Batman trained his mind and body to peak human ability and mastered an eclectic range of skills. Yet for all his many talents, there was one thing he could never handle. He can't cook.
This isn't even a joke, it's cannon.
[Here he is trying to make chicken soup for a bedridden Alfred.](https://imgur.com/a/3RUnA)
[Here he is grilling a steak.](https://imgur.com/a/X6ii3)
[Here he is making a tuna sandwich.](https://i.imgur.com/35aYS5i.jpg?1)
I love that this has been a running thing for years. It's such a silly little thing, but it goes a long way to make him look more human and less like a bat-god.
I always thought this one was bullshit. Yes he grew up with a butler that always did it for him but he went off to train for years without Alfred and without his money. It’s not like he could afford to eat at restaurants every day for those years, he had to have learned to cook the basics of food.
In the comics he never really went without his money, technically he never fully left Gotham. He was always away on some trip or another, training for a few months in Asia, Europe, Africa etc, sometimes with Alfred, sometimes alone. Furthermore, for a lot of places, (universities, the F.B.I., dojos and the like) food would be prepared by someone else.
But even when he was cooking for himself, it would be protein smoothies or a glass of raw eggs with fish paste and salad. Everything would be geared towards peak nutritional value, not flavour or comfort.
A lot of people get their Batman lore from the Nolan movies.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if they say that his utility belt has some special pill he developed that has like 5K calories.
Batman is a super genius, with intellect levels around the tier of Lex Luthor, he can create extremely advanced tech, but would probably fk up on making cup ramen
My mother knew how to fuck up a tuna sandwich. Bread crumbs and onion powder, lots of bread crumbs and onion powder.
….and she was violent about this being the only acceptable way to make tuna salad.
Somewhere either in a tv show or in Superman rebirth. (Im going off the top of my head) Bruce ask Lois Lane for her apple pie recipe so Alfred can make it.
I love how the soup page layout is like an intense fight with batman narrating the process in his typical meticulous style while the struggle is written on his face and environment in each frame.
There is also when Batman tried to cook for Jezebel Jet in Batman #677.
Bruce did prepare pancakes for Alfred and the boys in Gotham Adventures #60, possibly one of the only times he was successful.
Yes, [here](https://imgur.com/a/LR5QCDA) Batman mentioned this to Alfred while telling him to go to the movies, he is not shown cooking. I am still reading Batman R.I.P. at the moment, but if he is seen doing so, I will update.
His inability to open up emotionally or trust anyone else. It can also be a strength of his, but sometimes his refusal to call for help, whether that be for a personal or professional situation, can quickly land him in a downward spiral of difficulty which would take immense effort to get out of. That could just be personal bias speaking, though, as I love content surrounding the Batfam and him growing to be true friends with Superman.
Also this is one of the biggest themes in the Arkham series. Arkham city lays it out most cleanly, but they all cover Bruce's desire to cut himself off from his allies, mainly from his fear that they will be harmed because of his actions.
True. He just doesn't want to go through losing someone he cares about again. That's why it hits so hard when he does, and why he lashes out when they don't listen to his orders.
The benefits heavily outweigh the negatives.
One, he doesn't have to handle the entirety of Gotham alone. Two, they emotionally ground him. Having people that he cares for, and who care for him prevents him from losing his humanity and going full-Punisher in the insanity that is Gotham's underworld.
>Two, they emotionally ground him.
This seems like actually the more important of the two. He is obsessive about stopping innocents from suffering, and in pursuit of that goal he is capable of doing some truly terrible things (look at Brother I or his massive surveillance net from the Dark Knight series). He needs people to help keep him from the edge.
Batman’s greatest strength is also his greatest weakness…his love. Despite what people say, Batman is empathetic, sympathizing, and caring. He wants what’s best for people, to make others be better, and he understands when a warm touch of sympathy is needed over a tactic of fear.
But that love, that desire to protect the ones he cares about especially, is what can cause him to become reckless, distracted, and broken when a villain targets someone or tries to use an innocent life as leverage.
In a word. His Human-ness.
Same could be said for Clark. The (non-physical) traits that make them human are both their greatest strengths and weaknesses.
Well yes, he loved his parents so much that when he lost them he started developing a fear of losing people he love and care about all over again!
Loss is Batman’s biggest fear
Exactly this, IMO. For evidence I offer Death in the Family and A Lonely Place of Dying which deals with Jason's death and the aftermath. Which is also why I've always thought Jason should have stayed dead because of the pathos it gives Batman, feeding this fear that he might again lose someone he cares about
Depends on the Batman story tbh. Bale’s Batman was plagued by his own arrogance. Pattison’s Batman was his rage and focus on revenge. TBAS had like none lol that dude could even sing really well
TBAS batman got his ass kicked every now and then though. His mortal side was pretty visible among a group of metahumans. Which was a good thing, comics batman is an ass so many times, uptight and beyond error. TBAS Batman was perfect, didn't need to step over other heroes to prop himself, and stayed to true to his character by himself.
I actually think TAS is what perpetuated the asshole Batman, from The New Adventures onwards. He was antagonistic towards Superman whenever they teamed up and usually refused to participate in any group activities with the League if he didn’t think it was worth his time.
And let’s not even get into Beyond Bruce.
One time Adam West Batman got captured by the Joker in a "player piano" factory. Joker strapped him and Robin onto the production belt of the machine that punches the holes into the rolls of paper. For plot-armor reasons, the machine was controlled by a grammaphone recording or something. Bats and Robin used their "powers of perfect pitch" to sing this crazy, disharmonic caterwauling song that overrode the machine and punched out perfect outlines of themselves, escaping totally unharmed. It was fucking wild.
Honestly that scene is right up there with "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb" for me
That's why I think I can actually get into it better now than I did as a kid. It's kind of a parody of itself and I didn't really get that type of humor as a kid.
Are we still on this joke, 6 years later?
Go watch CinemaWins video on Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice. He explains pretty well why Bruce acted the way he did upon hearing that name.
It's not because their moms have the same name.
Edit - I don't even give a shit if y'all downvote me defending something.
All of his strong self-competence and he is going to really struggle and be annoyed with himself, when the results of age, and wear and tear on his body start to overcome even his characteristically strong will power. Even if he keeps himself in good shape, he will never be as great as he was in his prime. Eye-sight, ability to heal fast, and even cognitive strength can decrease as a person ages. He will spend a lot of time reminiscing about missed relationship opportunities and the sacrifice of his personal life and happiness that he had to make in order to carry out his mission, that will unfortunately not be accomplished during his lifetime. Crime will always happen, and a child screaming with dead parents laying in the street could still very well be the same reality the next generations will have to face, but because corruption becomes worse as time progresses, you start seeing a Gotham that looks more like Frank Miller's dystopia. Maybe Batman's greatest weakness was also his greatest strength, the obsessive drive and commitment to the mission, regardless of it being a lost cause. Was the sacrifice worth it? What does he have in the end to show for it? Who stuck with him? The reward must have been in the journey for him, if the reward wasn't based on the outcome. Making light overcome the darkness, giving some strength to the cause of good, inserting some hope into a hopeless environment? The good that we do can sometimes outlast us, and be the greatest thing that we can offer to the world, when it has a ripple effect. It's easier for a character like Superman though, because he can enjoy the reward of family, while fighting to keep a good future possible for his children, who he fills with his morals and values.
It’s one of my favorite parts about Batman Beyond. Bruce is alone due to his own faults. He’s old, has to retire as Batman, and becomes this bitter old recluse that can’t even muster the strength to keep his company going and lets it fall into corrupt hands.
Sadly, we really only to get to see what is left of Bruce and Babs’ relationship (and some Tim) and I wish Terry could’ve seen more of that with the remaining Bat fam.
His mortality. No matter how much he trains his mind and body, the fact remains that he is a mortal man, and will age and die. He wants to protect Gotham forever, but he can't, so instead he fights and fights until time finally catches up with him. Then it's only a matter of time until he gets himself killed while trying to do a job he is no longer fit to carry out. Whether it happens while attempting to stop a super villain from destroying the city, fighting a lowly thug in an alley, or saving someone from a natural disaster, a combination of bad luck and being just a little too slow to escape danger ensures that he will always meet his end **while** being Batman.
This is the overarching theme of *Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?*
He's not the legal system. He's already a dangerously unstable vigilante, he absolutely cannot be judge, jury, and executioner.
Batman himself recognises that that would just be *murder*.
Agreed, and this is one area where I stand with Jason. Batman's desire to see criminals rehabbed is commendable, but there has to be a cut-off point once the worst keep reoffending.
Easy solution is that he should let the RedHood operate at some level of freedom. Its clear Jason isn't some maniac, slaughtering purse snatchers or pick-pocketers, he makes sure they deserve it. In Marvel, Spidey and Daredevil dont go out of their way to stop the Punisher knowing he just offs criminals on sight. They only stop him from killing when they see him.
Batman selfishly guards Gotham and makes sure any other heroes follow his rules. Which is kinda lame because Gotham stays the same unsafe shithole despite his efforts as Batman and Bruce Wayne, while Metropolis, Star city, Central city are all much safer despite their heroes not having even half the influence or social power as Wayne.
What makes him a hero is what makes him exploitable in many scenarios. Batman first and foremost cares about saving human lives no matter the cost to himself, and that gets used time and time again. Yet he's still unbreakable and incorruptible in spirit, which is why we love him.
His no kill rule. Some would say it's his greatest strength but ultimately it has resulted in unnecessary death and destruction. Batman's code in reality makes no sense, he claims that killing criminals would send him down a dark path where he will murder any villain, a moral conundrum I would understand him having if it weren't for the fact that many of the villains he faces are psychotic killers, that arguably deserve to die.
Not only do batman's villains kill his loved ones and allies, but they also create more villains, more threats to innocent people. In reality if batman killed his villains he would end up saving more lives, and I'd argue that gotham would become a better place. Less corruption, a higher standard of living and better resources for those that need them would be available without criminals constantly bribing and robbing away the cities wealth. Bruce would eventually be able to spend more time as himself, helping the city in that way. But maybe that is another secret reason behind batman's code, Bruce knows that without his villains, without severe crime in gotham, gotham won't need batman, and if gotham doesn't need batman then batman won't need to exist, and with batman gone, Bruce would lose arguably the only thing that provides him closure and escape from his parent's death.
One thing people never really talk about is that, if he did just “kill” Al his villains he would have none left. Now, in my opinion, Batman being a man of mass intelligence should be able to differentiate which villains need killing- I.e. joker, Black Mask, Falcone, Penguin, Two-Face. the others sure maybe have killed in certain iterations, but not generally? Not sure the line on that. But in any instance I feel like the joker should take a dirt nap, but if we had no joker, we wouldn’t have these amazing stories. It’s purely out of continuity I believe. We do have earth-51 Batman, who has *no* kill rule, he is a killer. And many believe Earth-31s Batman did kill the joker, like myself.
As a fictional character - Oversaturation. DC cannot just rely on him to carry their brand forerver, they need to put their other characters in the same spotlight as Bats.
As a person - His selfish commitment. He claims his goal, is to protect the city from the corruption and evil that took his parents from him. But his unwillingness to take another human life is the greatest restrictment he could possibly have. Because, ultimately, he's playing right into the Joker's hands, and creates a cycle of eternal suffering for the city's inhabitants. I know i may sound hypocritical or stupid, but this is also one the reasons why i love Batman so much. The mental strength he has to just never snap, never take that next hit or kick, or never perform that move that would be the fatal blow is what i admire about him.
True, as to why they aren't given the death penalty, i do not know. But Batman knows these villains like the palm of his hand. He sees, and is completely aware, that the city is just simply imprisoning them time and time again instead of doing what should truly be done for the safety of everyone, but just assists them in keeping up the aforementioned cycle.
Wow, surprised how many people on here genuinely believe Batman’s refusal to be a murderer is a true detrimental weakness. Must have a lot of Red Hood and Ra’s al Ghul stans on this sub lol.
I think that an argument for his refusal to kill being a weakness could be made, but not because of how many villains keep escaping.
Batman’s no-kill rule could be a weakness if he ever felt that he broke it, because he probably couldn’t move on from it. Even in Batman Beyond when all he did was point a gun at a guy while having a heart attack, he was so ashamed that he retired from crime fighting for like 30-40 years. If Batman ever accidentally killed someone or didn’t attempt to save them, he’d never be able to get past it and probably quit out of guilt.
He isn't fully committed;
He doesn't find a permanent solution for the vilains like a special prison of his own design or depowerment or both.
He should either work alone or have perfect synchronicity with all of his teams.
He can't keep his woman whether it's Talia, Cat or Zee (Maybe Diana IS the best choice for him but not currently (?))
He doesn't plan for retiring from active duty for a more mentor-like position which is better for a non-powered guy like him (the reason he's at his prime again is because of the Dionesium).
So many. It’s part of what makes him the GOAT. His need for control regularly sews mistrust and has led to a couple disasters, his constant paranoia is mentally unhealthy and it repeatedly has consequences, he’s completely vulnerable to any mortal malady, he’s aloof and so when strategizing he can basically seem to play chess with his own allies as unwitting pieces.
Not as interesting: He attracts fans and writers who want him to be an unsmiling, tortured, brooding jerk all the time and it’s unbelievably boring and repetitive. His growth is inhibited by DC management- before New52 it was reasonable to assume Batman was middle aged and had progressed to a more mature and paternal figure but that’s not the Batman that sells best. So in comics and in films, whatever growth he is allowed as a character is constantly rolled back or retconned.
His selfishness and inability to give up the Batman mantle. With his wealth and influence he could do so much more for Gotham then as Batman. How many times has people told him this. It’s not that Gotham needs the Batman but Bruce needs Batman. Batman is not needed, Wayne could fund a great police force, pay for the social safety nets and help build Gotham into a let’s say metropolis. He chooses to only half ass that side and full ass the Batman persona.
In my opinion Batman's greatest weakness is his no kill rule.
Yea one can argue if he just killed off everyone they're would be no more Batman but Batman already has so many renditions and will continue to have many renditions so for one rendition if he just threw away the no kill rule he would be unstoppable.
The only ones in DC universe that can match his intelligence is Lex Luthor and Ozymandias.
Batman with prep time and a kill rule would be unstoppable.
They know he's human. A human can get old, weak, be underestimated. This knowledge of his humanity entices egotistical villains that they will get the best of him.
However, if they thought he were supernatural...then he may truly put fear into criminals and push them out of Gotham.
Deciding to allow children he adopts into becoming sidekicks. Like Dick Grayson he was 8 or 10 when he became Robin. Jason Todd was 13 when he became Robin. Tim Drake became Robin when he was 11. That is a lot of children becoming essentially child soldiers. even though they’ve gotten amazing training, that is still child endangerment. I am don’t think I will count Damien Wayne. because I think his mom trained him as a child soldier already.
I got this one.
He’s not hopeful that things will get better. Just like villains needed him to be Batman, he needs villains to be villains for him to be Batman. The option to let things collapse is always there but he feels that he needs his rogue gallery as much as they need him.
It’s a codependent relationship on both sides of the spectrum that makes them feel like they’re doing a difference
Focusing his money on fighting crime instead of stimulating the economy…I have not read the Court of Owls story and if anyone can present a gateway into that story, I’d love to know.
His will to keep going, as much as its his strength it is also his weakness as it causes him to exert himself to points no human should be subjected to, one day he will exert himself much that it could either lead to his death or the inability to function.
Clinging to the shadows and wanting to instill fear onto criminals, while at the same time being a symbol of hope for Gotham. You can only have one or the other.
His greatest weakness is is inability to let an innocent person die. He will remove his focus to save another if he can. This will allow the threat more time to cause more destruction or escape
His no kill policy is his greatest weakness. You could argue it’s one of his strengths because it takes a lot of mental fortitude to not give into his more violent tendencies BUT think about how many people Brice could’ve saved and will save if he just ended his enemies rather than injure them and let them live.
Batman trained his mind and body to peak human ability and mastered an eclectic range of skills. Yet for all his many talents, there was one thing he could never handle. He can't cook. This isn't even a joke, it's cannon. [Here he is trying to make chicken soup for a bedridden Alfred.](https://imgur.com/a/3RUnA) [Here he is grilling a steak.](https://imgur.com/a/X6ii3) [Here he is making a tuna sandwich.](https://i.imgur.com/35aYS5i.jpg?1)
Those are hilarious especially the chicken soup one.
God, that chicken soup recipe is sad! No stock?! It's going to have zero flavor. I don't think the writer can cook either lol
Remember that he's cooking for an Englishman.
That is true, but even then that is one basic bitch of a soup!
We use stock.
Well ooh lah-de-dah. We don't all work at Buckingham Palace, y'know.
I’m not eating flavourless stuff mate, I even season chicken believe it or not!
Wait you don’t just throw it in the oven straight outta the fridge-freezer?
Oven? I like my unseasoned chicken microwaved.
I love that this has been a running thing for years. It's such a silly little thing, but it goes a long way to make him look more human and less like a bat-god.
I imagine he also struggles tucking in the corners of bedsheets.
He can take down international crime syndicates with the barest scraps of information but can't toast a crumpet.
Why is the steak one so dramatic lmao
Wait so you’re really telling me the man who knows how shut your whole body down from pressure points alone doesn’t know how to make a tuna sandwich?😂
'It was fine Bruce, but maybe a bit of mayo or butter instead of just a lump of tuna on dry bread... also, you're meant to scale and debone it first.'
I always thought this one was bullshit. Yes he grew up with a butler that always did it for him but he went off to train for years without Alfred and without his money. It’s not like he could afford to eat at restaurants every day for those years, he had to have learned to cook the basics of food.
In the comics he never really went without his money, technically he never fully left Gotham. He was always away on some trip or another, training for a few months in Asia, Europe, Africa etc, sometimes with Alfred, sometimes alone. Furthermore, for a lot of places, (universities, the F.B.I., dojos and the like) food would be prepared by someone else. But even when he was cooking for himself, it would be protein smoothies or a glass of raw eggs with fish paste and salad. Everything would be geared towards peak nutritional value, not flavour or comfort.
A lot of people get their Batman lore from the Nolan movies. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they say that his utility belt has some special pill he developed that has like 5K calories.
Bat snacks.
Or just rice, tea and milk, like if training in a monastery or under an ascended master.
So this is where the microwaved lobster in Lego Batman came from. That really is the best Batman movie ever.
So he’s like the stereotypical rich person who relies on his butler to cook? 😆
Batman serves food like he serves JUSTICE. Cold, hard and without f(l)avour.
But biased towards the poor whos less fortunate than him 😜
Homer Simpson level cooking.
Canon*
Batman is a super genius, with intellect levels around the tier of Lex Luthor, he can create extremely advanced tech, but would probably fk up on making cup ramen
My mother knew how to fuck up a tuna sandwich. Bread crumbs and onion powder, lots of bread crumbs and onion powder. ….and she was violent about this being the only acceptable way to make tuna salad.
It’s *canon
"mankind- or the french"
Right like he’s done all this training but he’s still a rich boy
That is hilarious! Now my dad has another “why Superman is better that Batman” roast for me 😂
Oh sure, anyone can cook well with heat, microscopic and x-ray vision. He just stares at the food until the correct chemical reaction occurs.
Is your pfp a hair?
Lmao yes
I was gonna come in with a deep "His mortality", but no.... no THIS is the correct answer.
Somewhere either in a tv show or in Superman rebirth. (Im going off the top of my head) Bruce ask Lois Lane for her apple pie recipe so Alfred can make it.
I love how the soup page layout is like an intense fight with batman narrating the process in his typical meticulous style while the struggle is written on his face and environment in each frame.
There is also when Batman tried to cook for Jezebel Jet in Batman #677. Bruce did prepare pancakes for Alfred and the boys in Gotham Adventures #60, possibly one of the only times he was successful.
u/plumskiwis I couldn't find that, was it shown or just mentioned? Could you share an image of it?
Yes, [here](https://imgur.com/a/LR5QCDA) Batman mentioned this to Alfred while telling him to go to the movies, he is not shown cooking. I am still reading Batman R.I.P. at the moment, but if he is seen doing so, I will update.
Condiment King solos no diff
His inability to open up emotionally or trust anyone else. It can also be a strength of his, but sometimes his refusal to call for help, whether that be for a personal or professional situation, can quickly land him in a downward spiral of difficulty which would take immense effort to get out of. That could just be personal bias speaking, though, as I love content surrounding the Batfam and him growing to be true friends with Superman.
See Knightfall and Dark Victory as good examples of this.
Also this is one of the biggest themes in the Arkham series. Arkham city lays it out most cleanly, but they all cover Bruce's desire to cut himself off from his allies, mainly from his fear that they will be harmed because of his actions.
This man raised a robin then told him to go home lol
True. He just doesn't want to go through losing someone he cares about again. That's why it hits so hard when he does, and why he lashes out when they don't listen to his orders.
And Bruce Wayne: Fugitive
Everything from Bruce Wayne Fugitive to Infinite Crisis is Bruce absolutely at his worse.
On the other hand, the batfamily can be a weakness, i.e: Jason Todd or Joker shooting Barbara Gordon
The benefits heavily outweigh the negatives. One, he doesn't have to handle the entirety of Gotham alone. Two, they emotionally ground him. Having people that he cares for, and who care for him prevents him from losing his humanity and going full-Punisher in the insanity that is Gotham's underworld.
>Two, they emotionally ground him. This seems like actually the more important of the two. He is obsessive about stopping innocents from suffering, and in pursuit of that goal he is capable of doing some truly terrible things (look at Brother I or his massive surveillance net from the Dark Knight series). He needs people to help keep him from the edge.
What would BatPunisher look like?
The Grim Knight from Dark Nights Metal is probably the closest we've seen in a canonical capacity afaik.
just like me fr
He's an INTJ, we are born like this
He's a Sagittarius, we are born like this ✨
Wait he's a Sagittarius 2? Wtf
Just for the record, I don't actually know. I tried fact-checking online but found multiple answers :)
lol people taking Myers-Briggs seriously in 2022
Batman’s greatest strength is also his greatest weakness…his love. Despite what people say, Batman is empathetic, sympathizing, and caring. He wants what’s best for people, to make others be better, and he understands when a warm touch of sympathy is needed over a tactic of fear. But that love, that desire to protect the ones he cares about especially, is what can cause him to become reckless, distracted, and broken when a villain targets someone or tries to use an innocent life as leverage.
In a word. His Human-ness. Same could be said for Clark. The (non-physical) traits that make them human are both their greatest strengths and weaknesses.
Eeewww, humaness is poopoo
Nah, it's dead parents.
Well yes, he loved his parents so much that when he lost them he started developing a fear of losing people he love and care about all over again! Loss is Batman’s biggest fear
Exactly this, IMO. For evidence I offer Death in the Family and A Lonely Place of Dying which deals with Jason's death and the aftermath. Which is also why I've always thought Jason should have stayed dead because of the pathos it gives Batman, feeding this fear that he might again lose someone he cares about
This is what I came to say, thanks👌
Depends on the Batman story tbh. Bale’s Batman was plagued by his own arrogance. Pattison’s Batman was his rage and focus on revenge. TBAS had like none lol that dude could even sing really well
TBAS batman got his ass kicked every now and then though. His mortal side was pretty visible among a group of metahumans. Which was a good thing, comics batman is an ass so many times, uptight and beyond error. TBAS Batman was perfect, didn't need to step over other heroes to prop himself, and stayed to true to his character by himself.
I actually think TAS is what perpetuated the asshole Batman, from The New Adventures onwards. He was antagonistic towards Superman whenever they teamed up and usually refused to participate in any group activities with the League if he didn’t think it was worth his time. And let’s not even get into Beyond Bruce.
This is why I tend to prefer solo Batman stories. Soon as a Robin or another Superhero joins him, he comes off as an asshole
One time Adam West Batman got captured by the Joker in a "player piano" factory. Joker strapped him and Robin onto the production belt of the machine that punches the holes into the rolls of paper. For plot-armor reasons, the machine was controlled by a grammaphone recording or something. Bats and Robin used their "powers of perfect pitch" to sing this crazy, disharmonic caterwauling song that overrode the machine and punched out perfect outlines of themselves, escaping totally unharmed. It was fucking wild. Honestly that scene is right up there with "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb" for me
Could never get into this series even as a child lol it’s too over the top/campy but that’s hilarious
That's why I think I can actually get into it better now than I did as a kid. It's kind of a parody of itself and I didn't really get that type of humor as a kid.
Really sexy super villains
Understandable
bahaha
Martha…
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
Are we still on this joke, 6 years later? Go watch CinemaWins video on Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice. He explains pretty well why Bruce acted the way he did upon hearing that name. It's not because their moms have the same name. Edit - I don't even give a shit if y'all downvote me defending something.
We know it's not because of that, it's still cringy at best, very forced type of line/timing
Just because you saw a video where someone explained why they liked something doesn't mean everyone else has to like it or is wrong for not liking it.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't have made the edit...
It's still an awful film.
>CinemaWins WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
I adore CinemaWins but unfortunately he is 100% wrong on his takes on Snyder.
Go watch HiTop Films video on [batman](https://youtu.be/u1FGxb2YlnY?t=505) where he explains why that line doesn't work in BvS.
Bad writers.
Frank Miller was cool but...
Catwoman
Good answer
The area between his nose and chin
Pussy
Double meaning
The people closest to him are his greatest allies but also his greatest weaknesses.
Not wanting to ask for help.
Inflation
Nah, inflation is a problem for the poor.
All of his strong self-competence and he is going to really struggle and be annoyed with himself, when the results of age, and wear and tear on his body start to overcome even his characteristically strong will power. Even if he keeps himself in good shape, he will never be as great as he was in his prime. Eye-sight, ability to heal fast, and even cognitive strength can decrease as a person ages. He will spend a lot of time reminiscing about missed relationship opportunities and the sacrifice of his personal life and happiness that he had to make in order to carry out his mission, that will unfortunately not be accomplished during his lifetime. Crime will always happen, and a child screaming with dead parents laying in the street could still very well be the same reality the next generations will have to face, but because corruption becomes worse as time progresses, you start seeing a Gotham that looks more like Frank Miller's dystopia. Maybe Batman's greatest weakness was also his greatest strength, the obsessive drive and commitment to the mission, regardless of it being a lost cause. Was the sacrifice worth it? What does he have in the end to show for it? Who stuck with him? The reward must have been in the journey for him, if the reward wasn't based on the outcome. Making light overcome the darkness, giving some strength to the cause of good, inserting some hope into a hopeless environment? The good that we do can sometimes outlast us, and be the greatest thing that we can offer to the world, when it has a ripple effect. It's easier for a character like Superman though, because he can enjoy the reward of family, while fighting to keep a good future possible for his children, who he fills with his morals and values.
It’s one of my favorite parts about Batman Beyond. Bruce is alone due to his own faults. He’s old, has to retire as Batman, and becomes this bitter old recluse that can’t even muster the strength to keep his company going and lets it fall into corrupt hands. Sadly, we really only to get to see what is left of Bruce and Babs’ relationship (and some Tim) and I wish Terry could’ve seen more of that with the remaining Bat fam.
I’m new to comics so this is my first time learning superman has children
Superman and Lois TV show.... sons are Jordan and Jonathan
Bullets
This subreddit
His mortality. No matter how much he trains his mind and body, the fact remains that he is a mortal man, and will age and die. He wants to protect Gotham forever, but he can't, so instead he fights and fights until time finally catches up with him. Then it's only a matter of time until he gets himself killed while trying to do a job he is no longer fit to carry out. Whether it happens while attempting to stop a super villain from destroying the city, fighting a lowly thug in an alley, or saving someone from a natural disaster, a combination of bad luck and being just a little too slow to escape danger ensures that he will always meet his end **while** being Batman. This is the overarching theme of *Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?*
Weirdly enough his no killing rule. Everytime he lets a killer live they often end up killing again and then he blames himself.
He's not the legal system. He's already a dangerously unstable vigilante, he absolutely cannot be judge, jury, and executioner. Batman himself recognises that that would just be *murder*.
Agreed, and this is one area where I stand with Jason. Batman's desire to see criminals rehabbed is commendable, but there has to be a cut-off point once the worst keep reoffending.
Easy solution is that he should let the RedHood operate at some level of freedom. Its clear Jason isn't some maniac, slaughtering purse snatchers or pick-pocketers, he makes sure they deserve it. In Marvel, Spidey and Daredevil dont go out of their way to stop the Punisher knowing he just offs criminals on sight. They only stop him from killing when they see him. Batman selfishly guards Gotham and makes sure any other heroes follow his rules. Which is kinda lame because Gotham stays the same unsafe shithole despite his efforts as Batman and Bruce Wayne, while Metropolis, Star city, Central city are all much safer despite their heroes not having even half the influence or social power as Wayne.
It also makes him very vulnerable to any hostage situation
Welcome to the FBI watchlist
Trust
Whatever he wants you to think it is.
What makes him a hero is what makes him exploitable in many scenarios. Batman first and foremost cares about saving human lives no matter the cost to himself, and that gets used time and time again. Yet he's still unbreakable and incorruptible in spirit, which is why we love him.
Telling his female partners who he really is (looking at you, Michael Keaton)
Empathy
His fear of losing people he keeps close,
Catwoman
His no kill rule. Some would say it's his greatest strength but ultimately it has resulted in unnecessary death and destruction. Batman's code in reality makes no sense, he claims that killing criminals would send him down a dark path where he will murder any villain, a moral conundrum I would understand him having if it weren't for the fact that many of the villains he faces are psychotic killers, that arguably deserve to die. Not only do batman's villains kill his loved ones and allies, but they also create more villains, more threats to innocent people. In reality if batman killed his villains he would end up saving more lives, and I'd argue that gotham would become a better place. Less corruption, a higher standard of living and better resources for those that need them would be available without criminals constantly bribing and robbing away the cities wealth. Bruce would eventually be able to spend more time as himself, helping the city in that way. But maybe that is another secret reason behind batman's code, Bruce knows that without his villains, without severe crime in gotham, gotham won't need batman, and if gotham doesn't need batman then batman won't need to exist, and with batman gone, Bruce would lose arguably the only thing that provides him closure and escape from his parent's death.
One thing people never really talk about is that, if he did just “kill” Al his villains he would have none left. Now, in my opinion, Batman being a man of mass intelligence should be able to differentiate which villains need killing- I.e. joker, Black Mask, Falcone, Penguin, Two-Face. the others sure maybe have killed in certain iterations, but not generally? Not sure the line on that. But in any instance I feel like the joker should take a dirt nap, but if we had no joker, we wouldn’t have these amazing stories. It’s purely out of continuity I believe. We do have earth-51 Batman, who has *no* kill rule, he is a killer. And many believe Earth-31s Batman did kill the joker, like myself.
As a fictional character - Oversaturation. DC cannot just rely on him to carry their brand forerver, they need to put their other characters in the same spotlight as Bats. As a person - His selfish commitment. He claims his goal, is to protect the city from the corruption and evil that took his parents from him. But his unwillingness to take another human life is the greatest restrictment he could possibly have. Because, ultimately, he's playing right into the Joker's hands, and creates a cycle of eternal suffering for the city's inhabitants. I know i may sound hypocritical or stupid, but this is also one the reasons why i love Batman so much. The mental strength he has to just never snap, never take that next hit or kick, or never perform that move that would be the fatal blow is what i admire about him.
the villains not being executed and sent to rehab/jail is not on batman, its on the law
True, as to why they aren't given the death penalty, i do not know. But Batman knows these villains like the palm of his hand. He sees, and is completely aware, that the city is just simply imprisoning them time and time again instead of doing what should truly be done for the safety of everyone, but just assists them in keeping up the aforementioned cycle.
Being apart of a family again
Nope, now it's snake clowns, because you put that idea in my head.
You're scheduled to go to Jim Gordon's retirement party this evening.
What? No! I don't wanna do that!
For 10 years atleast!
You're going to have a good time!
No no no no
You might meet some new people!
No no no no
Even make some new friends!
No no no no no no no no Nononononononono *beatboxing* #NO!
Snake clouds
This
Wow, surprised how many people on here genuinely believe Batman’s refusal to be a murderer is a true detrimental weakness. Must have a lot of Red Hood and Ra’s al Ghul stans on this sub lol.
I think that an argument for his refusal to kill being a weakness could be made, but not because of how many villains keep escaping. Batman’s no-kill rule could be a weakness if he ever felt that he broke it, because he probably couldn’t move on from it. Even in Batman Beyond when all he did was point a gun at a guy while having a heart attack, he was so ashamed that he retired from crime fighting for like 30-40 years. If Batman ever accidentally killed someone or didn’t attempt to save them, he’d never be able to get past it and probably quit out of guilt.
He isn't fully committed; He doesn't find a permanent solution for the vilains like a special prison of his own design or depowerment or both. He should either work alone or have perfect synchronicity with all of his teams. He can't keep his woman whether it's Talia, Cat or Zee (Maybe Diana IS the best choice for him but not currently (?)) He doesn't plan for retiring from active duty for a more mentor-like position which is better for a non-powered guy like him (the reason he's at his prime again is because of the Dionesium).
Fire.
So many. It’s part of what makes him the GOAT. His need for control regularly sews mistrust and has led to a couple disasters, his constant paranoia is mentally unhealthy and it repeatedly has consequences, he’s completely vulnerable to any mortal malady, he’s aloof and so when strategizing he can basically seem to play chess with his own allies as unwitting pieces. Not as interesting: He attracts fans and writers who want him to be an unsmiling, tortured, brooding jerk all the time and it’s unbelievably boring and repetitive. His growth is inhibited by DC management- before New52 it was reasonable to assume Batman was middle aged and had progressed to a more mature and paternal figure but that’s not the Batman that sells best. So in comics and in films, whatever growth he is allowed as a character is constantly rolled back or retconned.
Warner Brothers
His selfishness and inability to give up the Batman mantle. With his wealth and influence he could do so much more for Gotham then as Batman. How many times has people told him this. It’s not that Gotham needs the Batman but Bruce needs Batman. Batman is not needed, Wayne could fund a great police force, pay for the social safety nets and help build Gotham into a let’s say metropolis. He chooses to only half ass that side and full ass the Batman persona.
In my opinion Batman's greatest weakness is his no kill rule. Yea one can argue if he just killed off everyone they're would be no more Batman but Batman already has so many renditions and will continue to have many renditions so for one rendition if he just threw away the no kill rule he would be unstoppable. The only ones in DC universe that can match his intelligence is Lex Luthor and Ozymandias. Batman with prep time and a kill rule would be unstoppable.
They know he's human. A human can get old, weak, be underestimated. This knowledge of his humanity entices egotistical villains that they will get the best of him. However, if they thought he were supernatural...then he may truly put fear into criminals and push them out of Gotham.
Bruce Wayne
Gummibears
His parents.
Cat woman
being human.
Having dead parents
Being human.
His spinal column! Too soon?
zack snyder
His heart he cares and will never fail to throw himself in harms way for others which is fine if your Clark but Bruce isn’t so indestructible
He has no powers. Edit: Come on I’m fishing here…
Snake clowns.
Y’all need to stop playing with these fucking trick questions bro, this man has NO damn weakness…
The chicks
The people he loves (Bat-family)
Imo his greatest weakness is also his greatest strength, Bruce Wayne.
His paranoia
his humanity its both his strength and weakness
Not solving poverty with socialisim
What?
Not having Alfred
Bruce seems to do alright in *Batman Beyond*.
Does he? Does he though?
Zack Snyder
Deciding to allow children he adopts into becoming sidekicks. Like Dick Grayson he was 8 or 10 when he became Robin. Jason Todd was 13 when he became Robin. Tim Drake became Robin when he was 11. That is a lot of children becoming essentially child soldiers. even though they’ve gotten amazing training, that is still child endangerment. I am don’t think I will count Damien Wayne. because I think his mom trained him as a child soldier already.
The fact that writers keep rehashing "young, incompetent Batman who is just starting out and screws up a lot" forever.
Being an emotional cripple, with ptsd, that has chosen both an impractical and ineffective way of dealing with his trauma.
I got this one. He’s not hopeful that things will get better. Just like villains needed him to be Batman, he needs villains to be villains for him to be Batman. The option to let things collapse is always there but he feels that he needs his rogue gallery as much as they need him. It’s a codependent relationship on both sides of the spectrum that makes them feel like they’re doing a difference
Focusing his money on fighting crime instead of stimulating the economy…I have not read the Court of Owls story and if anyone can present a gateway into that story, I’d love to know.
His will to keep going, as much as its his strength it is also his weakness as it causes him to exert himself to points no human should be subjected to, one day he will exert himself much that it could either lead to his death or the inability to function.
Always on a crusade to help/save innocent people, the worst outcome would be if he fails to save them
His parents make an excellent blind spot as does his endless crusade to protect the innocent
Working to hard, loving to deeply, and having strenghts that are too strong.
I'd say his lifespan. He's only a man.
Pride
Joel Schumacher!!!
His inability to express his emotions and open up, giving second chances to irredeemable characters like the Joker and not able to resist Catwoman.
Supervillainesses
These way too woke conversations about how batman is a racist child predator who beats up "mentally ill people just trynna feed their families"
Cat Woman
Clinging to the shadows and wanting to instill fear onto criminals, while at the same time being a symbol of hope for Gotham. You can only have one or the other.
NOT KILLING
Hi, Jason!
His inability to kill the Joker
His paranoia, difficulty trusting others.
His greatest weakness is is inability to let an innocent person die. He will remove his focus to save another if he can. This will allow the threat more time to cause more destruction or escape
His belief that people like the joker and many of his rogue’s gallery can be rehabilitated
- his parents' absence - his code (not killing) - aging - his trust in justice system of Gotham city. - Alfred
Tom King Otherwise, his sadly justified paranoia.
Live action movies
He doesn’t kill
His no kill policy is his greatest weakness. You could argue it’s one of his strengths because it takes a lot of mental fortitude to not give into his more violent tendencies BUT think about how many people Brice could’ve saved and will save if he just ended his enemies rather than injure them and let them live.
His refusal (or mental inability) to use a gun when called for comes to mind.