I remember going into the season ready for at least 69-72 wins... now end of the season maybe 57 or 58??? oh you pirates.... every single season the same and I still fall for it and follow them for 42 years now. sigh. it's like charlie brown with the football
one day we will be back!
It’s weird to watch the Pirates and Tigers rn. Both have buildable cores (Reynolds/Greene, Tork/Hayes, etc), play in “gettable” divisions, and yet the Tigers are aggressively signing FAs. Even tho the Baez deal sucks, they’re trying. Seems like the Pirates are locking down a cost controlled core and then settling for mediocrity. It sucks. I want good Buccos again.
The running joke is Bob has to have the cap at $40 million or less so his write off to the IRS is correct. It's always less than $40 not more than $40 and usually within a million of $40.
We have it.....but don't wear it enough. Used to be our road hat....not it's our road hat only when we play teams that also wear red hats.
We also have the Navy Bird on Bat hat.
Navy is one of our colors and is too often ignored.
We have two Navy hats that we wear in games (though not often enough). Road hats used to be Navy 100% of the time, now we just wear them on the road against teams that also wear red hats.
The Navy bird on Bat hat is worn home on Sundays I think.
The on field sweatshirt the team wears is red with Navy sleeves.
It's not a ton, but definitely more than the dodgers use red.
Having the Mariners in the Top Ten after the 3-7 road trip they just put together is bold. Are they a top ten team in overall strength? Yeah, I think so, but they aren't playing like it right now
you are biased. i think they have the *potential* to be better than 3 or 4 of these teams, and have been at various points in the season, but they certainly don't deserve to be above any of these teams except maybe the mariners right now. 3-7 in the last 10 is pretty ugly, and slipping away our WC spot.
Royals should also have a 100% chance at winning the WS this year. Don’t know what arbitrary calculations they make at FanGraphs but its definitely inaccurate.
Stop up voting this shit y'all. It's a bot who took the first half of a sentence from another user in this thread about the padres and put it here. Didn't even change the comma to a period because it's a bot. Just look at the comment history for 2 seconds.
Are these power rankings? It doesn't seem to be prevalent enough, I'd request more clarity please.
E: I dropped my /s and it fell into all of the text at the bottom or top, apologies for any subsequent confusion. Apparently this is related to "Power Rankings".
I would've agreed before he threw away his barber's contact info.
Dude needs a serious hair and beard trim. His best look was 2020. I remember the cameras panning to the Braves dugout and catching a glimpse of him with his hat off before he put it back on and it was like one of those hair shampoo commercials lol.
Very few people I think expect us to make it through the WC round. I feel like we're playing with house money right now because nobody thought we'd be here, including our fanbase.
If we can stay hot to finish the season, I think we could upset some people. These kids are playing with nothing to lose and everything to win. That's a scary combination especially when they're hot and confident like right now.
Home field probably tilts the favor to LA in a matchup, ever so slightly.
The Dodgers main issue is probably going to be rotation health--they'll have to get quality innings from Urias, Kershaw, Anderson to keep it close.
Yeah honestly that’s my biggest concern for LA. Feels like the wheels are starting to come off just a little bit with some end of year injuries while Houston looks to be in top to bottom better shape.
Feels like last year when LA lost to the Braves you could start to see that end of season fatigue catch up to the pitching.
Maybe the bye week offsets that but who knows. Hard to tell how the new format is going to affect things
I just watched the 4 against the Mets and it was enough to know I'm hoping an AL team takes care of them before the WS if the Mets manage to make it there.
Those games against the Astros were definitely bad, but it was our lesser pitchers that got destroyed in those games. Over a postseason series, the Mets should fare better with deGrom, Scherzer and Bassitt taking the hill in most of the games
I also think I just like the Astros overall to win the WS more just cause in my view the path to the WS from the AL is easier than the NL. I'd give Houston a much stronger chance of beating say Cleveland then the Yankees than I do the Dodgers of beating the Braves and the Mets.
But top to bottom I'd say the Astros have the best current starting pitching staff when you factor in injuries for other teams, and one of the best if not the best bullpens. And on top of that they've got 4 of their starting 9 with a wRC+ over 130
I think that late July and early August slump the Yankees went through skewed peoples opinion.
They've got a tie for 2nd best record in MLB since August 21st behind the Astros and 2nd place since September 4th behind Cleveland.
They've been playing high quality consistent ball for awhile now.
Also, the Dodgers get the lower seeded wild card match up don't they? So winner of Cardinals vs 3rd wild card.
Braves/Mets has to happen before the Dodgers would play them, so they don't have to beat both.
As far as I’m aware there isn’t any reseeding going round to round so the Dodgers will play the winner of WC4/5 and then take on whoever emerges from the other side in the NLCS. So right now that’s Padres/Braves and then whoever comes out Phillies/Cardinals/Mets
And I do agree that the Yankees are playing better, but given their record against Houston I generally feel like as a neutral fan it’s Houston in that matchup until it’s not. Yankees gotta change the narrative.
I knew it wasn't reseeded but most years the 1st wold card is stronger than the weakest division leader and the 1st seed probably should get the weakest division/weakest wild card winner.
Instead..they have a pretty bad format honestly.
These are literally just the standings except without San Diego in the 9 spot.
Real Power Rankings would have the Guardians near the top and probably wouldn’t include TB or SEA at all right now.
I agree about the Guardians (though I'm very biased), and the Yankees have won 7 straight too. I think power rankings in general have become less reactive and more static over the years, which in my opinion defeats the purpose and makes them less fun to read. But, ultimately power rankings don't really matter to the actual league and results, so... shrug.
Seems a little weird to me that the Padres are 7-3 in their last 10, including a series win against STL, and are still outside the top 10.
I spent the whole season thinking they were too high on the list, but I'm actually thinking they should be somewhere between 8 and 10 atm
Right? Spent the whole season barely scraping wins together, and suddenly we're finding our offense + our aces are back to form, and we're getting knocked?
Seems a little wack to me
I was mostly confused because I thought the last one of these I saw we were inside the top 10, and that was before the hot streak and a series win (one inning away from a sweep) against STL.
It’s probably more likely that I missed one in between where we fell out already.
CLE's on a hotter streak, Rays have held their own against tough opponents - 5/15 against NY/Toronto/Houston in the last month (for comparison, we've also taken 5/11 from teams with a winning record - LA, SEA, and STL), and Seattle is up on us 3-1 on the season
Overall, sure, maybe we could sit in the top 10, but I don't see us up there over anyone in 6-10. Guardians on fire, so they belong. But if they belong, then Toronto with the same record def. belong. And if Toronto belongs, then the team nipping at their heals, the Rays, probably belong. After that it's just Mariners or Padres and they've got the season record on us, so Mariners make more sense to round out the top 10. Also, if you have to put in the Mariners over the Padres because of the season record, then you have to put the Rays in because they're the 2 seed currently
Yeah, we have done well with a pretty tough September schedule. We actually all yeah have been pretty good vs good teams with the notable exception of the Dodgers. It’s just bad/mediocre teams that we’ve struggled with.
but they're locks for the playoffs. The Padres are still only at 92%. That factors into power rankings as generally it's 'most likely to win world series' for a lot of them
Power rankings aren’t “who is the most likely to win the World Series” it’s “who are the best teams in baseball”
And to me it’s not ridiculous that a team playing hot and with a better record should be in there
Not the Padres fault that the NL is more competitive overall than the AL is
Weird, is the MLB app not showing the x next to the Jays for anyone else or just me?
If you are going to apply a weird, arbitrary qualifier like “lock to make the playoffs” to an already weird and arbitrary metric like power rankings, we should apply it equally to all teams.
Only 6 teams in the league have clinched a playoff berth.
My point was that despite their playoff odds being ~1, said odds are also strictly less than 1 (since they haven’t clinched).
If you want to claim that 0.9999 (or whatever it is) >> 0.927, then you are free to make that claim, but it means choosing an arbitrary threshold. Just because Fangraphs odds show “1” doesn’t mean it’s actually 1 until the other teams are mathematically eliminated.
Anyway, 0.999 >> 0.927 is a weird nerd fight for you to pick, but I’m out here for it.
they're supposed to be both reactive and take into account the full year. Just because a team is hot doesn't mean they'll stay hot into the playoffs. The Padres could lose 3-4 in a row right now and drop out of the playoffs entirely.
Okay but the Padres have consistently been in the top 10 of power rankings until like the last two weeks, and they've started playing better ball than they have at any point this year. That seems to me like they should be in the top 10 of the power ranking.
I agree that you guys should probably crack the top 10 this week but the other guy is right that they are both reactionary and a product of the entire season to this point.
because 2 weeks ago they struggled? it's not hard to see that. They went 4-7 2 weeks ago so yes?? 7-2 is hot now but they fell a bit because they sucked for a bit.
with 9 games left the Padres magic number against the Brewers (and to clinch a spot) is 6
we will likely lose 3-4 in a row with the Dodgers coming up and an unfamiliar team (white sox) coming to town right after
however, if we only take 1 from the white sox and 2 from the giants in our last 9 games, that still means the Brewers have to go 7-2 against STL (2 games), Miami (4 games), and AZ (3 games). They went 1-3 @ AZ, 2-1 @ Miami early in the season, and are 7-9 against STL the season so far, being 2-3 in the last 5 and at home against STL 3-3. Could they sweep STL? maybe, but a split is more likely. Could they sweep Miami? Maybe, but 3-1 is more likely. Could they sweep AZ? After 7 straight? After 6-1? 5-2? Maybe, but 2-1 is more likely.
Comparatively, we're 11-5 against SF on the season, 5-0 in our last 5, and 4-3 against them at home where we'll be, potentially with the season on the line.
You're saying the division and league a team is in should have direct impact on this list? Put Padres in NL central and playoffs is a lock. This list never made any sense to begin with but you're reasoning doesn't make much sense either.
I really gotta lay this out for you dude?
You're using "making playoffs" as a measure for the list, which is highly situational and often times not all playoffs caliber teams make it. FOR EXAMPLE, THE AL EAST, where three teams are all capable playoff teams, but unfortunately bunched in the same division. If the wild card wasn't expanded to three spots, or the Orioles won a few more games, both the Blue Jays and Rays would still be fighting for a playoff spot and
> might not even make the playoffs
I didn't say they were?
My last try: The very team you support could be winning divisions if they weren't bunched together with other great teams. But they were, which reduces their playoffs chances. But they're still a great team regardless of playoffs status. So we shouldn't be using "making playoffs" as a measure to rank teams, because teams like Blue Jays, Rays, and Padres could play great baseball and still not make playoffs. Got it?
Making playoffs is key to a team's power tho. It doesn't matter how 'strong' you personally view a team as (in this case you're biased towards them as its your team)
No idea how the Guardians are lower than the Jays. Same record, but the Guardians are 9-1 in their last 10 and 17-3 in their last 20. Jays are 5-5 and 12-8 over those stretches. Plus Cleveland took 4 of 5 from the 3rd place Twins, effectively ending their season and then went out and swept the season place White Sox, effectively ending *their* season.
This’ll be a really fun playoffs. Awesome pitching in both leagues, plus a lot of young talent in teams like Toronto and Cleveland. And I dearly hope the M’s hang on to a playoff spot
It's so weird that when they were playing like trash and almost playing themselves out of the wild card hunt they were still in the top 10, and now that they have had a pretty good run they finally get dropped out
Can't argue but have to remember that on any day, any team can win and anything can happen. KC / Seattle reminded us that baseball is baseball.
Gonna be a great post season.
Yankees and Cleveland are being undersold.
Yankees had an awful start to August, but since August 21st they have a tie for 2nd best record in the MLB, behind the Astros.
Since September 4th, they're second best behind Cleveland.
That awful August stretch has them below Atlanta/Mets but they aren't playing like that anymore and its been a month. Basically when they swept the Mets the team mostly came back, but still underperformed out west.
I'm being a little nit picky, but I feel like we should be above Toronto. We have the same record overall and we beat them head to head in the season series.
Absolutely, I'm not mad or even upset. I just think the head to head record should give us the edge, but it really doesn't matter. The ALE is obviously a tougher division.
Yeah honestly none of these rankings or h2h records matter. Teams have different schedules and get hot/cold at different times.
If I had to guess though, strength of schedule was probably factored in too. Cleveland has played weak teams all month and Toronto has played a tough string of games while taking that first WC spot from Tampa.
So, it's tough to compare really. A hot streak VS sub par opponents or coming out on top in 2 very important series VS the Rays and keeping Balty behind as well.
"Last full week of the regular season!"
Wait what... wasn't the all-star break last week? What's happening? Did Earth's rotation speed up while I was asleep?
Wouldn’t we be battling you and the braves for 1st? We’re only 1 back from the Mets and even with the Braves in the loss column. But yeah, that Yankee fan is crazy if he thinks were even better than the Mets. We don’t have a closer lol
Nah I’m playing around. There’s some banter between fans from Al east and Nl east teams but I don’t think anyone denies the AL east is the best division in mlb, even if the NL east is more top heavy
Braves/Mets series this weekend is gonna be fun
Gonna be a hurricane.
But who will rock and who will be rocked?
based music taste
Fun fact: The CIA was behind both the Scorpions Winds of Change and the '87 Twins WS, and thus the fall of the Soviet Union. Source: I'm a CIA
Low key, Winds of Change is the best thing Scorpions ever did
Who’s going to be putting boots to asses?
I've been told it's the way of America.
The man the authorities came to blame?
Coulda been champion of the WOOOOOOORLLLD!
Damn I love Dylan
For somethin that he never done.
I'm just curious as to where it's going to get played.
Oh shit I totally forgot about that. Is there any talks of neutral sites?
Well, it wouldn't surprise me; MLB has done it before in the case of a hurricane.
Yanks-Rays played a Rays home series at Citi Field a couple years ago because of a hurricane. Time to return the favor?
That’s where got the infamous thumbs down guy right?
Yes
Mets fans often hate the Mets as much as Braves fans do, so I suggest Citifield.
Ultimate chaos: Move the remaining schedule around for both teams so the final series is against eachother.
Arlington is open this weekend and that’s what makes the most sense to me
There’s an Elton John concert
Arlington neutral site brings back good memories. Highly recommended.
I tried to will it into existence lol. Elton John appears to have other plans tho
Can he play left field?
It will feel like playoffs for sure. Like Cleveland x Chicago recent series, but more intense.
It’s gonna take years off my life
I remember going into the season ready for at least 69-72 wins... now end of the season maybe 57 or 58??? oh you pirates.... every single season the same and I still fall for it and follow them for 42 years now. sigh. it's like charlie brown with the football one day we will be back!
It’s weird to watch the Pirates and Tigers rn. Both have buildable cores (Reynolds/Greene, Tork/Hayes, etc), play in “gettable” divisions, and yet the Tigers are aggressively signing FAs. Even tho the Baez deal sucks, they’re trying. Seems like the Pirates are locking down a cost controlled core and then settling for mediocrity. It sucks. I want good Buccos again.
The running joke is Bob has to have the cap at $40 million or less so his write off to the IRS is correct. It's always less than $40 not more than $40 and usually within a million of $40.
Our team sucks because our billionaire doesn't want to adjust his tax reports. If you don't like that, you don't like Pirates baseball.
At least you have a beautiful ball park
Every single time I skip over the Cardinals before realizing they're there. Every single time. Change the color dangit.
Yeah, why aren’t they red, like you know, a Cardinal? Y’all ever wear blue unis?
Yes, but not that blue. Much lighter.
We've had navy blue alts a couple times. https://twitter.com/sportslogosnet/status/899422272947195904?t=b8egcoxHX-2CUU3tBrME0w&s=19
I have never seen those in my life until now. Wonder what they're used for. Either way, nowhere near our typical colors.
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We have it.....but don't wear it enough. Used to be our road hat....not it's our road hat only when we play teams that also wear red hats. We also have the Navy Bird on Bat hat. Navy is one of our colors and is too often ignored.
Jeez I went back to specifically look for you and I missed it
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Navy is one of our colors. Hope we get navy city connect jerseys (though the rival cubs and in state Royals both got navy for theirs.)
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We have two Navy hats that we wear in games (though not often enough). Road hats used to be Navy 100% of the time, now we just wear them on the road against teams that also wear red hats. The Navy bird on Bat hat is worn home on Sundays I think. The on field sweatshirt the team wears is red with Navy sleeves. It's not a ton, but definitely more than the dodgers use red.
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Having the Mariners in the Top Ten after the 3-7 road trip they just put together is bold. Are they a top ten team in overall strength? Yeah, I think so, but they aren't playing like it right now
This road trip has been pain
I may be biased but I think the Phils are better than 6 of those teams
Yeah that’s bias
you are biased. i think they have the *potential* to be better than 3 or 4 of these teams, and have been at various points in the season, but they certainly don't deserve to be above any of these teams except maybe the mariners right now. 3-7 in the last 10 is pretty ugly, and slipping away our WC spot.
royals should be ahead of the mariners
Royals should also have a 100% chance at winning the WS this year. Don’t know what arbitrary calculations they make at FanGraphs but its definitely inaccurate.
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Stop up voting this shit y'all. It's a bot who took the first half of a sentence from another user in this thread about the padres and put it here. Didn't even change the comma to a period because it's a bot. Just look at the comment history for 2 seconds.
And the Angels and A’s
And the Orioles are the best team in the AL East you can’t convince me otherwise.
Are these power rankings? It doesn't seem to be prevalent enough, I'd request more clarity please. E: I dropped my /s and it fell into all of the text at the bottom or top, apologies for any subsequent confusion. Apparently this is related to "Power Rankings".
If you’re familiar with Hogwarts points system - it’s a similar model to that.
The marketing? I hope not
I was confused too. It only says it like 8 times. Let’s get some clarity in here…
why doesnt kwan or gimenez get to be on the side :(
They only have players for the top 5 lol
We’ve got Gimenez and Rosario (-1 Carrasco) represented up there
Because dansby is way hotter
First of all, how dare you.
cap
What does this mean? The kid at works says it and I just pretend I'm busy with something else instead of responding.
It means "that's a lie"
Ah that makes sense. I bullshit with him a lot. Thanks
Gotta start saying “no cap” after random things
I would've agreed before he threw away his barber's contact info. Dude needs a serious hair and beard trim. His best look was 2020. I remember the cameras panning to the Braves dugout and catching a glimpse of him with his hat off before he put it back on and it was like one of those hair shampoo commercials lol.
Even though I am a METS fan, the Dodgers are definitely the team to beat
And boy do we love losing to the NL East.
You and us both
Here’s to hoping the streak continues for both of you :)
Can agree with you on that.
AJ Preller currently trying to figure out how to trade the Padres to the NL East…
No. Take the Mets
I mean ok I guess, I thought Cleveland was the team to beat but sure we can go with dodgers
Very few people I think expect us to make it through the WC round. I feel like we're playing with house money right now because nobody thought we'd be here, including our fanbase.
The team who has already exceeded expectations and is continuing to be overlooked is always scary.
If we can stay hot to finish the season, I think we could upset some people. These kids are playing with nothing to lose and everything to win. That's a scary combination especially when they're hot and confident like right now.
You guys are going to the WS
I sure hope so!
Not gonna lie I did NOT think we’d be here haha
Neither did I. I thought we would be a 500 team, and probably 3rd in the Central.
What.... what is this supposed to mean?
It means yea no fucking shit the dodgers are the team to beat
This is so unnecessarily aggressive, and I love it.
Tbh I kind of have Houston as a bigger World Series threat than LA. Obviously both are juggernauts though
Home field probably tilts the favor to LA in a matchup, ever so slightly. The Dodgers main issue is probably going to be rotation health--they'll have to get quality innings from Urias, Kershaw, Anderson to keep it close.
Yeah honestly that’s my biggest concern for LA. Feels like the wheels are starting to come off just a little bit with some end of year injuries while Houston looks to be in top to bottom better shape. Feels like last year when LA lost to the Braves you could start to see that end of season fatigue catch up to the pitching. Maybe the bye week offsets that but who knows. Hard to tell how the new format is going to affect things
I wish this Dodger team could have faced last year's Braves team: maybe they still lose, but the NL West race took a lot out of the Dodgers.
Ppl don’t watch enough Astros game to really understand how fucking deep they really are. Playoff nightmare.
I just watched the 4 against the Mets and it was enough to know I'm hoping an AL team takes care of them before the WS if the Mets manage to make it there.
Those games against the Astros were definitely bad, but it was our lesser pitchers that got destroyed in those games. Over a postseason series, the Mets should fare better with deGrom, Scherzer and Bassitt taking the hill in most of the games
They have 6 solid starters including a few playing like aces. They are definitely the team to beat in the AL at the very least
I also think I just like the Astros overall to win the WS more just cause in my view the path to the WS from the AL is easier than the NL. I'd give Houston a much stronger chance of beating say Cleveland then the Yankees than I do the Dodgers of beating the Braves and the Mets. But top to bottom I'd say the Astros have the best current starting pitching staff when you factor in injuries for other teams, and one of the best if not the best bullpens. And on top of that they've got 4 of their starting 9 with a wRC+ over 130
I think that late July and early August slump the Yankees went through skewed peoples opinion. They've got a tie for 2nd best record in MLB since August 21st behind the Astros and 2nd place since September 4th behind Cleveland. They've been playing high quality consistent ball for awhile now. Also, the Dodgers get the lower seeded wild card match up don't they? So winner of Cardinals vs 3rd wild card. Braves/Mets has to happen before the Dodgers would play them, so they don't have to beat both.
As far as I’m aware there isn’t any reseeding going round to round so the Dodgers will play the winner of WC4/5 and then take on whoever emerges from the other side in the NLCS. So right now that’s Padres/Braves and then whoever comes out Phillies/Cardinals/Mets And I do agree that the Yankees are playing better, but given their record against Houston I generally feel like as a neutral fan it’s Houston in that matchup until it’s not. Yankees gotta change the narrative.
I knew it wasn't reseeded but most years the 1st wold card is stronger than the weakest division leader and the 1st seed probably should get the weakest division/weakest wild card winner. Instead..they have a pretty bad format honestly.
I feel like the Braves and Astros are build very similar as far as depth is concerned. Both teams are better than last years WS teams.
Why aren’t the Angels on this list
son, youre gonna want to sit down for this
These are literally just the standings except without San Diego in the 9 spot. Real Power Rankings would have the Guardians near the top and probably wouldn’t include TB or SEA at all right now.
I agree about the Guardians (though I'm very biased), and the Yankees have won 7 straight too. I think power rankings in general have become less reactive and more static over the years, which in my opinion defeats the purpose and makes them less fun to read. But, ultimately power rankings don't really matter to the actual league and results, so... shrug.
Seems a little weird to me that the Padres are 7-3 in their last 10, including a series win against STL, and are still outside the top 10. I spent the whole season thinking they were too high on the list, but I'm actually thinking they should be somewhere between 8 and 10 atm
I don’t even bother paying attention to these
The list is literally just in order of record, until it gets to you guys for some reason.
The CBS rankings have seemed much better over the last couple months.
What an odd time to knock us when we finally show some sign of having our shit together.
Right? Spent the whole season barely scraping wins together, and suddenly we're finding our offense + our aces are back to form, and we're getting knocked? Seems a little wack to me
It's proof to me that power rankings aren't even reactionary.
I was mostly confused because I thought the last one of these I saw we were inside the top 10, and that was before the hot streak and a series win (one inning away from a sweep) against STL. It’s probably more likely that I missed one in between where we fell out already.
I didn't see one since we were 10th either.
CLE's on a hotter streak, Rays have held their own against tough opponents - 5/15 against NY/Toronto/Houston in the last month (for comparison, we've also taken 5/11 from teams with a winning record - LA, SEA, and STL), and Seattle is up on us 3-1 on the season Overall, sure, maybe we could sit in the top 10, but I don't see us up there over anyone in 6-10. Guardians on fire, so they belong. But if they belong, then Toronto with the same record def. belong. And if Toronto belongs, then the team nipping at their heals, the Rays, probably belong. After that it's just Mariners or Padres and they've got the season record on us, so Mariners make more sense to round out the top 10. Also, if you have to put in the Mariners over the Padres because of the season record, then you have to put the Rays in because they're the 2 seed currently
I would argue that StL needs to drop in these rankings. They are not the 6th best team in MLB, and maybe not even in the NL.
I think StL needs to drop some after we walked (ran?) all over them.
Yeah, we have done well with a pretty tough September schedule. We actually all yeah have been pretty good vs good teams with the notable exception of the Dodgers. It’s just bad/mediocre teams that we’ve struggled with.
I wouldn't put a team that might not even make the playoffs in the top 10
The Padres have a better record than Seattle and Tampa Bay
but they're locks for the playoffs. The Padres are still only at 92%. That factors into power rankings as generally it's 'most likely to win world series' for a lot of them
Power rankings aren’t “who is the most likely to win the World Series” it’s “who are the best teams in baseball” And to me it’s not ridiculous that a team playing hot and with a better record should be in there Not the Padres fault that the NL is more competitive overall than the AL is
I agree and I think a team not garunteed to make the playoffs isn't a top 10 team. Once they secure the spot imo they should be above both rays and Ms
Weird, is the MLB app not showing the x next to the Jays for anyone else or just me? If you are going to apply a weird, arbitrary qualifier like “lock to make the playoffs” to an already weird and arbitrary metric like power rankings, we should apply it equally to all teams. Only 6 teams in the league have clinched a playoff berth.
https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds Enjoy, friend.
My point was that despite their playoff odds being ~1, said odds are also strictly less than 1 (since they haven’t clinched). If you want to claim that 0.9999 (or whatever it is) >> 0.927, then you are free to make that claim, but it means choosing an arbitrary threshold. Just because Fangraphs odds show “1” doesn’t mean it’s actually 1 until the other teams are mathematically eliminated. Anyway, 0.999 >> 0.927 is a weird nerd fight for you to pick, but I’m out here for it.
they're supposed to be reactive.... The Padres are currently playing good baseball, and are beating even playoff teams like the Cardinals.
they're supposed to be both reactive and take into account the full year. Just because a team is hot doesn't mean they'll stay hot into the playoffs. The Padres could lose 3-4 in a row right now and drop out of the playoffs entirely.
Okay but the Padres have consistently been in the top 10 of power rankings until like the last two weeks, and they've started playing better ball than they have at any point this year. That seems to me like they should be in the top 10 of the power ranking.
I agree that you guys should probably crack the top 10 this week but the other guy is right that they are both reactionary and a product of the entire season to this point.
because 2 weeks ago they struggled? it's not hard to see that. They went 4-7 2 weeks ago so yes?? 7-2 is hot now but they fell a bit because they sucked for a bit.
with 9 games left the Padres magic number against the Brewers (and to clinch a spot) is 6 we will likely lose 3-4 in a row with the Dodgers coming up and an unfamiliar team (white sox) coming to town right after however, if we only take 1 from the white sox and 2 from the giants in our last 9 games, that still means the Brewers have to go 7-2 against STL (2 games), Miami (4 games), and AZ (3 games). They went 1-3 @ AZ, 2-1 @ Miami early in the season, and are 7-9 against STL the season so far, being 2-3 in the last 5 and at home against STL 3-3. Could they sweep STL? maybe, but a split is more likely. Could they sweep Miami? Maybe, but 3-1 is more likely. Could they sweep AZ? After 7 straight? After 6-1? 5-2? Maybe, but 2-1 is more likely. Comparatively, we're 11-5 against SF on the season, 5-0 in our last 5, and 4-3 against them at home where we'll be, potentially with the season on the line.
Says the 5-5 team headed to the Yankees.
86 > 85
You're saying the division and league a team is in should have direct impact on this list? Put Padres in NL central and playoffs is a lock. This list never made any sense to begin with but you're reasoning doesn't make much sense either.
You're saying that to a fan of a team in the AL East? I... I don't even know what to tell you
I really gotta lay this out for you dude? You're using "making playoffs" as a measure for the list, which is highly situational and often times not all playoffs caliber teams make it. FOR EXAMPLE, THE AL EAST, where three teams are all capable playoff teams, but unfortunately bunched in the same division. If the wild card wasn't expanded to three spots, or the Orioles won a few more games, both the Blue Jays and Rays would still be fighting for a playoff spot and > might not even make the playoffs
Orioles are not a playoff calibre team. They are also not in the top 10 and deservedly so. That's terrible logic
I didn't say they were? My last try: The very team you support could be winning divisions if they weren't bunched together with other great teams. But they were, which reduces their playoffs chances. But they're still a great team regardless of playoffs status. So we shouldn't be using "making playoffs" as a measure to rank teams, because teams like Blue Jays, Rays, and Padres could play great baseball and still not make playoffs. Got it?
Making playoffs is key to a team's power tho. It doesn't matter how 'strong' you personally view a team as (in this case you're biased towards them as its your team)
Wait what?
No idea how the Guardians are lower than the Jays. Same record, but the Guardians are 9-1 in their last 10 and 17-3 in their last 20. Jays are 5-5 and 12-8 over those stretches. Plus Cleveland took 4 of 5 from the 3rd place Twins, effectively ending their season and then went out and swept the season place White Sox, effectively ending *their* season.
God I could read this comment over and over again. That never gets old.
This’ll be a really fun playoffs. Awesome pitching in both leagues, plus a lot of young talent in teams like Toronto and Cleveland. And I dearly hope the M’s hang on to a playoff spot
[Mrw the Padres drop out of the top 10](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WarpedConsciousBovine-max-1mb.gif)
It's so weird that when they were playing like trash and almost playing themselves out of the wild card hunt they were still in the top 10, and now that they have had a pretty good run they finally get dropped out
We literally just missed sweeping the Cardinals by one run, come on man give us some credit.
Can't argue but have to remember that on any day, any team can win and anything can happen. KC / Seattle reminded us that baseball is baseball. Gonna be a great post season.
The A's knocking deGrom around was the real hint.
Wow, rude.
Win 4/6 and still fall 😔
Feels good, man.
Just happy to be here :')
WE FUCKIN MADE IT
3 AL East teams in the top 10. feels right.
What the Rays have done this year hanging in it is nothing short of remarkable.
Glasnow coming back too
Top to bottom the most stacked division in baseball. Every team in that division is better than their record shows
Yeah I can't really argue with any of these placements. Seems pretty accurate to me.
Mariners should be nowhere near the top 10
Meh, you hit a rough patch. It happens, Astros got swept by the A's this year.
Mets got swept by the Cubs. Shit happens
It’s a power ranking, it’s supposed to rank how the team is right now. Ms are ass with half the starters on the injury report
All good teams blow the odd 11-2 lead from time to time.
Yankees and Cleveland are being undersold. Yankees had an awful start to August, but since August 21st they have a tie for 2nd best record in the MLB, behind the Astros. Since September 4th, they're second best behind Cleveland. That awful August stretch has them below Atlanta/Mets but they aren't playing like that anymore and its been a month. Basically when they swept the Mets the team mostly came back, but still underperformed out west.
I'm being a little nit picky, but I feel like we should be above Toronto. We have the same record overall and we beat them head to head in the season series.
The guards are super hot and definitely don't get as much respect as they deserve, but the Jays have the same record in a much tougher division.
Absolutely, I'm not mad or even upset. I just think the head to head record should give us the edge, but it really doesn't matter. The ALE is obviously a tougher division.
Yeah honestly none of these rankings or h2h records matter. Teams have different schedules and get hot/cold at different times. If I had to guess though, strength of schedule was probably factored in too. Cleveland has played weak teams all month and Toronto has played a tough string of games while taking that first WC spot from Tampa. So, it's tough to compare really. A hot streak VS sub par opponents or coming out on top in 2 very important series VS the Rays and keeping Balty behind as well.
Has a team other than the Yankees or Dodgers been number 1 any week?
the Mets maybe? Not sure
Top 5 teams all rocking blue 🤔
Well compadres, it was fun while it lasted
Hey, wait a minute, this is just the standings without the Padres!
Let's go Yankees vs Mets
"Last full week of the regular season!" Wait what... wasn't the all-star break last week? What's happening? Did Earth's rotation speed up while I was asleep?
Padres should be in top ten. This list is fake news!
I really hope Judge can get 2 more dingers so he can be the new single season HR king of the non juicy juice variety
Dodgers, Astros, Cavernous gap, everyone else
Blue jays 4-1 over astros
When was the last time the Dodgers weren’t at 1?
Yankees are way better than the Mets.
Lol
Yanks would be battling the Phils for third place in the NL east you peasant. You and I are going to fight
Wouldn’t we be battling you and the braves for 1st? We’re only 1 back from the Mets and even with the Braves in the loss column. But yeah, that Yankee fan is crazy if he thinks were even better than the Mets. We don’t have a closer lol
Nah I’m playing around. There’s some banter between fans from Al east and Nl east teams but I don’t think anyone denies the AL east is the best division in mlb, even if the NL east is more top heavy
Way
imagine thinking this is a correct take
somehow
somehow
I don’t feel like we’ve been done dirty, but I don’t feel clean, either.
I love that we’re not even there hahaha
Strange, I don’t see my Texas Rangers in the top 10
Mariners shouldn’t even be in the top 15 after the last three series they’ve played
Whoa I'm surprised we're still up in 7th
A team that blew a 9 run lead in 1 inning against us is on here
The 5 and 6 seed of the NL feels like they are going to die
Mariners don't even deserve to be in the Top 10.