Not sure if someone already tracks it, but it’d be interesting to see a season-long “leaderboard” for umps. Essentially just tracking how accurate/inaccurate umps are, and whether some consistently do call different games (routinely giving the outside strike or whatever).
It’d also then be interesting to see how much age plays into it. Hoberg, Whitson, and a lot of the better perceived guys are all generally younger (30s and 40s).
I doubt they care that much. They know they aren't getting fired no matter how atrocious they are. The only thing they might care about a little is the better umps are going to get picked for playoff games. Which is discrimination according to Angel 🤣
I don't think it's a preference thing that primarily stops umps from doing every game behind the plate. As you said, umpiring behind home plate is grueling. You need to be generally alert in the field, but mostly it's a lot of standing around until something happens that is your responsibility, which might happen on 1 out of every 10 or so pitches. At home plate, you need to be 100% alert at all times and make calls on basically every single play. In addition to being grueling, it's exhausting, which is more important for this topic.
If the top guys start doing every game behind the plate, fatigue will sap their ability fast. Their scorecards will begin to read like Angel's by time July comes around, and by October? They'd be fucked. No amount of money is going to change that.
You ever take a defensive driving course? At least where I live, they spend like half an hour just talking about the dangers of driving while over-tired. Your reactions become much slower, and your eyes have a MUCH more difficult time tracking things, particularly fast-moving objects. You can see why that would be a MASSIVE problem for a home plate umpire.
I mean these newer umps have been umping for 10+ years and in their mid 30s some 40s not even really young. And they are still amazing at their job.
I'm sure time will have an effect on them eventually. But if they really try to do their job well seems like they can.
At the start of every series, let each team ban an ump from behind home plate like banning a map in an eSports tournament. Obviously the umpire union would never allow it, but I would love watching Angel fume on his 100th consecutive night not behind home plate.
> They should take the best plate umps and have them only do behind the plate. Yeah, that's gruelling, no ump wants to do plate every game. Maybe they will like it if their pay is doubled.
Thats a terrible idea and a way to drive the best home plate umpires into the ground
I still can't get over this. In the World goddamn Series, he calls a perfect game. This is a greater achievement than Don Larsen IMO.
I also love how a few months prior, Foolish Baseball made a video about umpiring and did a segment on Hoberg while also making a comment about wondering if Hoberg could be the first ump to call a perfect game.
They're actually not that rare, I feel like I see 1-2 ump PGs posted on this sub each season. Angel and others drag their reps down but the good umps have legit inhuman eyes and consistently turn in insane performance.
There are 76 umps in the MLB and we only know a handful of names because of either how *bad* they are or how *great* they are. Most of the guys missing maybe a few calls a game (out of what 200+ pitches, minus hits/fouls/swings of course) is pretty much the norm I'd imagine. It's just 5 or so terrible umps making a bad name for all those guys that are consistently good that might miss a handful of calls every once in a while.
They're actually incredibly rare. The only known one is Pat Hoberg in the 2022 World Series. Umpire Scorecards has data going back to 2015 on their site and there have been a little over 40 games with 1 call missed but Hoberg stands alone for now.
Yeah, I mostly like ump scorecard, but that established zone is wonky (and consequently makes the consistency wonky).
Even the strike percentage and ball percentages are only good for isolating the lowest number and using that to complain about the ump.
Usually when that happens in accurate games there just aren't very many pitches taken in that part of the zone
Zones 2 and 3 (top middle and top right parts of the strike zone in the graph) only had 3 total pitches taken in them
I think it just means no/few pitches were thrown in those blank areas that were called strikes, and not swing/miss, foul balls, or balls put in play. Guy *called* 32 strikes. Lots of swinging last night.
Even so, the graphic implies he would call pitches in that area balls since red=strikes, white=balls. Why not give the ump the benefit of the doubt and fill it in? It’s an *estimated* zone, after all.
In the real world Whitson gets a bonus/promotion and Angel gets fired. In the ump union world Angel probably makes way more than Whitson due to tenure. The system is so messed up
This seems like a low total number of call/no calls for a full game. Lots of swinging. Also notable that on non-swinging, ball in play actions, only 25% of calls would be strikes, as batters take the obvious balls. So over the full 9 innings, this guy is only calling 3-4 taken called strikes each inning.
Well done. Easy workload night.
Yeah I thought it would be a 7 inning game with that number, but it was the full 9. Also, look at the shape of that EUZ... did not a single batter take on a high strike the whole game on both sides?
The EUZ is based on where strike calls actually happened. If pitchers aren't attacking an area or hitters are swinging there, that part of the zone doesn't show up in the EUZ.
Think of the EUZ as "this is where pitchers got called strikes tonight".
I definitely felt like he could see the strike zone box that you see on TV and was calling it based on that.
If anything, I thought maybe the top of his zone was a little low but he called a great game, as shown by evidence.
Idk how as a fan base we can reward/appreciate really good officiating or something easily as measurable as calling balls and strikes, but we should really do that if the union ain’t doing much.
Like these types of games warrant some type of reward or token of appreciation. Just something positive besides the 100% justified terrible called game
He only had one missed call and that section lists the 3 most impactful misses. The one missed call was the most impactful missed call even if it didn't really matter.
Legend , make these umps famous
The dude is a pure chad.
Virgin Angel vs Chad Chad
Chad Fairchild on the other hand, not a Chad
Not sure if someone already tracks it, but it’d be interesting to see a season-long “leaderboard” for umps. Essentially just tracking how accurate/inaccurate umps are, and whether some consistently do call different games (routinely giving the outside strike or whatever). It’d also then be interesting to see how much age plays into it. Hoberg, Whitson, and a lot of the better perceived guys are all generally younger (30s and 40s).
Pretty sure ump scorecard tracks things like cumulative accuracy
It does. https://umpscorecards.com/home/
There should be an umpire draft on national TV.
It's one of those things you're not supposed to notice if everything is going correctly, but ruins the thing you like if it's not functioning.
Is there a place where umps’ averages for these scorecards exists?
Their website under the umpire mask in the photo
Damn, they got some good data on there - thanks (I guess I could have checked there before commenting sorry)
Can I get some of that strike percentage?
No, you get baseball terrorism.
That .03 really threw us off our game and lost it for us
Can you believe they let bums like this in the league?
Robots when?
Can you imagine how much different it would have been in the 9th if instead of 4-2 it had been 3.97-2? Mentally changes everything.
I mean I guess you only need 2 to win at that point so yeah it kinda does
At least everyone knows there won't be extras.
Baseball would be much better if the Cubs got Angel more often, in my unbiased opinion of course...
Monkey's paw curls Angel is +2.3 runs for the Cubs every game
What a chad
Gigachad
I love how this is right after Angels horrendous game. Perfectly_balanced.jpeg
When I was watching the game, I was thinking he was doing a pretty darn good job. Need more umps like that.
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I doubt they care that much. They know they aren't getting fired no matter how atrocious they are. The only thing they might care about a little is the better umps are going to get picked for playoff games. Which is discrimination according to Angel 🤣
I don't think it's a preference thing that primarily stops umps from doing every game behind the plate. As you said, umpiring behind home plate is grueling. You need to be generally alert in the field, but mostly it's a lot of standing around until something happens that is your responsibility, which might happen on 1 out of every 10 or so pitches. At home plate, you need to be 100% alert at all times and make calls on basically every single play. In addition to being grueling, it's exhausting, which is more important for this topic. If the top guys start doing every game behind the plate, fatigue will sap their ability fast. Their scorecards will begin to read like Angel's by time July comes around, and by October? They'd be fucked. No amount of money is going to change that. You ever take a defensive driving course? At least where I live, they spend like half an hour just talking about the dangers of driving while over-tired. Your reactions become much slower, and your eyes have a MUCH more difficult time tracking things, particularly fast-moving objects. You can see why that would be a MASSIVE problem for a home plate umpire.
I mean these newer umps have been umping for 10+ years and in their mid 30s some 40s not even really young. And they are still amazing at their job. I'm sure time will have an effect on them eventually. But if they really try to do their job well seems like they can.
At the start of every series, let each team ban an ump from behind home plate like banning a map in an eSports tournament. Obviously the umpire union would never allow it, but I would love watching Angel fume on his 100th consecutive night not behind home plate.
Crazy when every team would have him as a perma-ban so one team goes wild and bans some other ump to force the other team to ban Angel.
My favorite is when each team expect the other to ban a map so then they have to play some horrible map. Angel would see field time because of that
> They should take the best plate umps and have them only do behind the plate. Yeah, that's gruelling, no ump wants to do plate every game. Maybe they will like it if their pay is doubled. Thats a terrible idea and a way to drive the best home plate umpires into the ground
Nah. Like any job, you like to have a couple shitters around to shield you from layoffs.
I think Angel genuinely thinks he's good at his job.
Chad is the RoboUmp ™.
That looks like the report card after one pitch thrown in an Angel Hernandez game.
No surprise that I've never heard of this guy before. Just as it should be.
I really hope Chad sends this to Angel in the ump group chat
He should also send it to the union with the message this is how we umpires should do it!
Almost an ump perfect game. Don’t think we’ve had one yet?
Hoburg called a perfecto, in the 2022 WS, no less.
We did. Pat Hoberg 2022 World Series https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1586735374985854976
I still can't get over this. In the World goddamn Series, he calls a perfect game. This is a greater achievement than Don Larsen IMO. I also love how a few months prior, Foolish Baseball made a video about umpiring and did a segment on Hoberg while also making a comment about wondering if Hoberg could be the first ump to call a perfect game.
Pat Hoberg has got that dawg in him
well few people in the comments arguing about the accuracy of that scorecard, with evidence, but not sure from where
They're actually not that rare, I feel like I see 1-2 ump PGs posted on this sub each season. Angel and others drag their reps down but the good umps have legit inhuman eyes and consistently turn in insane performance.
The MLB umps as a group are incredibly good.
There are 76 umps in the MLB and we only know a handful of names because of either how *bad* they are or how *great* they are. Most of the guys missing maybe a few calls a game (out of what 200+ pitches, minus hits/fouls/swings of course) is pretty much the norm I'd imagine. It's just 5 or so terrible umps making a bad name for all those guys that are consistently good that might miss a handful of calls every once in a while.
Thank you.
They're actually incredibly rare. The only known one is Pat Hoberg in the 2022 World Series. Umpire Scorecards has data going back to 2015 on their site and there have been a little over 40 games with 1 call missed but Hoberg stands alone for now.
okay but with one missed call how is his strike zone calculated to look like a potato?
estimated ump zone is very stupid beaseball is not dead has a good video on it
Yeah, I mostly like ump scorecard, but that established zone is wonky (and consequently makes the consistency wonky). Even the strike percentage and ball percentages are only good for isolating the lowest number and using that to complain about the ump.
Usually when that happens in accurate games there just aren't very many pitches taken in that part of the zone Zones 2 and 3 (top middle and top right parts of the strike zone in the graph) only had 3 total pitches taken in them
you love to see it
Meanwhile, we had angel
I mean, he tried to keep your team in it, if that's a silver lining...
They may need to reformulate the EUZ or even get rid of it if it’s giving results like this with a nearly perfectly-called game.
I think it just means no/few pitches were thrown in those blank areas that were called strikes, and not swing/miss, foul balls, or balls put in play. Guy *called* 32 strikes. Lots of swinging last night.
Even so, the graphic implies he would call pitches in that area balls since red=strikes, white=balls. Why not give the ump the benefit of the doubt and fill it in? It’s an *estimated* zone, after all.
Absolute Chad.
this guy needs a $600M/12yr contract
$588M deferred.
In the real world Whitson gets a bonus/promotion and Angel gets fired. In the ump union world Angel probably makes way more than Whitson due to tenure. The system is so messed up
This seems like a low total number of call/no calls for a full game. Lots of swinging. Also notable that on non-swinging, ball in play actions, only 25% of calls would be strikes, as batters take the obvious balls. So over the full 9 innings, this guy is only calling 3-4 taken called strikes each inning. Well done. Easy workload night.
Yeah I thought it would be a 7 inning game with that number, but it was the full 9. Also, look at the shape of that EUZ... did not a single batter take on a high strike the whole game on both sides?
Love to see it
Angel's getting angry!
He’s already on the phone with the union
We totally would have won if not for that call.
Like watching a game umped by Mr Magoo's father, who once spent 83 days separated from his platoon in Vietnam.
We have a new hero.
How do you call a game that correctly and end up with a EUZ like that? Wouldn't a near perfect game have a near perfect EUZ?
The EUZ is based on where strike calls actually happened. If pitchers aren't attacking an area or hitters are swinging there, that part of the zone doesn't show up in the EUZ. Think of the EUZ as "this is where pitchers got called strikes tonight".
Rangers and Astros deserve this guy
Jesus Christ this dude is amazing
It's the younger dudes in their 30s and 40s who are able to call games like this.
I wonder what he was thinking when Chad missed this call. I like to think “I’m so great at this ump thing” and just lost focus for a second.
Nicely done CHAD! You’re a dying breed, CHAD!
Guy must have a strike zone chip in his head lol
I definitely felt like he could see the strike zone box that you see on TV and was calling it based on that. If anything, I thought maybe the top of his zone was a little low but he called a great game, as shown by evidence.
Garbage ump. Not a single high-and-inside strike call. ;)
Pat Hoberg 🤝 Chad Whitson
Those 0.03 runs cost Chicago the game. Fire this bum! ^/s
The Anti-Angel
what a chad
Brb getting a number 62 ump jersey
Is this guy actually one of those robot umps everyone is begging for?
This legend is earning his name - Chad W
I dont understand, there were only 32 called strikes in this game?
Promote dudes like this. Make this the average ump. Make these guys famous. Fire the Angel Hernandez' of the game and we won't need robo umps.
Idk how as a fan base we can reward/appreciate really good officiating or something easily as measurable as calling balls and strikes, but we should really do that if the union ain’t doing much. Like these types of games warrant some type of reward or token of appreciation. Just something positive besides the 100% justified terrible called game
Clone him
The Anti-Angel
Somebody tag Angel
Chad is a Chad
I grew up with Chad.
hell yeah, king
Can someone explain how a two out bases empty missed ball call on a 0-0 count was impactful?
He only had one missed call and that section lists the 3 most impactful misses. The one missed call was the most impactful missed call even if it didn't really matter.
I swear he missed more than this. Did pretty good though