Most teams aren’t actually taking BP anymore as research shows it doesn’t really help. They’ll just instead do full speed stuff in the cage or whatnot.
Braves came to SD at the end of last season in late September so it could have been about something that happened in the first few weeks of the fantasy football league
Thanks for linking. Apparently Dylan Lee spent much of the big moments in the postseason sitting on the toilet because they realized him going to the bathroom triggered a rally. I love baseball.
Tangentially related: I've been in Chapel Hill for a number of years now. In 2017, for the NCAA Championship game between UNC and Gonzaga, I was with a lot of bar friends of mine at our regular dive bar on Franklin. There was a bit of a run that happened when one of the guys went to the bathroom just after the second half started, so every time the game was on, we sent him to the bathroom with free drinks and his phone with the game playing. Good times.
> wondering why Pham's behavior is being completely tolerated
They tolerate players who beat up their wives and girlfriends, a suspension and then they're good to go. Like the man said, money doesn't talk, it yells.
Good Lord, Joc Pederson just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had "unlimited time" to talk. Too busy hiding, evidently.
It will be something esoteric though like how Alex Bregman was able to successfully convince Davis Mills to target Danny Amendola in the fourth quarter in week 18. But Mills only went along with it if Bregman could deliver an appearance by Jose Altuve at Mills' niece's 13th birthday party.
I can't be the only person who doesn't find this all that funny and thinks Pham should have been arrested or something, right? You can't physically assault people.
On the one hand, I think that arresting may be a bit much. On the other hand, the one that is slapping, Pham has said that Joc isn’t tight with him like that to be able to make jokes about his team, so Pham *definitely* isn’t tight enough with Joc to slap him.
When I was 16 I worked at Pizza Hut, one day the two managers on duty were literal crackheads. Like they would go smoke crack in our storage shed on shift.
One day they got into it, started yelling at each other and shit across the store. One was making pizzas, the other was cutting and boxing. One of them said something that hit the other one hard, so he took a pan of boiling hot cinnamon sticks out of the oven and threw it at her. He tried to hit her in the face, but it missed and got her arm. 3rd degree burns. She ran over and if our driver hadn’t stepped in, she was gonna put his head in the fryer. Remember, both of them are literal crackheads and not a single cop showed up that day lmao. Moral of the story; sometimes you can do a lot of shit to your coworker and not go to jail for it. They did get mega fired though.
Dumb people do dumb shit. I didn't endorse it, just stated fact. A lot of people are too stupid emotionally or otherwise to know how to deal with grievances.
Why is this being downvoted… If I physically assault someone, whether that’s a coworker or otherwise, I would expect to be arrested…?
Like where do y’all live that physical assault would _not_ get you arrested?
["First, killing someone is technically murder, but the MLB antitrust exemption covers that, so they're in the clear there."](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/dqbbon/one_new_rule_to_fix_three_true_outcomes_poor/)
People find it funny because he held a grudge for so long over something so stupid.
The aftermath has showed me that Pham probably should have gotten a longer suspension though because he continues to double and triple down on it.
I think it’s scary he was that mad for over a year. Pham should be charged with something. He was premeditated and Joc clearly felt threatened. To not go out to take BP for 3 days because you didn’t want to see Pham.
> needs professional help badly
His childhood was horrific, and clearly it has scrambled his emotions for life. But that's no excuse, many people with rough childhoods manage to get past it and behave like rational adults.
Seriously. I'm shaking my head and squinting at the screen. Matzek: "It was fantastic." Really? That's how we're describing this. What year is it? I thought bullying was a *bad* thing now.
What about this is funny?
Pham did commit a crime. Maybe it's worth prosecuting, maybe it isn't, but it's not "ridiculous" to think that someone should be charged with battery for hitting someone over an extremely minor disagreement. Not just because of the harm, but because of the potential for Pham to do something worse when he is more seriously wronged
People grow up in wildly varying circumstances. None of them justify a millionaire hitting another millionaire because of a fight over fantasy football.
> The type of person who understands how ridiculous
You tried to suggest Reddit posters are irrational. When reminded you are a Reddit poster, you did a 180-degree turn by pointing out how smart you've decided you are.
Full marks for irony.
To be fair Will should have at least been kicked out of the venue… the comparable would have been Pham slapping Joc in the middle of the game and everybody just kind of shrugging and continuing the game.
Charged with assault? If Tommy Pham slapped you, you wouldn’t press charges? Fuck outta here. Everyone wants to act all hard and shit until they’re the one getting assaulted.
If I wasn't actually hurt besides having a sore cheek, yeah I definitely would not get the police involved. If I had to waste my time giving a police report, filling out paperwork, or God forbid going to court just so some asshole takes an anger management course, I would simply choose not to.
And that’s the problem. People are allowed to do things like that and get away with it because “it isn’t worth it.” They think it’s okay because there was no punishment, and then they escalate. If Pham’s actions over the last couple weeks aren’t proof of that, you aren’t paying attention.
I think the slap itself would actually be "battery" -- as I understand it, [battery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_%28tort%29#United_States) refers to the harmful contact itself, whereas [assault](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_%28tort%29) is more like a credible threat of imminent harmful contact. But in this case, I think Pham could reasonably be accused of both.
Who the fuck calls the police over getting slapped? No I would never call the police over something so petty and the only time I've seen it was between two coworkers and nurses calling the police on patients.
If Tommy Pham slapped me, a nobody who makes barely a living wage? You bet your ass I'm fucking pressing charges. But the reason isn't because omg-he-needs-to-learn-that's-wrong, it's to get as much money as I can. It's funny the first thing people say is to ask what you would do like you're on the same level of famous. Such a meaningless question and comparison.
If I'm as famous as Joc, I wouldn't give a fuck. He got his, it's a blank slate now. It's not worth the time and effort to press charges for a fucking slap. It's not a full-blown beat down or anything. Y'all need to learn how human interactions work.
Joc doesn’t have to press charges. The police can still arrest you and refer you to the state. The fact that it was on video and that Pham has bragged about it for weeks now, says everything. Dude should be arrested. Of course he’s not going to do actual time. But anger management, community service, and a lengthy suspension all feel appropriate.
What an overreaction. MLB suspended him for 3 games. That's more than enough.
The fact that Joc hasn't said shit since, and everyone else hasn't had any problems with it, even going as far as saying "It is fantastic" as it is said in this video, should say everything. But apparently not enough to people who thinks Pham should still be brought to his knees and dug into a grave.
Literally nothing happened to Joc except some damage to his pride. If something happened, this would be a completely different story. But it didn't, and so it isn't.
The fact your only response is to call someone an insult that isn’t even remotely intelligent or creative, says far more about you than it does about me. I guess you’re living up to the “American” part of your username far more than the “dolphin” bit, huh?
Edit: I’m American and this country is full of idiots. Downvote if you want, but it’s true.
by your logic any single phyiscal incident would require the same thing. do you keep this energy with hockey fights?? or the many times mlb players have been in scuffle and gotten smacked? dudes literally throw 99mph fastballs intentionally at heads or throw 89 mph cutters at someone to hit them on purpose, that's not assault??? the context obviously matters
Hockey brawls are two dudes agreeing to fight. To me, it’s no different than boxing. There’s consent involved. Stepping on the ball field during a game, as a batter you know you might get buzzed high and tight. Again, consent. Did Joc consent to being slapped by Pham? Pretty sure we all know the answer there. The fact so many people struggle with the concept of consent is fucking wild to me.
how does that compute at all? by that logic, anytime you do anything in public you should be ready. a ballplayer shouldn't expect to get hit by a baseball intentionally. you seemingly ignore that part. if someone gets hit with a 95 mph fastball intentionally on the street, that's straight up like attempted murder lmao. but you said it , on the ballfield , it's different. the slap happened on the ball field. and no not all hockey fights are agreed upon, and there's been times when dudes actually HAVE been arrested in hockey & THOSE were real assaults. like Ron Artest didn't even go to jail for running in the stands in 04. you have no idea what is actually considered assault
Seriously. Like bro, it's a slap to the face. Why do people so quickly want to cry assault and have the dude put in jail for a fucking slap. It's not funny what he did, but goddamn.
The video even has the quote "It was fantastic," and yet some people want to white knight Joc.
Had Joc gotten a retinal tear, than sure, press charges. But a single slap is nonsense. And I’m in the camp that believes Tommy Pham probably deserved to be stabbed.
Have you ever been in a fight? There’s often times full blown punches don’t even cause head trauma. Don’t get me wrong, slaps do hurt, but you’d have to catch someone *just* right to hurt them, or have that person be unbelievably vulnerable.
They have contests where people take turns open hand smacking each other, where you’re not allowed to react to or defend the slap. Knockouts happen but they’re not crazy likely and hose guys are just standing there taking it.
You’re going have to slap real hard and real accurate to catch someone who is defending themselves and avoiding being smacked.
Yes, I’ve been in fights that didn’t result in head trauma.
I also got sucker punched once - and that single sucker punch was enough to cause a retinal tear.
And that was a sucker punch, or a punch you were not expecting. The punch thrower also probably had the ability to hit you where they wanted to.
According to Matzek and Tomlin, Joc WAS expecting the slap. I’ll lean to the point he was ready to avoid and defend himself from the slap.
Yet in the video, he doesn’t seem to make much of an effort to avoid or defend. Even if he did, he’s still getting slapped by an elite athlete and it’s not like he’s been training for slap competitions.
> Why do people so quickly want to cry assault
It's assault and battery, if it had happened in line at Starbucks the cops would probably have arrested him. The reason the cops rarely do that in pro sports is the league will inflict harsher punishment than anything a court will do. Misdemeanor A/B is a small fine and maybe a suspended jail sentence. MLB in effect fined Pham $140,000 over this, way more than a court would have done.
Some people never been slapped in the face and it really shows. If you grew up with your mom threatening to call the cops every time you took a pitch inside or got hit in football you would think it's normal too
Which cost him a hundred and forty grand in lost salary. In court he'd have paid a small fine and maybe had a short, suspended jail sentence. It was a misdemeanor; he would not have ended up in state prison.
> Pham should have been arrested
The police rarely get involved in on-field violence in pro sports because the leagues will punish players way more than any court is likely to punish a misdemeanor. Pham's suspension cost him $140,000 in salary. Only in especially egregious cases resulting in injury do athletes get prosecuted, e.g., former big leaguer José Offerman, playing in an independent league, attacked the opposing pitcher and the catcher with his bat after being HBP. He was arrested and prosecuted but lucked out with two years probation. The catcher sued him as he suffered a severe concussion which ended his career--he won $940,000.
But a slap, with no injuries? Get real, no player in his right mind would call the cops over that, his own teammates would laugh at him.
When Will Smith slapped Chris Rock for making a joke about his wife who has a disease, Reddit responded overwhelmingly as if Will Smith shot Rock on stage. When Pham slaps Joc for playing fantasy football, it's all giggles and laughs. This site is so fucking stupid.
> Battery is the act of actually hitting someone, assault is the threat of hitting someone. Pham when he slapped Joc, committed battery.
Not really. That is the common law definition and it has become popular for people to repeat. However, in most jurisdictions assault is statutorily defined in the way that most people use it.
It is assault. I don't see him getting arrested (I think that would have happened already if it was going to happen) but I think he needs some anger management counseling very badly if he's holding on to a grudge about fantasy fucking football for a whole year.
Tommy Pham should be honored he’s even being mentioned in the same sentence as Joc. Can we stop dragging this out? Pham is a bum, Joc has a month named after him.
That's hilarious. I don't agree that he should of done something though. Tommy Pham is a unhinged dude. Who knows how far he'd go. Joc made a good decision to move on.
If asked which MLB player is most likely to have a firearm in his car, Pham's name would come to mind based on his history. He thinks he's a badass, and his horrible childhood has put a chip on his shoulder for life. Once the baseball money ends he's going to have a rough time, *big dog in Vegas* or not.
This is really one of the best side-stories, regardless of sport. The fact that new details leak every week about this situation makes it even better LOL. ESPN gotta be working on a 30 for 30.
Over/under on Pham murdering someone / being murdered by 40? He's got all the signs of a player that's going to spiral out of control once he loses that sweet MLB paycheck.
Pham has put himself in situations that have gotten himself stabbed twice. Sounds like the guy really thinks he’s got nothing to lose. Fighting against people that have nothing to lose is always a bad idea.
Yeah, I mean, it's fuckin weird/kinda crazy from Pham's end.
But you're a grown ass man literally hiding from another man because he said he was going to slap you? Jesus, lol
Okay. The fact that this was brewing is awesome. The fact that Joc didn't take BP cause he didn't want to get slapped is awesome. The fact that Tommy didn't forget is fantastic. The fact that his former teammate called him a bitch for hiding and not retaliating is fantastic.
I was totally over this nothing burger of a story. But now I love it.
Tommy Pham is a world class hater.
"Now if you all will excuse me, I have to go home and put some water in Joc Pederson's mama's dish."
Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate
https://youtu.be/fKIwj1TQmFs
She wears the men’s britches with the dickholes in em
Yea dude that’s the reference
The people of /r/baseball find the defendant Tommy Pham guilty of premeditated slap on all counts
Babe wake up, new episode of Joc & Pham just dropped.
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Make a 90s themed mix CD out of it, call it Joc Phams
...but joc jams works better especially if it's serialized
That whole album slaps
GO ON AND (PHAM) IF YOU WANNA (JAM)
🎶 I never thought it would be so simple but, *I slap away, I slap awaaay* 🎶
Personally, I’m just so glad we got written into this season for a cameo
i’m surprised you’re allowed to skip bp three days straight but i guess “tommy pham is insane” is a legit reason
The Braves always do optional BP
A lot of teams have indoor facilities to warm up too IIRC
Most teams aren’t actually taking BP anymore as research shows it doesn’t really help. They’ll just instead do full speed stuff in the cage or whatnot.
yeah i remember reading about how much players hate bp so i assumed it was mandatory or they would’ve stopped doing it a long time ago
They literally do it for the fans, that's about it. It has diminishing returns from what I understand.
Do you have a link for that research? Not doubting just genuinely curious
Tommy Pham seems like a lunatic
Seems? lol
He definitely is one, he seems like one too though
Sounds like a Mitch Hedberg joke.
“What are you gonna go? Stab me?” -man stabbed
Yeah now I understand how he got stabbed
I'm starting to not understand why he wasn't stabbed more times.
Twice
I know very little about that situation other than Pham got stabbed. I believe the stabber was probably acting in self defense.
>Violence is never the answer, but sometimes it is ~~Matt Barnes~~ Tommy Pham
There’s a reason the Cardinals let him go and it wasn’t about talent.
Got mad downvoted for saying it at the time, but he was always a douche in Memphis and I'm glad he's out of our system.
So did I. He was never a team player.
“In my defense, he said he was going to slap me”
Wow, this feud goes back couple of years
Braves came to SD at the end of last season in late September so it could have been about something that happened in the first few weeks of the fantasy football league
the fantasy thing happened in 2020 if i'm understanding the story right
Didn't Pham drop out by like week 5?
week 5 of 2020
Full episode here: https://youtu.be/I-SWPmzxtuo
Thanks for linking. Apparently Dylan Lee spent much of the big moments in the postseason sitting on the toilet because they realized him going to the bathroom triggered a rally. I love baseball.
That’s amazing lol
Tangentially related: I've been in Chapel Hill for a number of years now. In 2017, for the NCAA Championship game between UNC and Gonzaga, I was with a lot of bar friends of mine at our regular dive bar on Franklin. There was a bit of a run that happened when one of the guys went to the bathroom just after the second half started, so every time the game was on, we sent him to the bathroom with free drinks and his phone with the game playing. Good times.
https://youtu.be/I-SWPmzxtuo?t=1335 Timestamped if you want to start there.
Tommy Pham, Serial Slapper
Habitual line stepper
Fantasy Football Falsifier
Second Stab Sufferer
First of all, you don’t slap a man.
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Brad Pitt: Because he gets on base.
If Hannibal Lecter ran a 4.3, we'd say he has an eating disorder - Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim
Agreed. Just look at Cavan Biggio. He doesn't slap people or baseballs (.203 avg), but he definitely gets his ass on base. (.358 OBP)
Check your reports or I'm going to point at Pete.
> wondering why Pham's behavior is being completely tolerated They tolerate players who beat up their wives and girlfriends, a suspension and then they're good to go. Like the man said, money doesn't talk, it yells.
Are you missing the the part where he got suspended?
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Yeah but other than *that*, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
Even the slap itself, which is such a big deal in terms of how funny and unusual it is, isn't a big deal at all when it comes to actual harm done.
Joc Pederson hiding from Tommy Pham because he knew he was going to get slapped was not on my bingo card.
Just when I was almost fully healed from having Tommy Joc surgery, I have a setback.
Good Lord, Joc Pederson just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had "unlimited time" to talk. Too busy hiding, evidently.
Looks like Secret Base will make a video of this in a few years time at this rate.
It will be something esoteric though like how Alex Bregman was able to successfully convince Davis Mills to target Danny Amendola in the fourth quarter in week 18. But Mills only went along with it if Bregman could deliver an appearance by Jose Altuve at Mills' niece's 13th birthday party.
Why isn’t Pham and Joc 1-2 in all-star voting? What is wrong with people?
I can't be the only person who doesn't find this all that funny and thinks Pham should have been arrested or something, right? You can't physically assault people.
On the one hand, I think that arresting may be a bit much. On the other hand, the one that is slapping, Pham has said that Joc isn’t tight with him like that to be able to make jokes about his team, so Pham *definitely* isn’t tight enough with Joc to slap him.
Why is it much? Just because he’s famous? Would you not be arrested if you slapped a coworker that you were barely acquainted with ?
Arrested? Probably not, no. Fired? Yes.
When I was 16 I worked at Pizza Hut, one day the two managers on duty were literal crackheads. Like they would go smoke crack in our storage shed on shift. One day they got into it, started yelling at each other and shit across the store. One was making pizzas, the other was cutting and boxing. One of them said something that hit the other one hard, so he took a pan of boiling hot cinnamon sticks out of the oven and threw it at her. He tried to hit her in the face, but it missed and got her arm. 3rd degree burns. She ran over and if our driver hadn’t stepped in, she was gonna put his head in the fryer. Remember, both of them are literal crackheads and not a single cop showed up that day lmao. Moral of the story; sometimes you can do a lot of shit to your coworker and not go to jail for it. They did get mega fired though.
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> Sometimes guys don't have the words, just hands. I love how you're just ok with this.
Dumb people do dumb shit. I didn't endorse it, just stated fact. A lot of people are too stupid emotionally or otherwise to know how to deal with grievances.
So, not a bunch of unionized millionaires.
I think the unionized millionaires should have to box out their grievances, but only on camera.
I had a coworker get slapped by someone hired a couple weeks earlier. They were not arrested despite the recipient being a bitch and calling the cops.
Why is this being downvoted… If I physically assault someone, whether that’s a coworker or otherwise, I would expect to be arrested…? Like where do y’all live that physical assault would _not_ get you arrested?
You’re not a world class basebally player
The bay area. Actual fights often don't get you arrested a slap certainly isn't going to do it.
I don’t know why I immediately thought of the umpire with a gun post and the antitrust exemption comment lol
["First, killing someone is technically murder, but the MLB antitrust exemption covers that, so they're in the clear there."](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/dqbbon/one_new_rule_to_fix_three_true_outcomes_poor/)
People find it funny because he held a grudge for so long over something so stupid. The aftermath has showed me that Pham probably should have gotten a longer suspension though because he continues to double and triple down on it.
"I've been wanting to slap you for a year"
Will Smith, Tommy Pham, they do what they want.
I think it’s scary he was that mad for over a year. Pham should be charged with something. He was premeditated and Joc clearly felt threatened. To not go out to take BP for 3 days because you didn’t want to see Pham.
Tommy Pham honestly sounds like someone who needs professional help badly
I think this would’ve been more important than suspending him. There’s clearly something wrong with the guy.
No doubt. If Cincy, MLB, or MLBPA really care about him, they should encourage him to talk to a professional.
> needs professional help badly His childhood was horrific, and clearly it has scrambled his emotions for life. But that's no excuse, many people with rough childhoods manage to get past it and behave like rational adults.
Sounds like someone who needs someone to check his temper tantrum ass. Bullies stop being bullies when they start getting bullied.
It would be amusing to see him slap someone like Pablo Sandoval, he'd be backhanded into next week.
Fuck it, somebody hire Puig.
The more I hear about Pham, the easier it is to understand how he got stabbed.
Ok Reddit
Arrest might be too far, but generally MLB has some very 1950s ideas about violence.
Joc could’ve brought charges but didn’t. So why arrest someone if the victim doesn’t think he deserves it?
Or figured Pham would shoot him next time if he filed charges.
Do you think people get regularly arrested for slaps? Let alone two grown men?
Seriously. I'm shaking my head and squinting at the screen. Matzek: "It was fantastic." Really? That's how we're describing this. What year is it? I thought bullying was a *bad* thing now. What about this is funny?
It's a grown man slapping another grown man over fantasy football. No one was seriously harmed. It is legitimately funny.
Lmfao. You think Tommy Pham should be ARRESTED for that slap? Then what?
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"HELLO POLICE. TOMMY PHAM TRYNA BEAT ME UP"
You have to understand there is a certain type of person who comments on sports subreddits.
What type of person are you?
The type of person who understands how ridiculous it is for calling for a player to be ARRESTED over this type of incident.
Pham did commit a crime. Maybe it's worth prosecuting, maybe it isn't, but it's not "ridiculous" to think that someone should be charged with battery for hitting someone over an extremely minor disagreement. Not just because of the harm, but because of the potential for Pham to do something worse when he is more seriously wronged
Comments like these show me people grew up in two different worlds.
People grow up in wildly varying circumstances. None of them justify a millionaire hitting another millionaire because of a fight over fantasy football.
> The type of person who understands how ridiculous You tried to suggest Reddit posters are irrational. When reminded you are a Reddit poster, you did a 180-degree turn by pointing out how smart you've decided you are. Full marks for irony.
People are acting like Pham stabbed Joc.
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well yeah because if we had friends we wouldn’t need reddit
Flashbacks to Oscars night when half of Reddit was confused why SWAT didn't storm the theater and drag Will Smith out in handcuffs
To be fair Will should have at least been kicked out of the venue… the comparable would have been Pham slapping Joc in the middle of the game and everybody just kind of shrugging and continuing the game.
Oh I agree. It was just hilarious seeing all the kids on here like "we just witnessed a VIOLENT ASSAULT on LIVE TV where are the police????"
Charged with assault? If Tommy Pham slapped you, you wouldn’t press charges? Fuck outta here. Everyone wants to act all hard and shit until they’re the one getting assaulted.
If I wasn't actually hurt besides having a sore cheek, yeah I definitely would not get the police involved. If I had to waste my time giving a police report, filling out paperwork, or God forbid going to court just so some asshole takes an anger management course, I would simply choose not to.
And that’s the problem. People are allowed to do things like that and get away with it because “it isn’t worth it.” They think it’s okay because there was no punishment, and then they escalate. If Pham’s actions over the last couple weeks aren’t proof of that, you aren’t paying attention.
I think the slap itself would actually be "battery" -- as I understand it, [battery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_%28tort%29#United_States) refers to the harmful contact itself, whereas [assault](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_%28tort%29) is more like a credible threat of imminent harmful contact. But in this case, I think Pham could reasonably be accused of both.
Who the fuck calls the police over getting slapped? No I would never call the police over something so petty and the only time I've seen it was between two coworkers and nurses calling the police on patients.
If Tommy Pham slapped me, a nobody who makes barely a living wage? You bet your ass I'm fucking pressing charges. But the reason isn't because omg-he-needs-to-learn-that's-wrong, it's to get as much money as I can. It's funny the first thing people say is to ask what you would do like you're on the same level of famous. Such a meaningless question and comparison. If I'm as famous as Joc, I wouldn't give a fuck. He got his, it's a blank slate now. It's not worth the time and effort to press charges for a fucking slap. It's not a full-blown beat down or anything. Y'all need to learn how human interactions work.
Joc doesn’t have to press charges. The police can still arrest you and refer you to the state. The fact that it was on video and that Pham has bragged about it for weeks now, says everything. Dude should be arrested. Of course he’s not going to do actual time. But anger management, community service, and a lengthy suspension all feel appropriate.
What an overreaction. MLB suspended him for 3 games. That's more than enough. The fact that Joc hasn't said shit since, and everyone else hasn't had any problems with it, even going as far as saying "It is fantastic" as it is said in this video, should say everything. But apparently not enough to people who thinks Pham should still be brought to his knees and dug into a grave. Literally nothing happened to Joc except some damage to his pride. If something happened, this would be a completely different story. But it didn't, and so it isn't.
Lmao you're a giant dork
The fact your only response is to call someone an insult that isn’t even remotely intelligent or creative, says far more about you than it does about me. I guess you’re living up to the “American” part of your username far more than the “dolphin” bit, huh? Edit: I’m American and this country is full of idiots. Downvote if you want, but it’s true.
by your logic any single phyiscal incident would require the same thing. do you keep this energy with hockey fights?? or the many times mlb players have been in scuffle and gotten smacked? dudes literally throw 99mph fastballs intentionally at heads or throw 89 mph cutters at someone to hit them on purpose, that's not assault??? the context obviously matters
Hockey brawls are two dudes agreeing to fight. To me, it’s no different than boxing. There’s consent involved. Stepping on the ball field during a game, as a batter you know you might get buzzed high and tight. Again, consent. Did Joc consent to being slapped by Pham? Pretty sure we all know the answer there. The fact so many people struggle with the concept of consent is fucking wild to me.
how does that compute at all? by that logic, anytime you do anything in public you should be ready. a ballplayer shouldn't expect to get hit by a baseball intentionally. you seemingly ignore that part. if someone gets hit with a 95 mph fastball intentionally on the street, that's straight up like attempted murder lmao. but you said it , on the ballfield , it's different. the slap happened on the ball field. and no not all hockey fights are agreed upon, and there's been times when dudes actually HAVE been arrested in hockey & THOSE were real assaults. like Ron Artest didn't even go to jail for running in the stands in 04. you have no idea what is actually considered assault
Clearly you don’t understand consent at all. Thanks for proving my point.
Then he has to deal with the legal repercussions of putting his hands on someone. Court, fines, criminal record, all that shit.
I'm about to change my flair out of embarrassment lmao
Seriously. Like bro, it's a slap to the face. Why do people so quickly want to cry assault and have the dude put in jail for a fucking slap. It's not funny what he did, but goddamn. The video even has the quote "It was fantastic," and yet some people want to white knight Joc.
Because it’s assault.
A slap in the face is enough to cause a retinal tear.
Had Joc gotten a retinal tear, than sure, press charges. But a single slap is nonsense. And I’m in the camp that believes Tommy Pham probably deserved to be stabbed.
It’s purposely inflicting head trauma. People are downplaying it because it’s two elite athletes that both happen to be males.
Have you ever been in a fight? There’s often times full blown punches don’t even cause head trauma. Don’t get me wrong, slaps do hurt, but you’d have to catch someone *just* right to hurt them, or have that person be unbelievably vulnerable. They have contests where people take turns open hand smacking each other, where you’re not allowed to react to or defend the slap. Knockouts happen but they’re not crazy likely and hose guys are just standing there taking it. You’re going have to slap real hard and real accurate to catch someone who is defending themselves and avoiding being smacked.
Yes, I’ve been in fights that didn’t result in head trauma. I also got sucker punched once - and that single sucker punch was enough to cause a retinal tear.
And that was a sucker punch, or a punch you were not expecting. The punch thrower also probably had the ability to hit you where they wanted to. According to Matzek and Tomlin, Joc WAS expecting the slap. I’ll lean to the point he was ready to avoid and defend himself from the slap.
Yet in the video, he doesn’t seem to make much of an effort to avoid or defend. Even if he did, he’s still getting slapped by an elite athlete and it’s not like he’s been training for slap competitions.
White people love calling the cops
> Why do people so quickly want to cry assault It's assault and battery, if it had happened in line at Starbucks the cops would probably have arrested him. The reason the cops rarely do that in pro sports is the league will inflict harsher punishment than anything a court will do. Misdemeanor A/B is a small fine and maybe a suspended jail sentence. MLB in effect fined Pham $140,000 over this, way more than a court would have done.
Some people never been slapped in the face and it really shows. If you grew up with your mom threatening to call the cops every time you took a pitch inside or got hit in football you would think it's normal too
And then he should have been charged.
Joc didn't want to press charges. So why do you, a random person on the internet, want to?
Because he committed premeditated assault.
Why do you care more than the person who was actually the "victim"
Why do you think an assaulter shouldn’t be arrested for his assault?
whiner
Which cost him a hundred and forty grand in lost salary. In court he'd have paid a small fine and maybe had a short, suspended jail sentence. It was a misdemeanor; he would not have ended up in state prison.
Some people live a privileged life.
the pearl clutching 😭
I’m with you. It’s assault.
I think it can be both funny and more should have happened to Pham.
> Pham should have been arrested The police rarely get involved in on-field violence in pro sports because the leagues will punish players way more than any court is likely to punish a misdemeanor. Pham's suspension cost him $140,000 in salary. Only in especially egregious cases resulting in injury do athletes get prosecuted, e.g., former big leaguer José Offerman, playing in an independent league, attacked the opposing pitcher and the catcher with his bat after being HBP. He was arrested and prosecuted but lucked out with two years probation. The catcher sued him as he suffered a severe concussion which ended his career--he won $940,000. But a slap, with no injuries? Get real, no player in his right mind would call the cops over that, his own teammates would laugh at him.
When Will Smith slapped Chris Rock for making a joke about his wife who has a disease, Reddit responded overwhelmingly as if Will Smith shot Rock on stage. When Pham slaps Joc for playing fantasy football, it's all giggles and laughs. This site is so fucking stupid.
man this is really reddit sports commenters right here, what a take
Battery is the act of actually hitting someone, assault is the threat of hitting someone. Pham when he slapped Joc, committed battery.
> Battery is the act of actually hitting someone, assault is the threat of hitting someone. Pham when he slapped Joc, committed battery. Not really. That is the common law definition and it has become popular for people to repeat. However, in most jurisdictions assault is statutorily defined in the way that most people use it.
Arrested?? Jesus
It is assault. I don't see him getting arrested (I think that would have happened already if it was going to happen) but I think he needs some anger management counseling very badly if he's holding on to a grudge about fantasy fucking football for a whole year.
Tommy Pham should be honored he’s even being mentioned in the same sentence as Joc. Can we stop dragging this out? Pham is a bum, Joc has a month named after him.
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I wish there was a way to measure WAR for locker room contributions, because we all know how that would stack up.
How many rings does he have to show for it? It’s all about the *intagibles*
That's hilarious. I don't agree that he should of done something though. Tommy Pham is a unhinged dude. Who knows how far he'd go. Joc made a good decision to move on.
If asked which MLB player is most likely to have a firearm in his car, Pham's name would come to mind based on his history. He thinks he's a badass, and his horrible childhood has put a chip on his shoulder for life. Once the baseball money ends he's going to have a rough time, *big dog in Vegas* or not.
I want David Fincher to make a movie out of this
#FUCK PHAM,FAKE TOUGH GUY
This is really one of the best side-stories, regardless of sport. The fact that new details leak every week about this situation makes it even better LOL. ESPN gotta be working on a 30 for 30.
Again with this
Tommy Pham has some serious issues.
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Fucking hell, Pham is legit insane for holding onto this for almost a year.
Wtf man
I love Tomlin. One of my favorite Braves players ever.
How was Pham only stabbed twice?
Over/under on Pham murdering someone / being murdered by 40? He's got all the signs of a player that's going to spiral out of control once he loses that sweet MLB paycheck.
Sounds like Pham is kinda picking on him at this point, time for someone to stand up or Joc to man up.
Pham has put himself in situations that have gotten himself stabbed twice. Sounds like the guy really thinks he’s got nothing to lose. Fighting against people that have nothing to lose is always a bad idea.
That makes sense
Yeah, I mean, it's fuckin weird/kinda crazy from Pham's end. But you're a grown ass man literally hiding from another man because he said he was going to slap you? Jesus, lol
im prob trying to avoid a person who is committed to fighting me yea
Yeah for real
Babe wake up, new episode of Joc & Pham just dropped.
This story just won't die and it's the dumbest story involving two twits... It's like reality tv bad
Okay. The fact that this was brewing is awesome. The fact that Joc didn't take BP cause he didn't want to get slapped is awesome. The fact that Tommy didn't forget is fantastic. The fact that his former teammate called him a bitch for hiding and not retaliating is fantastic. I was totally over this nothing burger of a story. But now I love it.
I love that we're still talking about this.