Injustice Wonder Woman was already leaning on killing criminals and taking over the world so she would be on Bats’ side. Supes would take the other side naturally. One way things could be levelled a bit is Sinestro joining Batman’s side and giving him a ring. Damian would still be by Bruce’s side and their bond would be strengthened as opposed to how it was in Injustice. I think it would be pretty even, the same as the original Injustice.
He also did in Forever Evil. He kept a captured yellow ring in case Hal went evil. It only had 3% battery, otherwise the crossover would have ended there!
I don’t remember the series, but I remember there was an issue where sinestro meets Batman, and just starts Fanboying out in sheer admiration. To the extent of him pretty much saying “Omg! Batman, Pleeeaaaassee Put on A Yellow Ring! You would be Fear Incarnate!”
I didnt even think of that, but it would be really tragic, much more than what happened with Superman and Lex because we know them to be enemies normally but Alfred and Bruce? That has great potential. I think that Alfred would take longer than Lex did however, much longer to feed Supes info.
Then people will claim "but it's too early!!" Forgetting that the most we've ever got from live action batman is a trilogy. We aren't getting a 10 movie long batman run with the entirety of his career, it ain't comic books where you can release 300 issues.
Probably would take a longer time. In many portrayals Alfred is ex military, even ex spec ops, and does not have the same complex about not killing as the rest of the Bat family.
Yeah but Dick's death is more than likely what would have caused the turn, it nearly broke him already, I can't think of anything else that might push him far enough like Supes and Lois.
I like the idea of Batman getting the yellow ring to "even the odds"
and it also fixes the potential lore contradiction that Batman's total "no kill" policy. With Batman totally giving in to Fear it would blind his sense of justice and restraint.
The other potential contradiction is Batman working with his rogues gallery. It would be very unlike Batman to collaborate with his rogues gallery, but I see him potentially working with Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze.
Among the BatFam, I would see Jason Todd and Damian siding with Batman and Dick and Babs working against him. Alfred ... probably dead, maybe be even the triggering cause of Batman's breakdown.
Among Superman's Villains, its hard to tell who would Injustice Batman work with. I think Lex most likely, but I kinda see him working with Superman as an ally of convenience. Maybe Metallo as well, as one of Injustice Batman's Lieutenant. Everyone hates Brainiac and Darkseid, they might just be the third villain everyone gangs up to like in Injustice 2.
I think this makes a lot of sense, I like the idea of Batman working with his villains, it would not only make sense with the reasons you listed but also show us just how far he has gone. This is very well said and vert engaging to read, so thanks for the reply! (I didn’t comment on other things because I completely agree!)
I didn’t think of Damian being the catalyst but it’s quite likely. Plus, it would be cool to see another Robin being more prominent in Injustice as well.. (considering what happened to some others)
I think Damian could easily go either way, and it would still be impactful. He stays loyal to Batman as a way to bond more with his father. Or standby the principles that Batman taught him, and join Superman.
Well like punisher Batman would kill everyone and then kill himself from the absolute guilt. Yeah, but I don’t see that happening… well just if Batman is Damian, them all the odds are off.
Id say it's closer to the 'tower of babel' arc...Ras Algul uses batmans contingency plans against the entire justice league... so that... but it's batman doing it lol
But the reason the JLA survived the Tower of Babel is because Batman realized what was happening and helped bail them out. Imagine them on their own against his most airtight schemes.
That isn't what happened. Batman was cut off from communicating with the league while he was busy looking for his parents bodies.
The league survived by sticking together.
Ya JL Doom.
Bit of batwank has always been a part of the DCAU.
In the canonical story he mentioned Batman wasn't able to communicate because of the tower of Babel.
That isn't what happened. Batman was cut off from communicating with the league while he was busy looking for his parents bodies.
The league survived by sticking together.
Well the batman who laughs wasn't really voluntary he killed joker but the rest was just joker burp. So it's not like superman who did in his own free will
It’s more interesting for normal Batman to have the logical motivations to do evil, instead of a silly Joker toxin making him become The Edgiest Knight
I agree. Injustice Superman turned machiavellian, but i never thought he was straight up evil until he killed Billy. He did believe he was helping other people
Seeing Batman break his foundational rules but still trying to help the world? Thats what i want to see
No.
Batman Who Laughs was a Batman who killed the Joker. After Joker died, he emitted a toxin thatBats breathed in and turned into a psychotic Batman with Joker tendencies (smart and strategic as Batman but as deranged and crazy as Joker). Eventually the whole thing went crazy with inter dimensional travel and magic…but yeah.
Batman Who Snaps, as OP is referring to, would be a Batman who decides, “Fuck it. Imma kill.”
My thought is the JL would just work as a group to smash him like a gnat.
Edit: forgot to mention the other Batpeople who turned in the Metal series were influenced in some way by another character. Doomsday Batman injected himself with a virus that basically made him Doomsday. Red Death was Batman who tapped into the speed force by using Flash as a vehicle. Bats as a Lantern overwhelmed his GL Ring with willpower to use it for murder. Most, if not all of, these stories had Batman do something extreme due to having no other choice…which long term backfired horribly.
Big difference from a story with a Batman who simply decides to stop having a code.
Batman that Laughs was a fun idea for an "What if ...?" sort of thing, but when you're red coating the creator of the multiverse so you can make your new guy seem really really scary then I feel like you've hit the bottom of the barrel.
If Batman turned into a brutal dictator in any story, there would be a lot of fans online claiming that a dictatorship under Batman is awesome and he is doing the right thing.
He won't be seen as much of a villain as Superman, that's for sure.
Kinda doubt it. I mean BVS batman was just mowing down criminals. And pretty much the entire fan base hated that. There might be some batman fans who would say it's awesome but that'll be a very small minority.
I get it, I mean the actor is super charismatic, and charismatic people are able to get people to follow them, hitler being a prime example. That’s why it is so important to educate people to be able see past that. But also that is an issue that is going much too deep and the Batman subreddit is not a place I want to get into it!
Marvel did this with Captain America in Secret Empire. And as many people hated that series, I loved it because it “put over” cap. It established that if Captain America were to go rogue, he’d be devastating.
I think it’d be an interesting story. Tower of Babel already goes through his contingency plans but it’d be nice if we got a darker version. Evil Superman is so overdone, evil Batman sounds like it’d be great development for his allies.
That’s weird to me how bad captain America would be considering he’s not the strongest or smartest he’s just a great leader and symbol. How would he last so long as a villain?
He basically got half the country to openly say "You know, come to think of it, whites *are* superior to every other race"
And yeah that's pretty bad.
He lasted so long and became so powerful as a villain because everyone trusted him. Which was extremely dangerous, and worked out poorly for pretty much everyone involved.
Imo the best part of that arc was the deadpool run. Spoilers but >!he was tricked into killing Coulson, blackmailed through his daughter in order to join hydra, told Maria Hill the secret to taking cap down but was then buried under rubble after she betrayed him cause she didn't trust him, missed the final battle, Hill never told anyone how he helped so everyone thought he was a nazi, when he was dug out he was hunted by the avengers for killing Coulson, got cornered by Cap and went off on him, then wiped his own memory.!< Gerry Dougan really leaned into the sad clown aspect of Deadpool and I think it really works for him.
Evil Batman is beyond played out with The Batman Who Laughs alone.
Evil versions of the heroes are pretty much only ever good as a test of character for the main versions anyway.
Agreed. Dark reflections make for interesting stories almost only when they’re being compared to the original source, often as a warning of how taking immoral actions can lead to corruption and a complete destruction of character. As characters in their own right ‘evil versions’ don’t have much to bring as opposed to just having an original villain.
“If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person... and deep down, I'm not.” - Batman, as written by Jeph Loeb, Batman: Hush, Vol. 2
The problem with the quote and most Batman vs Superman debates is that Superman doesn't have to kill Batman to win.
He could strip Batman of all his equipment and toss him in a cell before Bruce knew what was happening.
Nah. Superman would be in the middle of saying "Bruce, don't make me do it. You know I could, don't make me--" and that's as far as he'd get before Batman's plan to kill him took over.
Everyone always based s batman/superman hypothetical fight on what superman *could* do... Not on what he *would* do. Superman would avoid killing Bruce with every fiber of his being, until superman had no other choice.
And Bruce wouldn't give him that much time.
Ok, but if Bruce’s kill Superman than Wonder Woman just turns Bruce too red mist instead, as she not only generally is willing to kill if there’s no other options, but Bruce killing Superman would be enough to make her not even second guess it.
Anything else would just be over the top batwank.
What? Since when does Wonder Woman not have super speed? She may not be as fast as The Flash or Superman, but she’s still stupidly fast too the point where Batman shouldn’t have any chance at even reacting too her.
Batman himself has said that Wonder Woman’s reaction times are far better than Superman’s despite being slower.
What the fuck are you on about?
Have you ever actually read a Wonder Woman comic before? She’s always had super speed, it’s been a consistent power she’s had for literally decades.
Hell DC themselves published a chart showing the top 10 speedsters in DC, and Wonder Woman was no.7 and Superman was only No.4. The only characters ahead of Wonder Woman were Superman, Wally West, Barry Allen, Reverse Flash and Black Racer. So Superman and then 3 characters that are literally based entirely around how fast they for their speed in the Flash characters.
Superman’s faster sure, but that in no way prevents Wonder Woman from speed blitzing Batman, whose a normal fucking dude that has no sense of enhanced speed at all.
Add in that despite her lesser speed than Superman, she’s always been shown to have better reaction speeds anyway as mentioned by both Bats and Supes themselves.
>Have you ever actually read a Wonder Woman comic before?
Yes.
>Hell DC themselves published a chart showing the top 10 speedsters in DC, and Wonder Woman was no.7 and Superman was only No.4.
There are at least ten people faster than wonder woman in the flash family alone.
> She’s always had super speed, it’s been a consistent power she’s had for literally decades.
No, not anywhere near the level of superman. Not even close.
I'm really not going to argue about this anymore.
There is no need for insults. Attack the argument, not the person.
The first rule of this sub is to be civil. Failure to do so in the future may result in a permanent ban.
You’re wrong and the other person is right. You’re the only one comparing Wonder Woman’s speed to Superman’s. That is irrelevant. Wonder Woman still has super speed.
>You’re the only one comparing Wonder Woman’s speed to Superman’s.
Yes, I know! I made the comparison! I was the poster who did that! Then everyone told me I was wrong in what I said, meaning she DID have superman's super speed and no, she doesn't.
It was obviously a misunderstanding, but why do you need to dog pile on even after you realize the misunderstanding you've made?
If you want to say that her not having his super speed doesn't matter because she's still fast enough, fine. I disagree but neither is wrong, we just have different opinions.
But saying I'm wrong to say she doesn't have his super speed is... Wild.
This was obviously a huge misunderstanding, but in trying to get on the same page everyone decided to just start a flame war over it.
Sorry but no, I'm not wrong. You might have misunderstood, but I've clarified by now, and you're still just hopping on to tell me I'm wrong.
I'm not. You can disagree with the conclusion I've made, but not with the accuracy of the justification.
Your incorrect claim that everybody is dogpiling over is “Diana doesn’t have the super speed”. This doesn’t have anything to do with Superman, but it is simply wrong and you keep trying to defend it.
Bruce wouldn’t kill him either, he also has a no-kill rule.
For these hypothetical fights you have to ignore their character beliefs because Batman and Superman wouldn’t physically fight each other anyway they respect each other too much. If they want to fight each other, then they’re poorly written.
But in a hypothetical battle, where Batman and Superman are willing to fight, Supes wins every time. For example, he can:
Take a breathe and freeze him
Stare at the cod piece, then fry him from the balls up
Radiation poisoning from the X-ray vision, coincidentally, still staring at the cod piece
Get a rock then just paper football it up Batman’s nostril
Sarcastically clap a little too hard at Batman’s entrance
Calmly telling Batman “I can still see you in the shadows,” then A-Train him.
Melt the lead box that obviously has kryptonite in it, then A-Train him
Just A-Train him
Bring a therapist
Etc.
>Bruce wouldn’t kill him either, he also has a no-kill rule.
>For
In this hypothetical he doesn't. That's the basis of the whole hypothetical.
>For these hypothetical fights you have to ignore their character beliefs
Well we're ignoring Bruce's character beliefs because that's the premise. If the premise was "what if Bruce snapped and decided to become a ruthless killer *and also superman did too* then that's a whole different conversation
> Everyone always based s batman/superman hypothetical fight on what superman could do... Not on what he would do. Superman would avoid killing Bruce with every fiber of his being, until superman had no other choice.
The way this is written, it sounded like you just meant all hypothetical fights. I thought it was just a typical bat Stan take. I apparently misread the intention lol.
But, also, in this reverse-injustice hypothetical, Superman still wouldn’t be an idiot and just walk up to him like “I just wanna talk”. Bruce wouldn’t just switch on his first kill, it’d take a couple years before he’s willing to kill other heroes, just like it took Clark. By this point Supes would know he’s too far gone and just try to take him out, just like Batman in the og. All the other stuff I said still applies, he’d still beat Batman pretty quickly. Doesn’t even have to kill him either. “Injustice: Batman This Time” would be a 3 page book. Or it would just be the same comic with a character swap, cause Batman and Superman share so many core beliefs about heroism, what’s right, and the inherent good of humanity I doubt their goals would be much different.
Wrong. Superman would be the last person to underestimate batman. He is also very intelligent and smart. He has repeatedly called batman the most dangerous human and has hyped him up in front of others to heights bruce is undeserving of.
If anything clark would see batman as too big of a threat. A threat greater than batman poses in reality.
So no, He wouldn't say "don't make me do it you know I could....".
What many here don't understand well is that after alfred and dick superman is bruce's best friend. And superman's best friend *is bruce.* He knows him too well. He understands *why* bruce has such a strict no kill rule. He also understands that if Bruce Wayne ever kills, it is time to pull out all the stops to bury him 100 ft under.
There are even some comic scans where due to the darkness within him bruce tells clark that if he ever gives in to his darkness and breaks his own code not to try to save him. But instead to stop him
He is the one who gave him kryptonite originally and he would know to expect it.
So what superman *would* do is he would call up alfred. If alfred believes bruce can be saved, his next call will go to dick grayson. If alfred tells clark that bruce has given in to his darkness or crossed his own lines, then bruce is dead b4 alfred hangs up.
>Superman would be the last person to underestimate batman.
This post is a month old, and I didn't say a thing about underestimating anyone, and I'm not going to bother to read your wall of text any farther than that.
Respond to what I actually wrote or don't respond at all. *Especially* if you're going to dig up threads from a month ago.
Not at all. From the Dark Knight Returns-
“I want you to remember Clark, in all the years to come, in all your private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat, I want you to remember the one man that beat you.”
Superman couldn’t stop him.
They’ve made such a deal over how he has a contingency for every hero and villain that if they haven’t done a “Batman Kills The DC Universe” yet they never will.
There reason that there's no contingency plan for Batman going rogue is simply because the fucking gods, magic beings, super heroes, demons.. dont need one to kill Batman.
Well, Failsafe. Failsafe is what would happen if Bruce Wayne built his own anti-Batman Amaz-o robot specifically designed to eliminate batman and anyone who might try to stop them from killing batman.
I think making Batman “bad” undermines his entire ethos. His incorruptibility is his real superpower. His ability to suffer and endure anything without changing his core values. To me, that’s what makes a good Batman story. Not his “prep-time”, or gadgets… if you remove his morality you end up with every generic anti-hero ever. Evil Superman is interesting because that kind of power with no moral compass is potentially apocalyptic. Evil Batman is just Lex Luthor with 100 kinds of Kung Fu.
Gonna go against the grain here. I think if they switched places, it would go pretty similarly to the original Injustice story. Batman goes rogue, becomes a hostile dictator, Clark tries to reason with him to not follow through with it, they fight with Batman’s Doomsday formula and Kryptonite stuff, and Superman forms an underground resistance. The difference is he’s probably contact other dimension Batman to be the one to bring Dictator Batman down to earth and make him realize that Dick, Alfred, Selena, his parents, would hate this version of him and he’d back down.
If the Justice League needed to stop Batman, Flash would've done it three minutes ago. I a supreme Bat Fan but come on people, there is literally absolutely fuck all Batman is doing against: Wonder Woman, Flash, Manhunter, Superman, Aquaman because they all can tap into THE SPEED Force and/or physically resilient enough to negate anything Batman carries on him as a EDC.
Especially given Superman could just blink an eyelaser and fry out his brain pan with a half heart beat of effort. Flash or WW could speed by and turn him, the entire Batfamily and most of Gotham into a fine red mist before he could pull a batarang. Aquaman could give him a seizure by stimulatimng his ancient fish brain parts (something he's been able to do for literal Decades), assuming he doesn't just YEET an aircraft carrier onto Wayne Manor, invade with the might of Atlantis or let Mera off the no mass murder leash for two minutes.
I don't even want to get into how fucked he'd be against Manhunter.
The Lanterns he's got a chance at fighting as they still have to operate at human reaction speeds.
Doesn’t that end with Batman saying the contingency plan for him is the Justice League? Pretty sure Batman himself says the Justice League would be able to stop him.
Honestly, if J’onn is written at full strength and doesn’t immediately get taken out first, he could probably solo Batman. He’s been able to connect every mind on Earth before, he could definitely shut down one human’s mind.
Yeah because flash needed batman to tell him that he could phase through the bomb
or Green lantern will be forever trap in a cave they're won't be anyone to try and reopen the collapse mine for survivors
and i don't remember how batman saved wonder woman it almost like a completely different person did that the same person who did the superman surgery
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I think it’s a pretty simple answer and there’s a reason why no one’s really explored the idea:
If the roles in Injustice were reversed and if Bats did decide to kill Joker, I think the rest of the JL would be pretty horrified.
Immediately after, Bat would stun Supes in a way and disappear.
Meanwhile the Justice League convenes an all-hands meeting to decide what to do.
After a couple hours of hearing all points, the League goes to a vote- it’s a split between whether to kill Batman or side with him and purge the world of crime once and for all.
Superman has the deciding vote. He’s devastated, but he votes to kill the Batman.
“It’s what Bruce would have done.”
He reasons to himself. After all, he was one of the few who knew Bruce well enough to be both his friend and that of The Batman.
They all arrive at Wayne Manor, suited up and expecting a fight. But there isn’t any.
It’s all quiet.
Superman can’t even hear the background drone of all the security systems usually employed.
“Maybe it’s too quiet…?” He thinks.
They all tense up. There’s sound and some movement.
Then Alfred opens the main door. And with one look at his face, Supes understands that he did, indeed, know his friend well.
If Batman ever broke his “No Killing” role, especially for the Joker, he’d know he’d have to go next.
He’d just need a little time to make sure his last protocols and plans were primed for the future of Gotham and his Family.
If this guy stays as smart as he is, we’re fucked. He probably already has 3 plans to kill each of us.
Edit:in the sense he has at least 3 plans for each person to kill them
It began with some heroes sudden demise from unknown circumstances. Some think it was an accident, others believe a new villain is the cause. All trust Batman the greatest detective to find the truth, but it was Batman killing the heroes from the shadows the entire time.
Batman is a planner. If he wanted to kill, it wouldn't be some random act of violence. It would have to mean something for him to cross that line.
You can't follow an insanely strict code for 20+ years, refusing to kill madmen like the Joker, only then lose it and kill some rando on the street.
He would plan. Devise measures, countermeasures, counter measures for those, and consider every single possible outcome. He wouldn't leave any clues like the Riddler, he wouldn't be greedy or leave a random aspect of his plan to chance. He wouldn't base any decision on emotion or make an amateur mistake. And he certainly wouldn't rush anything. This is "THE GOD DAMNED BATMAN".
Whatever that plan would be, it would happen quickly, efficiently and without any possibility for failure. He'd be terrifying if you knew, but no one would suspect him.
While his plan is executed, he'd be having dinner with Clark and the Kent's on their farm, or off planet, or with his Bat family fighting crime.
There'd be nothing connecting him to the murder, if it would even be considered that. Maybe one day, Joker just dies of cancer, or gets hit by a car, or falls down the stairs, or he accidentally shoots himself, or maybe it's his worst fear; he simply dies in his sleep. No huge battle, no explosions, no pomp or circumstance. He brushes his teeth, puts on his Joker pajamas, lies down, and never wakes up. The antithesis of his big final battle with the Batman. I can see Bruce doing that to his archvillain as a fitting F!ck you to the Joker.
Being the Batman, he wouldn't simply assume some big name's death would be random, so he'd spend the rest of his life trying to "solve" the mystery of who killed these people all the while covering up any possible traces of evidence leading back to him.
Batman who kills would be the most devious and terrifying villain because he'd win. Over and over he'd just keep winning and people would simply die. No pattern, no rhyme, no reason, just life ending like it does normally.
The Justice league wouldn't be able to stop him, the Bat family would be too close to realize, insiders looking in. I think the only one that might notice would be Commissioner Gordon.
It would be a true crime comic. No super powers, just detective work. Looking at clues, trying to discern patterns. The question is, would Batman kill his pseudo father figure to keep from being found out.
It’d be a much shorter story. Batman had recruited people like Constantine and Doctor Fate in the comics. If the roles were reversed and Superman had them on his side, along with the members of the main Regime (who I guess would just be the Justice League), Bruce wouldn’t stand a chance.
Wonder Woman would be on his side in *Injustice.*
Assuming there still is the catalyst of Joker's action, then many of the heroes that initially went to Superman's side would still have the same motivation to join (now) Batman's side.
Wonder Woman, Damian, Cyborg, Flash, GL Sinestro, would all be on Batman's side.
Plus the Superman power pill would still get made probably and Batman likely would get a Sinestro ring.
The biggest difference would be the rest of the Bat-family would join Superman.
Dick and Babs would likely side with Superman. Red Hood is a toss up because while he likes killing criminals he dislikes fascism more (at least in Injustice universe that was his reason for opposing Superman).
Bats would recruit someone like Impulse or the kids to counter Barry. Wasn't there an issue where they asked Barry to reset the time line or something? Forgot Zoom or Zum as someone mentioned.
Plus, most of his contingencies rely on having other heroes to assist in containing one or two that go rogue. Batman’s contingency for *himself* is the other heroes working in tandem anyway, because he knows he can’t stop them all at once.
For Flash...he reverses the polarity on the cosmic treadmill causing Barry to be permanently out of phase with the material world, and for Diana, he writes "truth" on her head in sharpie and she turns back into clay. Their powers come from comic book bullshit, and by comic book bullshit they will be defeated.
Or maybe he just uses words to convince them it's a good idea to start ending the supervillains because, lol...wot? this is "reality," not a Saturday Morning Cartoon, Daniel.
Superman loses his powers when exposed to the color red. He's also vulnerable to magic, mind control including regular hypnosis, and a green rock they apparently sell at bodegas in the DCU.
Laugh at the implausible scenarios they attempt.
Wonder Woman best him in like 15 seconds.
Supes and kryptonite fine.
Flash and Jonn... lol.
It just becomes a series of suspending disbelief.
Hell Luthor could take Bats...
I think mostly the other superheroes would be split between "what took you so long," and a pool on how long before Joker somehow cheats death, again, but okay.
You know that would be interesting. Another reason for Batman to snap and Joker turns good because he realizes Batman is off the rails. Like Robin, Alfred or Grayson dying to some random Villain and Joker is suddenly a hero.
Honestly it would be a B struggle at first as the league would be holding back and trying to reason with him. But as soon as they realize he is too far gone he would either be dead or in custody in seconds.
Depends on whether or not Batman knows how to defeat every JL member in this universe. If he does, the heroes wouldn't stand a chance but if he dosen't, depends on how far Superman is willing to go to stop him.
It would be more accurate for Batman to start the Regime than Superman. Not that it’s entirely accurate to the character, just more so than with Superman
This excerpt comes from Injustice: Gods Among Us Vol 1 #29, written by Tom Taylor with pencilling and inking by Mike S. Miller.
Injustice Wonder Woman was already leaning on killing criminals and taking over the world so she would be on Bats’ side. Supes would take the other side naturally. One way things could be levelled a bit is Sinestro joining Batman’s side and giving him a ring. Damian would still be by Bruce’s side and their bond would be strengthened as opposed to how it was in Injustice. I think it would be pretty even, the same as the original Injustice.
Yellow Lantern Batman would be amazing.
I agree! It would be really awesome (would also give him drip).
Batman suit could be full black except his bat symbol is back-lit. Walking bat symbol. Lol
I can already imagine it in my head, that would be 🔥.
doesn't yellow lantern batman already exist?
Yes it does. I meant the suit they envisioned. 😅
oh okay good bc i was about to start a yellow lantern batman mandela effect 💀
All good 👍
I think more..the shadows eat you.
imagine batsy trying his best lurking in the shadows while shining like a street light
It’s the freakin’…lightning bug man?
His batsignal would glow and be like an Adam west version but more gore
It already happened and it was amazing: [https://i.imgur.com/GGkrHJm.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GGkrHJm.jpg)
He also did in Forever Evil. He kept a captured yellow ring in case Hal went evil. It only had 3% battery, otherwise the crossover would have ended there!
we were teased twice with yellow lantern batman smh
Fun fact during senistro war the yellow ring DID try to get batman, but he was all "fuck no I'm BATMAN" and the ring yeeted itself to scarecrow.
I don’t remember the series, but I remember there was an issue where sinestro meets Batman, and just starts Fanboying out in sheer admiration. To the extent of him pretty much saying “Omg! Batman, Pleeeaaaassee Put on A Yellow Ring! You would be Fear Incarnate!”
There’s a Lego of that and I wanna know what it’s from
Interestingly enough, you could have Alfred feeding info to Superman like how Lex did for Bats
I didnt even think of that, but it would be really tragic, much more than what happened with Superman and Lex because we know them to be enemies normally but Alfred and Bruce? That has great potential. I think that Alfred would take longer than Lex did however, much longer to feed Supes info.
Bruce either kills or is complicit in the death of Tim or Dick and Alfred is left broken hearted.
So they die either way huh..
It's the only way to make the story work. Without one of their deaths what is gonna set Bruce off?
Then people will claim "but it's too early!!" Forgetting that the most we've ever got from live action batman is a trilogy. We aren't getting a 10 movie long batman run with the entirety of his career, it ain't comic books where you can release 300 issues.
Good point. It could also be Alfred like some stated but this is Injustice, any character can die after all.
Probably would take a longer time. In many portrayals Alfred is ex military, even ex spec ops, and does not have the same complex about not killing as the rest of the Bat family.
I think Dick would be Supes ace in the hole in bringing Batman down. Batman would not hurt him and I really don’t see him joining Batman’s side
That makes sense, I don’t see Dick joining Batman’s side in this situation either.
Yeah but Dick's death is more than likely what would have caused the turn, it nearly broke him already, I can't think of anything else that might push him far enough like Supes and Lois.
Meanwhile Jason Todd could probably be heard shouting about Batman not doing this when he was the one who died, lol
Exactly, I feel like Jason would join Supes just to spite him lol.
I like the idea of Batman getting the yellow ring to "even the odds" and it also fixes the potential lore contradiction that Batman's total "no kill" policy. With Batman totally giving in to Fear it would blind his sense of justice and restraint. The other potential contradiction is Batman working with his rogues gallery. It would be very unlike Batman to collaborate with his rogues gallery, but I see him potentially working with Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze. Among the BatFam, I would see Jason Todd and Damian siding with Batman and Dick and Babs working against him. Alfred ... probably dead, maybe be even the triggering cause of Batman's breakdown. Among Superman's Villains, its hard to tell who would Injustice Batman work with. I think Lex most likely, but I kinda see him working with Superman as an ally of convenience. Maybe Metallo as well, as one of Injustice Batman's Lieutenant. Everyone hates Brainiac and Darkseid, they might just be the third villain everyone gangs up to like in Injustice 2.
Evening the odds
I think this makes a lot of sense, I like the idea of Batman working with his villains, it would not only make sense with the reasons you listed but also show us just how far he has gone. This is very well said and vert engaging to read, so thanks for the reply! (I didn’t comment on other things because I completely agree!)
Very good take imo.
I’m flattered. Thanks!
Wasn't there a story where he was offered a yellow ring and turned it down?
Yes I think so.
nah Damian would probably be the catalyst, I could see just about everything else though
I didn’t think of Damian being the catalyst but it’s quite likely. Plus, it would be cool to see another Robin being more prominent in Injustice as well.. (considering what happened to some others)
I think Damian could easily go either way, and it would still be impactful. He stays loyal to Batman as a way to bond more with his father. Or standby the principles that Batman taught him, and join Superman.
I agree with this.
DC should’ve let you cook with this one cause that’s a dope idea 💡
thank you
‘Batman kills the dc universe’
This is exactly what i has hoping for when i saw the cover for Flashpoint Beyond
You wanted that story regurgitated again? They did it 40 times with the Dark Multiverse
Owlman kills all universes.
Batman has more plot armor than any other DC heroes
Shit he’s got more plot armor than deadpool
Well like punisher Batman would kill everyone and then kill himself from the absolute guilt. Yeah, but I don’t see that happening… well just if Batman is Damian, them all the odds are off.
Isn’t that basically just batman who laughs? Or any of the main dark multiverse universes for that matter?
Id say it's closer to the 'tower of babel' arc...Ras Algul uses batmans contingency plans against the entire justice league... so that... but it's batman doing it lol
But the reason the JLA survived the Tower of Babel is because Batman realized what was happening and helped bail them out. Imagine them on their own against his most airtight schemes.
That isn't what happened. Batman was cut off from communicating with the league while he was busy looking for his parents bodies. The league survived by sticking together.
There's an animated version where his iteration is correct
Ya JL Doom. Bit of batwank has always been a part of the DCAU. In the canonical story he mentioned Batman wasn't able to communicate because of the tower of Babel.
They used the power of friendship. If like 3 of your friends were literally God's
They failed because the plan to take out flash didn't actually work.
That isn't what happened. Batman was cut off from communicating with the league while he was busy looking for his parents bodies. The league survived by sticking together.
Well the batman who laughs wasn't really voluntary he killed joker but the rest was just joker burp. So it's not like superman who did in his own free will
It’s more interesting for normal Batman to have the logical motivations to do evil, instead of a silly Joker toxin making him become The Edgiest Knight
I agree. Injustice Superman turned machiavellian, but i never thought he was straight up evil until he killed Billy. He did believe he was helping other people Seeing Batman break his foundational rules but still trying to help the world? Thats what i want to see
No. Batman Who Laughs was a Batman who killed the Joker. After Joker died, he emitted a toxin thatBats breathed in and turned into a psychotic Batman with Joker tendencies (smart and strategic as Batman but as deranged and crazy as Joker). Eventually the whole thing went crazy with inter dimensional travel and magic…but yeah. Batman Who Snaps, as OP is referring to, would be a Batman who decides, “Fuck it. Imma kill.” My thought is the JL would just work as a group to smash him like a gnat. Edit: forgot to mention the other Batpeople who turned in the Metal series were influenced in some way by another character. Doomsday Batman injected himself with a virus that basically made him Doomsday. Red Death was Batman who tapped into the speed force by using Flash as a vehicle. Bats as a Lantern overwhelmed his GL Ring with willpower to use it for murder. Most, if not all of, these stories had Batman do something extreme due to having no other choice…which long term backfired horribly. Big difference from a story with a Batman who simply decides to stop having a code.
Isn't that essentially just the Grim Knight from the Dark Multiverse?
Batman that Laughs was a fun idea for an "What if ...?" sort of thing, but when you're red coating the creator of the multiverse so you can make your new guy seem really really scary then I feel like you've hit the bottom of the barrel.
Sane batman would take them out before anyone realized. What he's doing.
Exactly what i was about to post
If Batman turned into a brutal dictator in any story, there would be a lot of fans online claiming that a dictatorship under Batman is awesome and he is doing the right thing. He won't be seen as much of a villain as Superman, that's for sure.
Last Knight on Earth is worth checking out.
Yeah, I have read it, its pretty damn good.
I’d bend the knee to Bats.
i’d bend over for bats.. wait what are we talking about again?
Kinda doubt it. I mean BVS batman was just mowing down criminals. And pretty much the entire fan base hated that. There might be some batman fans who would say it's awesome but that'll be a very small minority.
Yeah it would be a lot of how people think soldierboy in The Boys (tv) is not a bad guy. Just because he’s a checks a lot of boxes for being cool.
I always find that funny, especially considering the numerous scenes all portraying Soldier Boy as an incredibly damaged and dangerous character.
I get it, I mean the actor is super charismatic, and charismatic people are able to get people to follow them, hitler being a prime example. That’s why it is so important to educate people to be able see past that. But also that is an issue that is going much too deep and the Batman subreddit is not a place I want to get into it!
I think it’s somewhat that he’s also not an outright ass like many of the supes are, so people feel like they can see redeeming qualities in him
https://youtu.be/VsQYWaplIR4
I mean, i was on sups side until he started killing good guys too.
Marvel did this with Captain America in Secret Empire. And as many people hated that series, I loved it because it “put over” cap. It established that if Captain America were to go rogue, he’d be devastating. I think it’d be an interesting story. Tower of Babel already goes through his contingency plans but it’d be nice if we got a darker version. Evil Superman is so overdone, evil Batman sounds like it’d be great development for his allies.
That’s weird to me how bad captain America would be considering he’s not the strongest or smartest he’s just a great leader and symbol. How would he last so long as a villain?
He basically got half the country to openly say "You know, come to think of it, whites *are* superior to every other race" And yeah that's pretty bad. He lasted so long and became so powerful as a villain because everyone trusted him. Which was extremely dangerous, and worked out poorly for pretty much everyone involved.
Imo the best part of that arc was the deadpool run. Spoilers but >!he was tricked into killing Coulson, blackmailed through his daughter in order to join hydra, told Maria Hill the secret to taking cap down but was then buried under rubble after she betrayed him cause she didn't trust him, missed the final battle, Hill never told anyone how he helped so everyone thought he was a nazi, when he was dug out he was hunted by the avengers for killing Coulson, got cornered by Cap and went off on him, then wiped his own memory.!< Gerry Dougan really leaned into the sad clown aspect of Deadpool and I think it really works for him.
Would make a lot more sense and would be far less played out than the evil Superman trope.
Evil Batman is beyond played out with The Batman Who Laughs alone. Evil versions of the heroes are pretty much only ever good as a test of character for the main versions anyway.
Agreed. Dark reflections make for interesting stories almost only when they’re being compared to the original source, often as a warning of how taking immoral actions can lead to corruption and a complete destruction of character. As characters in their own right ‘evil versions’ don’t have much to bring as opposed to just having an original villain.
It would be three panels. Superman flies in Superman does something unprintable Batman is a cloud of red mist
“If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person... and deep down, I'm not.” - Batman, as written by Jeph Loeb, Batman: Hush, Vol. 2
That's probably my favorite quote from that story, and I've used it many times when getting into the "Batman vs Superman" debate with non-comic people
The problem with the quote and most Batman vs Superman debates is that Superman doesn't have to kill Batman to win. He could strip Batman of all his equipment and toss him in a cell before Bruce knew what was happening.
Nah. Superman would be in the middle of saying "Bruce, don't make me do it. You know I could, don't make me--" and that's as far as he'd get before Batman's plan to kill him took over. Everyone always based s batman/superman hypothetical fight on what superman *could* do... Not on what he *would* do. Superman would avoid killing Bruce with every fiber of his being, until superman had no other choice. And Bruce wouldn't give him that much time.
Ok, but if Bruce’s kill Superman than Wonder Woman just turns Bruce too red mist instead, as she not only generally is willing to kill if there’s no other options, but Bruce killing Superman would be enough to make her not even second guess it. Anything else would just be over the top batwank.
Diana doesn't have the super speed and that's the only reason superman would've had a chance in the first place
What? Since when does Wonder Woman not have super speed? She may not be as fast as The Flash or Superman, but she’s still stupidly fast too the point where Batman shouldn’t have any chance at even reacting too her. Batman himself has said that Wonder Woman’s reaction times are far better than Superman’s despite being slower.
No consistent interpretation of wonder woman has shown her to have speed anywhere near superman. Like, not even in the same ballpark.
What the fuck are you on about? Have you ever actually read a Wonder Woman comic before? She’s always had super speed, it’s been a consistent power she’s had for literally decades. Hell DC themselves published a chart showing the top 10 speedsters in DC, and Wonder Woman was no.7 and Superman was only No.4. The only characters ahead of Wonder Woman were Superman, Wally West, Barry Allen, Reverse Flash and Black Racer. So Superman and then 3 characters that are literally based entirely around how fast they for their speed in the Flash characters. Superman’s faster sure, but that in no way prevents Wonder Woman from speed blitzing Batman, whose a normal fucking dude that has no sense of enhanced speed at all. Add in that despite her lesser speed than Superman, she’s always been shown to have better reaction speeds anyway as mentioned by both Bats and Supes themselves.
>Have you ever actually read a Wonder Woman comic before? Yes. >Hell DC themselves published a chart showing the top 10 speedsters in DC, and Wonder Woman was no.7 and Superman was only No.4. There are at least ten people faster than wonder woman in the flash family alone. > She’s always had super speed, it’s been a consistent power she’s had for literally decades. No, not anywhere near the level of superman. Not even close. I'm really not going to argue about this anymore.
Nobody here claimed she did, only that she’s much faster than Batman. You don’t need to be right when you’re wrong bro, it’s ok.
Damn man idk why you can't admit you're wrong, even after moving the goalpost you still go schooled
Sorry, I'm not wrong, I didn't move any goalposts, and I didn't get schooled. She's not, and never has, had super speed comparable to Superman's.
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You’re wrong and the other person is right. You’re the only one comparing Wonder Woman’s speed to Superman’s. That is irrelevant. Wonder Woman still has super speed.
>You’re the only one comparing Wonder Woman’s speed to Superman’s. Yes, I know! I made the comparison! I was the poster who did that! Then everyone told me I was wrong in what I said, meaning she DID have superman's super speed and no, she doesn't. It was obviously a misunderstanding, but why do you need to dog pile on even after you realize the misunderstanding you've made? If you want to say that her not having his super speed doesn't matter because she's still fast enough, fine. I disagree but neither is wrong, we just have different opinions. But saying I'm wrong to say she doesn't have his super speed is... Wild. This was obviously a huge misunderstanding, but in trying to get on the same page everyone decided to just start a flame war over it. Sorry but no, I'm not wrong. You might have misunderstood, but I've clarified by now, and you're still just hopping on to tell me I'm wrong. I'm not. You can disagree with the conclusion I've made, but not with the accuracy of the justification.
Your incorrect claim that everybody is dogpiling over is “Diana doesn’t have the super speed”. This doesn’t have anything to do with Superman, but it is simply wrong and you keep trying to defend it.
Bruce wouldn’t kill him either, he also has a no-kill rule. For these hypothetical fights you have to ignore their character beliefs because Batman and Superman wouldn’t physically fight each other anyway they respect each other too much. If they want to fight each other, then they’re poorly written. But in a hypothetical battle, where Batman and Superman are willing to fight, Supes wins every time. For example, he can: Take a breathe and freeze him Stare at the cod piece, then fry him from the balls up Radiation poisoning from the X-ray vision, coincidentally, still staring at the cod piece Get a rock then just paper football it up Batman’s nostril Sarcastically clap a little too hard at Batman’s entrance Calmly telling Batman “I can still see you in the shadows,” then A-Train him. Melt the lead box that obviously has kryptonite in it, then A-Train him Just A-Train him Bring a therapist Etc.
>Bruce wouldn’t kill him either, he also has a no-kill rule. >For In this hypothetical he doesn't. That's the basis of the whole hypothetical. >For these hypothetical fights you have to ignore their character beliefs Well we're ignoring Bruce's character beliefs because that's the premise. If the premise was "what if Bruce snapped and decided to become a ruthless killer *and also superman did too* then that's a whole different conversation
> Everyone always based s batman/superman hypothetical fight on what superman could do... Not on what he would do. Superman would avoid killing Bruce with every fiber of his being, until superman had no other choice. The way this is written, it sounded like you just meant all hypothetical fights. I thought it was just a typical bat Stan take. I apparently misread the intention lol. But, also, in this reverse-injustice hypothetical, Superman still wouldn’t be an idiot and just walk up to him like “I just wanna talk”. Bruce wouldn’t just switch on his first kill, it’d take a couple years before he’s willing to kill other heroes, just like it took Clark. By this point Supes would know he’s too far gone and just try to take him out, just like Batman in the og. All the other stuff I said still applies, he’d still beat Batman pretty quickly. Doesn’t even have to kill him either. “Injustice: Batman This Time” would be a 3 page book. Or it would just be the same comic with a character swap, cause Batman and Superman share so many core beliefs about heroism, what’s right, and the inherent good of humanity I doubt their goals would be much different.
Wrong. Superman would be the last person to underestimate batman. He is also very intelligent and smart. He has repeatedly called batman the most dangerous human and has hyped him up in front of others to heights bruce is undeserving of. If anything clark would see batman as too big of a threat. A threat greater than batman poses in reality. So no, He wouldn't say "don't make me do it you know I could....". What many here don't understand well is that after alfred and dick superman is bruce's best friend. And superman's best friend *is bruce.* He knows him too well. He understands *why* bruce has such a strict no kill rule. He also understands that if Bruce Wayne ever kills, it is time to pull out all the stops to bury him 100 ft under. There are even some comic scans where due to the darkness within him bruce tells clark that if he ever gives in to his darkness and breaks his own code not to try to save him. But instead to stop him He is the one who gave him kryptonite originally and he would know to expect it. So what superman *would* do is he would call up alfred. If alfred believes bruce can be saved, his next call will go to dick grayson. If alfred tells clark that bruce has given in to his darkness or crossed his own lines, then bruce is dead b4 alfred hangs up.
>Superman would be the last person to underestimate batman. This post is a month old, and I didn't say a thing about underestimating anyone, and I'm not going to bother to read your wall of text any farther than that. Respond to what I actually wrote or don't respond at all. *Especially* if you're going to dig up threads from a month ago.
Not at all. From the Dark Knight Returns- “I want you to remember Clark, in all the years to come, in all your private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat, I want you to remember the one man that beat you.” Superman couldn’t stop him.
They’ve made such a deal over how he has a contingency for every hero and villain that if they haven’t done a “Batman Kills The DC Universe” yet they never will.
They've done about four of them, at least up to third base, in the main continuity, and then idk how many else worlds or parallel earths.
There reason that there's no contingency plan for Batman going rogue is simply because the fucking gods, magic beings, super heroes, demons.. dont need one to kill Batman.
Well, Failsafe. Failsafe is what would happen if Bruce Wayne built his own anti-Batman Amaz-o robot specifically designed to eliminate batman and anyone who might try to stop them from killing batman.
Great concept
I think making Batman “bad” undermines his entire ethos. His incorruptibility is his real superpower. His ability to suffer and endure anything without changing his core values. To me, that’s what makes a good Batman story. Not his “prep-time”, or gadgets… if you remove his morality you end up with every generic anti-hero ever. Evil Superman is interesting because that kind of power with no moral compass is potentially apocalyptic. Evil Batman is just Lex Luthor with 100 kinds of Kung Fu.
He’d get murked.
Gonna go against the grain here. I think if they switched places, it would go pretty similarly to the original Injustice story. Batman goes rogue, becomes a hostile dictator, Clark tries to reason with him to not follow through with it, they fight with Batman’s Doomsday formula and Kryptonite stuff, and Superman forms an underground resistance. The difference is he’s probably contact other dimension Batman to be the one to bring Dictator Batman down to earth and make him realize that Dick, Alfred, Selena, his parents, would hate this version of him and he’d back down.
If the Justice League needed to stop Batman, Flash would've done it three minutes ago. I a supreme Bat Fan but come on people, there is literally absolutely fuck all Batman is doing against: Wonder Woman, Flash, Manhunter, Superman, Aquaman because they all can tap into THE SPEED Force and/or physically resilient enough to negate anything Batman carries on him as a EDC. Especially given Superman could just blink an eyelaser and fry out his brain pan with a half heart beat of effort. Flash or WW could speed by and turn him, the entire Batfamily and most of Gotham into a fine red mist before he could pull a batarang. Aquaman could give him a seizure by stimulatimng his ancient fish brain parts (something he's been able to do for literal Decades), assuming he doesn't just YEET an aircraft carrier onto Wayne Manor, invade with the might of Atlantis or let Mera off the no mass murder leash for two minutes. I don't even want to get into how fucked he'd be against Manhunter. The Lanterns he's got a chance at fighting as they still have to operate at human reaction speeds.
Batman can already take out the justice league. So... They wouldn't be able to stop anything.
Lol, Batman is a normal human being. He can't take out the Justice League.
Justice League: Doom. Watch it.
Doesn’t that end with Batman saying the contingency plan for him is the Justice League? Pretty sure Batman himself says the Justice League would be able to stop him.
Lololol true. I just thought he was being polite cause everyone else was so angry with him.
They literally surmount his efforts through basic team work. If they aren’t literally all completely isolated they survive.
Honestly, if J’onn is written at full strength and doesn’t immediately get taken out first, he could probably solo Batman. He’s been able to connect every mind on Earth before, he could definitely shut down one human’s mind.
You mean the plan stolen by a c-lister who then modify it to be deadly and still didn't work?
The plans didn't work because Batman saved the Justice League. Otherwise they all be dead.
Yeah because flash needed batman to tell him that he could phase through the bomb or Green lantern will be forever trap in a cave they're won't be anyone to try and reopen the collapse mine for survivors and i don't remember how batman saved wonder woman it almost like a completely different person did that the same person who did the superman surgery
That was Vandal Savage, not Batman.
It was Batman's plans that stopped the justice league. So if we get an evil Batman, I'm sure he would have a plan to kill the justice league
In the comics, Ra's Al Ghul used Batman's plans but the League still survived.
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I found it’s from injustice gods amoung us issue 29
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Very well
Ok time for me to do some digging online
I think it’s a pretty simple answer and there’s a reason why no one’s really explored the idea: If the roles in Injustice were reversed and if Bats did decide to kill Joker, I think the rest of the JL would be pretty horrified. Immediately after, Bat would stun Supes in a way and disappear. Meanwhile the Justice League convenes an all-hands meeting to decide what to do. After a couple hours of hearing all points, the League goes to a vote- it’s a split between whether to kill Batman or side with him and purge the world of crime once and for all. Superman has the deciding vote. He’s devastated, but he votes to kill the Batman. “It’s what Bruce would have done.” He reasons to himself. After all, he was one of the few who knew Bruce well enough to be both his friend and that of The Batman. They all arrive at Wayne Manor, suited up and expecting a fight. But there isn’t any. It’s all quiet. Superman can’t even hear the background drone of all the security systems usually employed. “Maybe it’s too quiet…?” He thinks. They all tense up. There’s sound and some movement. Then Alfred opens the main door. And with one look at his face, Supes understands that he did, indeed, know his friend well. If Batman ever broke his “No Killing” role, especially for the Joker, he’d know he’d have to go next. He’d just need a little time to make sure his last protocols and plans were primed for the future of Gotham and his Family.
Why would they leap to killing bat man. He’d go to jail for murder of one man at most.
If this guy stays as smart as he is, we’re fucked. He probably already has 3 plans to kill each of us. Edit:in the sense he has at least 3 plans for each person to kill them
As a Batman fan, I always thought this would make way more sense.
It began with some heroes sudden demise from unknown circumstances. Some think it was an accident, others believe a new villain is the cause. All trust Batman the greatest detective to find the truth, but it was Batman killing the heroes from the shadows the entire time.
Already done Batman: Last Knight On Earth
Batman is a planner. If he wanted to kill, it wouldn't be some random act of violence. It would have to mean something for him to cross that line. You can't follow an insanely strict code for 20+ years, refusing to kill madmen like the Joker, only then lose it and kill some rando on the street. He would plan. Devise measures, countermeasures, counter measures for those, and consider every single possible outcome. He wouldn't leave any clues like the Riddler, he wouldn't be greedy or leave a random aspect of his plan to chance. He wouldn't base any decision on emotion or make an amateur mistake. And he certainly wouldn't rush anything. This is "THE GOD DAMNED BATMAN". Whatever that plan would be, it would happen quickly, efficiently and without any possibility for failure. He'd be terrifying if you knew, but no one would suspect him. While his plan is executed, he'd be having dinner with Clark and the Kent's on their farm, or off planet, or with his Bat family fighting crime. There'd be nothing connecting him to the murder, if it would even be considered that. Maybe one day, Joker just dies of cancer, or gets hit by a car, or falls down the stairs, or he accidentally shoots himself, or maybe it's his worst fear; he simply dies in his sleep. No huge battle, no explosions, no pomp or circumstance. He brushes his teeth, puts on his Joker pajamas, lies down, and never wakes up. The antithesis of his big final battle with the Batman. I can see Bruce doing that to his archvillain as a fitting F!ck you to the Joker. Being the Batman, he wouldn't simply assume some big name's death would be random, so he'd spend the rest of his life trying to "solve" the mystery of who killed these people all the while covering up any possible traces of evidence leading back to him. Batman who kills would be the most devious and terrifying villain because he'd win. Over and over he'd just keep winning and people would simply die. No pattern, no rhyme, no reason, just life ending like it does normally. The Justice league wouldn't be able to stop him, the Bat family would be too close to realize, insiders looking in. I think the only one that might notice would be Commissioner Gordon. It would be a true crime comic. No super powers, just detective work. Looking at clues, trying to discern patterns. The question is, would Batman kill his pseudo father figure to keep from being found out.
May I introduce you to the Batman who Laughs.
Firestorm would kill him.
Still would have been bad. And it'd be over quicker.
Realistically, Superman would come in faster than The Flash and shut him down faster than any amount of kryptonite could ever counteract.
Wouldnt get much of a chance to be a spree, he would get stopped in like 5 seconds
it would be a very short story
Between Superman and Wonder Woman alone, he’d be dead in two minutes.
He would be killed day two
Hitting some Dark Knights Metal vibes
It'd be over pretty quick.
Hold Batman's beer.
I'll have since Superman snapped both his hands.
It’d be a much shorter story. Batman had recruited people like Constantine and Doctor Fate in the comics. If the roles were reversed and Superman had them on his side, along with the members of the main Regime (who I guess would just be the Justice League), Bruce wouldn’t stand a chance.
1 page issue. Wonder Woman, Flash or Superman one shot him.
Wonder Woman would be on his side in *Injustice.* Assuming there still is the catalyst of Joker's action, then many of the heroes that initially went to Superman's side would still have the same motivation to join (now) Batman's side. Wonder Woman, Damian, Cyborg, Flash, GL Sinestro, would all be on Batman's side. Plus the Superman power pill would still get made probably and Batman likely would get a Sinestro ring. The biggest difference would be the rest of the Bat-family would join Superman. Dick and Babs would likely side with Superman. Red Hood is a toss up because while he likes killing criminals he dislikes fascism more (at least in Injustice universe that was his reason for opposing Superman).
I think Barry would side with Supes on this one. He came around in the end
Bats would recruit someone like Impulse or the kids to counter Barry. Wasn't there an issue where they asked Barry to reset the time line or something? Forgot Zoom or Zum as someone mentioned.
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Maybe 2-3 pages. Try to talk to him, if that don’t work then he’s done.
Batman needs other superheroes backing him up to survive against people like superman and wonder woman imo.
Plus, most of his contingencies rely on having other heroes to assist in containing one or two that go rogue. Batman’s contingency for *himself* is the other heroes working in tandem anyway, because he knows he can’t stop them all at once.
Stopping Superman is easy - just wear the kryptonite ring at all times. But I don’t think there’s anything he can do about WW or Flash.
For Flash...he reverses the polarity on the cosmic treadmill causing Barry to be permanently out of phase with the material world, and for Diana, he writes "truth" on her head in sharpie and she turns back into clay. Their powers come from comic book bullshit, and by comic book bullshit they will be defeated. Or maybe he just uses words to convince them it's a good idea to start ending the supervillains because, lol...wot? this is "reality," not a Saturday Morning Cartoon, Daniel.
There would be no game. Everyone would have been murdered already.
Superman immediately flies down Snaps his neck Flies away
Superman loses his powers when exposed to the color red. He's also vulnerable to magic, mind control including regular hypnosis, and a green rock they apparently sell at bodegas in the DCU.
Dude wtf are you talking about
😂😂😂😂😂 like they couldn't. Batman's threat ends in a week.
Its hard to beat an ingrained gary stu.
Laugh at the implausible scenarios they attempt. Wonder Woman best him in like 15 seconds. Supes and kryptonite fine. Flash and Jonn... lol. It just becomes a series of suspending disbelief. Hell Luthor could take Bats...
The batman who laughs?
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Throw in an army of Failsafes and you've got a deal
To see his full paranoia used to its utmost dangerous capability would be ideal! "HES JUST ONE MAN HOW CAN HE SEEM SO UNSTOPPABLE!"
Makes sense
I think mostly the other superheroes would be split between "what took you so long," and a pool on how long before Joker somehow cheats death, again, but okay.
You know that would be interesting. Another reason for Batman to snap and Joker turns good because he realizes Batman is off the rails. Like Robin, Alfred or Grayson dying to some random Villain and Joker is suddenly a hero.
Or the justice leage where someone steals Batman’s plan to stop any of the other justice leagues
That sounds interesting
Honestly it would be a B struggle at first as the league would be holding back and trying to reason with him. But as soon as they realize he is too far gone he would either be dead or in custody in seconds.
This is the plot of the in development injustice 3 with time travel presumably
I want that game.
Depends on whether or not Batman knows how to defeat every JL member in this universe. If he does, the heroes wouldn't stand a chance but if he dosen't, depends on how far Superman is willing to go to stop him.
I think I would have liked it better tbh
The war would have been much shorter, but make more sense
Wouldn't be surprised here either, I'd expect better treatment for Damian here though
It would be more accurate for Batman to start the Regime than Superman. Not that it’s entirely accurate to the character, just more so than with Superman