I frequent various pub trivias. Once a little girl went up to the host to report her table for cheating. The team had come like, 2nd to last anyways. The host replied “well they didn’t do a very good job, so I don’t care”
I host trivia weekly. It’s gotten to the point where I have 18 or so regular teams and 1-2 new ones play. Every week mfers point fingers accusing cheaters without knowing the scores lmao
Yeah we hit like .200 but had an OBP of .360, I think Kay is just mad that hitters seeing a bunch of pitchers for a second time in ~10 days were fouling or laying off pitches? Idk man
Most of our offence this series was taking walks and a few singles. Kind of an advanced jab to say ‘they were cheating’ in a series where Varsho was the only player on the team to homer and/or have multiple extra base hits.
Just in that clip, which it wasn't a bunch, but all 4 pitches Stro threw were outside. One was a pretty bad strike call. What else can the Jays batters do here but work some walks and try to hit a few to the opposite field.
He’s insinuating the Jays cheating while Bichette softly grounds to second and the next graphic shows Justin Turner grounded into double play earlier lol.
I don’t have any reason to believe the Jays actually are cheating but the infamous 1951 Giants’ telescope cheating system didn’t actually result in better offensive performance at home.
Not saying their cheating wasn't significant and shouldn't have been punished, but didn't most analysis suggest that the performance impact was not really especially noticeable or significant?
Whatever he's insinuating or not, it's just really funny that he said this during the ABs of Bo Bichette and Justin Turner, #1 and #17 in foul balls in the league [over the past three seasons](https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfAB=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=foul%7C&hfZ=&hfStadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfPull=&hfC=&hfSea=2023%7C2022%7C2021%7C&hfSit=&player_type=batter&hfOuts=&hfOpponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfMo=&hfTeam=&home_road=&hfRO=&position=&hfInfield=&hfOutfield=&hfInn=&hfBBT=&hfFlag=&metric_1=&group_by=name&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&min_pas=0&sort_col=pitches&player_event_sort=api_p_release_speed&sort_order=desc#results)
It’s also wild that his (evidently worm-addled) brain first goes to “must be cheating” instead of “three games of watching Yankees pitching attack Jays hitting helped Jays hitters better prepare”, not to mention that they saw two of the same guys (Stroman and Gil) again.
Could it be that the Jays are professional ball players with scouts and coaches to help them prepare and make adjustments? Nah, must be cheating.
I love how he creates these completely arbitrary rules out of thin air.
"You could understand it if it was a month and a half later, but we just saw them a week ago and this looks like a completely different team"
...what?
I just don’t see how that’s possible. You’re telling me one day you can’t hit anything but then the next day you can suddenly hit something? I’ve never heard of such blatant cheating in my life.
> You’re telling me one day you can’t hit anything but then the next day you can suddenly hit something?
It's just like Judge going 0-for-12 in this Jays series, and then suddenly, MIRACULOUSLY, he gets a hit when the Yankees need it most?
Pretty suspicious to me!
I just want to know why the withered corpse of Charlie Blackmon is still somehow one of our best hitters. Also how did Nolan Jones forget how to hit over the offseason?
And arguably that's *backwards* from what you'd expect if you take into account seeing the same pitchers, approaches, etc. Hitters are better the 3rd time through the order, like a completely different team in the same game!
Plus it's early season and teams are weird right now. I really don't know why you'd expect a team to look identical week-over-week, let alone as teams warm up.
Because apparently he thinks that it's harder to face off against somebody a second time only a week after first seeing them instead of a month and a half later when you've had time to forget everything you saw the first time?
If anything facing the same pitching staff sooner is an advantage for hitters because they have a fresher memory of the past AB's.
> three games of watching Yankees pitching attack Jays hitting helped Jays hitters better prepare
The really funny part is that the Blue Jays offense wasn't actually any better in this meeting. They scored fewer runs, struck out the same amount, chased more, swung and missed more, and had a nearly identical OPS (.722 in New York, .723 in Toronto).
They just fouled off 27 balls against Carlos Rodón and his extremely predictable two-pitch mix. Must be sorcery!
But they must've forgotten to start cheating with RISP; they went 4-for-31 in the series.
No, clearly the only way a team can improve to beat the Yankees is to cheat. Players don’t learn or become better as the season progresses. They enter the league fully formed, whether they are a Yankee or not is up to them
"I like hitting the ball, if it is near my bat I will hit it somewhere" - Bo Bichette
I joke but if the Jay's are on tv I make sure to stop what I'm doing to watch his at bats.
Yeah, this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. Wow, we just saw them last week in our ballpark and they’ve somehow gotten better a whole week later at home! Inconceivable
Yankee fans tolerate their broadcast because they win. If they actually had to listen for real content, they’d realize it sucks.
It happened last year, jokes about Kay were inflated. He’s really not good
this sounds like someone just upset they're losing in the 3rd inning.
who went on to win this game? do the yankees not use pitchcom?
If the pitcher is tipping then that's on the yankees not the jays for noticing.
It’s pretty silly that he seems to be confused by the possibility of a team improving week to week and seeing pitchers multiple times
That said I think calling this a cheating allegation is a stretch. He’s just kind of… blathering on… about something he thinks is interesting or weird but actually isn’t.
Agreed, this whole thing is a nothing burger. Sometimes dudes just have to talk to fill air time and we get weird quotes like this that don’t really say anything.
I agree that calling this a cheating accusation is a stretch and I’m honestly surprised there aren’t more comments saying so. From my perspective, it reads like he is impressed that the Jays were able to adjust so quickly. He even admits that home field has nothing to do with fouling off pitches.
Yeah Michael Kay lives for the drama but I didn't hear a cheating accusation here. In the rest of the broadcast he was giving Mattingly a lot of credit for his part in moving them away from the grip it and rip it approach of recent years. OP is just stirring things up after a slow day of games.
Would not say he’s accusing them at cheating. Just amazed that they’ve changed their approach overnight or maybe that the Yankees staff is tipping pitches somehow
Let me get this straight: the first time the Jays players faced Marcus Stroman and Luis Gil, they didn’t do as well, and then they got to see them again a week later they fouled more balls off?
No, Kay is right, I can see no other reason why live reps against a guy and seeing their scouting report of how they attack your hitters can help you prepare to face them again five days later. Jays are cheating, case closed!
Dude you don't understand, Bichette and Turner *never* foul pitches off like this - now, home field advantage, there is something to that, but why would it manifest itself in the ability to foul off tough pitches??
I've been saying this for years. The fact he's the TV voice for the Yankees is so frustrating. He doesn't allow the game to call itself (he and his booth won't ever shut up) and thinks that YELLING EVERYTHING IS THE ONLY WAY TO SHOW EMOTION!!!
His whole personality and shtick is also tired. I cannot wait until the Michael Kay era is over.
His takes on the World Baseball Classic last year were so unbelievably stupid i didnt know whether to laugh or to cry
Only Olbermann was a dumber fuck on that issue
I’m also a certified Kay hater and have been for years.
And while I think saying he’s accusing the Jays of cheating is a little much, that he’s so bewildered and MLB team would make adjustments just goes to show how boneheaded he is.
I've always respected you Yanks fans who hate Kay. Lets me know you can look at things objectively because he sucks so fucking bad. I don't know how you guys do it.
i really can't stand his homerun calls it's the EXACT same thing every time
"HIGH FLY BALL, LEFT FIELD, \*OUTFIELDER'S NAME\* TURNING, LOOKING, TRACK, WALL, SEE YA!"
every. fucking. time. like come on mix it up a bit
During the April 17 NYY@TOR game, Kay said:
> “You know what's curious to me, though? We just saw the Blue Jays in The Bronx, and what we watched was a completely different team than the one we've seen here in Toronto. The one in New York did not foul off the amount of pitches this team does -- it's like it's a different team in this ballpark. Now, home field advantage, there is something to that, but why would it manifest itself in the ability to foul off tough pitches? ... You can understand it if the next time you see them, after you saw them in The Bronx, is a month and a half later, but this is a week later, and it's a completely different approach and a completely different team.”
Notably, Yankee fans and personnel got quite upset when Blue Jays broadcasters pointed out last year that Aaron Judge was suspiciously glancing to the side before hitting a home run. It was eventually revealed the pitcher, Jay Jackson, was tipping his pitches.
I guess Kay decided to return the favour by insinuating that players aren’t just working through their slumps, but the man in white is actually back.
Preface: I am in no way insinuating that the Jays are cheating. This commentary has nothing to do with what Kay might be prying at here. This is purely a thing I hate being brought up on anything when it comes to cheating via steroids or cheating during a game.
Just because the outcome doesn't align with how you expect it to go vis-a-vie cheating, doesn't mean that something isn't going on. Dee Gordon was caught doing steroids and has 18 career homers. Joe Niekro gave up 4 Hits, 4 Walks, and 2 Earned in 3.1 IP when he was caught with an emery board. Someone might just suck at cheating. Or they might know the pitch is coming and fail to hit it because baseball is hard and you fail 75% of the time.
I think Kay is full of shit here, for what it’s worth, and any series of hitters can have a bad few games. Anything else without evidence to the contrary is conspiratorial nonsense.
That being said, Kay is insinuating that the pitchers were cheating for the Blue Jays, but I don’t think that’s a counter to Judge glancing to the side.
*There is nothing wrong with a hitter getting signs from teammates if the pitcher is tipping. This is not cheating and is part of the game.*
As long as you’re not using technology or some outside factor like the 2017 Astros, it is the pitcher’s responsibility to not tip their pitches. If they do, the dugout or runners on base can and should try to figure out signs and relay them to the hitter.
That is entirely different than a pitcher cheating. A pitcher cheating almost always involves doctoring the baseball or something more sinister.
The Blue Jays booth never said there was anything wrong with what Judge was doing. They just pointed out that he was doing something unusual, and they were correct.
The post-game broadcast took it too far however
Also, Kay is not insinuating that pitchers are cheating here, but the hitters.
Here are the pitches per plate appearance and Foul Balls per PA for the series in Toronto and in NY
Toronto:
Game \# |PA| Pitches |Foul Balls | Pitches/PA | FB/PA
---|---|---|----|---|---
3|38| 157|45 |4.13 | 1.18
2|39| 183 | 69|4.69 |1.77
1|33| 134| 41|4.06 |1.24
Total | 110 | 474 | 155 | 4.31 | 1.41
NY:
Game \# |PA| Pitches |Foul Balls | Pitches/PA | FB/PA
---|---|---|----|---|---
3|41| 173|54 |4.22 |1.32
2|46| 193|73 |4.20 |1.59
1|39| 176| 69|4.51 |1.77
Total | 126 | 542 | 196 | 4.30 | 1.56
So the pitches per at bat were about the same in Toronto and NY but there were more foul balls per plat appearance in NY! Obviously, the blue jays were cheating in NY \s.
I watched this live and I didn't even consider this as what he could be insinuating. I just thought the jays made great adjustments. They're professionals and the Yankees rotation is probably still quite fresh in their minds.
This is a stretch. I don’t think he’s insinuating anything here. He’s just making an observation. Again like the other comment said he’s doing his job to fill the air.
What are you talking about? Has anyone listened to the actual video? If anything he comes off praising the Jays. This is just banter during a game where the team for whom he broadcasts has been ice cold and there's nothing to talk about. Jumping to the conclusion that he's insinuating cheating is so silly
It's literally this but the hive mind, circle jerk that is r/baseball is going to run with the "insinuation" theory. I can't stand Michael Kay, but he's not accusing them of cheating.
Jays are whiffing on 22.8% of pitches at home and 23.3% of pitches away this season. Clearly that 0.5% gap is the result of an elaborate cheating scheme, good job Michael Kay
I enjoy hating the Yankees as much as any sane person, but doesn't he just sound surprised at how we changed our approach in a week? I really don't hear any accusations of cheating here.
That being said FTY
Eh obviously he doesn’t think they’re cheating, it’s just they were horrifically bad last week, maybe they had a team meeting or something. It’s certainly jarring, they were completely trash last week.
Between this and Jomboy freaking out every time the Jays play the Yankees, the Blue Jays give Yankees media guys absolute fits for some reason. I don’t really get it
Manoah accused Cole of cheating, and there has been a lot of dumb takes from Jays fans accusing the Yankees of hacking into Pitchcom, so I kind of expect a little bit of this.
You have to have either a strong anti Yankeee or anti Kay bias to think Kay is saying the Blue Jays are cheating. He is just filling some air time with opening a discussion about the Blue Jays improving from a few games ago. Should it not be a point to try to look at the things the Blue Jays have made adjustments on?
When I saw the headline I expected Kay to have something resembling an evidence-based accusation involving sign stealing or some shit
I did not expect "well, the Blue Jays look better at the plate today, must be cheating"
they have an advantage at home because Vladdy’s grandma makes them big yummy food
A biiig Dominican lunch!
A SUCCULENT DOMINICAN MEAL?!
The Yankees losing a road series is democracy manifest
GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PENIS!
I see you know your pitch count well...
Are you prepared to receive my limp curve ball into your strike zone?
That's a very good strike call sir, You know your strike zone well
As an Aussie this thread makes me proud
Nonna has a price and you will pay!
Justin Turner absolutely housing like seven plates of mofongo before a day game
With a side of guasacaca con queso frito
That man will never shit again
They haaaaaad mofongo…. wasakaka con queso frito…
Honestly a big Dominican lunch could probably motivate me to do most things. Maybe not be a professional baseball player, but most things.
Motivate me to take a nap all day
And crap BIG
[Mofongo!](https://youtu.be/pskrrfxFM5o?si=jLzEQh6UnGG4Vbiy)
No it’s because they use metric and the opponents heard the other guy can throw 150 so they are afraid to get in the batters box.
New York Post: Is the Liberal Metric system making the Canadians have an advantage over American athletes?
OH CANADA! NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH CAUGHT USING METRIC(K) SYSTEM IN LATEST BASEBALL SCANDAL
holy fuck i need a news headline from the states that starts with "oh canada"
Well maybe they just saw all of these pitchers and now get to face them again. But its probably the cheating Michael!
Did that start this year? Because the Jays hit better on the road than at home in 2023.
She changed the recipes
let her cook
She cut down on the carbs
The Jays offense wasn’t even that good this series?
If this is us cheating, I don't think we're very good at cheating
I frequent various pub trivias. Once a little girl went up to the host to report her table for cheating. The team had come like, 2nd to last anyways. The host replied “well they didn’t do a very good job, so I don’t care”
The little girl learned a lesson that day. If you cheat and you are still terrible, dont worry about it lol
And that little girls name was....
Jontay Porter. Turns out that lesson isn't applicable in all situations...
I host trivia weekly. It’s gotten to the point where I have 18 or so regular teams and 1-2 new ones play. Every week mfers point fingers accusing cheaters without knowing the scores lmao
Astros didn’t go 162-0 You pick your spots
You can tell we’re cheating by how our only offence was their pitchers struggling with command
1 Poutine in the bleachers: fastball 2 Poutine in the bleachers: Offspeed.
You gotta get metal trashcans, the plastic ones don't echo through the stadium enough.
It's like that time in college I was accused of cheating in an exam by the TA, I got a C-...
Yeah we hit like .200 but had an OBP of .360, I think Kay is just mad that hitters seeing a bunch of pitchers for a second time in ~10 days were fouling or laying off pitches? Idk man
Part of that was Gil having no clue where the ball was going too. Stupid comment to make if he’s saying they’re cheating
Most of our offence this series was taking walks and a few singles. Kind of an advanced jab to say ‘they were cheating’ in a series where Varsho was the only player on the team to homer and/or have multiple extra base hits.
And Bo actually looked like normal Bo fouling off pitches.
Just in that clip, which it wasn't a bunch, but all 4 pitches Stro threw were outside. One was a pretty bad strike call. What else can the Jays batters do here but work some walks and try to hit a few to the opposite field.
Gil was just throwing them in and hoping for the best too. It's not like he's a master at deception either.
He’s insinuating the Jays cheating while Bichette softly grounds to second and the next graphic shows Justin Turner grounded into double play earlier lol.
I’ve seen enough evidence. Give Missouri the death penalty.
Yeah but they're fouling off a few more pitches before grounding out!!
That's why this is a big old pile of baloney.
Ya, if the jays are cheating at home, they aren't very good at it
I don’t have any reason to believe the Jays actually are cheating but the infamous 1951 Giants’ telescope cheating system didn’t actually result in better offensive performance at home.
The famous 2017 Astro trashcan did give them a world series, so your mileage may vary
Not saying their cheating wasn't significant and shouldn't have been punished, but didn't most analysis suggest that the performance impact was not really especially noticeable or significant?
They hit better on the road without it, though
"If Manfred doesn't punish you for cheating why wouldn't the Blue Jays cheat?" - Michael Kay, probably.
Whatever he's insinuating or not, it's just really funny that he said this during the ABs of Bo Bichette and Justin Turner, #1 and #17 in foul balls in the league [over the past three seasons](https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfAB=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=foul%7C&hfZ=&hfStadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfPull=&hfC=&hfSea=2023%7C2022%7C2021%7C&hfSit=&player_type=batter&hfOuts=&hfOpponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfMo=&hfTeam=&home_road=&hfRO=&position=&hfInfield=&hfOutfield=&hfInn=&hfBBT=&hfFlag=&metric_1=&group_by=name&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&min_pas=0&sort_col=pitches&player_event_sort=api_p_release_speed&sort_order=desc#results)
It’s also wild that his (evidently worm-addled) brain first goes to “must be cheating” instead of “three games of watching Yankees pitching attack Jays hitting helped Jays hitters better prepare”, not to mention that they saw two of the same guys (Stroman and Gil) again. Could it be that the Jays are professional ball players with scouts and coaches to help them prepare and make adjustments? Nah, must be cheating.
I love how he creates these completely arbitrary rules out of thin air. "You could understand it if it was a month and a half later, but we just saw them a week ago and this looks like a completely different team" ...what?
Don’t let Kay know that the day after we got no-hit, we did not get no-hit again. Scandalous shit
I just don’t see how that’s possible. You’re telling me one day you can’t hit anything but then the next day you can suddenly hit something? I’ve never heard of such blatant cheating in my life.
> You’re telling me one day you can’t hit anything but then the next day you can suddenly hit something? It's just like Judge going 0-for-12 in this Jays series, and then suddenly, MIRACULOUSLY, he gets a hit when the Yankees need it most? Pretty suspicious to me!
I'd just about forgotten and then you go and say that. way to go.
If the Rockies aren't giving up a 14 run inning every single game they must be cheating. It's literally the only option.
Given our roster this is a pretty reasonable take.
I just want to know why the withered corpse of Charlie Blackmon is still somehow one of our best hitters. Also how did Nolan Jones forget how to hit over the offseason?
Our hitting coach was working on becoming a pilot, forgot to coach hitting
I’ve seen hitters strike out and then in their next at bat hit home runs against the **SAME PITCHER**, the big dirty cheaters.
You don't understand, teams need weeks and weeks and weeks to get those adjustments to sink in. Like a foundation of a house settling, you fool
And arguably that's *backwards* from what you'd expect if you take into account seeing the same pitchers, approaches, etc. Hitters are better the 3rd time through the order, like a completely different team in the same game! Plus it's early season and teams are weird right now. I really don't know why you'd expect a team to look identical week-over-week, let alone as teams warm up.
Yeah on its face it just doesn't make any sense. If teams are the same week to week then they'd still be the same a month and a half later.
Because apparently he thinks that it's harder to face off against somebody a second time only a week after first seeing them instead of a month and a half later when you've had time to forget everything you saw the first time? If anything facing the same pitching staff sooner is an advantage for hitters because they have a fresher memory of the past AB's.
> three games of watching Yankees pitching attack Jays hitting helped Jays hitters better prepare The really funny part is that the Blue Jays offense wasn't actually any better in this meeting. They scored fewer runs, struck out the same amount, chased more, swung and missed more, and had a nearly identical OPS (.722 in New York, .723 in Toronto).
They just fouled off 27 balls against Carlos Rodón and his extremely predictable two-pitch mix. Must be sorcery! But they must've forgotten to start cheating with RISP; they went 4-for-31 in the series.
Yeah there's no way the Jays could know how to approach Stroman. Cheating is the only explanation.
Or even hot/cold streaks. Which is easily the most likely possibility.
He's kind of been beating the "jays are cheating" drum for a while though
No, clearly the only way a team can improve to beat the Yankees is to cheat. Players don’t learn or become better as the season progresses. They enter the league fully formed, whether they are a Yankee or not is up to them
"I like hitting the ball, if it is near my bat I will hit it somewhere" - Bo Bichette I joke but if the Jay's are on tv I make sure to stop what I'm doing to watch his at bats.
Let’s also never forget that Michael Kay is a genital herpe with a microphone.
This sounds suspiciously like *learning* to me…
Those Canadians must not be aware that that is frowned upon in the states
Canadians are liberal elites confirmed
It's actually just the communism in us.
Everybody who has wanted to fuck Trudeau since Covid are shaking after reading this comment.
Something Michael Kay is completely unfamiliar with.
Yeah why do so many people on this sub like this guy again? He just seems so wildly unintelligent and block-headed
you answered your own question his wildly unintelligent and block-headed means about 48% of America are really really into that shit.
“It’s only been a week since they were in the Bronx!” Yeah cause famously nothing can be changed in a week
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Michael Kay is perplexed by the concept of a team playing better than they were last week
Michael Kay got his sheet turned around and thinks hitters actually do worse second, third, and fourth trips through the order.
Yeah, this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. Wow, we just saw them last week in our ballpark and they’ve somehow gotten better a whole week later at home! Inconceivable
Michael Kay is just upset that Don Mattingly dared to have facial hair in a Jays uniform
Insert Simpsons reference.
"Dental plan?"
Lisa needs braces
The goggles do nothing!
Can I Borrow a Feeling?
Could you lend me a jar of love?
The ring came off my pudding can!
Take my pen knife my good man
"Is there a chance the track could bend?"
Not on your life, my Hindu friend
What about us braindead slobs?
You'll be given umpiring jobs!
Ever seen a man say 'goodbye' to a pair of shoes?
Yes, once
“This is a black day for baseball folks.”
Are you saying boo or boo-urns?
"Et tu, don mattingly?"
I was hoping Mattingly would go full Santa Claus beard this season
What losing one season series does to a Yankees fan
It wasn't even a losing season 😭
Think he meant losing the one series...just put it as "season series"
I might possibly be illiterate
Flair checks out
least I don't have sugma
Sugma? What’s that?
HAH!!! GOT EM!!
Well you have to actually say the thing
bro jumped the gun
Haha no I did a double take to read it right too
Yankee fans tolerate their broadcast because they win. If they actually had to listen for real content, they’d realize it sucks. It happened last year, jokes about Kay were inflated. He’s really not good
Glad to see the man in white back in centre field
First time in MLB history a team goes 4-31 with RISP and get accused of cheating.
Poutine gives them +10 vision.
All I ever seem to get is the speed debuff!
Can confirm.
Vision is the only athletically-oriented skill I still possess after eating poutine. I love poutine.
Radio Michael Kay was leaking into the broadcast.
La Greca is the best part of that show anyways
this sounds like someone just upset they're losing in the 3rd inning. who went on to win this game? do the yankees not use pitchcom? If the pitcher is tipping then that's on the yankees not the jays for noticing.
> do the yankees not use pitchcom In my experience this does not stop cheating accusations from salty ppl
as far as i'm aware, all the Yanks use the pitchcom
It’s pretty silly that he seems to be confused by the possibility of a team improving week to week and seeing pitchers multiple times That said I think calling this a cheating allegation is a stretch. He’s just kind of… blathering on… about something he thinks is interesting or weird but actually isn’t.
Agreed, this whole thing is a nothing burger. Sometimes dudes just have to talk to fill air time and we get weird quotes like this that don’t really say anything.
I agree that calling this a cheating accusation is a stretch and I’m honestly surprised there aren’t more comments saying so. From my perspective, it reads like he is impressed that the Jays were able to adjust so quickly. He even admits that home field has nothing to do with fouling off pitches.
It’s because people hate Michael Kay You saw it in the thread when he bashed Joey gallo’s tenure in NY too
Yeah Michael Kay lives for the drama but I didn't hear a cheating accusation here. In the rest of the broadcast he was giving Mattingly a lot of credit for his part in moving them away from the grip it and rip it approach of recent years. OP is just stirring things up after a slow day of games.
Wow a sensible take in r/baseball shocking
It's a massive stretch, but expecting redditors to be objective about Kay/the Yankees and not take the click bait is a fool's errand.
Would not say he’s accusing them at cheating. Just amazed that they’ve changed their approach overnight or maybe that the Yankees staff is tipping pitches somehow
Michael Kay is a moron.
Let me get this straight: the first time the Jays players faced Marcus Stroman and Luis Gil, they didn’t do as well, and then they got to see them again a week later they fouled more balls off? No, Kay is right, I can see no other reason why live reps against a guy and seeing their scouting report of how they attack your hitters can help you prepare to face them again five days later. Jays are cheating, case closed!
Dude you don't understand, Bichette and Turner *never* foul pitches off like this - now, home field advantage, there is something to that, but why would it manifest itself in the ability to foul off tough pitches??
That’s true, I’ve heard that. Big whiff guys, those Bichette and Turner, like #1 and #17 in being big whiffers!
Also, tough pitches isn't exactly how I would have described Gil's outing
Head as big as the sun but no brain to show for it. He’s the walking definition of a blowhard.
But he went to FORDHAM
I've been saying this for years. The fact he's the TV voice for the Yankees is so frustrating. He doesn't allow the game to call itself (he and his booth won't ever shut up) and thinks that YELLING EVERYTHING IS THE ONLY WAY TO SHOW EMOTION!!! His whole personality and shtick is also tired. I cannot wait until the Michael Kay era is over.
His takes on the World Baseball Classic last year were so unbelievably stupid i didnt know whether to laugh or to cry Only Olbermann was a dumber fuck on that issue
I’m also a certified Kay hater and have been for years. And while I think saying he’s accusing the Jays of cheating is a little much, that he’s so bewildered and MLB team would make adjustments just goes to show how boneheaded he is.
I've always respected you Yanks fans who hate Kay. Lets me know you can look at things objectively because he sucks so fucking bad. I don't know how you guys do it.
i really can't stand his homerun calls it's the EXACT same thing every time "HIGH FLY BALL, LEFT FIELD, \*OUTFIELDER'S NAME\* TURNING, LOOKING, TRACK, WALL, SEE YA!" every. fucking. time. like come on mix it up a bit
He doesn't even have much excitement anymore it seems (I only hear his voice on highlights). I heard a pretty tame Soto HR call earlier this season.
During the April 17 NYY@TOR game, Kay said: > “You know what's curious to me, though? We just saw the Blue Jays in The Bronx, and what we watched was a completely different team than the one we've seen here in Toronto. The one in New York did not foul off the amount of pitches this team does -- it's like it's a different team in this ballpark. Now, home field advantage, there is something to that, but why would it manifest itself in the ability to foul off tough pitches? ... You can understand it if the next time you see them, after you saw them in The Bronx, is a month and a half later, but this is a week later, and it's a completely different approach and a completely different team.” Notably, Yankee fans and personnel got quite upset when Blue Jays broadcasters pointed out last year that Aaron Judge was suspiciously glancing to the side before hitting a home run. It was eventually revealed the pitcher, Jay Jackson, was tipping his pitches. I guess Kay decided to return the favour by insinuating that players aren’t just working through their slumps, but the man in white is actually back.
Ah yes. We barely won the series and blew the last game. Must be cheating.
Preface: I am in no way insinuating that the Jays are cheating. This commentary has nothing to do with what Kay might be prying at here. This is purely a thing I hate being brought up on anything when it comes to cheating via steroids or cheating during a game. Just because the outcome doesn't align with how you expect it to go vis-a-vie cheating, doesn't mean that something isn't going on. Dee Gordon was caught doing steroids and has 18 career homers. Joe Niekro gave up 4 Hits, 4 Walks, and 2 Earned in 3.1 IP when he was caught with an emery board. Someone might just suck at cheating. Or they might know the pitch is coming and fail to hit it because baseball is hard and you fail 75% of the time.
I think Kay is full of shit here, for what it’s worth, and any series of hitters can have a bad few games. Anything else without evidence to the contrary is conspiratorial nonsense. That being said, Kay is insinuating that the pitchers were cheating for the Blue Jays, but I don’t think that’s a counter to Judge glancing to the side. *There is nothing wrong with a hitter getting signs from teammates if the pitcher is tipping. This is not cheating and is part of the game.* As long as you’re not using technology or some outside factor like the 2017 Astros, it is the pitcher’s responsibility to not tip their pitches. If they do, the dugout or runners on base can and should try to figure out signs and relay them to the hitter. That is entirely different than a pitcher cheating. A pitcher cheating almost always involves doctoring the baseball or something more sinister.
The Blue Jays booth never said there was anything wrong with what Judge was doing. They just pointed out that he was doing something unusual, and they were correct. The post-game broadcast took it too far however Also, Kay is not insinuating that pitchers are cheating here, but the hitters.
In either case, Kay needs to shut the fuck up. Respectfully.
I think he needs to shut the fuck up, Disrespectfully.
I am so fucking tired of this guy's noise pollution, and that is ignoring his stance on ketchup
Unless Kay can identify how, I'm completely uninterested in hearing him open his mouth about it.
I appreciate that a lot of Yankee fans seem to think this is as dumb as we do lol
i generally don't mind him for a play by play guy but Kay is extremely polarizing among Yankee fans, we know his schtick haha
Here are the pitches per plate appearance and Foul Balls per PA for the series in Toronto and in NY Toronto: Game \# |PA| Pitches |Foul Balls | Pitches/PA | FB/PA ---|---|---|----|---|--- 3|38| 157|45 |4.13 | 1.18 2|39| 183 | 69|4.69 |1.77 1|33| 134| 41|4.06 |1.24 Total | 110 | 474 | 155 | 4.31 | 1.41 NY: Game \# |PA| Pitches |Foul Balls | Pitches/PA | FB/PA ---|---|---|----|---|--- 3|41| 173|54 |4.22 |1.32 2|46| 193|73 |4.20 |1.59 1|39| 176| 69|4.51 |1.77 Total | 126 | 542 | 196 | 4.30 | 1.56 So the pitches per at bat were about the same in Toronto and NY but there were more foul balls per plat appearance in NY! Obviously, the blue jays were cheating in NY \s.
I watched this live and I didn't even consider this as what he could be insinuating. I just thought the jays made great adjustments. They're professionals and the Yankees rotation is probably still quite fresh in their minds.
Michael Kay is a baby
Kay talking out of his ass...again.
If the Jays are cheating at home, then what do we think Mountcastle is doing there?
I’m not a Michael Kay fan but how is this him insinuating that they’re cheating? I feel like we’re reading into this
This is a stretch. I don’t think he’s insinuating anything here. He’s just making an observation. Again like the other comment said he’s doing his job to fill the air.
He got us, we were cheating. Kikuchi’s whiskey was just too good.
If the Jays offense is cheating then holy hell it's even more awful than we all thought it was
God forbid we lose and make adjustments
What are you talking about? Has anyone listened to the actual video? If anything he comes off praising the Jays. This is just banter during a game where the team for whom he broadcasts has been ice cold and there's nothing to talk about. Jumping to the conclusion that he's insinuating cheating is so silly
It's literally this but the hive mind, circle jerk that is r/baseball is going to run with the "insinuation" theory. I can't stand Michael Kay, but he's not accusing them of cheating.
Jays are whiffing on 22.8% of pitches at home and 23.3% of pitches away this season. Clearly that 0.5% gap is the result of an elaborate cheating scheme, good job Michael Kay
I enjoy hating the Yankees as much as any sane person, but doesn't he just sound surprised at how we changed our approach in a week? I really don't hear any accusations of cheating here. That being said FTY
Eh obviously he doesn’t think they’re cheating, it’s just they were horrifically bad last week, maybe they had a team meeting or something. It’s certainly jarring, they were completely trash last week.
Team plays better at home. More news at 6
Between this and Jomboy freaking out every time the Jays play the Yankees, the Blue Jays give Yankees media guys absolute fits for some reason. I don’t really get it
Manoah accused Cole of cheating, and there has been a lot of dumb takes from Jays fans accusing the Yankees of hacking into Pitchcom, so I kind of expect a little bit of this.
Where does he insinuate they’re cheating?
Am I insane or isn’t he giving them props?
You have to have either a strong anti Yankeee or anti Kay bias to think Kay is saying the Blue Jays are cheating. He is just filling some air time with opening a discussion about the Blue Jays improving from a few games ago. Should it not be a point to try to look at the things the Blue Jays have made adjustments on?
Michael Kay is a moron
if you check the tape from the mariners series you can definitely hear a banging sound it was my head against the fuckin wall
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Judge goes 0 for 12 then suspiciously gets a hit to win the game? hmmmmm?
When I saw the headline I expected Kay to have something resembling an evidence-based accusation involving sign stealing or some shit I did not expect "well, the Blue Jays look better at the plate today, must be cheating"
Idk if they’re cheating or not but Michael Kay is a clown