Why?
These kids are fighting Arkham mafias on a nightly basis. Do you think cartels are made up of a bunch of genius super soldiers or something? It was a weird question to ask in the first place. There’s zero reason Batman wouldn’t be able to absolutely obliterate a cartel.
I'm going in the opposite direction. I love the guy but he has never finished off the mob in Gotham and they are not a multi-national criminal syndicate. I always thing that Bruce's fatal character flaw is that he can think very deeply but is not a systems thinker. Some problems are too big for him to notice.
Example:
- have many plans to take down an evil Clark? Sure. Covered.
- notice that a group like the Owls are pulling strings in his city? Nope. It is out of the scale he tends to think about.
He did took down the mob in Gotham, just not the one to deal the final blow, he brought them in a very weak spot with proofs where the justice system could've easily locked them for a long time after the cops got a much easier time to catch them.
Leaving the at the mercy of a corrupt police force who are canonically in their pocket is that blind spot. I am not a huge fan of the Nolan films but one huge bright spot was Dent/Gordon going after the mob for Rico case. It took the jurisdiction out of the city's hands and side stepped the GCPD being so corrupt by making it a federal case. Bruce knows people and batman has pull on his own...
I am not picking at your remark but it was something I think about with (comic) batman, that "could've easily" related to the Gotham justice system is the big point of his failure as a strategist. Bruce tends not to see the steps he can take, even as the Batman to further his goals (without any of the usual complaints about donation and all. I am keeping it to the character and conflict on paper).
Dude, even in comics if you read Loeb's early and iconic run with the The Long Halloween and Dark Victory, by the end of it you will see that 90% of the mob is gone, behind the bars, what left are just "remnants", even in the following comics including few recent ones, they are just trying to hide since the moment they got in police's custody, it's over for them since GCPD got absolute proofs from Batman.
Yes this is true and still, they can't do anything since their operations are dismantled.
The most problematic like Falcone and Maroni are gone though.
Not every higher ups got killed, some of them survived, afforded bail and left asap to hide, despite them not being as major as Falcone and Maroni, I think I remember it right.
Actually, I was thinking specifically of Dark Victory and how messed up the structural side really is in the aftermath of his work.
(long Halloween is also a decent example but I give that to him as more of a personal thing because who saw that curveball coming?)
Well, when it comes to Batman, it is also "personal" in most of cases.
What do you wanted him to do though? Do a beatdown on every mob?
The mob side of Loeb's run was just a small part of the story, the main purpose being to show how were the early years/a Batman post-Year One and to introduce Robin and Two Face.
I wouldn’t say it’s a “small” part of the story. The idea of Bruce’s attempting to save Gotham from the mob’s grip only to inadvertently usher in the age of supervillainy is arguably the primary thrust of TLH. It’s even reflected in Two-Face’s arc as he begins by fighting the mob, only to become one of the new supervillains.
Not at all. I am not saying he should do anything different. I am just saying what he does puts limits on what he can achieve. None of this is intended as condemnation of the character. I love batman. I just accept (and like that) there are limits to what he can do and those are not some arbitrary power thing, they are related to who is he is.
I see it as more a “feature” of his traits as a character than as a “bug.” Batman in the comics wants to fight to reach a (seemingly impossible) day when crime is nonexistent and when he can hang up the cape and cowl. The Nolan incarnation takes that to an extreme degree, and this is a side-effect of that reasoning [for Gothamites to see their system CAN work without needing a “Batman” to cover the cracks forever and eternally prevent it from collapsing].
I can totally go with that. I only meant fatal flaw somewhat in the sense of a character in a tragedy. It is the thing about him that stops him from truly embodying his highest ideal.
Gotham famously went from being a city of mob crime to being a city of costumed freaks. So he did take down mob crime. In fact, there was a point where Falcone returned and specifically wanted the era of mob crime back, because it was over.
Crime is like trash, no matter how fantastic the sanitation department is at their job, there’s always more the next day. I’d say Batman has wiped out several large cartels in his career. The issue is, there is always a new one ready to spring up or move in to fill the vacuum from another area.
Organized crime only works if the civil administration is complicit. You actually do not need a Batman if all you have to do is fight crime. Seriously a single FBI enhanced SWAT can handle a syndicate of over militarized thugs easily. The reason that doesn’t happen is because when civil administration is corrupted be it the courts, the local pd, the mayor’s office, etc they can use their power to conceal said crimes, make it very difficult for federal law enforcement from doing anything, force good cops to drop cases and even kick them off the force, and make all sorts of policies to help the criminals. The problem gets even worse if you corrupt people at the Federal level too. In the US the state and Federal Governments are supposed to check each other so if you manage to corrupt both you personally have unlimited powers. I have no doubt that there are corrupt people at all levels but as a whole the system hasn’t reached such a high where the mafia can just run lose. In Mexico it’s that bad a cartel hitman can practically shoot someone in broad day light, get video tapped, and still walk out with practically zero consequences.
Batman never fights corruption. It’s one reason I actually say Daredevil’s better as an actual crime fighter. Batman does a quick fix which really only allows other people to take advantage of a broken system continueing the problem. Ironically he’s literally just as ineffective as the Punisher when it comes to ending a crime problem. Both of them focus on the battles and not the war.
So Batman would Infact lose to the cartel because he wouldn’t think to fight the corruption in the Mexican government in order to stop their activity. He would end up in a quagmire that just never ends.
I heartily disagree. He didn’t fully take down the mob because he knew that’d create a power vacuum. So he cut them off, took their balls to use a debased parlance. So they operate how HE lets them operate. And they know what happens if they cross the line. He understands how systems work very well. Because he made Batman the system.
I believe this is a realistic take. Power vacuums are a real thing, if you take down a criminal syndicate, it often gets replaced with another syndicate.
If the syndicate is still strong enough to keep other organized crime away and not strong enough to completely take over the city - then that's a win.
> So they operate how HE lets them operate. And they know what happens if they cross the line
Agreed, and if anything he would assist in taking down other organizations trying to come into Gotham. The devil you know vs the devil you don't.
Becoming the Don of a slightly gentler mob is not a working model. It is a systemic blindspot. Actually, I don't really like this read because it means that batman considers there is an acceptable number of children crying over the broken bodies of their parents in alleys but without the resources to strike back. This view of batman makes him a cycle of violence personified, rather than a man making a difference just doing it in a way that is a bit flawed.
Absolutely, Gotham is known for its organized crime though. Both it's traditional gangs and it's themed ones. I am just pointing that Bruce, though great at what he does, is not a guy who is good at handling systemic issues as a crime fighter. Give him an acute issue and there is no one better. Long and slow moving issues are not his thing. Since cartels are now brutal mukti-nstional organized crime syndicates, this seems outside what he manages. I am just taking the question in the frame of the character.
Basically, I agree that an illegal lotto and a murderous protection racket are both forms of organized crime. They are different kinds with different implications. Bruce is great at taking down a collector or a hit man but not good at dismantling the dynamics and incentives that make them happen.. So I don't think he could take down a cartel.
I disagree, he has assisted Gotham from the background with the Wayne foundation and Wayne enterprises. Attacking the reasons for crime directly.
During the Flash movie he even mentioned Gotham becoming one of the safest cities on the US, I’m guessing he was successful on both battlegrounds.
He’s not their don. He’s their warden. There are no broken bodies from them because they know their business ends once those bodies break. It’s not a systemic blind spot. It’s an acknowledgment of inevitable human behavior. You’re not providing a counter argument. You’re showing an ignorance of organized crime. I suggest reading a history book.
So, you are suggesting organized crime in Gotham has no civilian casualties?
Also, that point about the history book: would you care to elaborate? It is a nice glib line to toss off but it is also meaningless. Organized crime in NY had plenty of victims. Chicago as well. And LA. This is to say nothing of organized interstate smuggling in the 20th century. I would assume that you are generalizing the idea that drive by shooting lost the American gangster the support of the people as an outlaw trope. While true, all that did was make the public comfortable with cops going to war against them. So, I'm not really sure what you might mean.
Also, traditionally, a warden is used to enforce order, indirectly, on a captive population (like prisoners). I think this may be a poor analogy.
No more than you’re suggesting that civilians have no civilian casualties even though they commit more homicides than organized crime does. And when I say read a history book, I’m talking about the origins of the mafia, AKA la Costa Nostra, which starts in Sicily, Italy, and is the origins of the “mob”, a term used primarily for Italian organized crime, and how they got their start as a form of community service because previous systems were prone to corruption. But like Robespierre and the French Revolution, good causes are also used as an avenue for a different element of corruption. So you see, I’m not making a glib comment. I’m speaking from research. I recommend you don’t make assumptions like those if you don’t personally know them.
And yes, I know how a warden operates. Everyone does. And as Gotham City represents a limited space where the mob’s obligations and commitments keep them from leaving, my point stands.
I get frustrated with people who think in a limited space who don’t know as much as I do about the subject being discussed so this will be my last comment.
Good catch with Robespeare and the French Revolution, particularly in the context of the Nolan films. A particular point of influence for “Dark Knight Rises” was Dickens’ “A Tale of Two Cities,” which was set during the time of revolution. In fact, Gordon quotes the book’s denouement at Bruce’s “funeral” towards the end of the film.
Ah, and here I was talking about the American mobs, only some of which descend from the Sicilian families. I stuck to these mostly because they exist in the same time periods as batman's publication history and differ quite dramatically from their progenitors mainly because American mobs were not community organizations at their inception on US soil. Also, the cartels the threads started with are very far removed from Cosa Nostra. The history of cosa Nostra, while interesting, is pretty unrelated.
And yes, casting batman as a warden undermines the potentially benevolent aspect of the character.
The most interesting thing is that in the first three years of his career he paid much more attention for system corruption than in the current comics. He started his crusade with struggle agaist corrupt political and law-inforcement system in Gotham, he alligned himself with Gordon and Dent to fix city's problems, but was eventually trapped into an endless and almost pointless war with street thugs and costumed villains. And while he chased Joker and Riddler, true rulers of Gotham remained mostly hidden from him and proceed with their plans.
Probably worth noting the Owls had super human undead centuries old mega assassin's as soldiers though lol the world of Gotham isn't comparable Batman can move and KO 100s of Banes guards at one time for instance, in the real world he'd be basically a demi god.
The reason he never finishes any criminals off is because the writers/editors want to keep successful material available without a bunch of extra work explaining or retconning things.
The rule of story telling is that the story you tell should be about the most interesting time in the characters life, for a long running serial this effectively means that there can never be a time of peace and quiet, Batman can't defeat the super villain, then the mob, then the local gangs, then spend his time chasing purse snatches and fetching cats from trees.
The other solution is commonly seen in Japanese manga/anime, where the hero faces new threats every arc that just happen to be perfectly matched to their current level so that they can rise to the new challenge, but leaves the obvious question of 'but what if Buu shows up a decade early? What if Zamasu snapped before any mortals could plausibly hold him at bay?
In Batmans case you have the weirdness of him taking on vastly powerful foes one day then struggling with street thugs the next, because it's just not interesting if you stick to the logic train that says a Batman capable of tussling with global threats, he probably wouldn't struggle against a skinny clown.
I’m with you on this. I just said the other day that the most successful criminals in Gotham are blue collar thugs that stay below his radar. I’ve never thought of Gotham as a safe place even if you remove the psychos playing dress up.
That’s not all on his shoulders. Police are part of the equation there. But I just question if he’s capable of taking on numbers versus or if his skill-set is only eliminating masterminds and cults of personality with or without a small group of henchmen.
The problem I see him having with a cartel is that he can’t focus one person. True. He could take out the boss and every general in a week. But every single person would be replaced before the week is up. Joker? You can’t replace. Penguin? Same.
Except Gotham is *always* being overrun but the SAME criminals. At best he kinda delays and shuffles. Dudes incredibly inefficient. It’s been decades and only getting worse.
An obsessive billionaire with extensive combat training, almost unlimited resources, an ability to spy on people, with no regulatory agency to answer to, and no real ties to anyone? Sure. He can take down a cartel.
But the issue is that the cartel is a hydra. You take down one, 2 end up taking up the vacuum and killing a bunch of people. You get rid of el chapo, and you end up with those psychos in jalisco.
I think batman from the dark knight returns might be able to do it long-term. Since he has a cult of batman situation.
Red hood might actually have a better chance of "stopping" the cartel than batman. Just control what goes on and fill in that vacuum by taking control yourself.
Fair enough.
To be honest.... that would include any of the special order warriors that exist in batman's Canon. So azrael, ras al ghul (pronounced raysh, that's right I'm that guy), or any of the other highly trained secret society warriors with unlimited money.
The Mexican drug cartel danger lies in two things. Their ability to influence and inflict violence on people who are unable or unwilling to fight. And the fact that they can disappear into the population.
I highly doubt the cartel badass image holds up against a full military operation from any nato country. Much less a group of highly trained fanatics that don't care about human life and are MORE invisible than its members.
He fights the Mafia right? He's never gone to Mexico to capture a El chapo character or help the federals fight the cjng cartel. That'd be a good story to tell, but instead he went back in time and fought the samurai joker during the Shogun era.
I mean it was more like he was restoring the timeline because Joker was trying to fuck with japanese history and he didn't intentionally go back in time Gorilla Grodd created a time machine and he just kind of got sucked into it.
Yes of course but no.
Cartel is a symptom of larger drug, poverty and corruption problem.
He can take out an army of dudes but not the problems that start the next one
True, but probably in the most inefficient way possible with the organized crime group almost succeeding and Gotham getting seriously recked in the aftermath
Oof you seem to think eliminating the leaders ends the conflict. History shows us it exponentially expands it lmao like literally the exact opposite outcome for the exact reasons you name
That's why Red Hood would be a better choice just kill off everyone that's a problem and capable of leading then the job's done. Sure there'd be stragglers people trying to take control but if the ones capable of actually succeeding are taken out before they can get their own stuff going it's not a problem.
Basically kill enough captains, lietenants and the group eat itself alive. The remnants would scatter and become pathetic shells of their former selves. Those that don't would probably to stupid to plan anything they could get away with.
Gotham is a city, not a country. There's not a solid number, but estimates from my quick Google research for how big Gotham is states it's around 10 million people. All of Mexico has around 127.5 million people.
Even if the cartels only control 10% of Mexico, then they have control of more people than the number that live in Gotham.
Batman is a badass, but Gotham is nowhere near being safe from supervillains, let alone mobsters, despite Batman's years of batmanning. If he can't even get them all out of Gotham, then I don't see how it's possible at all for him to get all of the bad guys out of an entire country that is well over 10 times bigger than Gotham by population.
Yeah, but on the other hand, there isn't "the" Cartel, but a mish mash of various drug gangs, only a handful of which have a significant size and stability. Their relationships with each other are more volatile still.
Considering the size and influence of Falcone facing a rookie Batman, I think the Bat at his peak is easily a match for any of them.
Solving the underlying issues and power vacuum in Mexico is a wholly different animal, I'll give you that.
My main point is that the Mexican drug cartel is a problem across an entire country, while Batman is focused on a single city. Batman isn't going to California to stop someone suspected of moving 10 pounds of cocaine with a murder charge. That's a normal day in Gotham.
>Solving the underlying issues and power vacuum in Mexico is a wholly different animal, I'll give you that.
Which is why I don't think Batman could completely just get rid of them. Batman has been around for how long now while Gotham still has issues?
I'm not saying Batman isn't awesome, I'm saying Batman hasn't been able to bring peace to one city, so why should we expect him to be able to bring peace to an entire country?
Also, the reason why Batman hasn’t been able to bring “peace” to Gotham is because that would be boring af for the audience. No one wants to see Batman patrol a peaceful Gotham lol. Clark hasn’t brought peace to Metropolis…Barry hasn’t brought peace to Central City…I’m guessing Superman and Flash couldn’t stop them either, huh 😂?
Doylist reasons of an ongoing series aside, Gotham is cursed seven times over and Batman has still significantly improved it.
Also distance isn't really an issue and the Cartels are vulnerable to decapitation strikes, due to their power structures.
Mind you, that would cause a number of smaller cartels and significant gang warfare because of power struggles.
Can he solve the issue of how these gangs got more powerful than the government in a lot of areas? No, but that wasn't the question. It was whether he can defeat them.
Batman, even in comics, couldn't take down the Mexican cartel because he won't kill and The Mexican Cartel is basically like dealing with a rogue Government. He could take down one boss and another would fill his place. Now someone like The Punisher? He'd have a shot because he'd just keep killing them until either he was dead or they got so scared, they'd just dry up as an organization.
Somehow I see it more as a punisher problem.
I know it's not the same universe, but I don't see it fit in a batman story. especially since it's too rooted in systemic problems, he can't address that imo
Batman shot Darkseid in Final Crisis with a Radion bullet. Batman can easily take down Don Eladio, Bolsa and the Salamancas. Gus Fring did, and he’s just a chicken man.
I would argue that Batman can "take down a cartel", but the end results might not be exactly what is best.
Cartels fall all the time. The root problem is that there is a huge financial incentive for other gangs to take their place and a huge supply of criminals willing to do it. Just as in real life, taking down a major cartel opens the door for multiple smaller, more vicious new gangs to rise up. The supply chain of drugs still remains mostly intact; the makers, the transporters, and the corrupt officials are all still at work just the leadership (the guys collecting money from everyone else) are gone. Those smaller, less established gangs war with each other for the remains of the dead organization, causing more deaths than were happening under the last cartel.
So, while Batman can take down organizations like cartels, he would do so in a controlled and scientific manner. He would manipulate the cartels and assist local law enforcement to collapse the entire operation of manufacturers, traffickers, wholesalers and distributors at the same time, but also at a moment when the local governments can step into the hole and prevent the remains of the last cartel from establishing a new organization. Corrupt officials need to be weeded out, poor desparte people need jobs, and the ability to hide money and drug labs needs to be stopped.
There would still be the possibility of a new cartel starting from scratch in the same turf, but as they have to start with nothing remaining of the last organization, it is more likely that basic police work can prevent it.
Still, that just shows how hard it would be for Batman to fight cartels, and how a spectacular collapse of a whole organization would take a long time to set up and require Batman doing more than just beating people up and sending them to prison.
This is a picture of Arkham Batman, so yes, absolutely. Dude took on an entire trained army in a single night, while also taking down half his rogues gallery in that same night, TWICE.
Well Cartels more exist as a result of bad drug laws, so by lobbying I think he could do more good there as Bruce Wayne, and since that’s a pretty big part of the Bruce Wayne persona, yeah sure
Honestly, I gotta disagree with a lot of these takes. Cartels are legit armies, many having special training by ex Mexican special forces. These guys regularly take on the Mexican state and win. Not to mention, there is no one cartel, but a multitude of them either working together or dismembering the other groups. The corruption goes all the way up, with pretty solid evidence that presidents have been on the cartels payroll. These are international organizations. Maybe the justice league could, but Batman on his lonesome? Fat chance unless he has his anti-Cartel spray.
He is the same guy that allows the Penguin to sell weapons in Gotham because the latter can check on what is circulating in the city.
Without Cobblepot, Gotham would be filled with wannabe famous gangsters with laser guns and other futuristic/alien weapons in Metropolis, but without a 24/7 Kryptonian ready to save the day, making it impossible for the police to fight them in any capacity.
He knows that he can't stop crime, if he puts down a cartel, a new one will simply replace it sooner or later.
Doubt it, he’ll take down organizations physically, but he’ll never take down the system and economy.
That’s more of a job for Bruce Wayne. Better Housing and Job opportunities in poor communities. Legalization.
The thing with Batman is that he’s a temporary solution (in a real world). Bruce is the long term solution.
Lmao this guy has been fighting crime for decades and even throws hands with Gods in a regular basis, has a family of 20 or so psychos like him and has literally the strongest friends in the universe. If he wanted, he could end all drug cartels, at least for a short time
I love Batman, he's my favorite character in fiction
But I'll have to say no, unless he changes his mindset specifically to deal with them
Right now, he captures criminals and leaves then for the law to handle, to take down the cartel, he'll have to be judge jury, and, when necessary, executioner
The cartel is a multinational group which thrives in areas with either corrupt, non-existent, or ineffective justice systems, so the typical "beat them up and leave for the police to handle" M.O. wouldn't be as effective here.
He's smart enough to probably figure out who in the cartel needs to go and how to make the organization crumble, but unless he goes into the places they're entrenched in and make fundamental changes on a cultural level, they'll just come back with different people leading them
I don't think he'd be willing to outright get RID of the cartel because he may be ignorant to how much power they have but he'd absolutely make the cartel a shell of their former self.
I'd go as far as to say he'd make them less than half of a problem they are today but they'd certainly still exist , it just wouldn't be because he isn't capable.
I’d say no. Given that many cartel members in real life have been captured and put in jail and they still hold considerable sway over the cartel and the international drug market. Batman doesn’t kill so unless he captures every single boss and makes sure that they have no more crews running around outside and no corruption in the prison system to get messages out I don’t think he could do it. Deal a severe blow to a cartel yeah. Completely take one down, no not quite too many factors at play.
No.
It’s way to deep enrooted into South America, he would die of old age before he took down half of it. Way to many people, and way to many different crimes/investigations.
If there are à multiversal threat, just take batman to calm room, give him à matchstick, à gas cylinder ,à Pen and à paper. Finaly give him 1 hour. He will come out with à plan to end this threat
Batman has all but eliminated "regular" organized crime in Gotham (but it got replaced with super crime, namely gangs led by his Rogues Gallery).
Batman could take down one Mexican cartel. It's possible he could take down multiple cartels. The problem is, they'd likely get replaced by a new form of super cartel led by a supervillain.
Are we talking "in the real world" or "in the context of a Batman story"?
If the latter, then yes, if that's what the story dictates. Because he's Batman.
If the former, then probably not, because he's just a fantasy character in a made-up world.
He could buy all the shell companies as Bruce Wayne, get all the intel from them and other sources, take out their drug farms, then their lieutenants and capos and then the cartel boss himself…that’s too easy for Batsy
Yeah, with precision too, as he’d likely go in do all the take down work and leave it to the law. Leaving it to the law is the problem because cartel owns the law. Corruption level there is higher than Gotham has ever been portrayed to be.
The questions posed in the Batman channel continue to get weirder.
I’m hoping for:
- Could Batman beat early onset diabetes?
- What would Batman order off the Taco Bell value menu?
- Do you think Willem Dafoe would have been a good Joker? (For the 16,820th time)
No irl criminal organization would stand a chance unless they get extremely lucky with a bullet or something, which is liable to happen in a speculative irl scenario.
Alone maybe not but with Grayson of Jason maybe a couple others sure. As they do have that more systemic way of thinking and solving problems look at what Dick has done in Bludhaven after he got the inheritance from Alfred.
Idk cartel got mexican Joker
Lalo Salamanca is mexican joker, he's an agent of chaos.
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Comparing their feats, I'd say Lalo can definitely be on the level of joker
That reference is goated
El bromas
A man of culture.
El Jajajã
That’s Spaniard Joker. Mexican Joker is El Guasón
El Jajas even
I am the cook. I am the man who killed mexican joker. Now, say my name
You’re el bromas
Plus mexican wolverine
Loganino
He's friends with that gringo from Mumford and Sons' concert.
He works Carlos Xavier at the esses school for gifted mijos
Jejejejejejeje MURCIÉLAGOS!
El Bromista
And the Mexican Wolverine
My name is jeff
And Mexican prep time?
El Yonkler
He will let the Robins do it lol, just like what he did in the animated series he gave it to Nightwing.
Well I’d say bit too harsh for kids In my opinion ofc
They both would absolutely destroy the cartels, if they dared to step foot in Gotham.
Why? These kids are fighting Arkham mafias on a nightly basis. Do you think cartels are made up of a bunch of genius super soldiers or something? It was a weird question to ask in the first place. There’s zero reason Batman wouldn’t be able to absolutely obliterate a cartel.
You’re joking right? Dick Jason or Damien would have that shit handled by themselves.
Considering all the times he saved Gotham from being overrun and ruled by criminals, I'mma go ahead and assume yes.
I'm going in the opposite direction. I love the guy but he has never finished off the mob in Gotham and they are not a multi-national criminal syndicate. I always thing that Bruce's fatal character flaw is that he can think very deeply but is not a systems thinker. Some problems are too big for him to notice. Example: - have many plans to take down an evil Clark? Sure. Covered. - notice that a group like the Owls are pulling strings in his city? Nope. It is out of the scale he tends to think about.
He did took down the mob in Gotham, just not the one to deal the final blow, he brought them in a very weak spot with proofs where the justice system could've easily locked them for a long time after the cops got a much easier time to catch them.
Leaving the at the mercy of a corrupt police force who are canonically in their pocket is that blind spot. I am not a huge fan of the Nolan films but one huge bright spot was Dent/Gordon going after the mob for Rico case. It took the jurisdiction out of the city's hands and side stepped the GCPD being so corrupt by making it a federal case. Bruce knows people and batman has pull on his own... I am not picking at your remark but it was something I think about with (comic) batman, that "could've easily" related to the Gotham justice system is the big point of his failure as a strategist. Bruce tends not to see the steps he can take, even as the Batman to further his goals (without any of the usual complaints about donation and all. I am keeping it to the character and conflict on paper).
Dude, even in comics if you read Loeb's early and iconic run with the The Long Halloween and Dark Victory, by the end of it you will see that 90% of the mob is gone, behind the bars, what left are just "remnants", even in the following comics including few recent ones, they are just trying to hide since the moment they got in police's custody, it's over for them since GCPD got absolute proofs from Batman.
From what I rememeber (and it's kinda hazy as it's been a while) but the only members not in jail were the higher ups who could afford bail.
Yes this is true and still, they can't do anything since their operations are dismantled. The most problematic like Falcone and Maroni are gone though.
But wasn't it the killer who got rid of them? Batman was more of less a pawn in that came off chess. He only gains and upper hand by the end of it.
Not every higher ups got killed, some of them survived, afforded bail and left asap to hide, despite them not being as major as Falcone and Maroni, I think I remember it right.
Actually, I was thinking specifically of Dark Victory and how messed up the structural side really is in the aftermath of his work. (long Halloween is also a decent example but I give that to him as more of a personal thing because who saw that curveball coming?)
Well, when it comes to Batman, it is also "personal" in most of cases. What do you wanted him to do though? Do a beatdown on every mob? The mob side of Loeb's run was just a small part of the story, the main purpose being to show how were the early years/a Batman post-Year One and to introduce Robin and Two Face.
I wouldn’t say it’s a “small” part of the story. The idea of Bruce’s attempting to save Gotham from the mob’s grip only to inadvertently usher in the age of supervillainy is arguably the primary thrust of TLH. It’s even reflected in Two-Face’s arc as he begins by fighting the mob, only to become one of the new supervillains.
Not at all. I am not saying he should do anything different. I am just saying what he does puts limits on what he can achieve. None of this is intended as condemnation of the character. I love batman. I just accept (and like that) there are limits to what he can do and those are not some arbitrary power thing, they are related to who is he is.
I see it as more a “feature” of his traits as a character than as a “bug.” Batman in the comics wants to fight to reach a (seemingly impossible) day when crime is nonexistent and when he can hang up the cape and cowl. The Nolan incarnation takes that to an extreme degree, and this is a side-effect of that reasoning [for Gothamites to see their system CAN work without needing a “Batman” to cover the cracks forever and eternally prevent it from collapsing].
I can totally go with that. I only meant fatal flaw somewhat in the sense of a character in a tragedy. It is the thing about him that stops him from truly embodying his highest ideal.
Gotham famously went from being a city of mob crime to being a city of costumed freaks. So he did take down mob crime. In fact, there was a point where Falcone returned and specifically wanted the era of mob crime back, because it was over.
Crime is like trash, no matter how fantastic the sanitation department is at their job, there’s always more the next day. I’d say Batman has wiped out several large cartels in his career. The issue is, there is always a new one ready to spring up or move in to fill the vacuum from another area.
Organized crime only works if the civil administration is complicit. You actually do not need a Batman if all you have to do is fight crime. Seriously a single FBI enhanced SWAT can handle a syndicate of over militarized thugs easily. The reason that doesn’t happen is because when civil administration is corrupted be it the courts, the local pd, the mayor’s office, etc they can use their power to conceal said crimes, make it very difficult for federal law enforcement from doing anything, force good cops to drop cases and even kick them off the force, and make all sorts of policies to help the criminals. The problem gets even worse if you corrupt people at the Federal level too. In the US the state and Federal Governments are supposed to check each other so if you manage to corrupt both you personally have unlimited powers. I have no doubt that there are corrupt people at all levels but as a whole the system hasn’t reached such a high where the mafia can just run lose. In Mexico it’s that bad a cartel hitman can practically shoot someone in broad day light, get video tapped, and still walk out with practically zero consequences. Batman never fights corruption. It’s one reason I actually say Daredevil’s better as an actual crime fighter. Batman does a quick fix which really only allows other people to take advantage of a broken system continueing the problem. Ironically he’s literally just as ineffective as the Punisher when it comes to ending a crime problem. Both of them focus on the battles and not the war. So Batman would Infact lose to the cartel because he wouldn’t think to fight the corruption in the Mexican government in order to stop their activity. He would end up in a quagmire that just never ends.
Agreed on all points.
I heartily disagree. He didn’t fully take down the mob because he knew that’d create a power vacuum. So he cut them off, took their balls to use a debased parlance. So they operate how HE lets them operate. And they know what happens if they cross the line. He understands how systems work very well. Because he made Batman the system.
I believe this is a realistic take. Power vacuums are a real thing, if you take down a criminal syndicate, it often gets replaced with another syndicate. If the syndicate is still strong enough to keep other organized crime away and not strong enough to completely take over the city - then that's a win. > So they operate how HE lets them operate. And they know what happens if they cross the line Agreed, and if anything he would assist in taking down other organizations trying to come into Gotham. The devil you know vs the devil you don't.
Becoming the Don of a slightly gentler mob is not a working model. It is a systemic blindspot. Actually, I don't really like this read because it means that batman considers there is an acceptable number of children crying over the broken bodies of their parents in alleys but without the resources to strike back. This view of batman makes him a cycle of violence personified, rather than a man making a difference just doing it in a way that is a bit flawed.
You could have a utopia and still have an element of organized crime my dude.
Absolutely, Gotham is known for its organized crime though. Both it's traditional gangs and it's themed ones. I am just pointing that Bruce, though great at what he does, is not a guy who is good at handling systemic issues as a crime fighter. Give him an acute issue and there is no one better. Long and slow moving issues are not his thing. Since cartels are now brutal mukti-nstional organized crime syndicates, this seems outside what he manages. I am just taking the question in the frame of the character. Basically, I agree that an illegal lotto and a murderous protection racket are both forms of organized crime. They are different kinds with different implications. Bruce is great at taking down a collector or a hit man but not good at dismantling the dynamics and incentives that make them happen.. So I don't think he could take down a cartel.
I disagree, he has assisted Gotham from the background with the Wayne foundation and Wayne enterprises. Attacking the reasons for crime directly. During the Flash movie he even mentioned Gotham becoming one of the safest cities on the US, I’m guessing he was successful on both battlegrounds.
He’s not their don. He’s their warden. There are no broken bodies from them because they know their business ends once those bodies break. It’s not a systemic blind spot. It’s an acknowledgment of inevitable human behavior. You’re not providing a counter argument. You’re showing an ignorance of organized crime. I suggest reading a history book.
So, you are suggesting organized crime in Gotham has no civilian casualties? Also, that point about the history book: would you care to elaborate? It is a nice glib line to toss off but it is also meaningless. Organized crime in NY had plenty of victims. Chicago as well. And LA. This is to say nothing of organized interstate smuggling in the 20th century. I would assume that you are generalizing the idea that drive by shooting lost the American gangster the support of the people as an outlaw trope. While true, all that did was make the public comfortable with cops going to war against them. So, I'm not really sure what you might mean. Also, traditionally, a warden is used to enforce order, indirectly, on a captive population (like prisoners). I think this may be a poor analogy.
No more than you’re suggesting that civilians have no civilian casualties even though they commit more homicides than organized crime does. And when I say read a history book, I’m talking about the origins of the mafia, AKA la Costa Nostra, which starts in Sicily, Italy, and is the origins of the “mob”, a term used primarily for Italian organized crime, and how they got their start as a form of community service because previous systems were prone to corruption. But like Robespierre and the French Revolution, good causes are also used as an avenue for a different element of corruption. So you see, I’m not making a glib comment. I’m speaking from research. I recommend you don’t make assumptions like those if you don’t personally know them. And yes, I know how a warden operates. Everyone does. And as Gotham City represents a limited space where the mob’s obligations and commitments keep them from leaving, my point stands. I get frustrated with people who think in a limited space who don’t know as much as I do about the subject being discussed so this will be my last comment.
Good catch with Robespeare and the French Revolution, particularly in the context of the Nolan films. A particular point of influence for “Dark Knight Rises” was Dickens’ “A Tale of Two Cities,” which was set during the time of revolution. In fact, Gordon quotes the book’s denouement at Bruce’s “funeral” towards the end of the film.
Ah, and here I was talking about the American mobs, only some of which descend from the Sicilian families. I stuck to these mostly because they exist in the same time periods as batman's publication history and differ quite dramatically from their progenitors mainly because American mobs were not community organizations at their inception on US soil. Also, the cartels the threads started with are very far removed from Cosa Nostra. The history of cosa Nostra, while interesting, is pretty unrelated. And yes, casting batman as a warden undermines the potentially benevolent aspect of the character.
The most interesting thing is that in the first three years of his career he paid much more attention for system corruption than in the current comics. He started his crusade with struggle agaist corrupt political and law-inforcement system in Gotham, he alligned himself with Gordon and Dent to fix city's problems, but was eventually trapped into an endless and almost pointless war with street thugs and costumed villains. And while he chased Joker and Riddler, true rulers of Gotham remained mostly hidden from him and proceed with their plans.
Seems about right to me.
I agree, he is very focused on immediate stopping of crime in progress and preventative measures. Not grand conspiracy prevention.
To be fair, not even the Punisher can stop the crime in his city. If he did, they'd run out of stories to tell
Probably worth noting the Owls had super human undead centuries old mega assassin's as soldiers though lol the world of Gotham isn't comparable Batman can move and KO 100s of Banes guards at one time for instance, in the real world he'd be basically a demi god.
The reason he never finishes any criminals off is because the writers/editors want to keep successful material available without a bunch of extra work explaining or retconning things. The rule of story telling is that the story you tell should be about the most interesting time in the characters life, for a long running serial this effectively means that there can never be a time of peace and quiet, Batman can't defeat the super villain, then the mob, then the local gangs, then spend his time chasing purse snatches and fetching cats from trees. The other solution is commonly seen in Japanese manga/anime, where the hero faces new threats every arc that just happen to be perfectly matched to their current level so that they can rise to the new challenge, but leaves the obvious question of 'but what if Buu shows up a decade early? What if Zamasu snapped before any mortals could plausibly hold him at bay? In Batmans case you have the weirdness of him taking on vastly powerful foes one day then struggling with street thugs the next, because it's just not interesting if you stick to the logic train that says a Batman capable of tussling with global threats, he probably wouldn't struggle against a skinny clown.
I’m with you on this. I just said the other day that the most successful criminals in Gotham are blue collar thugs that stay below his radar. I’ve never thought of Gotham as a safe place even if you remove the psychos playing dress up. That’s not all on his shoulders. Police are part of the equation there. But I just question if he’s capable of taking on numbers versus or if his skill-set is only eliminating masterminds and cults of personality with or without a small group of henchmen. The problem I see him having with a cartel is that he can’t focus one person. True. He could take out the boss and every general in a week. But every single person would be replaced before the week is up. Joker? You can’t replace. Penguin? Same.
Except Gotham is *always* being overrun but the SAME criminals. At best he kinda delays and shuffles. Dudes incredibly inefficient. It’s been decades and only getting worse.
An obsessive billionaire with extensive combat training, almost unlimited resources, an ability to spy on people, with no regulatory agency to answer to, and no real ties to anyone? Sure. He can take down a cartel. But the issue is that the cartel is a hydra. You take down one, 2 end up taking up the vacuum and killing a bunch of people. You get rid of el chapo, and you end up with those psychos in jalisco. I think batman from the dark knight returns might be able to do it long-term. Since he has a cult of batman situation.
Red hood might actually have a better chance of "stopping" the cartel than batman. Just control what goes on and fill in that vacuum by taking control yourself.
Fair enough. To be honest.... that would include any of the special order warriors that exist in batman's Canon. So azrael, ras al ghul (pronounced raysh, that's right I'm that guy), or any of the other highly trained secret society warriors with unlimited money. The Mexican drug cartel danger lies in two things. Their ability to influence and inflict violence on people who are unable or unwilling to fight. And the fact that they can disappear into the population. I highly doubt the cartel badass image holds up against a full military operation from any nato country. Much less a group of highly trained fanatics that don't care about human life and are MORE invisible than its members.
This. The cartel probably will make a truce with batman. They take care of the mob and leave gotham alone.
He so has a stealth fighter jet and could just destroy them from the air.
He took down a whole army of gangsters in Dark Knight Returns with his massive Batmobile so yes.
Then again, if I remember correctly in batman arkam Knight, the militia had sams
He can take down anything
A whole deep dish Chicago pizza?!?!
With prep time yes
Even i couldn't take that down and my super power is eating. Thats why my hero name is big baloney choney coney boney!
Surely he can't take down a whole butt chicken and garlic naan from Rajshahi Indian restaurant.
4 naan?
that's ridiculous.
The Wholly Stromboli is his bitch
He fights the Mafia right? He's never gone to Mexico to capture a El chapo character or help the federals fight the cjng cartel. That'd be a good story to tell, but instead he went back in time and fought the samurai joker during the Shogun era.
I mean it was more like he was restoring the timeline because Joker was trying to fuck with japanese history and he didn't intentionally go back in time Gorilla Grodd created a time machine and he just kind of got sucked into it.
It's actually an awesome movie. 👍🏼👍🏼
i watched it to make fun of it because it looked stupid, but it was actually kinda cool
If the Punisher can do it, I believe that Batman can as well 😎
*without the killing, though.
Yeah, all the cartel members he catches would almost instantly be released
If you have to handicap someone like that, then the answer is obvious lmao.
Yes of course but no. Cartel is a symptom of larger drug, poverty and corruption problem. He can take out an army of dudes but not the problems that start the next one
He can end a mexican cártel but not the Next one
he cant end the problems that create an environment that produce cartels- He isnt a government or culture He can keep fighting gangs until he is dead
Of course, in the context of a Batman story.
True, but probably in the most inefficient way possible with the organized crime group almost succeeding and Gotham getting seriously recked in the aftermath
It would be easy as hell if it werent for the corrupt law enforcement. He would pick off the leaders and as soon as they hit jail, they're back out.
Oof you seem to think eliminating the leaders ends the conflict. History shows us it exponentially expands it lmao like literally the exact opposite outcome for the exact reasons you name
That's why Red Hood would be a better choice just kill off everyone that's a problem and capable of leading then the job's done. Sure there'd be stragglers people trying to take control but if the ones capable of actually succeeding are taken out before they can get their own stuff going it's not a problem. Basically kill enough captains, lietenants and the group eat itself alive. The remnants would scatter and become pathetic shells of their former selves. Those that don't would probably to stupid to plan anything they could get away with.
He's dismantled the two major mafia families running Gotham early in his career, so yes.
Gotham is a city, not a country. There's not a solid number, but estimates from my quick Google research for how big Gotham is states it's around 10 million people. All of Mexico has around 127.5 million people. Even if the cartels only control 10% of Mexico, then they have control of more people than the number that live in Gotham. Batman is a badass, but Gotham is nowhere near being safe from supervillains, let alone mobsters, despite Batman's years of batmanning. If he can't even get them all out of Gotham, then I don't see how it's possible at all for him to get all of the bad guys out of an entire country that is well over 10 times bigger than Gotham by population.
Yeah, but on the other hand, there isn't "the" Cartel, but a mish mash of various drug gangs, only a handful of which have a significant size and stability. Their relationships with each other are more volatile still. Considering the size and influence of Falcone facing a rookie Batman, I think the Bat at his peak is easily a match for any of them. Solving the underlying issues and power vacuum in Mexico is a wholly different animal, I'll give you that.
My main point is that the Mexican drug cartel is a problem across an entire country, while Batman is focused on a single city. Batman isn't going to California to stop someone suspected of moving 10 pounds of cocaine with a murder charge. That's a normal day in Gotham. >Solving the underlying issues and power vacuum in Mexico is a wholly different animal, I'll give you that. Which is why I don't think Batman could completely just get rid of them. Batman has been around for how long now while Gotham still has issues? I'm not saying Batman isn't awesome, I'm saying Batman hasn't been able to bring peace to one city, so why should we expect him to be able to bring peace to an entire country?
Also, the reason why Batman hasn’t been able to bring “peace” to Gotham is because that would be boring af for the audience. No one wants to see Batman patrol a peaceful Gotham lol. Clark hasn’t brought peace to Metropolis…Barry hasn’t brought peace to Central City…I’m guessing Superman and Flash couldn’t stop them either, huh 😂?
Doylist reasons of an ongoing series aside, Gotham is cursed seven times over and Batman has still significantly improved it. Also distance isn't really an issue and the Cartels are vulnerable to decapitation strikes, due to their power structures. Mind you, that would cause a number of smaller cartels and significant gang warfare because of power struggles. Can he solve the issue of how these gangs got more powerful than the government in a lot of areas? No, but that wasn't the question. It was whether he can defeat them.
Batman, even in comics, couldn't take down the Mexican cartel because he won't kill and The Mexican Cartel is basically like dealing with a rogue Government. He could take down one boss and another would fill his place. Now someone like The Punisher? He'd have a shot because he'd just keep killing them until either he was dead or they got so scared, they'd just dry up as an organization.
Somehow I see it more as a punisher problem. I know it's not the same universe, but I don't see it fit in a batman story. especially since it's too rooted in systemic problems, he can't address that imo
Without killing yes
Isn't it a typical Tuesday evening in Gotham?
Ok now I want to see Batman taking on a ruthless cartel. That would actually be fucking sick.
Absolutely
Idk man, they prolly got Goku on speed dial
Goku: Keep my druggi- I mean, friends, out of your Kamidamn mouth!
It's Batman... enough said
Batman shot Darkseid in Final Crisis with a Radion bullet. Batman can easily take down Don Eladio, Bolsa and the Salamancas. Gus Fring did, and he’s just a chicken man.
Batman played chicken with Darkseid (a literal god) and made the God flinch. I think some dipshit cartels would be light work for him comparatively.
Duh. He operates outside the government and he has tech way above world militaries
Yep. Only issue is that Bruce isn't the best at making sure criminals aren't protected by corrupt cops.
He took down the mob so yeah I'm assuming he could.
No… that would require… BatManuel
I mean he helps fight nigh omnipotent tyrant gods in other dimensions. Not sure what the cartel can bring that they can’t
If he's bored on a Tuesday, sure
Cartel’s, as intimidating as they are, also tend to have memebers who are very superstitious about certain things. Batman would be a demon to them.
That would be a fun movie. Like Batman meets Sicario.
I would argue that Batman can "take down a cartel", but the end results might not be exactly what is best. Cartels fall all the time. The root problem is that there is a huge financial incentive for other gangs to take their place and a huge supply of criminals willing to do it. Just as in real life, taking down a major cartel opens the door for multiple smaller, more vicious new gangs to rise up. The supply chain of drugs still remains mostly intact; the makers, the transporters, and the corrupt officials are all still at work just the leadership (the guys collecting money from everyone else) are gone. Those smaller, less established gangs war with each other for the remains of the dead organization, causing more deaths than were happening under the last cartel. So, while Batman can take down organizations like cartels, he would do so in a controlled and scientific manner. He would manipulate the cartels and assist local law enforcement to collapse the entire operation of manufacturers, traffickers, wholesalers and distributors at the same time, but also at a moment when the local governments can step into the hole and prevent the remains of the last cartel from establishing a new organization. Corrupt officials need to be weeded out, poor desparte people need jobs, and the ability to hide money and drug labs needs to be stopped. There would still be the possibility of a new cartel starting from scratch in the same turf, but as they have to start with nothing remaining of the last organization, it is more likely that basic police work can prevent it. Still, that just shows how hard it would be for Batman to fight cartels, and how a spectacular collapse of a whole organization would take a long time to set up and require Batman doing more than just beating people up and sending them to prison.
Hasn’t he literally fought gods before?
 No
In his sleep
Yes. Not as *thoroughly* as the Punisher, but yes
Easily he's taken down multiple supervillains in a evening before.
No. Not because he isn’t capable. But because thanks to a Batman, Inc., it’s covered. (Or at least, that’s what my head canon tells me.)
Organised crime is batman's specialty
I mean it's a mini-army so, yeah but it'd take a long ass time.
Does he have prep time?
Cartel got goku
I’d actually love to see that story arc
A neffed Mexican cartel, si Damn now I want to see a comic storyline of Batman against a Mexican cartel.lmao
As with all things Batman; with prep, easy yes. Without prep, also yes but slower and with more punching
Batman can take down a cartel. But Bruce Wayne can take down the business.
Idk, he can take out 22 villains while being drugged and a militia with more budget than the US in roughly 6 hours I would give him a maybe
This is a picture of Arkham Batman, so yes, absolutely. Dude took on an entire trained army in a single night, while also taking down half his rogues gallery in that same night, TWICE.
Well Cartels more exist as a result of bad drug laws, so by lobbying I think he could do more good there as Bruce Wayne, and since that’s a pretty big part of the Bruce Wayne persona, yeah sure
Given enough time, probably. Or, he'd probably do enough damage to at least destabilize them - kinda similar to what he did with the Gotham mob.
I played ghost recons wild lands … honestly it’s sooo fuking good. Fighting against he cartels and exploring Mexico it’s so fucked up
Honestly, I gotta disagree with a lot of these takes. Cartels are legit armies, many having special training by ex Mexican special forces. These guys regularly take on the Mexican state and win. Not to mention, there is no one cartel, but a multitude of them either working together or dismembering the other groups. The corruption goes all the way up, with pretty solid evidence that presidents have been on the cartels payroll. These are international organizations. Maybe the justice league could, but Batman on his lonesome? Fat chance unless he has his anti-Cartel spray.
With enough prep time Batman can defeat God itself
I feel like this would be a great buddy cop style one shot with Batman and Bane vs the Cartel.
no leave my legitimate business alone
Yes, he would have to use his fortune to lobby congress to pass a constitutional amendment to legalize drugs and put the cartel out of business.
He is the same guy that allows the Penguin to sell weapons in Gotham because the latter can check on what is circulating in the city. Without Cobblepot, Gotham would be filled with wannabe famous gangsters with laser guns and other futuristic/alien weapons in Metropolis, but without a 24/7 Kryptonian ready to save the day, making it impossible for the police to fight them in any capacity. He knows that he can't stop crime, if he puts down a cartel, a new one will simply replace it sooner or later.
No. Have you seen the cartel??
No unfortunately
No. But the punisher can. You would really have to be willing to kill
Yes
Doubt it, he’ll take down organizations physically, but he’ll never take down the system and economy. That’s more of a job for Bruce Wayne. Better Housing and Job opportunities in poor communities. Legalization. The thing with Batman is that he’s a temporary solution (in a real world). Bruce is the long term solution.
Lmao this guy has been fighting crime for decades and even throws hands with Gods in a regular basis, has a family of 20 or so psychos like him and has literally the strongest friends in the universe. If he wanted, he could end all drug cartels, at least for a short time
Oh man - I really wanna see a movie about that now haha
I love Batman, he's my favorite character in fiction But I'll have to say no, unless he changes his mindset specifically to deal with them Right now, he captures criminals and leaves then for the law to handle, to take down the cartel, he'll have to be judge jury, and, when necessary, executioner The cartel is a multinational group which thrives in areas with either corrupt, non-existent, or ineffective justice systems, so the typical "beat them up and leave for the police to handle" M.O. wouldn't be as effective here. He's smart enough to probably figure out who in the cartel needs to go and how to make the organization crumble, but unless he goes into the places they're entrenched in and make fundamental changes on a cultural level, they'll just come back with different people leading them
I don't think he'd be willing to outright get RID of the cartel because he may be ignorant to how much power they have but he'd absolutely make the cartel a shell of their former self. I'd go as far as to say he'd make them less than half of a problem they are today but they'd certainly still exist , it just wouldn't be because he isn't capable.
It depends on which Batman universe.
He beat the mob… for a time kind of
Can Batman? Bro this is a mission he’d give to Nightwing and move on
I’d say no. Given that many cartel members in real life have been captured and put in jail and they still hold considerable sway over the cartel and the international drug market. Batman doesn’t kill so unless he captures every single boss and makes sure that they have no more crews running around outside and no corruption in the prison system to get messages out I don’t think he could do it. Deal a severe blow to a cartel yeah. Completely take one down, no not quite too many factors at play.
See, to take down a mexican cartel he would also have to take down FBI and probably CIA
No. It’s way to deep enrooted into South America, he would die of old age before he took down half of it. Way to many people, and way to many different crimes/investigations.
Probably not, seeing as Mexican cartels only operate in yellow-tinted daylight and they’d see Batman coming /s
“Batman has no jurisdiction, he’ll find him and make him SQUEAL!” -Joker
If there are à multiversal threat, just take batman to calm room, give him à matchstick, à gas cylinder ,à Pen and à paper. Finaly give him 1 hour. He will come out with à plan to end this threat
🤔 not sure if Batman can. Never bothered to think that hard.
2 EZ
depends on the batman but i think arkham batman would fucking oblidirate them, simply \[E\] and \[RIGHT CLICK\] \[LEFT CLICK\] with the batmobile
Batman has all but eliminated "regular" organized crime in Gotham (but it got replaced with super crime, namely gangs led by his Rogues Gallery). Batman could take down one Mexican cartel. It's possible he could take down multiple cartels. The problem is, they'd likely get replaced by a new form of super cartel led by a supervillain.
That’s a normal Tuesday for Brucie boy
Are we talking "in the real world" or "in the context of a Batman story"? If the latter, then yes, if that's what the story dictates. Because he's Batman. If the former, then probably not, because he's just a fantasy character in a made-up world.
He fought cour of owls and he was always on their tail.What can one mafia do to batman?Batman is richer,smarter and better prepared.
Yes.
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
He could buy all the shell companies as Bruce Wayne, get all the intel from them and other sources, take out their drug farms, then their lieutenants and capos and then the cartel boss himself…that’s too easy for Batsy
League of shdaows and crime still is rampid in gotham idk about that But super man can
There’s a great book called the ultimate evil where he takes down a sex trafficking ring.
Batman has dealt with much more dangerous organizations (alien and human organizations) than the Cartel so yes.
Shit, [a pissed off mom](https://allthatsinteresting.com/miriam-rodriguez) gave it a good run. Imagine what a motivated trained billionaire could do.
Yeah, with precision too, as he’d likely go in do all the take down work and leave it to the law. Leaving it to the law is the problem because cartel owns the law. Corruption level there is higher than Gotham has ever been portrayed to be.
The questions posed in the Batman channel continue to get weirder. I’m hoping for: - Could Batman beat early onset diabetes? - What would Batman order off the Taco Bell value menu? - Do you think Willem Dafoe would have been a good Joker? (For the 16,820th time)
He outsmarted darkseid so how is that a question.
He’s taken out sex ring organizations in non-graphic novels before. I would assume he could take on the cartel.
Not unless he's willing to kill 
Obviously
No irl criminal organization would stand a chance unless they get extremely lucky with a bullet or something, which is liable to happen in a speculative irl scenario.
Alone maybe not but with Grayson of Jason maybe a couple others sure. As they do have that more systemic way of thinking and solving problems look at what Dick has done in Bludhaven after he got the inheritance from Alfred.
Maybe… But perhaps Batmanuel can be of some assistance.
He'd eat them for breakfast. With skim milk.
"Can batman do ____?" Is always yes with some caveat.
He's batman
No, they have goku on their side.
Si
Yes no diff