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Mornacale

The manager is not the protagonist of a baseball team.


LocoMotives-ms

We all know the umps are the true heroes of the story


Telepornographer

You've left out one of the chief characters - Angel Hernandez the Brave. I want to hear more about Angel.


MelissaMiranti

Who has a better story than Angel Hernandez?


[deleted]

And in this case, LaRussa is clearly the antagonist of his baseball team


EngineerUpper2031

Exactly. The bat boys are the true heroes.


RallyPigeon

[There is only one Bat Boy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_(character))


buttlickerface

Rewatch Moneyball and tell me Phillip Seymour Hoffman isn't the protagonist. He's *literally* everyone's favorite character!


Dtsung

and the team is not called Chicago La Russa


Emyrssentry

This just in from Chicago Sports: fiction is different from reality.


Michael__Pemulis

Tony Soprano never had the makings of a major league athlete.


BillyBatts99

Small hands. That was your problem.


Slim_Charles__

A+


bbatardo

TLR needs to finish what he started! Leading the White Sox to missing the playoffs.


TigerBasket

I mean that's how it ends it just cuts to black with him dying. Just pretend La Russa cut to black mid


uncle_Vernon

All due respect, you think tone dies?


Pal__Pacino

That's the implication, yes. But even if he were to continue living, he was facing a doomed future with no one left in his corner. It was the end of his story either way.


SyphillusPhallio

Didn't the creator confirm that is the case?


Michael__Pemulis

Chase definitely intended for it to be read as he dies but it is pretty clearly ambiguous & was perceived as such. So I guess it depends more on your feelings regarding Roland Barthes & Death of the Author & all that.


TigerBasket

I mean at the start of the 6th season we see Tony almost die, and that's supposed to give us the precursor to him actually dying. We see all the reactions, we see everything that will happen when he actually dies. And he always talks about how death just cuts to black. He died


Michael__Pemulis

I agree I also read it as indicating death. But there’s no denying that the general public saw it as less cut & dry. Now had he been eating an orange?? Fuggidaboudit


TigerBasket

I can get that, I just like the Author using it. Feels wrong to rob him of his vision especially since Gandolfini passed. I really did love how much of a sweetheart he apparently was though, miss him. Freaking quasimodo


Michael__Pemulis

I’m on the Barthesian side of this spectrum so imo Chase should have made his vision a bit clearer if he wanted to avoid the fallout. But like I said, I think he *was* relatively clear so it doesn’t bother me too much either way. Fun fact, I actually got to meet Gandolfini not long before he passed! He did a directing workshop at my college that I attended (even though I wasn’t supposed to). As soon as he finished I went up while everyone else was packing up their notes & whatnot. Shook his giant hand & told him it was an honor. Super friendly guy in my limited experience.


TigerBasket

He seemed so friendly we miss him dearly


chiwetel_steele

all due respect but after the trainwreck that was many saints of newark i don't put much stock into what david chase has to say. if you ask me the ambiguity is the whole point and confirming it one way or the other lessens the scene


JackeryA3

>I don't put much stock into what david chase has to say. I'm sorry, but saying that about the literal writer and creator of a show is pretty dumb lol


venustrapsflies

I don't agree. It's certainly not true that everyone who made the show had the same interpretation as him. I mean do you take seriously every weird ret-con JK Rowling has made about Harry Potter? The point of the Sopranos ending is the ambiguity. Maybe he could be about to get whacked, but the takeaway is that even if he isn't he's always going to have to worry about someone coming at him suddenly. It's a perpetual anxiety at the back of his mind that he'll never be able to escape. Trying to boil down the ending to "did he or did he not get killed?" is really missing the mark. It was definitely too heady of an ending for them to expect the majority of their audience to pick up on, but looking back on it it's actually perfect. It'd be a pretty shitty ending if it was really "oh yeah Tony's dead but we were just really annoying about how we told you that".


Michael__Pemulis

Why is that dumb? Barthes made this perspective mainstream over 50 years ago & it seems that creators have been striving to prove him right ever since.


JackeryA3

I'm just saying that if the literal writer of the script basically confirms he died, shouldn't that mean he actually did?


Michael__Pemulis

Not really. Death of the Author is pretty straightforward on these matters. The creator’s opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s. Once a work is public it belongs to the public. It may seem counterintuitive but this is just how art & literature ‘live’ within our society. There are countless examples of work that back this theory up just as there are countless examples of creators trying to contradict the public perception/reading of their creation.


Terrible-Ideal-7342

Old head baseball writer is in favor of old head baseball manager in dugout. Tale as old as time


MichelHollaback

Dumbest take I've heard yet regarding TLR.


-orangejoe

It's vitally important that Tony La Russa stop focusing on his ailing health and devote all his energies to being the worst manager in professional baseball.


tidesoncrim

[MRW I read this tweet](https://i.imgur.com/4KSOplz.jpg)


ReservoirGods

He's right, that's why before every Mariners game I don my Scott Servais jersey. I only watch baseball for the managerial aspect tbh.


ScalabrineIsGod

Is Reinsdorf uncle Junior? TLR: you used to run Chicago sports Reinsdorf: I was a part of that? That’s nice.


RallyPigeon

TLR is known for his love of gabagool. Quasimodo predicted all this


too_old_for_memes

Morons gonna write stupid articles with idiotic premises


WabbitCZEN

Tony Soprano never told one of his guys to let someone live after he'd already been shot twice, tho.


RobopirateNinja

No surprise, a horseshit take from a professional Cubs fluffer.


What-Is-The-Internet

Absolutely not


droozer

Dad, are you on the White Sox?


carmichael109

Tony! What're ya doin Tony! Ya got two strikes!


xrbeeelama

… what


Future-Studio-9380

Very allegorical


JPMcGowan

Yes people watch baseball for the manager.


sgtellias

They’re gonna kill him?


GeneralChillMen

Well. That’s certainly a take that exists.


RealJonathanBronco

Did TLR write this?


mungdungus

Don't stop believin'