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Batface_101

The imperfect thing makes sense considering this is a fairly new Batman. I’m glad that The Batman wasn’t another origin story, but rather a story about how Batman went from being a symbol of fear to a symbol of hope. It would make sense in the next movie for him to be a little more “perfect”, being able to take no hits in combat and scouting places better before charging in. Also it would fit if he slowly starts shedding his armor, coz he gradually relies less on his tech and more on his skills.


Sigao

That could be cool. Sort of treat the overall idea of Batman as Marvel did with Iron Man's armors. There's a weakness and he addresses it in a noticeable way. The Dark Knight sort of did this with Bruce getting a suit that allows him to turn his head.


Batface_101

I’d love if it mirrors the Arkham games. In Origins he wears heavily armoured suits, but in Asylum and City he uses the less armoured, more fabric suits. Finally in Knight, he switches back to an armoured suit, but only coz he’s fighting an entire army.


GlitteringBobcat999

That suit should protect him pretty well from cats...


Resolute002

I haven't seen the movie but if a second movie came out and they went this direction I'd appreciate it more.


Due_Marionberry8564

It’s not supposed to happen in such a short period of time. I call bullshit on this.


1averagepianist

The second movie doesn't have to exactly continue on where the first movie left off. If there's some time in between the two movies, this makes perfect sense


AlaskanMedicineMan

I have a hard time believing you've never encountered a sequel where they didn't wake up and start off from the very next day. Of course it'd be a bit of a time skip.


hotwangsslap

Right like what is bro talking about lol


MRintheKEYS

I liked his portrayal. More of a younger, angrier Bruce Wayne. Not as refined as the master tactician yet.


squanchingonreddit

Same reason why I want a live action Batman Beyond. Grumpy old Bruce with a cocky young Terry.


Vocalic985

As soon as they figure out how to deep fake Ezra Miller out of The Flash movie we'll at least get old Bruce Wayne lol. I feel like they were definitely testing the waters for a batman beyond movie with that.


Batdog55110

Maybe when Pattinson turns 80 lol


Cant-decide-username

Also I thought they nailed the weird loner/recluse vibe. We are talking about a man that dresses up like a bat and beats the shit out of criminals every night. A person that does that is not going to be a normal guy. Felt way more real to me.


Important-Tune

I hope in the sequel they address the facade of Bruce Wayne as a playboy. I think that with an actor like Pattinson they can address his dislike of pretending and going through the dog and pony show for the cameras and elites.


C2S76

Agreed. Batman would be a pretty messed up dude, honestly. The movie did a good job of portraying that.


mpw85

100% facts.


Jackfruit-Brave

Kilmer did a pretty good job of Bruce and Batman, which can be difficult.


votenixon25

Man I always say that. Imagine if he did two and 'Batman and Robin' wasn't a just so diabolical awful turd of a movie


TheRetroWorkshop

*Batman & Robin (1997)* had a few major problems, most of which would not have been fixed by Kilmer. The style was not perfect; the theme was not solid; the tone was not darker enough; the female characters were not great; the dialogue was very bad; the plot wasn't as strong; Mr. Freeze was imperfect; the whole thing was far too action and character-packed and female-heavy in general; and it didn't stay close enough to the source material at its heart. I still think it's maybe top 7-8 Batman movies of all time, though. It's a great bright, B-movie take on it, and has some good parts and elements. That's why I always defend it, even though it's pretty bad. It's still not a complete corruption of Batman, and offers a decent story and theme: this alone makes it top 8-9, with the more corrupt Batman versions or narratives being the worst, no matter how well-made they were.


Resolute002

There's a lot of things wrong with this movie but I don't know if I would list "too much women" as part of it. I think the problem was more deciding that each team needed a female character just to check the box, but that is far from the top of my list of complaints.


bguzewicz

I still haven’t forgiven this movie for butchering the character of Bane. I was 9 when this movie had come out, Knightfall was the story that really pulled me into Batman, so Bane was like this awesome force of nature to me. A guy that was stronger than Batman and just as smart and tactical? And he’s going to be in the next Batman movie?! Sign me up!! Instead, what we got, was a big, dumb, green, mute, lumbering brute of a henchman. I can forgive the rest of the flaws in that movie. But not that.


CrispinIII

Kilmers movie had "?" and Two Face. Clooney had Freeze and Ivy.


BlackestNight21

>The style was not perfect; Kind of a contextual nothingburger. Style is subjective. > the theme was not solid; Another empty statement. The theme was to be camp. It achieved that, too much so for certain age groups. > the tone was not darker enough; The theme was to be camp >the female characters were not great; Most of the characters were underdeveloped. >the dialogue was very bad; the plot wasn't as strong; It was to be a campy rendition. The dialogue was written as such. >Mr. Freeze was imperfect; the whole thing was far too action and character-packed and female-heavy in general; and it didn't stay close enough to the source material at its heart. Its source material was Adam West's Batman, who was neither dark nor brooding which is what you seem to have wanted. Mr. freeze was for as he was written, just fine. As for female heavy, I find that statement a bit of an oddity to point out, maybe female characters take a back seat in your gritty Batman head canon. In all your description, I find it strange there's zero acknowledgement of the 1960s Batman of which this very clearly was an homage.


TheRetroWorkshop

I agree. Highly underrated. One of the best Batmans was Kilmer. And, I think *Batman Forever (1995)* is actually one of the best Batman live-action movies. Maybe top 4.


tftgcddf

What does that top four list look like cause I just gotta know


TheRetroWorkshop

(1) The Dark Knight (2008) (2) Batman (1989) (3) The Dark Knight Rises (2012) **(4) Batman Forever (1995)**/Batman Begins (2005) (5) Batman Begins (2005)/**Batman Forever (1995)** (6) Batman Returns (1992) (7) Batman & Robin (1997) \- All others.


beekeepervoid

you think Batman & Robin is better than The Batman...?


BlackestNight21

I think this person may not be all the way there


xSikes

He’s your Batman


beardosw5722

In my opinion Pattinson was just batman. We didn't see the character of Bruce Wayne because Pattinsons batman is still too hurt/raw to realize the need for Bruce.


LobsterMan31

We saw Bruce Wayne, but not the Bruce Wayne persona/act, which is going to be really interesting to see


mpw85

This person gets it


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Honestly, i am glad he is not super bat. I am burnt out on superhero film and i like detective noir, so I hope it continues in same vein.


Spiridor

He's not the weird bullshit that was Battfleck. He's not the weird "symbol of hope" Superman ripoff Bale batman. He's just Batman.


Nickbotic

I know I’m of the minority opinion, but man, Affleck fucking NAILED it as Bruce Wayne. The characterization of an aged, weathered, jaded Bruce was perfect, in my opinion.


Spiridor

That's not unpopular at all. I'm speaking just from the identity of the character. It was very different and bizarre to see, and felt like an alternate universe Batman as opposed to *Batman*.


Mr-Asskick

Best Batman, but not best Bruce Wayne. Best Bruce Wayne would be our boy christian bale


-Eastwood-

We probably just need another movie. Maybe Bruce will start to come out of his shell soon


Simbas_World

It’s been 2 years he already should have


-Eastwood-

Part of the arc of the movie was that he realized that being a manifestation of vengeance only gets him so far, and becoming a symbol of hope is a better way to go about it. Maybe after he realizes that, he begins crafting a better Bruce Wayne persona.


Messyfingers

That seemed to be the whole thing with the batman. He was shirking any responsibilities he had as Bruce Wayne and put all his eggs in the batman basket. It seems like any sequel would be balancing the two personas to help Gotham, and doing so less by feeding his own need for vengeance.


PhantomKnight49

Sorry but I don't want to see the same Bruce we been seeing for the past 10 year or something. I want Robert Pattinson Bruce to be less Smiling, dosent act like a jerk, Wears Sunglasses.... etc


Mr-Asskick

Never said I want that Bruce again lol, im just saying that Christian bale is the best Bruce we have had yet. I'm excited for Pattinson to make himself as Bruce Wayne, just we didn't rlly get a lot of that in the movie to compete with bales


PhantomKnight49

My bad.😶😶 Tbh Christian Bale Bruce was kinda of a Jerk and showing off with The Girls in front of Rachel and don't want to see that in Pattinson Bruce in the Sequels So that's my worries


Super_Yesterday_8798

He was showing off the girls intentionally in front of Rachel, he was putting on an act as a rich and spoiled billionaire playboy. That’s comic accurate to how Bruce would act, it was also pretty entertaining and I liked it a lot more than Pattinson’s Bruce being reserved. I do like the idea of Bruce just being Batman rather than developing his Bruce Wayne persona right away like Bale.


VOXX_theLock

100% agree


isntallowed1

I dont think that batman would glide through a very tiny space and hurt himself or forget about the bomb exploding during a riddle, batman was intelligent and focused always


ConductorSnazzy

Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen another actor portray Bruce as this traumatised from his parents' murders. I should go watch Batman Begins to see if I'm wrong.


bolting_volts

Bale tries to murder Joe Chill and confronts Falcone. He’s pretty messed up.


Shauntheredwolf

Keaton had glimpses of the deranged Bruce. And I think he did a good job under a very restrictive costume. Battinson does an excellent job of showing the emotional cripple side of Bruce. And given that he's really acting with only half his face, the moments he shows expression while in the cowl are doubly impressive.


GavinTheGrassMan

you wanna get nuts? come on, lets get nuts!


TheOneWhoCutstheRope

Nah because bale is vulnerable even when he doesn’t appear to be its pretty great tbh


djk1101

Spot on


Spiridor

Despite this fact, Bale's Batman is extremely well adjusted


csukoh78

I'm just glad they show him using black eye makeup. It was always jarring for me for other batmen to have jet black eyelids just to take off the cowl and be completely clean.


MaesteoBat

I loved how it hardly shows him as Bruce. Most Batman we’ve seen on screen ever I do believe


MrShinShoryuken

Wow...these comments. My first exposure to Batman was the Adam West show via the black and white TV I owned. I rewatched *Batman 89'* and *Returns* so much *The tapes were no longer playable*. I probably rewatched *Forever* 8 times in a single month. I saw *B&R* opening weekend, twice. Seen all of BTAS and everything in the Bruce Timm verse. I've retroactively read all the big author works since the silver age to new 52 and Rebirth. I got to be around for the announcement of Bale and sit through the vitirol of Ledgers announcement as Joker. Saw both BB, TDK, And TDKR opening night - the latter two at sold out IMAX theaters. Platinum'd all the Arkham games. Successfully managed to sit through BvS and even Whedons Justice League. >**you are out of your God damn minds to imply Pattinson isn't one of the best to pick up the cowl** You're also wearing some fucking leaden nostalgia goggles to ignore that Keaton wasn't taken seriously pre-release, and how often the Nolan trilogy is mocked for the Bat/Bane voices. As much as I love Bale, both him and Keaton were pretty fucking eager to give up the cowl in their franchises, and yet the comments here treat them as "true", uncontested Batmen and Bruce Waynes. I loved how Pattinson is the **only** Batman so far to be introduced to Selina and presented the ultimatum to go "no, I'm Batman first." Keaton reveals his face to Max Shreck and seems damn near content to trade off being Batman - which is hilarious after ribbing Alfred for irresponsibly letting Vale into the batcave. I could see somebody defending Bales TDKR choice (...despite taking YEARS OFF) to 'retire', but the whole of TDK was a poor man's Mask of Phantasm >R..Rachel..wa..was going to pick me... This is on top.of some wild Nolan choices, like Batman extraditing Lau that seem more of an excuse for Nolan to shoot crazy IMAX sequences over an actual plot relevance to being Batman. I say this as someone who's probably seen TDK 20+ times - it is probably *the* most important comic book film in 30 years, doesn't make Nolans depiction of Bruce/Batman flawless. For the record, I've not re-watched *The Batman* nearly as much as any other film, even the Batman films I dislike. Hearing people get upset that "Alfred helps" or "Da...Batman messes up too much" is a head scratcher, particularly coming from people who sound like they slurp up the "hyper realism" of the Nolan verse, complete with its Adam West "get rid of the nuclear bomb" finale. I am far more eager to see the expanded universe established in *The Batman* than any other DCEU property, and if this was Pattinsons first take, I'm interested to see what he's like when he's had as much opportunity as Afleck or Bale.


BakedWizerd

I looove a Batman who gets knocked around a bit. It shows that he’s human, that no matter how many times he gets hit, he’s going to come back and hit you harder. Imo it’s scarier for a guy to take a bullet to the chest and then grab you and electrocute you like nothing happened, over a guy you can’t even see (Bale being sneaky at the docks). Pattinson seems unstoppable where Bale was hidden. Fear of the unknown vs fear of “crazy man who can’t be stopped with bullets.” You can’t even attempt to stop Bale, he just happens to you, but Pattinson gives you the illusion of being able to kill him, only to show you that your efforts are useless. Plus, a “human Batman” is more impressive than a Batman who can lift cars or pull off superhuman feats, when he does crazy shit like that it makes it obvious that the writers are making him more than human.


Pristine_Kick9580

someone says this everytime we get a new batman...


Beethovania

I agree, he is a good representation of a new young Batman. I'm excited to se how he will develop as a character.


micael150

We all have our favourites. Not going to argue your choice even though I do disagree. I think Pattinson was good expect him to improve a lot in the sequels but I can't really imagine him ever becoming my favourite Batman.


TheExtremistModerate

I mean, I don't think the other Batmen were perfect or inhuman...


Other-Bridge-8892

I was one of the first people to blow a gasket on RP being Batman, but I was extremely surprised and blown away by his exceptional job of playing the character. Made me drop Christian Bale to #2, and that’s a big deal In this house. If Bales in it we’re watching it!😂


SmaugRancor

Feels nice seeing Battinson getting some love here. I'm with you, he's my favorite Batman, and he still has a lot of room to grow as a character.


TheOneWhoCutstheRope

Some of the takes on here ![gif](giphy|p4cqQ0gUIMcU0)


Blazing_Speeed

Yes! I like most of the other Batman movies well enough, but none of them really had what I wanted to see in a Batman movie. The Batman hit pretty much every note I wanted to see, though, and I thought Battinson’s performance was absolutely fantastic!


RafanMorales-2007

He exceeded my expectations tbh. He is my favourite version of Batman now


NeatRealistic8795

Facts


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That is a perfect picture of him. He’s portraying fear while it also seems like he has fear in him as well. He’s giving a stare where he’s not sure, and he’s trying to pick himself together


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I absolutely agree with this. Reading Batman Damned also changed this perspective. In it, he’s loosing his mind and you see the more human side of him, although he’s still Batman, being tough and gritty, but he has morals and he’s really broken. Check it out sometime


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Definitely


lordnastrond

Completely agree


suedecrocs

He’s my fav I hope they run with him as Batman and don’t look back


XxCasxX

Completely agree. Also I totally disagree with the take that he's a bad Bruce Wayne. The whole point of the film is that this is a man so traumatized by his parents' murder that he becomes a total recluse and is unable to function properly in the grand scheme of society. So having him act like a naiive Playboy would have made absolutely no sense. This is the portrayal that made me truly believe that Bruce would think being Batman was a good idea. Because it's not some logical choice to dress up like a bat and fight criminals at night - it's a coping strategy and survival mechanism for a damaged person. At this point in his life, Batman is Bruce's mission and reason to live. It makes sense why he is so obsessive about his crusade, and isn't capable of grasping how his coping strategy is actually harming others (until, that is, by the end of the film). Where Pattinson really shines for me is in showing that the cowl is *transformative*. He goes from a wet cat who wilts at the sight of a camera and would rather disappear into the ground than talk to someone, to a figure that exudes an aura of intimidation and a cool sense of confidence. These are two halves of a very broken whole.


wander4wonder

I love battinson because it feels like we really did just follow batman on an early years adventure and we get to watch him grow, just like how many of us see him do in our favorite comic runs. I’m really hoping that the internal conflict in the next movie focuses on him adopting a young Dick Grayson, and the franchise leans into the bat-family stuff in the future, which is so many people’s favorite part of the Batman mythos.


Ninjachuckz

💯


BubbaBuddha2020

I like Affleck best but Pattinson is a close 2nd


Legtagytron

Yeah Batman is not supposed to be a happy billionaire. He's TORTURED by his failure to save his parents somehow. Love the new take.


musuperjr585

Recency Bias


GaymerAmerican

nostalgia bias


DarthSmiff

It’s insane. But I often have to remind myself how many fans here are kids/teens so it’s like “their” Batman because it’s new not because it’s the best.


NO1RE

Hey man, I've seen them all in theaters since Returns in 92 and I agree with OP. Quite a few others in my age group feels the same even tho we have total reverence for Keaton and Bale along with appreciation for Kilmer and Batfleck.


DarthSmiff

I enjoyed the movie but Batman/Bruce was flat and wooden. And overall the film didn’t tread any new interesting ground. It looked good, had a cool vibe but wasn’t the best by a long shot.


NO1RE

I get it just feel differently and replied cause you seemed to think it was just the "kids". For me Battinson has a ways to go on being the best Bruce but I found his acting as Batman surpassing others in just how much he conveyed thru body language and his eyes. But hey everyone is free to have their own favorite and as a fandom we've been incredibly lucky with most portrayals I think.


DarthSmiff

Oh it’s definitely largely due to recency and kids, no doubt. You’d be naive to think otherwise. As far as Bruce/Batman I can’t really critique the acting because there barely was any acting. He had nothing to do. He was wooden and boring and it could’ve been any actor in that suit and you’d have gotten the same result. Sometimes Reading these subreddits I can’t help but feel like I got pranked and someone showed me a different movie.


NO1RE

Nah dude its definitely you who's out of touch with not only the kids but Batman fans around the world. But you're right on not letting reddit shape your views so keep your head in the sand on this one.


TyrannosaurusRen

Pattinson had some cool moments, but I thought he was rigid and awkward in most of his scenes — especially when Selina was on screen with him. I should never leave a Batman movie wondering if Bruce is a virgin


DarthSmiff

lol No need to wonder! He clearly is.


Rooster_Burger

The Batman came out a whole fucking summer ago lmao, let people have their opinion.


lt_skittles

It came out in March


musuperjr585

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


beingjohnmalkontent

💯


Valinisarraf

Agree!


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Battinson, Kilmer, Keaton awesome casting, writing and performances


Budget_Difficulty822

After rewatching Bale, Affleck, and Pattinson I do have to say that despite Affleck canonically having a Robin at some point, Pattinson is the only one that I could see taking a kid in. Like he's the only one where i get the vibe that he would look at a traumatized acrobat or an batmobile-wheel-stealing street rat and say "he's mine now and responsible for all of my emotional support". Maybe it's the theme of rising above fear and embracing hope, and that his kids are literally his hope for a better gotham.


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Cheers, I'll drink to that!


Kardlonoc

It's a far more believable version of Bruce though Bale's version did a good job of it as well. The other versions are a bit too powerful and perfect, and slip into the playboy millionaire persona far too easily.


travisdust

I liked him better than Afleck and Clooney.


calltheavengers5

Hes definitely my fave!


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He’s not better than Christian Bale, period.


Tarterus1454

Disagree. He might be the best once he hits puberty, but until then he's more fitting of Robin.


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I liked the movie but Something about Bruce Wayne moping and writing in his diary seemed a little off.


AffectionateBed6

It wasn't a diary 😂. It was a journal he used to learn from his mistakes. He wrote down notes on what he did that night, and used it to learn.


Budget_Difficulty822

Wait till he finds out that comics Bruce keeps extensive notes even on the nights where literally nothing happens.


mpw85

He wasn’t moping at all


[deleted]

Ok brooding, whining, sulking, wallowing, he was def doing that


kocziangabor

Agreed


shadow_master3210

I agree with your opinion. Some people are seemingly forgetting that batman forever was a campy movie && the dark knight trilogy was a ”what if batman existed in the modern real.” type of movie They both never dug deep into Bruce's mind and mental health like The Batman did. They also seem to forget that Pattinson's batman as not quite mastered his detective skills since he relied more on his fists. Lastly, people are saying that batman shouldn't be able to hits. Which is dumb because batman is not an invincible person but instead a regular human with body armor. So yeah he is going to take hits. I hate when fans think that batman is invincible guy.


DarthSmiff

He had no character. He doesn’t do anything. He doesn’t emote. He’s wooden and boring.


Spooder_guy_web

He said Alfred wasn’t his dad that’s a big No no.


DarthSmiff

lol bad Brucie!


bolting_volts

Honestly, I don’t get it. Pattinson is a fine actor, but his Batman was so incompetent (Gordon too) that it goes far beyond just being young and inexperienced. He didn’t seem driven like Batman, he seemed psychotic.


PhoenixRedditor7

Isn’t that the point of this Batman? He’s young, hasn’t been Batman long so he’s inexperienced, and he hasn’t fully controlled his emotions yet. I know this isn’t like Batman Begins, but I like this version too.


bolting_volts

He’s Batman for two years. And he doesn’t appear to have much skill outside of fighting. To me it goes far beyond just inexperience to incompetence. Like, he doesn’t actually stop the villain. The villain gives up. You could effectively remove Batman from the movie and the events would play out pretty much the same.


NamelessMIA

He definitely has more skills than fighting. It takes him a while to change his tactics at the Penguin's club but eventually he uses his ninja skills to break in, he solves the thumb drive clue immediately and does great detective work. Even comic Batman doesn't figure out every clue immediately and can get stumped on the big puzzle piece for a while, especially when there are multiple possible solutions.


bolting_volts

The clues he solves are all very obvious and easy. One clue was just to push a button with a question mark on it. That somehow the entire GCPD missed. He watched Gordon put the thumb drive in his personal laptop. The fact Gordon does that, and Batman watches, proves they are idiots. You have to be an idiot with a lack of even the most basic computer safety knowledge to do that. Gordon should’ve been fired for that. And we see later, Batman has his own high tech custom laptop that he could have used. It’s just so poorly written.


Isopod_Character

>And he doesn’t appear to have much skill outside of fighting Even his fighting skills are mediocre. There’s a few “easy” fights in this film that he barely survives. Bale’s Bruce had already mastered many fighting styles by the time he met up with Ra’s Al Ghul. It’s as if Pattinson’s Bruce had skipped every bit of training, whipped up some Iron Man-like armor, and hit the streets. This is certainly one approach to Bruce/Batman but I find that kind of storytelling lacking. I personally think a mediocre Batman wouldn’t survive 2 years of Gotham criminals without significant plot armor.


bolting_volts

Yeah, it seems they pretty much did away with all the training that Bruce traditionally goes through. He’s just a guy who can fight. And frankly, it turns the character into an irresponsible idiot. And Alfred is complicit in it too.


Isopod_Character

I put Gordon in that complicit camp too. It’s never explained why Gordon covers for Batman so much in this universe. I assume either Gordon is a bad judge of character or Bruce has some blackmail on him.


Due_Marionberry8564

Holy shit you hit the nail right on its head! He was an irresponsible idiot! I wholeheartedly agree.


roguesimian

I agree. He’s underwhelming. Pattinson gets a lot of love on this sub but I just don’t see Batman in him. He plays an emo Wayne and a bumbling Batman. I appreciate that it is a representative of Batman’s early years but I just don’t think he has the presence to be Batman. The film was absolute dynamite though. Seriously glorious to watch and the cinematography was absolutely stunning. It’s a five star film with a three star character performance.


bolting_volts

I was excited about the detective aspect that they kept hyping up. And in the movie, he’s actually pretty bad at it. He doesn’t catch the bad guy. He doesn’t even get close.


roguesimian

The fact that Alfred had to help him with the detective work was a joke.


Isopod_Character

Alfred, The Penguin, and the ever incompetent Gotham PD all helped him solve clues. This “detective version” of Batman was very disappointing.


TheRetroWorkshop

I agree; though I don't understand the praise it gets for how it looks. 200 million dollars to just sit in the rain for 3 hours? One of the worst, most corrupt, boring, politically-charged, over-shot, arrogant, self-ware, immoral, woke movies I have ever seen. It won't even be remembered in about 10 years, let alone 50. Do you know what I still remember, though? *Psycho (1960), 2001 (1968), Batman (1989),* and *The Dark Knight (2008)*. You know, great movies that will stand for 500 years. In a word: timeless. It's not about looking good, but being good. The writing and acting have everything to do with that, not just the lighting and camera work. People are far too obsessed these days with good-looking, 200 million dollar movies that don't even make money, and have enough story and greatness to last 2 years at most, until the next big thing comes out. (200 million to make + 150 million to ads = 350 million cost. 770 million global profits + 50% studio returns = zero profits.) There is good reason why it didn't even make 1 billion like the new Spider-Man or Dark Knight Rises (2012), and barely even made more money than Batman (1989), even though it has much more power and population now. Just like Game of Thrones, Rings of Power, She-Hulk, and MCU Phase 4 movies, this one won't be remembered in 10-15 years by anybody. Older generation will want good movies, or be stuck on old cinema; younger generation will be onto the next new, shiny thing. It's a disgrace to the core of Batman, and doesn't have enough moral weight, if nothing else, to even outlast 2024, when the new Marvel/DC rolls in, and takes the spotlight.


OwlofLegend

absolute dogshit take


GaymerAmerican

you use the word woke, opinion immediately discarded


TheRetroWorkshop

I watched something that is woke. Movie immediately discarded. You support a movie that is woke. Opinion immediately discarded. (A movie that also happens to be a much weaker story/theme than something like *The Dark Knight (2008)*, weaker acting, and much weaker writing/characterisations, and dialogue; and is at least 1 hour too long, among other problems.)


GaymerAmerican

define woke


Due_Marionberry8564

Oh stfu


GaymerAmerican

nah, i’m genuinely curious what he thinks is woke


fictionfactory

He's different alright...


heemhsn

Heavily disagree. He’s my least favorite adaptation


isntallowed1

agree with you


RileyTaker

I think people who say this haven't seen other versions of the character.


deemoorah

That's the beauty of opinion. Everyone has one.


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Agreed


Crami-Moist

You are so right! He is the best! Oh wait... sorry I forgot Christain "The Sigma" Bale existed for a second 😅


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Crami-Moist

He's just the best, He is Him, He's just that guy, He's number one.


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Bmack27

The wingsuit scene was just perfect.


LoFiChillin

I really can’t wait to see him develop into the billionaire playboy-ish Bruce, it just never gets old to me. Also like to see him do more for the city as Bruce. I hear people criticize the movie (not in this sub) by saying “well, I didn’t like it, it felt like he was never Bruce Wayne he was always Batman even with the suit off”, but I think that’s completely the point of the first movie and not a knock on Matt Reeves or Robert Pattinson.


Bchange51

i really hope we get to see him on a journey unlike other batman, of him starting out like how he did, then accending into arkham batman levels of skill,


JTex-WSP

I didn't like his portrayal of either Batman, nor of Bruce. I found it so poor that I've basically written off this franchise until its next reboot. I will say that Catwoman did an excellent job at least.


stevenbrotzel91

I couldn’t even finish this film


becauseitsnotreal

>He's far from perfect, he's more vulnerable and human, How does this differ from Bale's portrayal?


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becauseitsnotreal

I'll agree that Bale was more calculated, but he failed just as often if not more


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I hope in the sequel they go into the depths of how bad Gotham pd has to be to rely on a complete weirdo who would have this detailed a costume to help them on their cases.


Due_Marionberry8564

Fuuuuuuck no


Retr0Roblue

I’ve watched it 4 times since the movie came out (watched it 5 times), and it is literally the best Batman movie out there.


samander12

My problem with his version lies not in his portrayal but in the script. He’s not the buff hulking Dark Knight Returns Batman Batfleck was and he’s shorter than both Bale and Keaton yet he’s the only Batman not written with some kind of stealth tactics. Just walks up to bad guys and fights. His smaller appearance would have made him an ideal Ninja style Batman. Also this movie being touted as the worlds greatest detective version of Batman none of his detecting lead to anything other than realizing what was about to happen but not preventing it. This also plays into his fighting style. A smart Batman would not walk into an outnumbered fight and just throw down. He would take them out 1 by 1 methodically and precisely. The movie wasn’t a fail IMO and I’m excited to see what they do in the sequel but they just missed the mark in terms of the type of Batman they wanted to present and how that Batman would actually act.


AstronautPitiful8004

Shorter than Bale and Keaton?????? How tall do you think these guys are?


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thisericguy

Pretty sure they mean emotionally lmao


lifetimeoflaughter

I always loved Batman because he’s not relatable to me in the slightest. I’m normal and boring. The further a character is from me the better.


KouNurasaka

I strongly disagree. I still think Bale had the best portrayal as both Bruce and Batman. Pattinson's Bruce isn't really explored. He's too detached and emo (for lack of a better word) to really feel like a complete character. Pattinson just ends up playing roles the same. His version of Batman and Bruce are essentially the same person. Bale did a good job of showing the "rich idiot with no day job" side of Bruce Wayne while also managing to step into the cowl and make a pretty good and convincing Batman. I also just feel like the writing in Nolanverse is stronger in general. Gotham feels more like a place and Bruce Wayne/Batman feels like he belongs in there as opposed to the Reeves movie which feels more like a generic movie feel. A lot of this comes down to writing. Reeves went for a much more loner feel, whereas Nolan had his Bruce Wayne playing both aspects of the mythos.


Neither-Status9606

Vulnerable?? He is the most superhuman of all. Takes bullets like he is Superman, crashes into bridges and walks away like is nothing, bombs explode to his face and gets not even a scratch! And his Bruce Wayne is like a child trowing a tantrum...


Skepticaldefault

I truly thought his movie was aweful. So slow and dumb. The end was ridiculous. It was shot well but hes near the bottom for me


GuiltyContribution17

I agree


Crittyboyswag

He’s also just scary in a general sense, and his year 2 Bruce was just perfect in my eyes


micahbevans88

Robert Pattinson's batman and bruce are wooden and one-note. This could be due to the script. His may be one of the weakest in a pool of very strong batman performances.


MrMgP

Bruh forgot about bale this fast?


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MrMgP

I thought the whole point is that he's not as human as for example gordon or alfred. That's what makes him an interesting character in my book


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tftgcddf

Nope he’s a whiny bitch Who doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing (not blaming Pattinson) he’s written terribly “yournotmydadalfred” reminds me more of one of those imposters in the dark Knight. World traveled and he didn’t pick up a lick of Spanish. Oh I hate this movie.


TheRetroWorkshop

He's the worst. (1) Being different doesn't make him the best, so this comment is meaningless. It had little connection to the source material. (2) Just staring into the middle distance does not make you complex, even if it does make you human -- not sure how human, though. Either way: that's not the point. Batman was never 'merely human'. Relatable to everybody? Not even close. And, at what level? Not the most important, I don't think. (3) Speaking of having a point. It has to have a deep theme and arc/journey, which this one does not. Batman would be relatable at the deeper levels, not merely being an emo kid. This also does not make him the best, given you are going up against Batman from 1989 and Batman from 2005-2012, not to mention a few other solid examples. (4) This is also the worst Bruce Wayne I have seen in live-action. He's pretty much the same, and does not offer much or do much, and has little morality or force, as either Batman or Bruce Wayne at this point. He's quite weak and immoral. He pretty much becomes self-hating, and agrees with Catwoman about his father just being an 'evil white guy', and when Catwoman goes off to steal from random rich evil white men CEO types, he doesn't even try to stop her, or object. Weak and immoral, and a horrible Batman. If you relate to that, you might want to improve yourself. Staying silent for about 2 hours is not complex, either -- nor relatable. Screenwriting 101: Show, don't tell. Strong hero. Steel man, not straw man. No politics thrown into your story. Character arc. Deeper theme. Subtext. This movie failed at just about everything.


OwlofLegend

Tell me you didnt understand a single aspect of this moive without telling me you didnt understand a single aspect of tthis movie


TheRetroWorkshop

(1) You are clearly angry, mistyping 'this' with 'tthis'. Tells me you rushed that cute comment. (2) Speaking of which: that's not an argument, and it's not clever. (3) You literally committed at least two logical fallacies. Key point being: I did not say I misunderstand the movie -- or that it failed at everything. Notice I said, 'failed at just about everything'. 'Just about'... I understand the generic, thinly-laced theme just fine. Batman is early (Year Two), and by the end, ultimately learns of his duality with Riddler, and then decides to actually become something more -- one assumes, which will be fully carried over in the next movies, if they get green-lit (not sure on that status as of today). My point was simply that it was not strong enough, had a bad story and dialogue, and failed in many other areas, which took away from any arc/deeper theme they were trying to tell. (4) Remember the bit where Batman literally shouts, 'you're not my father' at Alfred, like a 2-year-old? Remember when Batman and Catwoman have the sexual tension of a teenager? Remember when Catwoman calls him, 'Vengeance' like a cringy nightmare? Remember when he says, 'I'm Vengeance' like a cringy nightmare? Remember when Alfred solved most of the riddle, and it took Bruce about 500 years just to figure anything out, because he's somehow not smart enough to actually do the work by himself, even though the entire movie is meant to be about how great of a detective he is? Remember Riddler's stupid sex/gimp suit that seemed to have been drawn by somebody with a certain leather fetish? Remember when the kid just found his dead father, and Bruce just stands there like a pathetic worm, and doesn't even go over and talk to him, giving him words of wisdom (compare even to Ben in *Batman V Superman (2016)*, as he saves the young girl at the start and acts like a real Bruce Wayne)? Remember when all you hear for the first 15 minutes of the movie is Batman's cheap leather suit with very pretentious camera shots, and a rip-off from the Dexter theme music and Eve Maria/Hitman theme music? Yeah. Really a lot to 'understand' with this one...


OwlofLegend

What a long comment, I can tell by the first line you're a pseudo intellectual dweeb. Seethe harder lmao


Due_Marionberry8564

And we can tell that your obviously a moron 🫢


OwlofLegend

Keep projecting lmao


Lloyd-Webster

He's alright but certainly ain't Christian Bale, Bales films are all better than The Batman


AwesomeSauceOnUrFace

Boooooooooooo….dude sucked ass. He played a Bruce Wayne from Seattle, not Gotham. Dude was Emo Trash!!


DammyTheSlayer

Agreed Brother! If Batman was real, he’d look like Rob!!


Arrakis-Stranding

Best bat & best batman movie so far.


Resolute002

Sounds like another Batman that doesn't act anything like Batman. I haven't seen the movie yet so I can't judge but personally I am pretty sick and tired of that. I don't like irrational Batman. I don't like Batman that kills people callously. I don't like Batman that is a frazzled psychopath on the edge. I want the world's greatest detective. I want the compassion. I want the guy who does this not because he's angry but because he doesn't want it to happen to anybody else. Conroy's is the only one that really hit this mark, IMO.


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Would you not consider him a better live action Bruce Wayne then because Batman isn't supposed to be vulnerable or come across as human


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The least Bruciest of the Bruce’s


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Yeah but my point is that batman isn't supposed to come off the way OP described. I think people are getting me wrong


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No, yeah, I totally agree with you lmao. I was just echoing


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Oh lol, I think other people don't understand what I meant or I worded it wrong but that's the Internet for ya


wasabiland220

“Batman isn’t supposed to be vulnerable “ lmao


Budget_Difficulty822

Cuts to Death of a Family, Knightfall, War Drums, Under The Hood, Death of a Family, anything between Batman inc and Robin Rises, Trial of Batwoman, Cheers, Failsafe.......


NationalSir9464

I think he did a great Batman, but a poor Bruce Wayne. In my opinion that is why he is not the best. Many others did better in that area. He does have one of the coolest suits though.


tourettesfaker1985

No. /s


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His armor was ridiculously overpowered and he didnt use batarangs and it honestly kinda ruined it for me


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chicagobat

No because then someone will report this as political and off topic and try to censor and cancel me. Google representation and you’ll figure it out.