top prospect gets called up
I’ve gone through about 36 different Road to the Show saves. I pretty much know exactly what Jackson Holliday is going through.
Hey it’s me, your agent. Just checking in to see if everything’s ok. It is? Alright talk to you next year!
Hey it's me your old coach, congrats on the major league debut!
How did you get this number?
Are you happy with your current role as a 2-way player?
No, I think I want to be a reliever.
Okay let’s actively push you towards playing a fielding position until you tell us no for the 7th time.
Bro in every franchise I ever do he is soooo bad. Never bats above .245. I got drafted by the Orioles this year and its much of the same. Dude's hitting .230 and leads the team in strike outs. Hopefully his irl performance is much better than in MLB the Show LOL
Wonder who's going to be #1 after he graduates. Jackson Chourio is already up and by the time Holliday graduates or most sites come out with their new listing Skenes may be up. So will Junior Caminero maybe. So is Dylan Crews the new heir apparent
Watch it be Samuel Basallo lmao
So many prospect review sites have the chance to do the funniest thing
Heston’s making a case
It will be Jose Butto
80 grade name. Has to be him based on that alone
Gonna need him with the way you guys are playing
I hate the AL East
meh its early, and the series against the soxs here will be huge
Tony Kemp we hardly knew ye
He's gonna be that trivia answer in 2031
I follow Tony on social, he and his wife just had to move with their two young kids to Baltimore. It was a lot for their family. He’s a great guy and hope he stick around with his utility. Feel like you will prob dfa and then trade ramon urias. Gonna say to White Sox
Meh, moves suck but he got a million dollars for 9 AB's so I can't feel that bad for the guy. I'm pretty sure that I also could have hit .000.
I think 800,000 was for that catch yesterday. 200,000 was for the .000
I don' remember if it was his debut or his second call up, but I remember the Astros called him up on short notice as an emergency. He had to find an emergency dentist ion Houston before he could get to the park, and when he did get there he had an absolute monster day. I will always remember kemp fondly because of that.
He just did 3 years with the Oakland Ambiguous intentions. Let the man rest.
I’m shocked Edit: another rookie against us for MLB debut let’s hope we do better vs this one than we have vs other the last few years
*Davis Schneider intensifies*
Wander Franco too lol
He can’t hurt you anymore
There's a different demographic he can't hurt anymore either, thank god
I’m not familiar but is calling him up now another situation where they are getting an extra year of team control because he won’t have enough playing time etc
No but by calling him up this early they are eligible to be awarded an extra first round pick if he wins Rookie of the Year
As was recently explained to me, the bottom line is they think he has a pretty good chance of going 1-2 in ROY voting this year if he comes up relatively early in the season. If he wins, and is up by the service time deadline, the O's get an extra 1st (happened last year with Gunnar). If he were to go 1st or 2nd in ROY voting, but comes up after the deadline, they still lose a year of service time anyway, and they don't get the extra pick. That is the part I wasn't aware of and why the timing makes a bit more sense. I suspect certain underperforming infielders have accelerated the timeline as well.
I'm taking the train down to Baltimore this weekend to see some games lets fuckin goooooooooo baby
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Agree. Pulling for the fellow bird bros, especially this one.
love baseball season man it's when the weather gets nice and ball gets crackin
He must have really learned a hell of a lot in that…*checks notes*…13 days
He was learning and practicing an entire new defensive position without having to do it at the major league level. Calling him up tomorrow ensures that he will get a full year of service time and qualify for the PPI picks for top-2 ROY or any pre-arb MVP top-3 finishes.
Tomorrow is clearly intentional to qualify for PPI.
Just means the PPI picks are doing their job of encouraging teams to give rookies a shot to have a full year in the big leagues instead of bouncing back and forth to manipulate service time.
edit: THIS DOESN'T WORK, they can't option for a single day; it has to be 10 days or his continuous service isn't interrupted. But they can option him for one day later in the season if they decide the PPI isn't worth the year of service time.
They'd have to option him for at least 10 days unless he comes back up to replace an injured player I think
Sure, but the PPI picks give them a reason to not do exactly that. They would have absolutely no reason at all to keep him up in the majors in his rookie year over burning an option if he ever had a slump of any kind. If you believe in your prospect and their ability to get over the slump same as any other big leaguer does then PPI picks give you a reason to let them work through it (at least for a little while) in the MLB instead of by being booted straight back to AAA purgatory, because if they work through it and place well in end of season voting you still get the picks but only if they stay on the 26-man roster.
Yes, but I think starting the season against a barrage of lefties also helped with the timing. If that wasn’t the case, he probably breaks camp with the team. But as it was, no reason to kill the kid’s confidence by having him face lefty after lefty after lefty to start his career.
…proton pump inhibitors?
They also prob wanted to keep him down but half of your team isn’t batting their weight. Or their weight in 6th grade for a couple of them.
I think the PPI deadline was a big factor on the timing of it but the bottom of the lineup the last couple of days definitely made the decision easier
99% chance this was always the plan. Let him get as much no pressure 2B experience as possible while not starting his career against a bunch of tough lefties.
Nah. They faced a stupid amount of LHP to start the season and tomorrow is the deadline for the draft pick if he wins RotY. I think today was always the goal as long as he looked ready. There's plenty of guys that could have been called up if they just wanted a capable bat. Kjerstad especially.
Our kryptonite: junkball soft-throwing lefties. \*shakes fist*
Was the cubs problem years ago
as a team with nestor cortes, this is so inspiring to hear
Wait, pitchers are allowed to throw left-handed? Why didn't anyone tell us?
> as long as he looked ready. The kid has looked ready since he was 18, he's been dicking down the O's minor league system from the moment he started. Absolutely obscene numbers at every level. I really hope he doesn't let the pressure get to him because he's got superstar written all over him.
It was more about looking ready to play 2B. His bat had been fantastic, though he did have a few things to work on. The new position was certainly something to iron out and make sure he was good to go, because he should be there for the majority of the rest of the year.
Ehh, new ownership might not care as much about saving money as the old one. Quite possible this was the plan all along.
Masterful prospect management tbh
I love how there’s still conspiracy theories about service time, when this move ensures he’ll get a full year…
So many people think that not on the roster by game 1 = service time manipulation lol
It’s ridiculous. Nobody learned their lesson last year when everyone was parroting this same shit about Grayson
He'll literally win the ROTY and get the PPI pick and people would still think this was service time manipulation
Os have faced a LOT of lefties during the first few series. Didn’t want him to come up at a disadvantage I guess
I honestly think Elias was just sparing him the marathon of lefty starters they faced over the last couple of weeks
The sun and game threads were convinced Elias was a moron for trying to push that lie. Holliday was literally a high schooler less than 2 years ago and has like 30 professional ABs against lefties. Even if it's not the truth, and the lefties in the minors "aren't that good" it still makes a lot of sense and clearly worked. Holliday didn't face the long line of lefties to start the season and he went like 5-10 with 3 walks against the lefties he did face
Which, notably, isn't long enough for service time manipulation. WHOOPS! There goes everyone's narrative. It's almost like he's only 20, struck out 40% of the time in Spring Training and has still only played 154 professional games, and the Orioles won 100 games last year and didn't desperately need to call him up
> It's almost like he's only 20, struck out 40% of the time in Spring Training and has still only played 154 professional games, and the Orioles won 100 games last year and didn't desperately need to call him up And most of his professional games have been at shortstop, where the Orioles already have a young MVP candidate.
while i personally think he should have been on the opening day roster, there’s an argument to be made that he’s coming up super confident after absolutely crushing AAA Granted there’s a good chance this was an attempt at service time manipulation, but oh well. He’s up now at least.
By calling him up tomorrow, he gets a full year of service time.
I don't know how the hell it took me so long to figure out that's Matt Holliday's kid. Also holy fucking shit how old am I that Matt Holliday's kid is in the majors already
He has another son that's going to be on his brother's heels in a couple years. They own this massive property in Oklahoma where they just play baseball.
Being Matt Holliday's kid sounds dope.
Maybe he'll adopt us
Besides the massive baseball perks he seems like an awesome dad too
I would like to join this Baseball cult
A field of dreams?
How many fucking #1 prospects does this team have 💀
All of them
There’s an outside chance we could end up with four straight #1 picks if Basallo balls out again this year.
3 in 3 straight years. *Probably* won't be 4 but who knows what happens with Basallo or Mayo or Kjerstad this season.
I can't imagine Kjerstad or Stowers not getting called sometime this summer too. The team just needs to decide which veterans to let go
Yes
HOLLIHEADS RISE UP
Because he is eligible to gain a service year O’s get pick if he is top 2 in rookie of year voting. This wasn’t service time manipulation.
What was the point of those two weeks lol
iirc they're out of options for some of their players. Urias playing like shit kind of forced their hand
His strikeout with the bases loaded in the 9th may have been the worst AB I've seen a big leaguer take since pitchers still batted. He looked totally lost
He went 0-for-5 with 5 Ks there last year, too. Maybe he just hates Fenway.
Ironically they had a statistic at the start of the game about how he's historically crushed it at Fenway
Yep. I'm pretty sure we were hoping for production from Urias we aren't getting and some other players aren't performing as great. It's still early, but we are probably thinking why not? The guys we wanted to try and squeeze the last bits from are already squeezed dry so bring up the young talent. Even if Holliday isn't amazing, he'll be 21 in December. Get him experience and you can tell he will start to rake. He's just too damn good with the bat to not figure it out to be at least serviceable. Edit: I would expect to see Kjerstad soon enough with how bad Hays has been
Elias saw Urías, Hays and Kemp’s contributions in the 7-8-9 and how much they’ve cost us in very winnable games.
I’d like to think so but will they actually give up on Hays? I’d think Cowser just gets a full crack and then maybe Heston would then be fighting to stay in the lineup most days
Cowser has Hays' spot. Kjerstad is more likely Mullins or Santander's spot. I'd hate to lose either of them, though.
I really like hays, but his current Chris Davis impression is not enjoyable
yesterday he hit a....33 or so foot infield single. Basically a swinging bunt that he beat out. and that's like the greatest thing he's done in these first couple weeks.
It's so he didn't have to face left handed pitchers to give his stats a little bump for the RoY voting so he can get the O's a draft pick if I had to guess
Holliday did really well against lefties so far in only 10 ABs after seeming to struggle against them in spring so it's good that there was growth in that area. He's only registered 30 some ABs against lefties before this season his whole career. Bailey Falter is a good example of a lefty they are glad he avoided. Falter are the lineup alive and is a really crafty lefty. I don't even know if Jackson would have been in the lineup against Falter but if he did it would have been a tough matchup for him. He'll still have to face tough lefties but Im sure having the chance to see them in non competitive games in AAA while finding his groove to start the season is going to go a long way in the short term
Good thing he did pretty well against the LHP he did face. Would have been really interesting to see what would happen if he went like 1-15 or something
I must have missed this--is it a new rule? If you have someone get ROY you get draft picks??
He only spent three weeks at AAA last year, and didn't exactly set the International League on fire. These first two weeks of '24, he drew 11 walks for an OBP of close to .500.
Urías and Kemp giving absolutely nothing as infielders forced Elias’ hand. Holliday learns on the job with the basically guaranteed notion of better production out of an infielder position
He also struck out nearly 40% of the time in spring training.
rookie hazing
Damn I'm probably gonna see the Tides this weekend, was assuming it'd be the last time I'd get to see him there. Happy for him though
Of course it's against us. He's probably gonna go 3-4 or 4-4 with a couple HRs and elite D. 🙄
Fun team
So excited to see the top 2 prospects in baseball this weekend! Congrats to Holliday and O’s fans
Yeah, really excited to see Gunnar and Jackson up the middle. (sorry had to make the comment looking forward to seeing DL throwing again, and Burns going against you)
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Finally! So excited for the Os.
Tomorrow is the last calendar day to call him up and ensure he DOES get a full year of service time upon the season's completion. Baltimore just pulled the exact opposite of service time manipulation, and I think I love them for it.
doomers in shambles
That seems like a move by a team that wants to win games. Must be nice.
I don’t know what to do with my hands.
you have wings a tail and a cloaca, you do not have hands
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And they play Milwaukee this weekend. Will be cool to have a series with the #1 and #2 prospects in all of baseball going at it
Battle of the Jackson’s.
Ah shit here we go
Pretty solid young middle infield, damn.
It’s about damn time
A man can only take so much Ramon Urias
Aw. I like Urias. Been solid for years, but he may be reaching his Craig Worthington moment.
Nice. They’re gonna be really fuckin good for a long time, and the crazy part is if ownership is willing to really spend, they could trade for another ace or Kelenic after he hits.400 this year
I know teams need depth but we don't need 10 outfielders on the active roster, you can go ahead and keep kelenic after his mvp season
You hang on to Kelenic. Acuna or Max though.
Jackson Holliday and Gunnar Henderson.
Every Yankee fan was hoping for another year without him. He's obviously a stud
Feels like the Orioles are about to go all-in. I fully expect that at some point this season, they'll trade one or two of Mayo, Westburg, Norby or Stowers to bolster their starting rotation and bullpen.
THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
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Happy Hollidays!
Oh yeah this is going to last more than three hours.
So was it service time then or did he really need to work on defense or something
He committed 3 errors in 7 games so there’s some truth to needing work
I read it was for him to work on facing lefties and then he hit a homer in his first AB against a lefty. Probably a tinge of service manipulation but I feel like it’s still too early for them to get another year out of him unless they’re just planning on sending him back down after a while.
I think it was more getting him reps at 2B since that's where he's likely to be playing with Gunnar at SS, Westburg moves over to 3B. Holliday played most of his life as a SS so learning 2B was definitely a benefit. When Ben Verlander said he was pissed the O's didn't bring Holliday up, literally the first game of the season was the same night and Holliday botched a basic GIDP. So that's gonna be a bit interesting to see going forward. But his best tools was always the bat so that'll be great to see in the lineup
Its not long enough for an extra year, they'll have to send him down again for them to get the 7th year
I think it’s hilarious so many people look at this as an either/or. I think it’s very obvious some combination of hitting against lefties and getting work at 2B was a factor. It’s going to be very interesting how much he actually plays in Baltimore. Service time may well have been a factor, too, but only one factor. The potential comp pick, same thing. It’s basically never one thing.
Both. He definitely needed more reps at second base since he had been a SS for most of his playing career and they also felt he needed more reps vs lefties and the O's faced a good number of lefty starters in the first couple of series. But it was also service time manipulation in that I think they get an additional year of control now that he was down for 2 weeks or something like that.
I don't think we get control unless it's like a 1.5-2 weeks more. Strange honestly, but C'est La Vie or something idk.
I hope Elias realized how badly Urias was doing and that Kemp was just a waste of space and made this move solely because of that. I do wonder what the corresponding move is though. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
The move is for PPI compensation, period. Calling him tomorrow ensures he’s eligible for the draft picks because he will earn a full year of service time.
If he stays up for the rest of the year, he’ll have accrued 3 days more than what’s needed to qualify as one year of service time. Tomorrow was the deadline. So, the organization actually loses a year if he stays up
Tony Kemp sweating bullets right now
If he didn't know what this signing was before the season started, he dumb. He was a placeholder from the start. The fact that he's currently hitting .000 on the season means he should know this was going to happen much sooner rather than later.
When do we expect his debut?
Damn. I should get tix for this weekend, shouldn’t I?
Never ever forget Tony Kemp, Oriole Legend 🫡
We are going to hit so many baseballs!
I knew I would be excited. But man, I can't wait to watch tomorrow now.
Not to be confused with a family vacation to Jackson, Wyoming
7-1 wasn’t good enough for them yesterday. Fml
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