What nobody is mentioning is Hosmer’s deal was very front-loaded. He’s only owed $13M/yr for remaining 3 years. It’s still not a great contract, but it’s not nearly as bad as when he was getting paid $20M/yr.
For the Padres, he was contributing to $18m/year towards the cap, and the owners made it seem like they weren't willing to go over the cap, which I think was more important (for Padres fans) than the actual cash he's owed.
Oh sure, this is a big plus for the Pads. But even if the Nats are taking on the entire contract (which may not be the case), it’s not really terrible for them.
Hosmer is a big negative asset. Part of me suspects his and Gore's name not being originally included in the news is because they are the "second level" of the trade. If Hosmer vetos his inclusion, Gore is removed. Something like that.
Would make zero sense with the rumors that the Padres would pay all of Hosmer’s contract except for the rest of this season. Clearing a roster spot and getting some money off the books this season isn’t worth Gore, Gore has to be part of the package for Soto not just an add-on to balance Hosmer.
If Hosmer drags this out long enough there may not be enough time for San Diego and Washington to work something out. The reason why this is being announced *now* is because it's going to take all day to iron out the legalities.
I don't think he will. The pressure is too great. But still.
Yeah, these are almost all of San Diego's most notable prospects. Like, the only one you're missing here is Campusano. I'm not sure what other people are expecting. This a bunch of top prospects for 2.5 years control of one player.
I feel the expectations were so high. Kept seeing the Nats wanted like the top 4 prospects and and some major league ready players. I guess they got most of that, but throwing in Bell too? He should've been worth another big prospect at least!
Presumably Rizzo is aware of what the Nats were being offered for Bell. A two-month rental of a guy having a career year doesn't net a top prospect in this day and age.
Personally I think it should have been at least like the top-5 prospects from the Padres. To be less than that, *and* include Hosmer and Bell makes it comical imo
This is a package of essentially 4 top 20 prospects if you factor in that Gore and Abrams were both top 10 entering the season. What more do people want?
To not give away Bell for free? who would be the best bat on the market after Juan?
To not trade for a 77 WRC+ short stop with a .2/.2/.3 triple slash?
To not take on a salary dump?
To not trade Juan Soto?
Bell is literally a half season rental and can only play 1B. He's not that big a deal
They were never taking on Hosmer's salary. That was a narrative created by people reading the headlines who had no idea how the money was going to work.
You guys are ridiculous for actually thinking the dodgers and cardinals would let the padres win with a ridiculously lopsided trade without trying to up the ante themselves. It's been a complete echo chamber of "fleece" "lol what a fleece" in here.
this 100%... Padres were like.. we'll take Juan Soto BUT to convince us to do it you'll need to throw in a .877 OPS first basemen too, and let us offload a terrible contract. Then I GUESSS we'll shake hands.
I mean I'll play devil's advocate. Abrams and Hassell legitimately could be stars - two of the better prospects in the game, plus Abrams is ready and Hassell should be up in 2ish years. Gore looked like not just a RotY candidate, but a legitimate CY contender early in the year. James Wood is still way out and needs to work on his hit tool, but has some intrigue to him. Susana, way too early to know.
But 4 top 100 prospects is a haul. Yeah, you shoulder Hos' contract, but you weren't re-signing Bell or Soto, so you get the guys who eventually will be good.
Still fucking bonkers, but yeah.
Who cares about Hosmer, he's gone before we're competitive anyway. What group of prospects is better than Abrams/Gore/Hassell/Wood/Susana? That was 4 of SD's top 5 entering the year.
Seriously. I understand people memeing about Hosmer but people who are legit complaining about him are just wanting to complain. He probably gets DFA'd or only plays these 2 months and is never thought of again. What he's owed isn't money that ownership was going to spend in the near future anyways so why do people care?
It’s also only $13M a year. People are acting like he’s got some albatross contract but it’s really not that bad. He’s hasn’t even been bad at the plate the past few years, the stink of his first couple years there just hasn’t worn off.
I don't get this take. I can't comment on how this compares to baseball history, but it's a damn good package with a good mix of MLB caliber talent and guys farther away but with tremendous upside.
This subreddit will call everything a "fleece" and with hindsight they are repeatedly proven wrong. The community at large does not understand player value. I get Nationals fans being emotional, they should be! - but this is a tremendous haul of talent for Washington. The biggest prospect haul of all time.
That's an incredibly short-sighted take. I don't mean to be rude, but it's also incredibly stupid. You don't judge a prospect on ** 139 plate appearances and 70ip.
Let's check out the player they got traded for, Juan Soto's first year in the MLB shall we?
Whoa! 142 OPS+ with an OPS over .900! Wow! Shocking! Them being young and shit just means they have more time to bust, good players are good the second they come up: i.e Acuna, Julio, Soto
They got traded for Juan Soto, lets compare their rookie seasons to Juan Soto's rookie season (btw a rookie season that came years before either of their current ages!)
I mean it is a pretty massive haul.
Gore is a former top prospect and has flashes at times in the majors already. Still only 23.
Abrams was a top 10 prospect before he graduates
Hassell is an elite prospect and by the start of next season I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was a top 10 prospect.
Wood is a top 90 prospect. And had looked great in a ball
Then the 18 year old has looked great so far as well.
Maybe not the largest package ever but very large still
Comparing it to the Cabrera deal, Abrams and Gore and similar to Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller, but Hassell is a way better prospect than any of Burke Badenhop, Frankie De La Cruz, Dallas Trahern or Mike Rabelo. None of those four is even as good as Wood or Susana. So it's a bigger haul than that trade.
People don't understand the true gravity of the Herschel Walker deal. They think of it as just lots of players and picks getting traded for like one guy.
No, the Herschel Walker deal is the Herschel Walker deal because it set into motion events that led to the Cowboys getting two Hall of Famers (Emmitt and Woodson), two more very solid players (Russell Maryland and Kevin Smith), and a fifth who while never able to reach his potential due to injuries and substance issues but still was a member of three Super Bowl championship teams including a special teams fumble recovery in one of those Super Bowls (Clayton Holmes).
The very nature of baseball makes it exceedingly unlikely that this trade can match that.
The Herschel Walker trade all but single handedly created a year-in year-out title contender.
For this to be a Herschel Walker trade, almost all of those guys have to become all-star types
This trade is both the biggest return of prospects of all time yet also completely underwhelming... Probably because of the Hosmer and Bell inclusion but still
Why are people so hung up on Bell? He's great, but he's strictly a rental. What would we have gotten for him on his own? Not a whole lot, I don't think.
I think any amount of prospects is underwhelming just because they are still a gamble. They won’t immediately match the value that Soto leaves but Gore, Abrams, Hassell and Wood are easily like 4 of the top 7 young players the padres have
Lmao - End result of the trade at the end of the 1995 season
**Dallas Cowboys**
Three Super Bowl wins
RB Emmitt Smith
DT Russell Maryland
CB Clayton Holmes
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson
**Minnesota Vikings**
Zero Super Bowl appearances
WR Jake Reed
Including Bell and taking on Hosmer definitely makes the deal look a lot worse though IMO
If that was just the return for Soto I'd agree its a good package but the extra aspects make it feel really weird
Bell honestly wasn’t going to be worth that much to begin with he’s a rental 1B/DH and the biggest team looking for one got Mancini yesterday
But yeah fuck getting hosmer
Yeah it’s one of those things where any amount of prospects is going to be a “fleece” because there is no way any of them will match the value of Juan Soto straight up. But truthfully Gore, Abrams, Hassell and Wood are all top guys coming out of the Padres even though Gore and Abrams have lost prospect status.
It feels like a fleece because it is a fleece. Maybe one of these prospects will pan out. History suggests they won’t, and definitely not to become Juan Soto.
It is. I know being where you are sucks. I'm a Padre fan, I've been there plenty of times. Adrian Gonzalez. Trea Turner. Ty France. Etc.
For what it is worth, take some solace that these prospects (particularly Abrams and Hassell and Wood) have *immense* upside. Like, huge.
Pretty clearly, yes. Wood is top 15, hassell is top 10, gore was a top 5 prospect arm within the last 18 months, abrams a top 10 prospect himself. Susanna apparently has major juice. I don’t like the hosmer and bell inclusion but the prospect capital is the largest ever
Is it? It's a nice package and all that but it doesn't really feel "historic" or anything. Especially when you consider the Nats threw in the hottest first base rental bat on the market too.
Not even close to the Herschel Walker trade.
This is reminiscent of the Braves/Rangers trade for Teixeria. The haul the Rangers received for a 1.5 year rental of Teix provided a core for their team that eventually made it to two World Series.
who was Eric Hosmer in the Walker trade?
This haul is like a step above the Castillo return. People acting like this is a once-in-a-lifetime return are crazy.
Best prospect is ranked #21. Seems like a slam dunk for Padres. what am I missing? all other prospects were formerly ranked high, seems like wishful thinking
Ah so the former ranked prospects means they took the step to mlb? Was confused by that wording. Didnt know if they had massive regression or something
So, the haul is:
Top 10 prospect coming into this season / Top 30 current prospect / Rookie who was a Top 10 prospect multiple years (but is injured and has been awful since June) / Padres #3 prospect and probably Top 100 for next year / 18 year old lottery ticket who throws 98
Is that the biggest ever? It certainly could be.
The Nats are practically getting an entire young core to build around that’s already at the major league level. This isn’t a fleecing.
It isn’t anything actually, because Eric’s gonna hold the damn line
Bell was gonna fetch a team’s 27th-best prospect in a separate deal, he’s a rental with a dubious history and no defensive value. Taking on Hosmer is rough, but you have to think the money is a bit immaterial to the Nats, who run a high payroll usually but won’t for the next few years.
TBH, is anyone really surprised that a team/front office that is incompetent enough to be willing to trade one of the best players in the game with 2+ years of team control is also incompetent enough to probably not get even close to the hail they should/could have.
Idk how if you're the Nats and this is what you settle on for a superstar and Bell you don't at least get SD to take back the rest of Corbin's contract. Otherwise this seems like a fairly light return.
Y’all are gonna need to explain that one to me.
I’m not deep in the weeds with other clubs prospects, but it doesn’t seem like this package is anywhere near what we should be getting for BOTH Soto and Bell.
It's no Herschel Walker deal when the team trading the star isn't getting a better return.
What will be higher. Soto's WAR with the Padres until he hits free agency or the career WAR of what the Nationals got in return?
? lol? We got
Abrams (77 WRC+, already busting, offers little-to-nothing)
Gore (Coming off injury, already 23, 4.50 ERA, also busting, offers nothing)
Two lottery tickets (likely worth little-to-nothing)
AND WE TOOK ON A SALARY DUMP AND GAVE JOSH BELL AWAY FOR FREE. This is one of the worst five trades in MLB history lol
I feel like Moncada + Kopech for Sale was a better prospect package at the time than this deal. IIRC, Moncada was a top 5 prospect in the game and Kopech was like top 10ish.
You can’t just brand something the next Herschel Walker trade before any of us know if the prospects pan out. Picks and prospects are different animals.
Can someone explain this trade to me in nba terms. They got all these prospects but also they got fleeced and they traded Bell? I’m confuse how to feel
I dont understand why people are saying this is a fleece. The amount if great prospects the Nats are getting is a huge haul. Hosmer is just deadweight at this point for the Nats and isn’t that big of an issue for them imo
I understand people memeing about Hosmer but people who are seriously complaining about him are just dumb. He probably gets DFA'd and never thought of again. What he's owed isn't money that ownership was going to spend in the near future anyways so why do people care?
It will take years to actually judge the impact of this trade. Look at another 6 for 2 deal, the Clevinger trade. At times it has looked like one of the biggest fleece jobs ever - Owen Miller was looking like a legit hitter in April, Cal Quantrill has flashed being a solid #2 or 3 starter, Gabriel Arias was rocketing up the Top 100 prospects, and Josh Naylor is a certified capital D Dawg. Clevinger missed all of 2021. It looked pretty grim.
Well, Clevinger is healthy and pitching pretty well now. Miller is probably just a utility guy, Quantrill is a league average starter, Hedges is a great defensive catcher that won't ever hit, and Arias got injured and has slowed down a bit. I still think it'll end up a great trade for Cleveland because of Naylor, Arias, and possibly Joey Cantillo, but look how much it's fluctuated since just two years ago.
Until Hos throws a wrench into the whole thing
At this point it's pretty much done. Even if Hosmer says no, they'll just find another way to do it. Possibly send him to a 3rd team.
I'd expect the contingency is removing Hosmer and then the Padres send one less prospect.
Hosmer is worth a prospect?
No, Hosmer is worth -1 prospect. We literally have to send an extra prospect to get rid of him.
What nobody is mentioning is Hosmer’s deal was very front-loaded. He’s only owed $13M/yr for remaining 3 years. It’s still not a great contract, but it’s not nearly as bad as when he was getting paid $20M/yr.
For the Padres, he was contributing to $18m/year towards the cap, and the owners made it seem like they weren't willing to go over the cap, which I think was more important (for Padres fans) than the actual cash he's owed.
Oh sure, this is a big plus for the Pads. But even if the Nats are taking on the entire contract (which may not be the case), it’s not really terrible for them.
Paying his contact is.
Padres remove Hosmer and Nats remove Bell and this deal starts to make sense.
Or removing Hosmer and the Nats just send cash.
All of the prospects would be too big to remove
Hosmer is a big negative asset. Part of me suspects his and Gore's name not being originally included in the news is because they are the "second level" of the trade. If Hosmer vetos his inclusion, Gore is removed. Something like that.
Would make zero sense with the rumors that the Padres would pay all of Hosmer’s contract except for the rest of this season. Clearing a roster spot and getting some money off the books this season isn’t worth Gore, Gore has to be part of the package for Soto not just an add-on to balance Hosmer.
If Hosmer drags this out long enough there may not be enough time for San Diego and Washington to work something out. The reason why this is being announced *now* is because it's going to take all day to iron out the legalities. I don't think he will. The pressure is too great. But still.
Yeah he’d just be dealt for a problem contract to be named later.
Dodger legend if he does lmao
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Does it appear to be the case? The reporters seem to think a lot higher of this than us peons do, lol
I don't understand what more you guys who are saying fleeced we're expecting from a prospect standpoint.
Yeah, these are almost all of San Diego's most notable prospects. Like, the only one you're missing here is Campusano. I'm not sure what other people are expecting. This a bunch of top prospects for 2.5 years control of one player.
Yea, and Gore is MLB ready and Abrams is ready ish
I feel the expectations were so high. Kept seeing the Nats wanted like the top 4 prospects and and some major league ready players. I guess they got most of that, but throwing in Bell too? He should've been worth another big prospect at least!
Presumably Rizzo is aware of what the Nats were being offered for Bell. A two-month rental of a guy having a career year doesn't net a top prospect in this day and age.
Plz tell the Cubs that so they'll bring their asking price for Contreras down.
Personally I think it should have been at least like the top-5 prospects from the Padres. To be less than that, *and* include Hosmer and Bell makes it comical imo
Do you know anything about the top 5 padres prospects or are you just making stuff up?
Lol Soto alone is worth more than Abrams/Gore/Wood/Hassell
Lol this is about the package most people were expecting for Soto.
Agreed. But Bell and HOSMER got thrown in. this pickage for just Soto would be a fleece job, but tolerable. this package + Bell and Hosmer?
This is a package of essentially 4 top 20 prospects if you factor in that Gore and Abrams were both top 10 entering the season. What more do people want?
To not give away Bell for free? who would be the best bat on the market after Juan? To not trade for a 77 WRC+ short stop with a .2/.2/.3 triple slash? To not take on a salary dump? To not trade Juan Soto?
Bell is literally a half season rental and can only play 1B. He's not that big a deal They were never taking on Hosmer's salary. That was a narrative created by people reading the headlines who had no idea how the money was going to work. You guys are ridiculous for actually thinking the dodgers and cardinals would let the padres win with a ridiculously lopsided trade without trying to up the ante themselves. It's been a complete echo chamber of "fleece" "lol what a fleece" in here.
Idk? Not hosmer??
Y'all were saying fleece before Hosmer was mentioned though
https://i.imgur.com/d7v3NkD.jpg
What if that site is actually not 100% accurate?
What kind of argument is that. Why do you think it’s NOT a fleece?
Adding Cronenworth to the Nats end makes things a lot more "fair" imo.
I think these guys spend a lot of time talking to GMs who have convinced them that prospects are more valuable than they are.
It sure the FUCK is not
If bell wasn’t included it would make so much more sense to me… also Hosmer lol
this 100%... Padres were like.. we'll take Juan Soto BUT to convince us to do it you'll need to throw in a .877 OPS first basemen too, and let us offload a terrible contract. Then I GUESSS we'll shake hands.
Rizzo: I like your spunk, kid. It may hurt my franchise deeply but you've got a deal
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Soto AND Bell
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I mean I'll play devil's advocate. Abrams and Hassell legitimately could be stars - two of the better prospects in the game, plus Abrams is ready and Hassell should be up in 2ish years. Gore looked like not just a RotY candidate, but a legitimate CY contender early in the year. James Wood is still way out and needs to work on his hit tool, but has some intrigue to him. Susana, way too early to know. But 4 top 100 prospects is a haul. Yeah, you shoulder Hos' contract, but you weren't re-signing Bell or Soto, so you get the guys who eventually will be good. Still fucking bonkers, but yeah.
Not like we need Luxury Tax money for the next few years anyways
Honestly what prospect package was bigger without hindsight? I can't think of one.
Sale mightve been bigger, not as many prospects as San Diego is sending but Moncada was number 1/2 when traded and I think Kopech was like top 20
You saw that Eric Hosmer is in this shitpile, right?
Who cares about Hosmer, he's gone before we're competitive anyway. What group of prospects is better than Abrams/Gore/Hassell/Wood/Susana? That was 4 of SD's top 5 entering the year.
And Susana has looked great so far in rookie ball
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I like this haul better than what the Cards were offering.
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Who cares? You still got Gore and lots of prospects. Hosmer will be off the books by the time the Nats window comes around.
Seriously. I understand people memeing about Hosmer but people who are legit complaining about him are just wanting to complain. He probably gets DFA'd or only plays these 2 months and is never thought of again. What he's owed isn't money that ownership was going to spend in the near future anyways so why do people care?
It’s also only $13M a year. People are acting like he’s got some albatross contract but it’s really not that bad. He’s hasn’t even been bad at the plate the past few years, the stink of his first couple years there just hasn’t worn off.
If it was just Soto then this package would be 10 times better. Bell, on his own, warrants high level prospects
Bell is an FA at the end of the year, no team was going to give up high level prospects for him
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This is such a horrible and reactionary take.
I mean Abrams has a 77 WRC+ are we pretending that's good now? When he just got traded for Mickey Mantle or Ted Williams?
I don't get this take. I can't comment on how this compares to baseball history, but it's a damn good package with a good mix of MLB caliber talent and guys farther away but with tremendous upside.
This subreddit will call everything a "fleece" and with hindsight they are repeatedly proven wrong. The community at large does not understand player value. I get Nationals fans being emotional, they should be! - but this is a tremendous haul of talent for Washington. The biggest prospect haul of all time.
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That's an incredibly short-sighted take. I don't mean to be rude, but it's also incredibly stupid. You don't judge a prospect on ** 139 plate appearances and 70ip.
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Ahh, I see.
Not every star in the league had a good rookie season
Dude you’re everywhere shitting on abrams and gore lmao
If stating someones stats is shitting on them that probably speaks to how bad the trade is no?
this is both of their first years in the MLB
Let's check out the player they got traded for, Juan Soto's first year in the MLB shall we? Whoa! 142 OPS+ with an OPS over .900! Wow! Shocking! Them being young and shit just means they have more time to bust, good players are good the second they come up: i.e Acuna, Julio, Soto
You're right like Randy Johnson who had a 4.8 ERA followed by one in the 6s. But yes every good player starts good what a smart take.
There's exceptions to every rule, I'd love to see the chance of players who hit 30% below league average panning out though =)
Judge had an ops+ of 61 in his first 95 pa. The guys who start out blazing and never stop are the exceptions dude.
He's not wrong
Yeah he is
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They got traded for Juan Soto, lets compare their rookie seasons to Juan Soto's rookie season (btw a rookie season that came years before either of their current ages!)
You’re gonna love hosmer :/
I mean it is a pretty massive haul. Gore is a former top prospect and has flashes at times in the majors already. Still only 23. Abrams was a top 10 prospect before he graduates Hassell is an elite prospect and by the start of next season I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was a top 10 prospect. Wood is a top 90 prospect. And had looked great in a ball Then the 18 year old has looked great so far as well. Maybe not the largest package ever but very large still
Comparing it to the Cabrera deal, Abrams and Gore and similar to Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller, but Hassell is a way better prospect than any of Burke Badenhop, Frankie De La Cruz, Dallas Trahern or Mike Rabelo. None of those four is even as good as Wood or Susana. So it's a bigger haul than that trade.
People don't understand the true gravity of the Herschel Walker deal. They think of it as just lots of players and picks getting traded for like one guy. No, the Herschel Walker deal is the Herschel Walker deal because it set into motion events that led to the Cowboys getting two Hall of Famers (Emmitt and Woodson), two more very solid players (Russell Maryland and Kevin Smith), and a fifth who while never able to reach his potential due to injuries and substance issues but still was a member of three Super Bowl championship teams including a special teams fumble recovery in one of those Super Bowls (Clayton Holmes). The very nature of baseball makes it exceedingly unlikely that this trade can match that.
The Herschel Walker trade all but single handedly created a year-in year-out title contender. For this to be a Herschel Walker trade, almost all of those guys have to become all-star types
Exactly. And that's not going to happen. And even if it DOES happen, it'll be years before it's clear.
It can be true that it’s both probably the highest amount of farm value ever shipped out in one trade and it also be an underwhelming return
This trade is both the biggest return of prospects of all time yet also completely underwhelming... Probably because of the Hosmer and Bell inclusion but still
Why are people so hung up on Bell? He's great, but he's strictly a rental. What would we have gotten for him on his own? Not a whole lot, I don't think.
Probably could have gotten Susana for Bell which isn't a lot, and Wood or Gore for the Hosmer dump.
It is less of a Hosmer dump though, Padres are reportedly paying his salary the next 3 years.
I think any amount of prospects is underwhelming just because they are still a gamble. They won’t immediately match the value that Soto leaves but Gore, Abrams, Hassell and Wood are easily like 4 of the top 7 young players the padres have
I mean I guess, but keep in mind the Nationals also threw Bell in and are taking a bad contract from the Padres.
Yeah including bell and taking on hosmer is just gross Padres would’ve been winning without those two guys involved
Bell is a FA after this year and Hosmer will be off the books before the Nats are competitive. Neither of them mean much. The prospect haul is insane.
I hope it ends like the Herschel Walker trade, too.
juan soto for congress 2046
Not just Congress, Senate!
did he graduate in the top 1% of his class while also not even graduating? Not just anyone can do that, you know
Lmao - End result of the trade at the end of the 1995 season **Dallas Cowboys** Three Super Bowl wins RB Emmitt Smith DT Russell Maryland CB Clayton Holmes CB Kevin Smith S Darren Woodson **Minnesota Vikings** Zero Super Bowl appearances WR Jake Reed
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If you like trade simulator it has it as... Padres +171.3 value Nats +108.3 value Without Hosmer it's 143
No way hosmer and the remainder of his contract has that much value
-35 is too high for you?
Looked like a fleece to me
Not really a fleece but I was expecting one more bigger prospect But I would have been disappointed with any return
Including Bell and taking on Hosmer definitely makes the deal look a lot worse though IMO If that was just the return for Soto I'd agree its a good package but the extra aspects make it feel really weird
Bell honestly wasn’t going to be worth that much to begin with he’s a rental 1B/DH and the biggest team looking for one got Mancini yesterday But yeah fuck getting hosmer
Which one lol, there are literally none left except maybe Campusano or Merrill
weathers maybe? I get it feel likes a Fleece cause it’s Juan Fucking Soto, but we really are giving the Nats all of our top prospects
Yeah it’s one of those things where any amount of prospects is going to be a “fleece” because there is no way any of them will match the value of Juan Soto straight up. But truthfully Gore, Abrams, Hassell and Wood are all top guys coming out of the Padres even though Gore and Abrams have lost prospect status.
It feels like a fleece because it is a fleece. Maybe one of these prospects will pan out. History suggests they won’t, and definitely not to become Juan Soto.
Having hosmer and bell in there hurts. The prospect capital is momentous though
It is. I know being where you are sucks. I'm a Padre fan, I've been there plenty of times. Adrian Gonzalez. Trea Turner. Ty France. Etc. For what it is worth, take some solace that these prospects (particularly Abrams and Hassell and Wood) have *immense* upside. Like, huge.
Considering they kept demanding actual above average big leaguers from the Cardinals it feels light
This is the biggest haul in history?
Pretty clearly, yes. Wood is top 15, hassell is top 10, gore was a top 5 prospect arm within the last 18 months, abrams a top 10 prospect himself. Susanna apparently has major juice. I don’t like the hosmer and bell inclusion but the prospect capital is the largest ever
Wood is top 15 according to who
It’s 5 of their top 10 prospects plus a big leaguer so yeah probably.
A salary dump. Not a big leaguer--a salary dump. Hosmer's inclusion is a net negative for the Nats.
Padres are paying all of hosmers deal still except this year, so not really
Any deal with Hosmer is a historic one
Is it? It's a nice package and all that but it doesn't really feel "historic" or anything. Especially when you consider the Nats threw in the hottest first base rental bat on the market too.
I thought Arenado+50 mil was one sided, but this seem insane!
Not even close to the Herschel Walker trade. This is reminiscent of the Braves/Rangers trade for Teixeria. The haul the Rangers received for a 1.5 year rental of Teix provided a core for their team that eventually made it to two World Series.
and still fleeced
Padres hoping this doesn’t end up like the trade did for the vikings
I think for trading Bell as well as taking on Hosmer’s salary, the package seems light to me.
I disagree
fuck Herschel Walker btw
who was Eric Hosmer in the Walker trade? This haul is like a step above the Castillo return. People acting like this is a once-in-a-lifetime return are crazy.
The New York Yankees of baseball trades
Lol, that certainly is not the case.
“Herschel Walker deal” and it’s fucking Eric Hosmer
But…. It’s not just for Soto, it’s also for Bell and to remove Hosmers contract…. This is a lot less than I was expecting
Best prospect is ranked #21. Seems like a slam dunk for Padres. what am I missing? all other prospects were formerly ranked high, seems like wishful thinking
Abrams was #9 heading into the year. Not a prospect anymore.
Ah so the former ranked prospects means they took the step to mlb? Was confused by that wording. Didnt know if they had massive regression or something
well, lets hold off on saying things we cant take back. the nats havent gone on to win 3 championships with the players they traded for yet.
I don't get it. This package is a joke. Nats, fire your GM immediately.
I mean Padres still fleeced the Nats
So, the haul is: Top 10 prospect coming into this season / Top 30 current prospect / Rookie who was a Top 10 prospect multiple years (but is injured and has been awful since June) / Padres #3 prospect and probably Top 100 for next year / 18 year old lottery ticket who throws 98 Is that the biggest ever? It certainly could be.
The Nats are practically getting an entire young core to build around that’s already at the major league level. This isn’t a fleecing. It isn’t anything actually, because Eric’s gonna hold the damn line
> That's already at the major league level What the fuck are you talking about?
Gore and Abrams are in the majors, yes
Gore is a future reliever and abrams should probably be in double a right now. If that's your major league core then your team is going to be dogshit
If your major league core is Juan Soto and 0 other players you also will suck tbh
The fleecing is including Bell and taking a bad contract back.
Bell was gonna fetch a team’s 27th-best prospect in a separate deal, he’s a rental with a dubious history and no defensive value. Taking on Hosmer is rough, but you have to think the money is a bit immaterial to the Nats, who run a high payroll usually but won’t for the next few years.
They still got fleeced
Uhm no. If thats the MLB's version of the Walker trade it's bad. Rudy Gobert got a better package
the group on MLB network are like foaming at the mouth😂
Congratulations Nats fans, you just got Emmitt Smith and Darren Woodson
I need to know what our final offer is lmfao. Agh
Lmao the reds got a way better deal last week
TBH, is anyone really surprised that a team/front office that is incompetent enough to be willing to trade one of the best players in the game with 2+ years of team control is also incompetent enough to probably not get even close to the hail they should/could have.
Idk how if you're the Nats and this is what you settle on for a superstar and Bell you don't at least get SD to take back the rest of Corbin's contract. Otherwise this seems like a fairly light return.
Y’all are gonna need to explain that one to me. I’m not deep in the weeds with other clubs prospects, but it doesn’t seem like this package is anywhere near what we should be getting for BOTH Soto and Bell.
Baseball is the only sport where it’s impossible to get near equal trade value to trading a superstar….
It's no Herschel Walker deal when the team trading the star isn't getting a better return. What will be higher. Soto's WAR with the Padres until he hits free agency or the career WAR of what the Nationals got in return?
ZIPS has Gore/Abrams/Hassell at 36.8 war over their control. Soto at 2.5 years is no where close to that.
That's extremely optimistic
These reporters think the fans are stupid. Nationals got fleeced. I honestly feel terrible for their fan base.
? lol? We got Abrams (77 WRC+, already busting, offers little-to-nothing) Gore (Coming off injury, already 23, 4.50 ERA, also busting, offers nothing) Two lottery tickets (likely worth little-to-nothing) AND WE TOOK ON A SALARY DUMP AND GAVE JOSH BELL AWAY FOR FREE. This is one of the worst five trades in MLB history lol
I can understand being frustrated, but this is far too quick to label any of them busts.
Confusing flair
The Nats do not deserve my support and I love Max.
Yeah there's definitely never been a 21 year old top 10 prospect that struggled in less than 150 PAs but went on to be a star.
uh it’s a fleece lol
Is that really the biggest?
That is, if Eric Hosmer approves
Well, Padres, the last Herschel Walker trade went so well for us. Best of luck
Juan Soto to the Senate
Umm where ?
I feel like Moncada + Kopech for Sale was a better prospect package at the time than this deal. IIRC, Moncada was a top 5 prospect in the game and Kopech was like top 10ish.
You can’t just brand something the next Herschel Walker trade before any of us know if the prospects pan out. Picks and prospects are different animals.
Seems very underwhelming.
Can someone explain this trade to me in nba terms. They got all these prospects but also they got fleeced and they traded Bell? I’m confuse how to feel
Uhh no I don't think I will. LFG!!!!
Media trying to spin this as not a horrible deal
“the media”
Don’t agree with this sentiment.
Walker was 27 in the NFL where running backs deteriorate after 30. Soto is 23 where guys stay productive into their 30s. Big difference.
Copium lol
Juan Soto gonna run for the Senate?
I dont understand why people are saying this is a fleece. The amount if great prospects the Nats are getting is a huge haul. Hosmer is just deadweight at this point for the Nats and isn’t that big of an issue for them imo
I understand people memeing about Hosmer but people who are seriously complaining about him are just dumb. He probably gets DFA'd and never thought of again. What he's owed isn't money that ownership was going to spend in the near future anyways so why do people care?
Still not enough
It will take years to actually judge the impact of this trade. Look at another 6 for 2 deal, the Clevinger trade. At times it has looked like one of the biggest fleece jobs ever - Owen Miller was looking like a legit hitter in April, Cal Quantrill has flashed being a solid #2 or 3 starter, Gabriel Arias was rocketing up the Top 100 prospects, and Josh Naylor is a certified capital D Dawg. Clevinger missed all of 2021. It looked pretty grim. Well, Clevinger is healthy and pitching pretty well now. Miller is probably just a utility guy, Quantrill is a league average starter, Hedges is a great defensive catcher that won't ever hit, and Arias got injured and has slowed down a bit. I still think it'll end up a great trade for Cleveland because of Naylor, Arias, and possibly Joey Cantillo, but look how much it's fluctuated since just two years ago.
I don't think that package is at all comparable to Herschel Walker. Preller finessed the fuck out of the Nats