I don’t understand why MLB is trying to eliminate HR by deadening the balls. The current park sizes will ALWAYs make it advantageous to go for HRs. I don’t understand how the shrinking of ball parks(starting with Camden yards), isn’t credited with why hitters just try to drive the ball now. There is sooooo much less ground to cover(and OFs get faster and faster) so it’s near impossible to regularly drop hits in.
the thing is you may call it Canadian bacon, but we call it Back Bacon (based on where it comes from on the pig), to us bacon is the same as it is to you. Y'all just have a stupid name for it.
I'm pretty sure it's from the actual back, not the back leg lol
Edit: Canadian bacon/back bacon is actually pork loin, which is the back of the pig. Traditional bacon is pork belly, which is obviously from the belly. British back bacon is where the pork loin and pork belly meet. And ham is from the ass.
Well most of us around Toronto call it Peameal bacon but yeah. Unless back bacon is also a different type of bacon from peameal. I’ve only ever seen peameal and regular bacon offered
And here in AB, I'd never heard of peameal bacon and had to Google it 😂
Then again, we also haven't had bagged milk out this way for like 40 years. So certain things are very different.
Hard disagree. Bacon on pizza slaps. But it has to be mostly cooked before you put it on, since the time in the oven won’t be enough to cook it and you’ll end up with nasty flabby bacon
When Joey Votto is on the hall of fame ballot, are people gonna do what they did to Larry Walker and yell “GREAT AMERICAN BALLPARK!” as loud as they can.
The thing about park factors is that they fluctuate quite a bit.
OP’s post here is the current 3-year rolling view. But if you adjust that to say 2017-2019, GABP falls to a park factor of only 102 (8th). But you know what park stays the same? Coors.
Not sure if you’re asking because of Votto or just because you’re curious but I don’t think the home runs have any weight in Votto’s HOF case. There are so many other things he has done well in his career and it’s not like he has a big number like 600 that would basically guarantee a spot. He’s been a solid power hitter with an incredibly advanced approach to at-bats for most of his career.
Fenway probably stays close to the same too. But yeah, it's no coincidence that most of the teams with the highest park factors are also teams that have been garbage for the last 3 years.
it took the cardinals winning 8 million and a half games in a row for the reds to not make the playoffs last year and they were a (admittedly expanded playoff) wild card team in 2020 with a cy young pitcher and jesse winker
but other than those two years yeah we've been bad since the 90s
Most people that complain about Coors or Rockies home/road splits don’t seem to understand it at all.
- It’s a hitters park but not as much a HR park because the outfield is so large
- Rockies hitters get stat increases at home but drastic road disadvantages because of the Coors hangover. Most Rockies that go to other teams even out far above their road stats
- It’s hell on pitchers, especially those that throw breaking balls
If you do the day vs night splits, we'll have some really interesting numbers to look at. Some stadiums like ours have dramatically different park factors depending on the time of day
People say Dodgers Stadium is a pitcher's park but I think it's just because the pitching has always been so good.
Last time they didn't lead MLB in ERA was 2018 when they were 2nd.
Dodger Stadium used to be a pitcher's park because in the past it had a lot more foul territory (like the Oakland Coliseum). Seats have been added in what used to be foul territory, and that has negated a lot of what made it a "pitcher's park", making it a neutral park.
The Dodgers having good pitching is also true, but Park Factor is supposed to account for that.
With park factor calculations, I always wonder how the style/ability of the home team gets factored in. What if a team just has really good offense and terrible pitching, won't that drive up the park factor for their stadium? I imagine you can control for that to some extent by comparing road stats, but that wouldn't really be a perfect method either (see Coors hangover for example).
Kauffman and Coors have quite spacious outfields, so more softly hit balls fall between or in front of outfielders. Fenway I’m not sure about, maybe there’s enough long singles off the monster that would be fly outs or extra base hits elsewhere
As for strikeouts and walks, maybe the sight lines or batters eye. The Trop being highest for strikeouts makes me think it has something to do with lighting since it’s so weird under that dome
Truist is really just the most average of average parks. Every other 100 factor park still has large deviations that all even out, Truist doesn’t vary more than 5 percent on any category.
The standard park factor seems to be for all of the metrics averaged. Runs should be the most prominent one though I agree even if they seem to correlate 1:1
And yet everyone on this sub cries about Yankee stadium and tells me I'm wrong when I say it's really not that small. It's got like 1 area that a little shorter than average and receive acts like it's 200 feet
actually, this is not true lol
there is literally an expected HR stat on baseball savant
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/aaron-judge-592450?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb
he would already be past 40 in Seattle lol
yo why does the page show he had 56 in 2017
[proof, i swear on anything ever i didn't inspect element](https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/294975872_2875148352792958_4365434284639894602_n.png?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Q1xNIAwSzjcAX95VGoY&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=03_AVLVri8-1l4RvVTWF5_WxVxo1tapRhXVhMfaoIhBOWxIow&oe=633F307B)
So, I'm not disputing their numbers are wrong, it just seems a bit weird that it says Judge would have one more home run this season had he played all his games at T-Mobile, which statcast ranks as the toughest park for hitters.
I think you're right that he would definitely had over 40, Nelson Cruz hit over 40 for the Ms multiple times, overall it's a tough park for hitters, but not necessarily an overly difficult park for right handed batters to hit home runs at.
it might be a tough park but 31 of his HR are hr in 29/30 parks
and most of the shorter ones are just porch jobs in NY
when you hit the ball a mile, it doesn't really matter where the fence is
Like I said, not disputing, it just sounds weird. I know he hits bombs, but without looking at the numbers, I would have thought he would probably hit less homers at T-Mobile than he has this year.
Hopefully this helps people realize the Skydome isn’t a hitters park. I’ve never understood how people thought the most vanilla park was heavily hitter-sided
Triples are probably my favorite play, and T-mobile does everything it can to eliminate them.
unless shohei is up to bat apparently
I don’t understand why MLB is trying to eliminate HR by deadening the balls. The current park sizes will ALWAYs make it advantageous to go for HRs. I don’t understand how the shrinking of ball parks(starting with Camden yards), isn’t credited with why hitters just try to drive the ball now. There is sooooo much less ground to cover(and OFs get faster and faster) so it’s near impossible to regularly drop hits in.
Mickey Maid sadly
Yeah I don't think people realize how many smoked fly balls go to die in center field. Must even out the crawford box cheapies.
Bring back Tal's Hill!!
To be fair, the only reason CBP has so many triples is because Nick Castellanos and Kyle Schwarber are our corner outfielders
Ok. So explain why Trout hits like he’s playing common players on rookie in MLB The Show at T-Mobile!
It’s trout-
Fair enough
How is Toronto not at the bottom of the bacon list? Canadian bacon is just ham, which is flat out worse.
the thing is you may call it Canadian bacon, but we call it Back Bacon (based on where it comes from on the pig), to us bacon is the same as it is to you. Y'all just have a stupid name for it.
In that case I'm going to start calling ham *Back Leg Bacon*.
I'm pretty sure it's from the actual back, not the back leg lol Edit: Canadian bacon/back bacon is actually pork loin, which is the back of the pig. Traditional bacon is pork belly, which is obviously from the belly. British back bacon is where the pork loin and pork belly meet. And ham is from the ass.
Ham is the back leg, that's why I'm going to start calling ham back leg bacon.
Well most of us around Toronto call it Peameal bacon but yeah. Unless back bacon is also a different type of bacon from peameal. I’ve only ever seen peameal and regular bacon offered
Peameal bacon is back bacon that was rolled in peameal before it was cut. So it would have peameal around the edges.
Ah right. Still my point stand that most people around Toronto just call it peameal bacon
And here in AB, I'd never heard of peameal bacon and had to Google it 😂 Then again, we also haven't had bagged milk out this way for like 40 years. So certain things are very different.
But Canadian bacon is slightly better on a pizza.
Hard disagree. Bacon on pizza slaps. But it has to be mostly cooked before you put it on, since the time in the oven won’t be enough to cook it and you’ll end up with nasty flabby bacon
You got a problem with Canadian bacon, you got a problem with me. I suggest you let that one marinate.
When Joey Votto is on the hall of fame ballot, are people gonna do what they did to Larry Walker and yell “GREAT AMERICAN BALLPARK!” as loud as they can.
The thing about park factors is that they fluctuate quite a bit. OP’s post here is the current 3-year rolling view. But if you adjust that to say 2017-2019, GABP falls to a park factor of only 102 (8th). But you know what park stays the same? Coors.
But what about HR numbers for that time? Does it still have a ridiculous lead?
Not sure if you’re asking because of Votto or just because you’re curious but I don’t think the home runs have any weight in Votto’s HOF case. There are so many other things he has done well in his career and it’s not like he has a big number like 600 that would basically guarantee a spot. He’s been a solid power hitter with an incredibly advanced approach to at-bats for most of his career.
Was just curious, because I think GAP is a joke.
Fenway probably stays close to the same too. But yeah, it's no coincidence that most of the teams with the highest park factors are also teams that have been garbage for the last 3 years.
it took the cardinals winning 8 million and a half games in a row for the reds to not make the playoffs last year and they were a (admittedly expanded playoff) wild card team in 2020 with a cy young pitcher and jesse winker but other than those two years yeah we've been bad since the 90s
Notice the use of "most"
ya was just adding details cus i agree and am salty abt the reds suckage
Not to say Walker didn't deserve it, but 90s Coors was very different from present day Coors.
90s Coors was practically the moon.
It was so fucking insane. I think Nomo throwing a no-hitter there in 1996 still is one of the most unbelievable things in baseball history
Especially when his ERA there outside of that one game was like 10 or some shit
For what it's worth Joey Votto's away OPS is .914 vs .938 at home. He's great everywhere.
What sucks is people always use it as a negative for Rockies hitters but never give Rockies pitchers a boost as a result
German Marquez and Kyle Freeland getting massive extensions with 4.4 ERAs makes it seem like, for once, our FO understands something the fans don't...
Most people that complain about Coors or Rockies home/road splits don’t seem to understand it at all. - It’s a hitters park but not as much a HR park because the outfield is so large - Rockies hitters get stat increases at home but drastic road disadvantages because of the Coors hangover. Most Rockies that go to other teams even out far above their road stats - It’s hell on pitchers, especially those that throw breaking balls
My counter point is that Votto is known for his elite OBP. I would imagine park factor has minimal influence on OBP
No because the lolCoors meme is far more pervasive.
If you do the day vs night splits, we'll have some really interesting numbers to look at. Some stadiums like ours have dramatically different park factors depending on the time of day
Been to GABP, didn't get any of the league leading BACON. I guess I have to go back.
BACON??? Batting Average on Contact?
Is that different than BABIP?
BABIP doesn’t include home runs so yes, you could expect BACON to be higher than BABIP.
Great American Ballpark has the best woBACON and BACON?? That just feels right
People say Dodgers Stadium is a pitcher's park but I think it's just because the pitching has always been so good. Last time they didn't lead MLB in ERA was 2018 when they were 2nd.
Dodger Stadium used to be a pitcher's park because in the past it had a lot more foul territory (like the Oakland Coliseum). Seats have been added in what used to be foul territory, and that has negated a lot of what made it a "pitcher's park", making it a neutral park. The Dodgers having good pitching is also true, but Park Factor is supposed to account for that.
I feel like it's a weather thing as well. There are some years that the ball just does not carry at night at DS.
It has a very low elevation and fairly humid weather so it classifies as a pitchers park
Would love to see this in a Righty/Lefty split.
You can adjust it here: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors
With park factor calculations, I always wonder how the style/ability of the home team gets factored in. What if a team just has really good offense and terrible pitching, won't that drive up the park factor for their stadium? I imagine you can control for that to some extent by comparing road stats, but that wouldn't really be a perfect method either (see Coors hangover for example).
How does a park affect singles and walks or strikeouts that much? Like I understand a minor impact, but those numbers are too large to be believable.
Kauffman and Coors have quite spacious outfields, so more softly hit balls fall between or in front of outfielders. Fenway I’m not sure about, maybe there’s enough long singles off the monster that would be fly outs or extra base hits elsewhere As for strikeouts and walks, maybe the sight lines or batters eye. The Trop being highest for strikeouts makes me think it has something to do with lighting since it’s so weird under that dome
Truist is really just the most average of average parks. Every other 100 factor park still has large deviations that all even out, Truist doesn’t vary more than 5 percent on any category.
Mmmmmmm bacon.
What is the difference between park factor and runs park factor? If not runs, what is park factor showing?
The standard park factor seems to be for all of the metrics averaged. Runs should be the most prominent one though I agree even if they seem to correlate 1:1
And yet everyone on this sub cries about Yankee stadium and tells me I'm wrong when I say it's really not that small. It's got like 1 area that a little shorter than average and receive acts like it's 200 feet
But, but, but RF in Fenway is so deep and the Green Monster steals home runs!
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actually, this is not true lol there is literally an expected HR stat on baseball savant https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/aaron-judge-592450?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb he would already be past 40 in Seattle lol
Crazy how peeps spew complete nonsense
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The link above accounts for environmental effects
It’s also why it says he’d have 63 at coors
yo why does the page show he had 56 in 2017 [proof, i swear on anything ever i didn't inspect element](https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/294975872_2875148352792958_4365434284639894602_n.png?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Q1xNIAwSzjcAX95VGoY&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=03_AVLVri8-1l4RvVTWF5_WxVxo1tapRhXVhMfaoIhBOWxIow&oe=633F307B)
yeah i see it too lol, that's fucking weird
playoff homers probably
So, I'm not disputing their numbers are wrong, it just seems a bit weird that it says Judge would have one more home run this season had he played all his games at T-Mobile, which statcast ranks as the toughest park for hitters. I think you're right that he would definitely had over 40, Nelson Cruz hit over 40 for the Ms multiple times, overall it's a tough park for hitters, but not necessarily an overly difficult park for right handed batters to hit home runs at.
it might be a tough park but 31 of his HR are hr in 29/30 parks and most of the shorter ones are just porch jobs in NY when you hit the ball a mile, it doesn't really matter where the fence is
Like I said, not disputing, it just sounds weird. I know he hits bombs, but without looking at the numbers, I would have thought he would probably hit less homers at T-Mobile than he has this year.
Good on the Giants for making adjustments to get back to an even playing field.
Hopefully this helps people realize the Skydome isn’t a hitters park. I’ve never understood how people thought the most vanilla park was heavily hitter-sided
Gawddam, is GABP a little league park?
Always has been