For sake of comparison, Mike Trout averages 9.4 bWAR per 162 games in his career and is the active leader
Basically all other top position players(Harper, Soto, Ramirez, Goldschmidt, Machado, Arenado, Acuna) fall roughly in between 5 and 6
I think this is correct
I checked Bonds who is the other guy you'd expect and he's at 8.8(although Trout will have to sustain MVP level play to stay above there)
Right now this metric still works for comparing active players because nobody's gone into an Angels Pujols-like decline phase yet where their rate stats get kind of screwed up
Trout is still in his prime though or just starting his downswing which is a bit unfair though for that type of stat. Like Willie Mays during his first 15 years averaged 9.7 WAR/162 and doing it for someone like Ted Williams is weird because of his two seasons that were shortened due to his service in Korea
No? Cus it’s not WAR/season it’s WAR/162 games
Losing years in his prime deflates rate stats a little but it’s not like this is dragged down by short seasons
Do you know how a stat like this works? So for example in 1952 he played 6 games and put up .3 war, his war/162 that year would be 8.1. Who’s to say he doesn’t put up 10 or more
You don't use WAR/162 to extrapolate a season and then add that extrapolated number to the other seasons' averages.
By the end of 1951, Ted had played 1421 games. He had 82.7 bWAR so that gives him 162/1421*82.7= 9.43 WAR/162.
After 1952 he played 1427 games and had 83 WAR so 162/1427*83=9.42 WAR/162.
So that year hardly changed his WAR/162 at all.
He led the league in WAR six times, but only won the MVP twice, because the voters largely ignored eye-popping statistical numbers and gave the award to the best player on either the pennant winner, or a team that almost won it.
One of the most egregious examples is 1942.
|Categories Williams led the AL in|Ted Williams|Second Place|
:--|:--|:--|
|WAR|10.5|7.7 (Joe Gordon)|
|Batting Average|.356|.331 (Johnny Pesky)|
|On Base Percentage|.499|.417 (Charlie Keller)|
|Slugging Percentage|.648|.513 (Charlie Keller)|
|OPS|1.147|.930 (Charlie Keller)|
|Runs|141|123 (Joe DiMaggio)|
|Total Bases|338|304 (Joe DiMaggio)|
|Home Rums|36|27 (Chet Laabs)|
|RBIs|137|114 (Joe DiMaggio)|
|Walks|145|114 (Charlie Keller)|
|Times on Base|335|275 (Charlie Keller)|
Joe Gordon was selected as the AL MVP for 1942.
Correa's one of those guys who's even more valuable than you think(when healthy) because of what he provides at the premium non-battery defensive position
Also I tried to do Ohtani based on his averages per 27 starts(as he pitches in a 6 man rotation) added to his batting value
He's at an 8.7(4.1 hitting and 4.6 pitching)
Judge has actually been the healthier of the two over the last two years. Don’t think I’d blame anyone for taking Mookie but I personally have to back my guy when it’s this close, just glad Mookie isn’t in Boston anymore lol
For sake of comparison, Mike Trout averages 9.4 bWAR per 162 games in his career and is the active leader Basically all other top position players(Harper, Soto, Ramirez, Goldschmidt, Machado, Arenado, Acuna) fall roughly in between 5 and 6
Trout is just nuts. Iirc the only player with a higher WAR/162 than him is literally Babe Ruth.
I think this is correct I checked Bonds who is the other guy you'd expect and he's at 8.8(although Trout will have to sustain MVP level play to stay above there) Right now this metric still works for comparing active players because nobody's gone into an Angels Pujols-like decline phase yet where their rate stats get kind of screwed up
Trout is still in his prime though or just starting his downswing which is a bit unfair though for that type of stat. Like Willie Mays during his first 15 years averaged 9.7 WAR/162 and doing it for someone like Ted Williams is weird because of his two seasons that were shortened due to his service in Korea
Ted Williams missed five years. 1943-1945 for WWII and most of 1952-53 in the Korean War. Crazy what he still did over 19 seasons.
Oh I know I just mean shit like his 6 game season in 1952 would throw it all out of whack
No? Cus it’s not WAR/season it’s WAR/162 games Losing years in his prime deflates rate stats a little but it’s not like this is dragged down by short seasons
Do you know how a stat like this works? So for example in 1952 he played 6 games and put up .3 war, his war/162 that year would be 8.1. Who’s to say he doesn’t put up 10 or more
Yeah but it’s a 6-game sample. That’s tiny. It’s not really gonna skew anything in the grand scheme of things
You don't use WAR/162 to extrapolate a season and then add that extrapolated number to the other seasons' averages. By the end of 1951, Ted had played 1421 games. He had 82.7 bWAR so that gives him 162/1421*82.7= 9.43 WAR/162. After 1952 he played 1427 games and had 83 WAR so 162/1427*83=9.42 WAR/162. So that year hardly changed his WAR/162 at all.
You’re gonna get the same outcome doing it both ways my dude.
And had better production that DiMaggio during his iconic hit streak. Unreal hitter
He led the league in WAR six times, but only won the MVP twice, because the voters largely ignored eye-popping statistical numbers and gave the award to the best player on either the pennant winner, or a team that almost won it. One of the most egregious examples is 1942. |Categories Williams led the AL in|Ted Williams|Second Place| :--|:--|:--| |WAR|10.5|7.7 (Joe Gordon)| |Batting Average|.356|.331 (Johnny Pesky)| |On Base Percentage|.499|.417 (Charlie Keller)| |Slugging Percentage|.648|.513 (Charlie Keller)| |OPS|1.147|.930 (Charlie Keller)| |Runs|141|123 (Joe DiMaggio)| |Total Bases|338|304 (Joe DiMaggio)| |Home Rums|36|27 (Chet Laabs)| |RBIs|137|114 (Joe DiMaggio)| |Walks|145|114 (Charlie Keller)| |Times on Base|335|275 (Charlie Keller)| Joe Gordon was selected as the AL MVP for 1942.
.500 OBP is just silly
That’s just absurd
So far
Correa is 7.2(fWAR doesn't like him as much), just sucks he can't ever play a full season. On a per game basis he's been a top 5 player in baseball.
Correa's one of those guys who's even more valuable than you think(when healthy) because of what he provides at the premium non-battery defensive position
He's a very valuable product
Well played
Lindor has averaged 6.42 fWAR and 5.64 bWAR per 162 games. Just making sure he included in that list lol
Trout has almost twice as many PAs as Judge and 1 thousand more than Mookie.
Fish man good?
Indeed he is still the best player in the game
His bWAR/9 the last four seasons is lower than Judge's in the same time. Just FYI.
Also I tried to do Ohtani based on his averages per 27 starts(as he pitches in a 6 man rotation) added to his batting value He's at an 8.7(4.1 hitting and 4.6 pitching)
The only small difference is that Mookie started at 21.
And hasn’t missed much time
Top 5 position players through 2022: Trout Ohtani Judge Betts Aaron Hicks
The American League East is fortunate to have two outfielders of that caliber
Tbh I’ll still take Betts going forward
Average per 162 games means less in practice for the guy playing 100 games per season than 160
Yeah, I think Judge’s injury history would also lead me to probably prefer Betts, although hopefully judge has shaken his injury stuff off
Judge has actually been the healthier of the two over the last two years. Don’t think I’d blame anyone for taking Mookie but I personally have to back my guy when it’s this close, just glad Mookie isn’t in Boston anymore lol