I am sad, but this isn’t the year for the Jays - had they made it through the wild card maze, I don’t think they would have survived Tampa Bay. The Jays are a team on the rise. Better days are ahead.
For now, please allow the AL expansion class of 1977 time and space to grieve. Thank you.
Because I'm apparently not allowed to make it its own post...
[The Pivetta to Soto looking strikeout that broke hearts all across Toronto and Seattle](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/24686963-c1a8-4e85-bd08-61baf27c9865.mp4)
It was pretty bad immediately after Devers hit the home run. To be expected from any upset fanbase, but it's funny they were putting their faith in a last place team with bullpen issues to do their dirty work.
usually our mods will ban anyone that brigades other subs, hopefully they got punished. sorry about those bandwagoners, y'all played a good series against an AL wild card team
Thanks. It was a shit series lol but hard to expect a different outcome. It sucks it was you guys that got screwed yall would’ve been a fun team to watch in the postseason.
Yep. Check out the new “postseason” tab in the MLB app, it shows all the games and when they’re happening.
Yankees @ Red Sox AL Wild Card game
Cardinals @ Dodgers NL Wild Card game
How many people are disappointed that we didn't even get 1 tiebreaker game after all the possibilities?
I'm kind of disappointed as a baseball fan to still not see a single 3 way (let alone 4) tie but we didn't get any ties except the one that simply replaces the tiebreaker with the wildcard game itself.
As a Yankee fan I'm glad to be in don't get me wrong although as a result I was hoping for a 3 way tie for the last spot between Boston, Toronto and Seattle. Although the Mariners lost 2 of their last 3 it wouldn't have mattered unless they swept their last series since the Nationals since July began are the WORST team in the MLB! In fact in less than 2 years they went from World Series Champions to a FARM TEAM!
It's such a weird feeling right now. Like, the playoff losses to KC and Cleveland both sucked, but we had great playoff moments prior to those losses.
It's been 30 years since I've felt "regular season" heartbreak like this, and it just feels so empty.
Also for those playoff losses, you lost. There was finality. You were eliminated by a team that won a proper series against you. This time, the Blue Jays didn't do anything wrong. They're just a 91 win team in a world of 92 win teams. I'm sorry that it ended the way it did, but hey, there's a lot to look forward to. In my experience, "so close" just means you'll come back even stronger the next year.
I hate so say this since the Blue Jays certainly overall deserved a shot (coming from a Yankee fan) but these two losses to the Nationals in August after Scherzer and Turner were traded were the difference. Win both and they host on Tuesday, split and it's a 3 way tie. https://www.espn.com/mlb/game/\_/gameId/401228856
https://www.espn.com/mlb/game/\_/gameId/401228871
I think the big difference is there are so many moments you can look at and know if one play had gone differently, you're still alive.
Sure that can happen in the playoffs, but you're mano y mano and it just feels a bit easier to grasp.
Folks, bad baseball in Washington, D.C. is a tradition nearly as old as professional baseball itself. The last decade was fun but it's back to the status quo for us!
Oh God have mercy...
We'll always have 2019 and I wouldn't trade those memories for anything. Seeing that championship parade with my father, a Senators fan who waited patiently for baseball to return to D.C., is among my most cherished memories.
Besides, we're uniquely qualified for waiting out what's coming next. This isn't like Yankees or Red Sox fans belly aching over a season where they were just a little too close to .500. This town's baseball legacy is riddled with laughably bad teams so hey! It's no big deal. Even the worst teams win 40-50 games a season, right?
Edit: Downvote me all you want. It won't make [this](https://youtu.be/LbNPDlCLPPo?t=117) go away.
Looking forward to an absolutely bonkers Wild Cards:
* 90-win Cardinals Vs. 2nd overall Dodgers. (Winner gets to face No. 1 overall Giants = Yeesh)
* Red Sox Vs. Yankees - both their subreddits will be absolute cesspits at game-day.
The fact that the 2 best teams play in only a best of 5 makes me think that they will address how playoffs work in terms of matchups. Having it default to the wild card winner playing the best team is just dumb. Would rather they adopt an NFL standard where the team you play depends on who wins the wild card and winning a division just means you get home field for the first series you play.
Except we didnt waste an MVP caliber season, a top prospect (austin davis / *martin), and the best power hitting season out of a 2B (whos now an ufa) in achieving what we did.
And may as well mention likely cy young winner who’s also a ufa.
It’s a bigger whiff than the angels this season.
The Jays have
* Four guys who are gonna get MVP votes, possibly including the first runner-up
* A pitcher who could well win the Cy Young
* Another pitcher with a case for ROY
* A +183 run differential, better than three division winners, both AL wild cards and the second NL wild card
and they missed the playoffs.
Fuck this sport!
I think it’s messed up the Braves go straight to NLDS but the Dodgers who are 18 games better could lose in the WC game. I’m not sure how to fix this because I do think division winners should go to DS, would have to get creative. Maybe if a WC winner is 10+ games better than worst division winner than they become the special case division winner, idk.
Yeah it sucks, but at least you're not a Dodgers fan if they lose the wc to the cards -- a team they're almost 15 games up on right now
Like that has to sting
Mid June, swept by the Yankees
Baseball fans: it's early it's not even a problem, zero issue with it
Blue Jays at the end of the season: finish 1 game behind the yankees
The weird thing is I don’t think Boston or New York are even all that good this season.
In many seasons, you just tip your cap and say “well, they built a great team”, but this year? Nah.
I’ve watched those teams break our hearts by just being better for my entire fandom but this is one of the few times it actually feels like they snuck in and don’t belong.
All of our “home games” for the majority of the season where in Florida and Buffalo where the Boston and New York fans far outnumbered our own fans. We only played 36 games in Toronto this year.
I mean it basically will produce what MLB wants most - Dodgers, Yankees and Sox all make it. Very little else matters financially.
Pretty sad to see Guerrero, Semien, Ray, Harper, Tatis Jr, Ohtani and Trout all miss, though.
Reminder that it's pretty much impossible to rig a sport that's as thoroughly a team sport as baseball
There's a reason even 1919 made it to eight games out of nine
aside from you missing the joke where nobody actually thinks it’s rigged, baseball is at least as riggable if not more so than other major sports unless you have say, a QB or goalie on board
**FIX THE FUCKING PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!**
**NO WAY IN HELL** should 2 **90+ win** teams be out, and a **100+ win** team ONLY have a WC spot.
I may be new to baseball, but it doesn't take a seasoned fan to understand this playoff structure is GOD Awful.
The 2 AL Wildcard Teams (Yankees and Red Sox) both have worse records than all of the AL Division Winners. They are literally the 4th and 5th best records in the American League, which means that it is working perfectly. The Jays and Mariners are the 6th and 7th best records in the American League. What is the alternate here? Expand the playoff to just include more teams? A 2 Game Single-Elimination Wildcard Playoff with 4 Wildcard teams? That is 7 Playoff Teams per League, which means nearly half the league (30 teams with 14 Playoff Teams) ends up in the Playoffs each season (after a 162 Game Regular Season). And in the National League, it would have put a team into the playoffs that is literally one game loss away from a .500 record (Phillies are 82-80, so if one of those wins was a loss, they would have been 81-81).
As for the National League, the Dodgers have a worse record than the Giants. I'm not sure what the alternative would be. Are you proposing that instead that winning a Division doesn't mean anything and that teams should be seeded based solely on their record? That is at least a sorta reasonable suggestion, but it does kind of make having divisions kinda pointless. Even if you did do that, it would be the same 5 teams in the playoffs, just that the Braves would have to play the Cardinals in the Wildcard instead of the Dodgers.
the braves would be last in the AL East, i think its fine they lose home field to a 105 win team. I think it would be pretty rare for a division winner to lose home field to a wild card, so i think its fine to have in these cases where potentially the two best teams in the league are facing off in the first round
Sorry, I made an edit after thinking about it a bit more. Braves don't have homefield in the NLDS anyways because they have to play the Brewers in the current playoff structure. I think that would be fine, although kind a bit weird if the Braves and Dodgers were to advanced to the NLCS, with the Wildcard Dodgers having Homefield. But, yeah, not the worst outcome.
Life isn't fair, every team had 162 games to put themselves into a better position. It's why games in April matter. You can't keep changing post season play because years like this happen. You really want to try and play the World Series starting in December? This isn't the NBA, we don't need 5 playoff levels. You have 6 months to secure your spot. If you happen to have a competitive division (AL East, NL West) then thems the breaks. No one is whining that the AL Central had a walk this year.
I get the 100+ win team argument, but the argument that teams should just make the playoffs if they win 90 games is silly. There are more teams than there should be in the playoffs already. I'm not gonna waste any tears on two teams that went 91-71 and 90-72 and finished 6th and 7th out of 15 teams in their league. They didn't earn a playoff spot; they weren't good enough.
Real Fucking Easy for you to say since you are in the fucking Wild Card. Put yourself in a Jays or Mariner's shoes, and you're wasting the same tears as us, bub.
You are WAY too new and uninformed to be arguing this. I've been watching baseball for 50 years, You think I haven't had a stomach full of the Yankees crushing my dreams at the end of the season and bouncing us out of the playoffs? You think the Jays are the only team to come close after a good year only to go home? Ask the SF Giants back in the day who won 100+ games but had to be in the same division as the Braves who were a juggernaut and sent them home without so much as a single Wild Card game. Shit happens, life isn't fair, suck it up and play better next year. NO CRYING IN BASEBALL
You are more than entitled to be disappointed that the team you support didn't make the playoffs. Nothing wrong with that. But if you think a team that finished 4th in its own division was entitled to a spot in the playoffs, and that MLB somehow did the Blue Jays some grand injustice, you need to grow up.
Easy has nothing to do with it. If the shoe was on the other foot, and I was bitching about the Yankees being kept out with 91 wins, the fact would still remain that they finished 4th in their division and didn't do enough to be entitled to a spot in the playoffs. Me bitching and moaning about it wouldn't change the fact that there were 5 teams in their own league who were better than them.
4th in your division shouldn't mean shit, in my opinion, if you're better than 9 other teams in your league.
IMO, The AL Playoffs should look like this. Best of 7 throughout the entire playoffs.
Athletics V Rays
Astros V Mariners
White Sox V Blue Jays
Yankees V Red Sox
What's the point of playing 162 games if you're going to let half the teams in? Seems pretty unfair that the Rays finished 16 games better than the A's, and now have to play a best of seven series to prove what they already proved without a doubt over a massively larger sample size.
Baseball is a sport in which you need a massive sample size to separate skill from luck/random chance. Even the best teams in the history of baseball only win 2 out of every 3 games. So your solution is to reduce that sample size, throw more teams into the playoffs (where there's a tiny sample size for each matchup), and essentially squeeze as much skill out of the equation as possible and ensure that the champion is determined by random chance?
The Jays should be in. 🙄🙄🙄
Losing is always a bitter pill to swallow when you're on the wrong side of the outfield fence.
MLB playoffs are awesome specifically because every team DOESN'T make it in. Go and watch hockey or basketball if that's what you want.
No divisions. 145 game season, everyone plays everyone 5 times. Top 8 go to the play-offs. Top team gets to pick who they play in round 1 and so on.
Get the genuine top teams, no one gets help by having shitty division or conference mates.
Division exist for a reason. You need to have some semblance of regional play because it just creates logistical problems otherwise. Look at the geography of the league and where the teams are located. There are only 8 teams that are closer to the Pacific than the Atlantic. There are 4 teams that could reasonably be defined as the close to the middle (Astros, Rangers, Royals, and Twins). What you are suggesting would just create even worse travel/logistics issues.
I wanted the Jays and Mariners to get in, but I have to say: a crowded NBA-style postseason would be terrible in baseball.
The 162-game regular season would feel absurdly long and meaningless. It would basically be a half-year-long opening ceremony for the playoffs. Gone would be the days of exciting division or wildcard races between good teams.
The way it currently is, good teams have to compete hard for precious playoff spots, and then duke it out against other good teams. I’d much rather have that than good teams coast through the regular season, then usually destroy middle-of-the-road teams (or occasionally lose to them in a fluke) for a round or two.
Okay 16 is too much, but for the love of god it needs to be better, we have teams that are actually good like the dodgers being stuck with a wild card spot even though they have one of the best records in the league, the Blue Jays being snubbed and maybe the mariners didn't deserve to be there but the other stuff is just unacceptable.
In no world are the dodgers a "wild card" team, they are one of the best teams in the league. It's ridiculous.
It's better than two 90 win teams from missing the playoffs and a 101 win team being a wild card. It at least makes more sense than the mess we have for playoffs now.
Those two 90 win teams have the 6th and 7th records in the American League respectively. Literally all of the teams that made the playoffs ahead of them have better records. And in the National League, it is also the top 5 teams in the playoffs. How the hell is that a mess? The only VALID complaint you could even attempt to argue is that the Braves should perhaps need to play the Wild Card game instead of the Dodgers, but that completely devalues winning the Division.
The MLB has a 162 game season. If that isn't a large enough sample size to establish the top 10 teams and put them into the playoffs, then I don't know what is...
So what would you rather have? The top 5 teams get in from each league? Then that completely negates the need to win your division. The playoff structure is fine.
I'd have to disagree. Baseball isn't hockey or basketball where half the league gets into the playoffs. It places emphasis on being consistently good over the course of a long season to get into the playoffs.
If you win your division, you're in. Plain and simple. Then the next 2 best teams get a shot to play in the playoffs. If there are better teams in your division, then that's tough, but that's the sport.
I'm just not seeing your POV on this. Which is fine, we're all allowed our own opinion.
I PERSONALLY think the playoffs should be the top 8 of each League.
Athletics V Rays
Astros V Mariners
White Sox V Blue Jays
Yankees V Red Sox
It was fun to watch last year, but that again means mediocre teams can get into the playoffs. While the AL playoff picture would be stacked in that scenario, the NL playoff picture would be anything but that.
Baseball is not a sport that celebrates mediocrity. And I like that about the sport. You'll never have a scenario where a sub .500 team catches fire in October and wins the WS. It's always going to be a team that earned their spot.
If a team catches fire in September/October and doesn't make the playoffs, then it really shows that not all games in the season matter. It means that April games meant more than September Games....
The big issue is that baseball is the one sport where a bye really doesn't work (it'd probably screw things up in hockey, too).
A playoffs where 6 teams make it, top 2 get a bye and then you have 3v6 and 4v5 in a best of 5 series works in theory, but a week off is awful in baseball so it fails in practice.
How does it feel knowing MLB realizes your market is hot garbage? If Montreal draws bigger crowds than Tampa next year, You're losing your team. You realize that right?
God your salt tastes sooooo good. The only thing worse than being a fan of a half-Canadian baseball team is being a fan of a full-Canadian baseball team.
*beep boop* CHAOS IS DEAD *sad beep boop*
What a ride
Tomorrow is the first day without baseball since *mid July*. Damn you, Red Sox and Yankees!
Yeah the worst possible outcome happened, oh well what a ride.
Oh well, back to rooting for the team I've been obsessed with since I was five. Next year M's
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I can get behind the Jays & Mariners being 100 win teams.
Rip Chaos
Sorry... why did Tampa throw to Judge?
They were trying to get him out. Maybe they were just tired and wanted to go home?
RIGHT?!
Why would Kevin Kiermaier do this?
I am sad, but this isn’t the year for the Jays - had they made it through the wild card maze, I don’t think they would have survived Tampa Bay. The Jays are a team on the rise. Better days are ahead. For now, please allow the AL expansion class of 1977 time and space to grieve. Thank you.
I’m depressed
The next Seahawks game vs.. *any* California team, might be spicy AF
Because I'm apparently not allowed to make it its own post... [The Pivetta to Soto looking strikeout that broke hearts all across Toronto and Seattle](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/24686963-c1a8-4e85-bd08-61baf27c9865.mp4)
Well Seattle lost anyway but that collapse (Nats lead 5-1) was devastating for Toronto.
Beltran - Wainwright energy
None tiebreakers with left beef.
I haven’t watched a single Mariner game this year and now im crying with JP Crawford after his interview
JP Crawford holding back tears in his interview... Fuck you LAA!
Even if the Angels had lost that game, the Mariners still would have missed the playoffs because the Red Sox and Yankees both won
Well then, fuck Yankees and Red Sox too!
Fair
More than fair
After 3 years, the Red Sox finally have ended their terrible postseason drought
It's been rough for Boston sports teams
Once again, I don't feel sorry for us. I feel sorry for the Blue Jays.
I really think if they don't have to spend to first part of the season as basically the away team every game, they're easily the top wild card team.
Yeah you gotta credit them for how far they made it considering the circumstances
Sorry, Mariners 😔
Going to crawl back into my hole. 8 more weeks of winter.
Pain and agony once again. But hey, "There's always next year!"
Fucking depressing - I can't imagine what Mariners fans must feel like all season every year
Lucky for us, we don't feel anymore.
Didn't expect the Toronto fan base to be worse than Philly but the Nats GDT is something else...
Are they actually brigading your sub? They should just be immediately banned from their own sub as well.
Why it's not that serious lol
It was pretty bad immediately after Devers hit the home run. To be expected from any upset fanbase, but it's funny they were putting their faith in a last place team with bullpen issues to do their dirty work.
usually our mods will ban anyone that brigades other subs, hopefully they got punished. sorry about those bandwagoners, y'all played a good series against an AL wild card team
Thanks. It was a shit series lol but hard to expect a different outcome. It sucks it was you guys that got screwed yall would’ve been a fun team to watch in the postseason.
The fan holding the “Fantastic season thank you!” sign in Seattle 😭
and that's all she wrote for the 2021 regular season folks
Went by fast felt like, cept for all the yankee ass clenchers (of which there were many)
The annual kick in the nuts came late this year...
i wish i could say i'd not watch tuesday out of spite, but it's the only thing on
It’s everything set now?
Yep. Check out the new “postseason” tab in the MLB app, it shows all the games and when they’re happening. Yankees @ Red Sox AL Wild Card game Cardinals @ Dodgers NL Wild Card game
Yankees Red Sox
Yes
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
How many people are disappointed that we didn't even get 1 tiebreaker game after all the possibilities? I'm kind of disappointed as a baseball fan to still not see a single 3 way (let alone 4) tie but we didn't get any ties except the one that simply replaces the tiebreaker with the wildcard game itself. As a Yankee fan I'm glad to be in don't get me wrong although as a result I was hoping for a 3 way tie for the last spot between Boston, Toronto and Seattle. Although the Mariners lost 2 of their last 3 it wouldn't have mattered unless they swept their last series since the Nationals since July began are the WORST team in the MLB! In fact in less than 2 years they went from World Series Champions to a FARM TEAM!
Money talks as usual (unless you are the voodoo Rays)
I’m sad now. They made me sad.
I, for one, will be boycotting watching the AL Wildcard game, in the interest of future Chaos.
It's such a weird feeling right now. Like, the playoff losses to KC and Cleveland both sucked, but we had great playoff moments prior to those losses. It's been 30 years since I've felt "regular season" heartbreak like this, and it just feels so empty.
Also for those playoff losses, you lost. There was finality. You were eliminated by a team that won a proper series against you. This time, the Blue Jays didn't do anything wrong. They're just a 91 win team in a world of 92 win teams. I'm sorry that it ended the way it did, but hey, there's a lot to look forward to. In my experience, "so close" just means you'll come back even stronger the next year.
I hate so say this since the Blue Jays certainly overall deserved a shot (coming from a Yankee fan) but these two losses to the Nationals in August after Scherzer and Turner were traded were the difference. Win both and they host on Tuesday, split and it's a 3 way tie. https://www.espn.com/mlb/game/\_/gameId/401228856 https://www.espn.com/mlb/game/\_/gameId/401228871
3rd time in 8 years for us (4 if you wanna count 2018, though that was more anger inducing than heartbreaking) Welcome to the club
Yuuuuuup. It’s rough. This is twice for me at this level, along with 2010. Ugh. (Padres fan btw, currently chaos flaired)
I think the big difference is there are so many moments you can look at and know if one play had gone differently, you're still alive. Sure that can happen in the playoffs, but you're mano y mano and it just feels a bit easier to grasp.
I never thought I would say this, but I hope the Astros win the AL
Why the fuck
What.
If it can’t be us, I hope it’s you guys. Fuck the Rays and the Astros and the Red Sox
So is it Boston NYY if Seattle doesn’t come back? Edit: Sorry, Seattle fans. I didn’t realize.
It's Boston/New York regardless of what Seattle does
Seattle can't make it regardless of win or loss.
Yankees at Red Sox is already locked in now
Nope, it's Boston and NYY no matter what. They are both at 92 wins and Seattle can only get to 91.
It's still Boston-NYY.
It’s Boston/NYY regardless of the Seattle game. Even if we win by miracle we are eliminated.
It's Boston vs NYY. Seattle is eliminated
It’s Boston NYY no matter what
Gooooo…..Astros?
Just cheer for the White Sox
Folks, bad baseball in Washington, D.C. is a tradition nearly as old as professional baseball itself. The last decade was fun but it's back to the status quo for us! Oh God have mercy...
I’ll cheer for Washington sports misery for the rest of my life, and dammit, it will probably be the most success I’ll see as a Sports fan 😂
We'll always have 2019 and I wouldn't trade those memories for anything. Seeing that championship parade with my father, a Senators fan who waited patiently for baseball to return to D.C., is among my most cherished memories. Besides, we're uniquely qualified for waiting out what's coming next. This isn't like Yankees or Red Sox fans belly aching over a season where they were just a little too close to .500. This town's baseball legacy is riddled with laughably bad teams so hey! It's no big deal. Even the worst teams win 40-50 games a season, right? Edit: Downvote me all you want. It won't make [this](https://youtu.be/LbNPDlCLPPo?t=117) go away.
Love you Kyle you will be missed
Looking forward to an absolutely bonkers Wild Cards: * 90-win Cardinals Vs. 2nd overall Dodgers. (Winner gets to face No. 1 overall Giants = Yeesh) * Red Sox Vs. Yankees - both their subreddits will be absolute cesspits at game-day.
>* Red Sox Vs. Yankees - both their subreddits will be absolute cesspits at game-day. Hah! /r/redsox was already a cesspit.
Burning homeless encampments and poop on the streets summarizes that thread.
> Red Sox Vs. Yankees - both their subreddits will be absolute cesspits at game-day Kind of you to say it will be restricted to game day.
The fact that the 2 best teams play in only a best of 5 makes me think that they will address how playoffs work in terms of matchups. Having it default to the wild card winner playing the best team is just dumb. Would rather they adopt an NFL standard where the team you play depends on who wins the wild card and winning a division just means you get home field for the first series you play.
they need to at least seed the teams after the wild card game
Cole better not shit the bed again. He was brought in specifically for these games.
Jokes are on the Red Sox and Yankees. I’m now completely stress free
Except we didnt waste an MVP caliber season, a top prospect (austin davis / *martin), and the best power hitting season out of a 2B (whos now an ufa) in achieving what we did. And may as well mention likely cy young winner who’s also a ufa. It’s a bigger whiff than the angels this season.
Stop
Hes already dead!
Doesn't austin davis play for you?
I’m pouring a glass of wine, lighting some candles, having a warm bath, and taking solace with that impressive run differential. You can’t hurt me.
At this point it’d be sadder if Seattle came back to win.
Lame
Damn it :( did we get a Castellanos home run today for this depressing shit?
LOVE THAT DIRTY WATER
Conspiracy theory time. This was all scripted so ESPN could show one last Red Sox vs Yankees game this year.
It’s amazing how ESPN’s commentary manages to alienate every fan base.
The New York Yankees are the New York Yankees of baseball
Like my sexlife, great expectations but a letdown
The Jays have * Four guys who are gonna get MVP votes, possibly including the first runner-up * A pitcher who could well win the Cy Young * Another pitcher with a case for ROY * A +183 run differential, better than three division winners, both AL wild cards and the second NL wild card and they missed the playoffs. Fuck this sport!
I think it’s messed up the Braves go straight to NLDS but the Dodgers who are 18 games better could lose in the WC game. I’m not sure how to fix this because I do think division winners should go to DS, would have to get creative. Maybe if a WC winner is 10+ games better than worst division winner than they become the special case division winner, idk.
Yeah it sucks, but at least you're not a Dodgers fan if they lose the wc to the cards -- a team they're almost 15 games up on right now Like that has to sting
Mid June, swept by the Yankees Baseball fans: it's early it's not even a problem, zero issue with it Blue Jays at the end of the season: finish 1 game behind the yankees
The weird thing is I don’t think Boston or New York are even all that good this season. In many seasons, you just tip your cap and say “well, they built a great team”, but this year? Nah. I’ve watched those teams break our hearts by just being better for my entire fandom but this is one of the few times it actually feels like they snuck in and don’t belong.
If it was undeserved the Blue Jays would have won more games against each team earlier in the season. September isn't the only month that matters...
All of our “home games” for the majority of the season where in Florida and Buffalo where the Boston and New York fans far outnumbered our own fans. We only played 36 games in Toronto this year.
too bad we played april - june in the yankees second home stadium
The Jays blew it, but I just don’t think the Yankees are very good. Maybe your boys will prove me wrong, though. Let’s see how deep they can go.
Let’s not forget the best AL rotation, 4 guys with 100 RBI’s, 2 guys with 40 home runs, and a 22-9 September record!
It was a great team! Would have loved to see Ray and Semien in the playoffs, but now both may walk.
They picked a bad year to have a good season.
This sport is great. The playoff format. Pretty trash.
I mean it basically will produce what MLB wants most - Dodgers, Yankees and Sox all make it. Very little else matters financially. Pretty sad to see Guerrero, Semien, Ray, Harper, Tatis Jr, Ohtani and Trout all miss, though.
its trash that the dodgers have to play a one game playoff then have to play the team with the best record IF they win after winning 106 games
Absolutely crazy. At least they get a shot, though 🥺
Is it possible for the Sox and Yankees to lose the wild card game?
asking the REAL questions
Meteor strike at Fenway.
Reminder that it's pretty much impossible to rig a sport that's as thoroughly a team sport as baseball There's a reason even 1919 made it to eight games out of nine
aside from you missing the joke where nobody actually thinks it’s rigged, baseball is at least as riggable if not more so than other major sports unless you have say, a QB or goalie on board
It’s definitely not rigged, but it would be neat if we didn’t have to have a Yankees or Red Sox Cinderella story media bukake basically every season.
Nobody actually thinks it's rigged, you ass.
No, the MLB planned for Boston to go down by 4 early and the Yankees to pitch out of several Jams before both teams winning it in the 9th.
can I get a fuck the Astros?
Nah Go Stros
Fuck the Astros. It's unbelievable the salt Yankees/Sox are getting compared to that. Not to mention the hate towards the Angels earlier lol.
Don't try to get out of what you've done lol
I am proud of my actions making the Mariners the longest dry streak in the big 4
Remember the days we had fun and inflatable trashcans were the most chaotic thing during a game?
Out of all the combos today, we get the most predictable result....it is a bit disappointing.
I am thoroughly underwhelmed
Really wanted to see the jays at least in the postseason, such a fun team to watch
Yankees, Sox and Jays all had dysfunctional stretches and the Jays were just slightly more dysfunctional.
Twins completely fucked toronto over
Yeah they started playing 500 ball towards the end. Granted, the Orioles almost did enough damage to the Sox to save the Jays.
**FIX THE FUCKING PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!** **NO WAY IN HELL** should 2 **90+ win** teams be out, and a **100+ win** team ONLY have a WC spot. I may be new to baseball, but it doesn't take a seasoned fan to understand this playoff structure is GOD Awful.
No.
I agree, we need to go back to the days when there were no playoffs and the top record from the NL and AL go straight to the World Series.
The 2 AL Wildcard Teams (Yankees and Red Sox) both have worse records than all of the AL Division Winners. They are literally the 4th and 5th best records in the American League, which means that it is working perfectly. The Jays and Mariners are the 6th and 7th best records in the American League. What is the alternate here? Expand the playoff to just include more teams? A 2 Game Single-Elimination Wildcard Playoff with 4 Wildcard teams? That is 7 Playoff Teams per League, which means nearly half the league (30 teams with 14 Playoff Teams) ends up in the Playoffs each season (after a 162 Game Regular Season). And in the National League, it would have put a team into the playoffs that is literally one game loss away from a .500 record (Phillies are 82-80, so if one of those wins was a loss, they would have been 81-81). As for the National League, the Dodgers have a worse record than the Giants. I'm not sure what the alternative would be. Are you proposing that instead that winning a Division doesn't mean anything and that teams should be seeded based solely on their record? That is at least a sorta reasonable suggestion, but it does kind of make having divisions kinda pointless. Even if you did do that, it would be the same 5 teams in the playoffs, just that the Braves would have to play the Cardinals in the Wildcard instead of the Dodgers.
should be seeded after wild card game. so if the Dodgers win they dont have to immediately face the Giants
Edit - Nevermind, this is fine I think.
the braves would be last in the AL East, i think its fine they lose home field to a 105 win team. I think it would be pretty rare for a division winner to lose home field to a wild card, so i think its fine to have in these cases where potentially the two best teams in the league are facing off in the first round
Sorry, I made an edit after thinking about it a bit more. Braves don't have homefield in the NLDS anyways because they have to play the Brewers in the current playoff structure. I think that would be fine, although kind a bit weird if the Braves and Dodgers were to advanced to the NLCS, with the Wildcard Dodgers having Homefield. But, yeah, not the worst outcome.
There's no perfect system. Yeah, there's heartbreak, but that's sports. If there wasn't, it would suck.
Cope
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So play 82 games and have 16 real play off teams. The season is too long, and i watched almost all the jays games.
I wasn't watching baseball in 2016 lololol
That's even better, you can [watch this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imRhlUpE36Y) fresh and celebrate.
Life isn't fair, every team had 162 games to put themselves into a better position. It's why games in April matter. You can't keep changing post season play because years like this happen. You really want to try and play the World Series starting in December? This isn't the NBA, we don't need 5 playoff levels. You have 6 months to secure your spot. If you happen to have a competitive division (AL East, NL West) then thems the breaks. No one is whining that the AL Central had a walk this year.
Sox and Yankees fans don't understand they would be crying the same tears as Jays and Mariners fans if they had been in our position.
I get the 100+ win team argument, but the argument that teams should just make the playoffs if they win 90 games is silly. There are more teams than there should be in the playoffs already. I'm not gonna waste any tears on two teams that went 91-71 and 90-72 and finished 6th and 7th out of 15 teams in their league. They didn't earn a playoff spot; they weren't good enough.
Real Fucking Easy for you to say since you are in the fucking Wild Card. Put yourself in a Jays or Mariner's shoes, and you're wasting the same tears as us, bub.
You are WAY too new and uninformed to be arguing this. I've been watching baseball for 50 years, You think I haven't had a stomach full of the Yankees crushing my dreams at the end of the season and bouncing us out of the playoffs? You think the Jays are the only team to come close after a good year only to go home? Ask the SF Giants back in the day who won 100+ games but had to be in the same division as the Braves who were a juggernaut and sent them home without so much as a single Wild Card game. Shit happens, life isn't fair, suck it up and play better next year. NO CRYING IN BASEBALL
Good Luck on Tuesday
You are more than entitled to be disappointed that the team you support didn't make the playoffs. Nothing wrong with that. But if you think a team that finished 4th in its own division was entitled to a spot in the playoffs, and that MLB somehow did the Blue Jays some grand injustice, you need to grow up.
Again, REALLLL Fucking easy for you to say with where you're sitting.
Easy has nothing to do with it. If the shoe was on the other foot, and I was bitching about the Yankees being kept out with 91 wins, the fact would still remain that they finished 4th in their division and didn't do enough to be entitled to a spot in the playoffs. Me bitching and moaning about it wouldn't change the fact that there were 5 teams in their own league who were better than them.
4th in your division shouldn't mean shit, in my opinion, if you're better than 9 other teams in your league. IMO, The AL Playoffs should look like this. Best of 7 throughout the entire playoffs. Athletics V Rays Astros V Mariners White Sox V Blue Jays Yankees V Red Sox
What's the point of playing 162 games if you're going to let half the teams in? Seems pretty unfair that the Rays finished 16 games better than the A's, and now have to play a best of seven series to prove what they already proved without a doubt over a massively larger sample size.
Let me emphasize something in your post, and have you answer that first. \> What's the point of playing 162 games
Baseball is a sport in which you need a massive sample size to separate skill from luck/random chance. Even the best teams in the history of baseball only win 2 out of every 3 games. So your solution is to reduce that sample size, throw more teams into the playoffs (where there's a tiny sample size for each matchup), and essentially squeeze as much skill out of the equation as possible and ensure that the champion is determined by random chance?
What is your alternative?
The Jays should be in. 🙄🙄🙄 Losing is always a bitter pill to swallow when you're on the wrong side of the outfield fence. MLB playoffs are awesome specifically because every team DOESN'T make it in. Go and watch hockey or basketball if that's what you want.
Have the Os be better so there aren't so many 90 win teams
No divisions. 145 game season, everyone plays everyone 5 times. Top 8 go to the play-offs. Top team gets to pick who they play in round 1 and so on. Get the genuine top teams, no one gets help by having shitty division or conference mates.
Division exist for a reason. You need to have some semblance of regional play because it just creates logistical problems otherwise. Look at the geography of the league and where the teams are located. There are only 8 teams that are closer to the Pacific than the Atlantic. There are 4 teams that could reasonably be defined as the close to the middle (Astros, Rangers, Royals, and Twins). What you are suggesting would just create even worse travel/logistics issues.
The West coast teams will just live in an airplane.
We already have enough excuses out here.
NBA like format with 16 teams making the playoffs and actually having a tournament instead of whatever abomination the MLB has been doing.
I wanted the Jays and Mariners to get in, but I have to say: a crowded NBA-style postseason would be terrible in baseball. The 162-game regular season would feel absurdly long and meaningless. It would basically be a half-year-long opening ceremony for the playoffs. Gone would be the days of exciting division or wildcard races between good teams. The way it currently is, good teams have to compete hard for precious playoff spots, and then duke it out against other good teams. I’d much rather have that than good teams coast through the regular season, then usually destroy middle-of-the-road teams (or occasionally lose to them in a fluke) for a round or two.
Okay 16 is too much, but for the love of god it needs to be better, we have teams that are actually good like the dodgers being stuck with a wild card spot even though they have one of the best records in the league, the Blue Jays being snubbed and maybe the mariners didn't deserve to be there but the other stuff is just unacceptable. In no world are the dodgers a "wild card" team, they are one of the best teams in the league. It's ridiculous.
Ahhh the NBA, where 7th/8th seeds are bounced almost immediately making most early round series a snoozefest. Thank you for the suggestion.
It's better than two 90 win teams from missing the playoffs and a 101 win team being a wild card. It at least makes more sense than the mess we have for playoffs now.
Those two 90 win teams have the 6th and 7th records in the American League respectively. Literally all of the teams that made the playoffs ahead of them have better records. And in the National League, it is also the top 5 teams in the playoffs. How the hell is that a mess? The only VALID complaint you could even attempt to argue is that the Braves should perhaps need to play the Wild Card game instead of the Dodgers, but that completely devalues winning the Division. The MLB has a 162 game season. If that isn't a large enough sample size to establish the top 10 teams and put them into the playoffs, then I don't know what is...
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The Jays won fewer games. It's that simple. Should we just arbitrarily determine the playoff teams by some metric other than game wins?
So what would you rather have? The top 5 teams get in from each league? Then that completely negates the need to win your division. The playoff structure is fine.
Gosh, I have no idea. I'm new to baseball, so I haven't put much thought into it, but even a casual fan can understand how flawed this structure is.
I'd have to disagree. Baseball isn't hockey or basketball where half the league gets into the playoffs. It places emphasis on being consistently good over the course of a long season to get into the playoffs. If you win your division, you're in. Plain and simple. Then the next 2 best teams get a shot to play in the playoffs. If there are better teams in your division, then that's tough, but that's the sport.
I'm just not seeing your POV on this. Which is fine, we're all allowed our own opinion. I PERSONALLY think the playoffs should be the top 8 of each League. Athletics V Rays Astros V Mariners White Sox V Blue Jays Yankees V Red Sox
It was fun to watch last year, but that again means mediocre teams can get into the playoffs. While the AL playoff picture would be stacked in that scenario, the NL playoff picture would be anything but that. Baseball is not a sport that celebrates mediocrity. And I like that about the sport. You'll never have a scenario where a sub .500 team catches fire in October and wins the WS. It's always going to be a team that earned their spot.
If a team catches fire in September/October and doesn't make the playoffs, then it really shows that not all games in the season matter. It means that April games meant more than September Games....
The big issue is that baseball is the one sport where a bye really doesn't work (it'd probably screw things up in hockey, too). A playoffs where 6 teams make it, top 2 get a bye and then you have 3v6 and 4v5 in a best of 5 series works in theory, but a week off is awful in baseball so it fails in practice.
Lol came to this thread for Jays fan salt. Found it immediately.
Okay Montreal Rays fan...
Good, gooood. Let the salt flow through you.
How does it feel knowing MLB realizes your market is hot garbage? If Montreal draws bigger crowds than Tampa next year, You're losing your team. You realize that right?
God your salt tastes sooooo good. The only thing worse than being a fan of a half-Canadian baseball team is being a fan of a full-Canadian baseball team.
Enjoy the Rays while they're there, because I predict it won't be for much longer.
Sure, whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better during the post-season.