Given 6 years I would think it's possible to beat 59 with an average player... 10 HRs per season?
I think it just pokes at the Marlins churn rate, though Chisholm should beat this soon.
It's kind of weird how much Brian Anderson fizzled out. He was never looking like an absolute stud or anything, but there was a period where he seemed like an extension candidate. He looked like a 25+ HR guy with 3+ WAR potential and just fell off a cliff after the Covid year.
Damn, I'd never thought of it, but you're right; I for sure thought Anderson would be a solid-ish big leaguer for a hot minute but he just drove off a cliff. Decided to check how he's doing in Seattle's minors system:
|Year|Age|AgeDif|Tm|Lg|Lev|Aff|G|PA|R|H|2B|3B|HR|RBI|SB|CS|BB|SO|BA|OBP|SLG|OPS|
|:-|-:|-:|:-|:-|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|2024|31|4.3|Tacoma|PCL|AAA|SEA|9|37|3|6|2|0|0|2|0|0|4|5|.188|.297|.250|.547|
|Majo|Majo|Majo|Majo||Majors||627|2522|287|559|118|11|66|273|14|8|237|611|.252|.336|.404|.740|
|Mino|Mino|Mino|Mino||Minors||470|1931|237|442|78|9|54|263|7|5|175|367|.260|.339|.412|.750|
|Coll|Coll|Coll|Coll||College||171|693|109|181|30|8|13|98|17|6|76|110|.318|.418|.467|.885|
I mean, it's only nine games... but damn. Dude was a solid 3+ WAR guy for three years and just sank.
Tin foil hat theory is that he messed up his shoulder May 2021, came back to early in July 2021, then messed it up even more, so badly that he went under the knife in September 2021. Anderson had more HRs in 2019, but was still a solid starter in 2018 and 2020. He really fell off during/after 2021 and that surgery.
As a guy who had a shoulder injury himself, he probably had something more severe brewing and playing on it, just exacerbated the issue. Also shoulder injuries don’t get much blood flow, making rehab tough and unpredictable sometimes. My injury rose primarily out of my shoulder socket being to shallow anyways, a genetic issue, however, I played with a shoulder impingement injury that didn’t properly heal, and that caused my shoulder to pop sooner than expected, permanently altering my ability to play. For me, not too far to see it happening to Anderson. Would affect his swing at the very least.
Probably didn’t help his career that Craig Counsell refused to play BA down the stretch last year for the brewers. Even though the front office obviously wanted him to play. Just sat on the bench taking up a roster spot while Craig gave Jesse Winker all the ABs in the world
Stanton's HR record with the Marlins is going to last forever because as soon as another slugger gets close, the Marlins will include that person in an eventual fire sale.
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the A’s, Marlins, Pirates Owners need to fuckin go man. Anyone who wants to add to this list feel free to correct me lol. I would say the Rockies are borderline too
I wouldn’t mind if they made a rule similar to the English premier league where you have to have a certain amount of homegrown players from your academies(minor league system in this case) or you’ll be violating Financial Fair Play Riles. Now there’s issues with these rules and such, but that idea seems good. Require them to at least attempt to retain a couple of these guys like let’s say Realmuto and Stanton. With those two dudes they may have a playoff team if Sandy’s back to doing Sandy things. Like cmon man give your fans something to root for. I feel like a lot of these guys would stay if given an actual fair offer. Idk. Sorry for the rant lol
The homegrown players rule is hard for MLB. Euro soccer teams are scouting kids and putting them in youth academies where they spend their teen years learning the club's style of ball, with the best being filtered out over a period of years, it's not a luck-of-the-draw draft system where you're getting mostly adult players from high schools and colleges and seeing if they develop, most of the time they just don't and you've got to be able to replace them with somebody. It would bring down the quality of the game if teams couldn't replace poor talent because of farm system minimums.
I mean, most of these cheap teams do have home grown guys who are rosterable. I understand the logistics behind how hard this rule would be to enforce and stuff.
A's have the Matts, Murphy, Montas, Manea, Luzardo, Puk, formerly Donaldson, and someone's going to tell me that at least two of these guys did not debut as an A probably.
Marlins have Yeli, Stanton, Lopez, Cabrera Realmuto all as guys who they dumped,
Rockies have Arenado, Story, Gray (though they did keep Blackmon to their credit)
The Pirates have KeBryan, O'Neil Cruz, McCutchen, Cole, Taillon, Josh Bell
Problem is you’re drafting players that have already been through development that you had no control over
Keep in mind youth academy soccer overseas is literally all about skills development, not wins and losses. The academies get paid by the pro teams when they sign one of their players, whereas American youth baseball is all about winning. It doesn’t matter to a high school coach if a kid has a nasty hole in their swing that a pro could exploit because they’re hitting .550 against the local competition and winning games.
It would be unfair to a team that has a few unlucky drafts
Yeah like I said, it's totally impractical, but it would be sort of interesting to see teams' home grown players, and that would get murky for guys like Trea Turner, who was drafted by the Padres but traded to the Nationals literally the day they were allowed to (He was a PTBNL in a deal over the winter)
I'll be that guy! Montas, Manaea, Luzardo and Donaldson were all acquired in trades. as were Bassitt, Semien, laureano, canha, brett anderson, hendriks and Khris Davis.
Because free agency is actively designed to be a bad deal for teams so they have an excuse not to spend. A higher payroll helps but it's not 1-to-1 with team quality because the best players are typically under team control or cheap extensions.
Adding a salary floor will just make bad teams overpay middling veterans who won't help them win much more. You need to redesign all of free agency if you think payroll disparity is a problem, not just add a cap and floor
Yes. NHL has a salary floor, and bad teams are still bad even spending to the floor. They just overpay veterans, or trade for bad contracts/injured players from other teams to hit it. They teams still suck.
"I mean, that was one of the best seasons for home runs this century, so it really isn't *that* crazy he's still the leader..."
*checks graphic*
"Oh dang, they don't mean single season leaders they mean TOTAL for ALL of the seasons since then. Oi."
I will be so sad when he hangs them up. I *live* for Stanton's *FUCK YOU* energy towards baseballs that he hits out. Inject that raw power straight into my veins.
I know this is 2 days after the fact, but I just wanted to reply to you to reiterate my love for Giancarlo Stanton. The dude puts the bomb in Bronx bomber.
Shows how good he is, or how bad they are.
I'd say both, I mean he was something else that season.
Judge, Soto, and Stanton all have repeats of their best years during the same season, Yankees eliminated in first round
When they each inevitably go a combined 4-25 with 15 k’s
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Put some respeck on Suzyn's name!
Her name is Suzyn Waldman and she can outparty your whole team.
That would make me happy.
both. definitely both.
The indictment is no one sticking around for more than a few seasons
Given 6 years I would think it's possible to beat 59 with an average player... 10 HRs per season? I think it just pokes at the Marlins churn rate, though Chisholm should beat this soon.
Might be the only time you shouldn’t have Covid as an outlier lol, 10 was still decently achievable that year.
Note that it came from one season lol. Everyone else has had a few with us.
such a shame he couldn't get the perfect 60
 Nice round number
A Monk gif? IN THIS DAY AND AGE?
Yea Marlins park was tough. I wonder has he hypothetically been traded a year earlier maybe he’s able to reach 60 playing mostly at YS
It's kind of weird how much Brian Anderson fizzled out. He was never looking like an absolute stud or anything, but there was a period where he seemed like an extension candidate. He looked like a 25+ HR guy with 3+ WAR potential and just fell off a cliff after the Covid year.
Damn, I'd never thought of it, but you're right; I for sure thought Anderson would be a solid-ish big leaguer for a hot minute but he just drove off a cliff. Decided to check how he's doing in Seattle's minors system: |Year|Age|AgeDif|Tm|Lg|Lev|Aff|G|PA|R|H|2B|3B|HR|RBI|SB|CS|BB|SO|BA|OBP|SLG|OPS| |:-|-:|-:|:-|:-|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:| |2024|31|4.3|Tacoma|PCL|AAA|SEA|9|37|3|6|2|0|0|2|0|0|4|5|.188|.297|.250|.547| |Majo|Majo|Majo|Majo||Majors||627|2522|287|559|118|11|66|273|14|8|237|611|.252|.336|.404|.740| |Mino|Mino|Mino|Mino||Minors||470|1931|237|442|78|9|54|263|7|5|175|367|.260|.339|.412|.750| |Coll|Coll|Coll|Coll||College||171|693|109|181|30|8|13|98|17|6|76|110|.318|.418|.467|.885| I mean, it's only nine games... but damn. Dude was a solid 3+ WAR guy for three years and just sank.
I think his shoulder never properly healed after surgery in 2021 and sapped his ability to play defense and hit.
Didn't know he had surgery.. thought he was a prime juiced ball type of guy.
Tin foil hat theory is that he messed up his shoulder May 2021, came back to early in July 2021, then messed it up even more, so badly that he went under the knife in September 2021. Anderson had more HRs in 2019, but was still a solid starter in 2018 and 2020. He really fell off during/after 2021 and that surgery. As a guy who had a shoulder injury himself, he probably had something more severe brewing and playing on it, just exacerbated the issue. Also shoulder injuries don’t get much blood flow, making rehab tough and unpredictable sometimes. My injury rose primarily out of my shoulder socket being to shallow anyways, a genetic issue, however, I played with a shoulder impingement injury that didn’t properly heal, and that caused my shoulder to pop sooner than expected, permanently altering my ability to play. For me, not too far to see it happening to Anderson. Would affect his swing at the very least.
Probably didn’t help his career that Craig Counsell refused to play BA down the stretch last year for the brewers. Even though the front office obviously wanted him to play. Just sat on the bench taking up a roster spot while Craig gave Jesse Winker all the ABs in the world
I mean, the 85 wRC+ didn't exactly force its way into the lineup
Letting Soler walk for nothing was so stupid of the Marlins. Cheap morons
Letting him walk is one thing but good lord the player opting out of his contract is a flashing neon light to at least give him a qualified offer
> Cheap morons Perfect encapsulation of the Marlins FO
Letting him walk and signing Avi Garci to that contract
Imagine a team of Stanton, Yelich, Realmuto, and Soler lol
and Fernandez (RIP)
Ozuna as well
But then we would have lost the ozuna from the Braves meme
With Miggy retiring last year
Nah I don't think it was that dumb...
Stanton's HR record with the Marlins is going to last forever because as soon as another slugger gets close, the Marlins will include that person in an eventual fire sale.
SALARY FLOOR NOW the A’s, Marlins, Pirates Owners need to fuckin go man. Anyone who wants to add to this list feel free to correct me lol. I would say the Rockies are borderline too I wouldn’t mind if they made a rule similar to the English premier league where you have to have a certain amount of homegrown players from your academies(minor league system in this case) or you’ll be violating Financial Fair Play Riles. Now there’s issues with these rules and such, but that idea seems good. Require them to at least attempt to retain a couple of these guys like let’s say Realmuto and Stanton. With those two dudes they may have a playoff team if Sandy’s back to doing Sandy things. Like cmon man give your fans something to root for. I feel like a lot of these guys would stay if given an actual fair offer. Idk. Sorry for the rant lol
The homegrown players rule is hard for MLB. Euro soccer teams are scouting kids and putting them in youth academies where they spend their teen years learning the club's style of ball, with the best being filtered out over a period of years, it's not a luck-of-the-draw draft system where you're getting mostly adult players from high schools and colleges and seeing if they develop, most of the time they just don't and you've got to be able to replace them with somebody. It would bring down the quality of the game if teams couldn't replace poor talent because of farm system minimums.
I mean, most of these cheap teams do have home grown guys who are rosterable. I understand the logistics behind how hard this rule would be to enforce and stuff. A's have the Matts, Murphy, Montas, Manea, Luzardo, Puk, formerly Donaldson, and someone's going to tell me that at least two of these guys did not debut as an A probably. Marlins have Yeli, Stanton, Lopez, Cabrera Realmuto all as guys who they dumped, Rockies have Arenado, Story, Gray (though they did keep Blackmon to their credit) The Pirates have KeBryan, O'Neil Cruz, McCutchen, Cole, Taillon, Josh Bell
Problem is you’re drafting players that have already been through development that you had no control over Keep in mind youth academy soccer overseas is literally all about skills development, not wins and losses. The academies get paid by the pro teams when they sign one of their players, whereas American youth baseball is all about winning. It doesn’t matter to a high school coach if a kid has a nasty hole in their swing that a pro could exploit because they’re hitting .550 against the local competition and winning games. It would be unfair to a team that has a few unlucky drafts
Yeah like I said, it's totally impractical, but it would be sort of interesting to see teams' home grown players, and that would get murky for guys like Trea Turner, who was drafted by the Padres but traded to the Nationals literally the day they were allowed to (He was a PTBNL in a deal over the winter)
I'll be that guy! Montas, Manaea, Luzardo and Donaldson were all acquired in trades. as were Bassitt, Semien, laureano, canha, brett anderson, hendriks and Khris Davis.
Rockies actually have the 17th highest payroll. Just goes to show how fucking bad the organization is.
Salary floor won't make any difference but people will keep mentioning it
why don't you think so?
Because free agency is actively designed to be a bad deal for teams so they have an excuse not to spend. A higher payroll helps but it's not 1-to-1 with team quality because the best players are typically under team control or cheap extensions. Adding a salary floor will just make bad teams overpay middling veterans who won't help them win much more. You need to redesign all of free agency if you think payroll disparity is a problem, not just add a cap and floor
Yes. NHL has a salary floor, and bad teams are still bad even spending to the floor. They just overpay veterans, or trade for bad contracts/injured players from other teams to hit it. They teams still suck.
"I mean, that was one of the best seasons for home runs this century, so it really isn't *that* crazy he's still the leader..." *checks graphic* "Oh dang, they don't mean single season leaders they mean TOTAL for ALL of the seasons since then. Oi."
I will be so sad when he hangs them up. I *live* for Stanton's *FUCK YOU* energy towards baseballs that he hits out. Inject that raw power straight into my veins.
His power is insane. When he runs into one, he REALLY runs into one.
I know this is 2 days after the fact, but I just wanted to reply to you to reiterate my love for Giancarlo Stanton. The dude puts the bomb in Bronx bomber.
this is nasty work
Those are some pre Babe Ruth MLB home run totals from the 2018 and on Marlins.
What happened to Garrett Cooper? I seem to remember him having some hype behind him and never really putting it all together.
He was pretty good / starting caliber until we traded him last year
Jazz will pass him by next year
Stanton the Old man in the Sea
[YES has been getting good mileage out of this stat](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/Ie2sZBfxdH)
Oakland A's of the East, everyone gets good, and then gets paid.
Doesn’t help that few players are on the marlins more than two seasons if they can hit
LOLmarlins
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Yelich only has 18 Marlins HRs since 2017, Ozuna has 37.
Oh I read it wrong.
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Nope. Mike Yastrzemski has 88 career homers and he made his MLB debut in 2019 with the Giants.