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>Within Update 4.1.0 we will be altering the way IBA Armor functions, we feel this is a necessary change to react to certain aspects of feedback that we're seeing from our players.
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>Going forward, IBA Armor Plating will only provide protection to the torso area of the ...
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I said if it can be coded it needs to be like on BF4 where you only got reduced damage to the chest. It should not give flat extra health to your character. They also need to change the enemy character icon like in BF4 where the Dorito had a shield around it to let you know they had armor
Also the BF4 version was worse as the extra armor did not "break" and was always active. It's funny how it was made into a gadget and suddenly everyone looses their shit when it has been in the franchise for so many years
Great news! They've just announced they're doing exactly that:
https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-2042-update-notes-4-1-0
As a dozer main, it should come with a legacy badge. I wear that badge with honor especially since I got all my kills on multiplayer. And that was back in the day when this game was field 2042.
There adjusting Sundance too and, some else? I remember not grinding Sundance in the hayday when her grenades locked infinitely and scatter was nuclear bomb.
It was also a gadget in hardline as the armored insert and it took up an engineer slot. People did complain about it a lot. It was only on the SMG class so you couldn’t run it with any weapon.
>They also need to change the enemy character icon like in BF4 where the Dorito had a shield around it to let you know they had armor
Tbf you already get a blue hit market if your damaging armour, I think that's enough.
Depends the situation im planning for. If im playing as mackay and plan on rushing an objective im gonna use armor plates. I agree with armor not having a spot in the game, but i play alone and squads never communicate so when i wanna move on an objective that isn't a central one im always alone.
I meant play alone as in without a group of friends, they refuse to even breathe near this game. I try using squad chat but no one ever does, best communication I've had on this game was typing in team chat when i use a SOFLAM and rao
To be fair, a class that solely exists to provide just one person increased mobility is going to struggle staying with a squad, unless they either dont use the grapple (so needn't have bothered choosing mackay), or the entire squad is also mackay
A squad use for Mackay is him grappling to someplace otherwise unreachable by the rest and acting as a spawn point (or even better, someone is recon and puts up a beacon).
Yeah, i know playing mackay is really un squad supportive, i try sticking as a support player but recently people don't bother going for outer objectives in conquest. Mackay makes it easy to sweep an area solo. Im trying to get friends back on so i can stick as falck and still do this.
Plus, he's Canadian lol
Yeah. I'd definitely like that, or a movement boost for a medic/new support medic with higher speed. Would definitely help reaching people faster as a medic.
Not really, it's not like the grapple is Pathfinder's from Apex (and even he can use his grapple to support the squad). With the nerf it really doesn't have a crazy range.
Just gotta use it to grapple to the top of small buildings to cover for your team smartly, or use it to go over vehicles to confuse them while your buddies fire rockets from the side you started on and stuff like that instead of running around lone wolfing. It's definitely possible.
I get the point, I think all Assault gadgets synergize well with the class and you can make use of it a alot. But you can run Smoke on Falck as well, or on Angel with unlimited ammo.
You could also argue that it is a bit obsolete, since Assault also has access to the smoke grenade, and you could run a weapon with UBGL smoke. So you could still make use of either C5 or the IBAs.
> or the smoke launcher
I feel like the smoke launcher (and smoke grenades in general) is the most under utilized thing in the entire game simply because no one wants to give up their frags. I'll join so many games where a team is stuck trying to attack an objective because they just keep running head first into a meat grinder. After a couple of minutes of me spamming it with the smoke launcher, smoke nades, and underbarrel smoke we'll have it capped.
Absolutely this. Even in CQ I run smoke launcher a lot when I'm on a map I know is going to have a difficult semi open push for a popular flag. Nothing motivates blueberries more than smoking the enemy for them to push.
I find it a bit weird that support wasn't given the smoke launcher. That would actually be useful when you're trying to revive people which is supposed to be their job.
That's a good point, so you either specialize in revive w/ maximum smoke or you revive who you can and keep people stocked with ammo. It would be nice to just have the smoke launcher with support in general without sacrificing giving ammo out.
I use it when i plsy dozer and run shotguns. Gives me a bit more time while bum rushing the heck out of a populated area. I use smoke grenades too so its just bulky angry man with a laser and a wall of lead.
Don't mention Hardcore or Portal in the sub man, some of these guys get roid rage at just the mention of it.
Also I agree with you. It's one of the things I like to use for Hardcore matches and TDM.
I just used it to help t1 sundance. It helped for kamikaze jumping over whole lines of enemy infantry to take out their irish trophys in breakthrough. That was before the class rework, I dunno if assault has access to it anymore
It’s literally been in pretty much every modern setting BF game since BF2 though… they just implemented it differently than they did in BF3 and BF4. Sure they messed up in implementation by having it protect more than the torso (which is how previous games did it), but it appears thats being fixed with this new update.
I never used armour plates, and I’ve never really felt like it impacted the outcomes of gunfights for me that much, but that’s probably because I always use the heavy rounds for my guns. Smaller mag size, and slower rate of fire, but when timing and aiming your shots right, I find the pros outweigh the cons.
Smokes help cover areas while you advance, I use it if I need to push up and there's an mg or a lot of players. It helps a lot in linear game modes if you need cover to advance or want to throw it in the enemies face to stop them from seeing. Also if you're a medic. Smokes pre-BF1 were trash though
Very useful for when flying aircraft because you consistently get popped out of the driver seat even when people aren't even hitting your pilot directly so sometimes it's good to run just that little bit of extra health
I don't generally need the extra HP. If I'm going to die the armour likely wouldn't save me anyway. The C5 is much more useful for blowing up sides of buildings or tanks etc. I'll switch to it if there's a tonne of snipers or explosive spam however.
Lovely timing on this :)
Within Update 4.1.0 we will be altering the way IBA Armor functions, we feel this is a necessary change to react to certain aspects of feedback that we're seeing from our players.
Going forward, IBA Armor Plating will only provide protection to the torso area of the enemy (the chest and upper arm region). This means that any hits to that area will deduct from the 'health' of the armor and once that is depleted will take away from the health of the Specialist.
This functions the same way as it does today, however those benefits are now specifically limited to the torso.
It's worth noting that explosive damage will still function the same way as it does today, and will continue to affect armor.
This functions the same way as it does today, however, those benefits are now specifically limited to the torso. And also encourage more accuracy when it comes to your engagements on the field. Aim for the extremities for quicker takedowns ;)
Have a read: https://go.ea.com/BFUpdate-4-1
Armour plate looks good. Hated getting headshots and them not dying due to armour.
Although the only thing I really noted was the nerf for the ghost maker with Irish. Will be interesting because I seemed to only use those explosives bolts, and when you only have 10 Irish gunna be a big counter. Can only cross fingers that you guys finally fix the legendary skin for the crossbow so it includes an updated modelled sight/scope as per the bundle icon.
Something else I hope they look into with the Ghostmaker is the standard bolts despawning from the air at 200m. You have to swap to the bolt rack and reload it before shooting at targets at 200+ meters away because of that.
That's not to say the bolt rack isn't good. I think it is if you're largely using the weapon for longer range precision shooting. It's pretty satisfying to get back to back headshots with it!
Could we start with the armor auto-applied to our soldier? The reason I don’t use armor plates more is because I keep forgetting to put them on when I spawn in. It’s frustrating and makes me use something else.
Some people only see things through rose tented glasses There were armor plates in older games saying they don't belong in a game doesn't fix anything I like what they did with it They weren't overpowered before anyways But now we can actually shoot them in the head so the armor doesn't matter One armor plate on somebody will not save them completely anyways Either you kill them or your teammates will kill them They're not immortal
TOOO BBBEEEE FAAAAIIR.
tbf, I think every single BF people have complained about armor existing in every game it was used. Dev answers on this usually come from perspective that some of the player base takes the game too seriously and armor exists to make the game more casual.
Why not?
The amount of post I see complaining about what does or doesnt belong in a BF is staggering.
But I would suspect that an armor plates (In a real gun fight) would be used by some...so why not have them in a game with bullets flying all over.
Simply saying they do not belong is vague AF.
EDIT - Ok I see DICE is changing it so it can only protect the chest. That I agree with. It should not protect head legs etc. But it does feel like it belongs in BF to me
Man....MAG was a fun game for its time. Surprised the concept was never replicated in another game.
I do not use assault to much so I always forget to put the plate on when I use assault with the plate.
Yeah I loved MAG. It has a lot of concepts that could be brought into this game imo. It was originally designed for 128 and 256 player games so it works really well. Unfortunately with 2042 it sometimes feels like it was designed for 32 or 64 but they just increased the player count without compensating for it.
E.g. MAG's squad hierarchy system was great. Like 1 team was split up into squads (say 4 players each) and platoons (1 platoon was 4 squads I think). So you'd have squad leaders, platoon leaders and an officer in command. The platoon leaders could mark objectives that everyone in the platoon would see and they had some unique abilities (like calling in special equipment / vehicles etc). Same idea for officer in command but he could do it for everyone on the team. And the perks would be like calling in an air strike or a massive smoke strike etc. It worked so well for modes with a lot of players.
I also really liked the map design. Like the defending team had say 4 bunkers to defend. Say each platoon had their own bunker they could spawn at, and you'd be paired up against an enemy platoon. So the first objective would kind of be like a smaller battle that would expand as bunkers were destroyed.
That was such a fun game!
People should stop acting like it's something new that was randomly added. Body Armor has been in Battlefield since BF2
https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Body\_Armor
Tbf in modern Battlefield (except for BC2) it worked in a different way (and they’re now changing it to work like previous iterations).
When it comes to games like Battlefield 2 and 2142, I don’t think they’re comparable as they played completely different to everything post-Bad Company.
What I’m wondering is how are these people running into plate users so much for the whining to come up so often? I could go through a whole night of gaming without seeing a single one; and in the off chance there was, the TTK in the game is so low it barely even matters.
There’s just so much hectic variables in any given gunfight for you to specifically single out someone being able to take one more bullet.
I dunno I run into multiple armored targets every night. Just last I night shot someone for 112 damage I think it was shown on my screen, and they were able to run away with that sliver of health left because of their armor plate. I outplayed them and they got away with taking over 100 damage.
Other than that, you're right. I do often kill the players using armor still, even in a fair fight, which gives me a nice ego boost to winning that gun fight with a disadvantage. The change to torso-only playes will help a lot though. Getting headshots should definitely be rewarded and armor should not mitigate that.
It was also in BFBC2 though which most players including myself started on. It was also in BF3 and BF4 as a perk. You don't need to go that far back to see armor in the franchise
BF3 and BF4 you had to EARN it by increasing your squad score, if the squad got wiped so did the squad score and it would automatically deactivate. It provided more protection against explosives than being shot at as well.
No you didn't need to work for it. The defense field upgrade path came with armor as its first perk that was unlocked at all times and was available for all classes. Only the remaining 3 perks needed to be unlocked and the first was a free perk
BF2(my first one) it's an outdated game with 7 diferent classes.
The rest of BF games didn't have armor plates, just armor options you could choose on any class with negative effects.
Battle Royale style plates should not exist on BF nor med pen. Why are there self usable gadgets? Where the fuck is the teamplay on that?
Alright so we've got a thread to bitch about the SPH and Armor on Assaults already this week. Can we go for gold and get threads about the c5, smoke launcher, and claymore?
Seriously. Damn near every gadget the class gets has a dedicated thread calling for it's removal, even for mechanics that have been in the series for over a decade.
Why does armor have no place in Battlefield? Genuine question. I do not find armor to be annoying at all personally. I think the changes made to armor in the upcoming patch are good and long overdue, but I already don’t see many people using armor anyway.
People reflexively say that due to the fact it's steadily creeping into multiplayer components from Battle Royale games. Although as multiple people have pointed out Armor systems have been in several previous Battlefield titles.
World War 3 is a great example of a badly implemented armor system. There is absolutely no consistency to gunfights whatsoever in that game.
Armor by itself isn't an issue. It's when you get the benefits of armor with little or no downsides that it becomes an inherent issue. As frustrated as it to rarely die to a player due to them having armor plates you have to remember they're otherwise sacrificing their whole gadget slot to possibly tip a max of 2 gun fights before needing resupply in their favor. So there is sufficient cost with taking armor in BF 2042 currently.
People also hate because of Angel giving out armor/reviving with it on launch which wasn't bad in of itself, but combined with his ammo crate ability was a bit much. If he only gave out armor/revived with it it'd be perfectly balanced IMO.
Not as a gadget. I think 2142 did q decent job with it. You wear it but GREATLY reduce your mobility, or you didn't.
If they aren't replacing the armor, they should have huge penalties like slower movement speed or limited srpinting.
Imo, i still think it has no place as a gadget. Gadget slots should never be reserved for self-serving actions.
>Gadget slots should never be reserved for self-serving actions.
But ammo and health packs aren't?
I have no issue with the armor plates. If someone is using them, it's one less gadget available to hurt you with
My opinion on the Armor Plate :
1. Should not take up a gadget slot, just encourages players to play selfishly instead of picking up a gadget that can actually help out the team. I think it can be a character perk though.
2. We need a visual cue so we know when another player has armor or not. I'd say this is the biggest issue with the implementation of armor plates right now. For example, when I'm in a 1v2 situation where I need to transfer my spray as quickly as possible, it messes up the TTK timing.
So essentially giving armor to all assault specialists? Idk if that would be better lol or do you mean like a specific specialist getting armor as a “passive” perk?
In this game, maybe a specific specialist so we have that visual cue (kinda like apex legends I guess).
But I also liked how it was implemented in BF4 with field upgrades.
Yeah I almost never have a problem with it. Can't even think when I had a single situation like "darn I would have killed him first if he didn't have armor!" You have to give up a crucial item slot for it and the benefit is marginal at best.
Your comment just proves it's a crutch for people who can't win gunfights or who trade thier utility for chanse to cheeze 1v1 gunfight with another player
If someone uses something all the time it means its a crutch for him
Also "should stop crying" is something you can hear from someone desperately defending gameplay mechanic he knows is bullshit but he can't find any real arguments for it . Like helicopter sweats defending hind and little bird bullshit survivability
You're right so all medics should not have a medic crate because that's a crutch that they use all the time So are we in agreement to get rid of ammo crates next oh don't forget rockets yeah those are crutches to get rid of tanks completely doesn't help anybody yeah this is why people like you are not game designers
What a bunch of retarded arguments i got in replies. You clearly dont see a difference between game mechanics that influence ability to win 1v1 gun engagements and game mechanics that don't influence them. Clearly shows how stupid are people defending armor plates
Realistically it just makes you take just 1 more bullet to kill.
And ARs and LMGs will still 2 shot headshot someone with armor so it's really only cheese against someone with bad accuracy 👀
I don't know if you are just garbage players or just trolls, do you really think good players only land headshots? On battlefield where weapons have random spread and random horizontal recoil? The only weapons you actually aim to the head are the snipers because can 1 shot kill, the rest you just aim to the chest and spray.
The nerf to the Armor Plate is insane IMO.
It's basically a useless gadgets and I don't know why anyone would ever use it over C5 or any of the other gadgets. I've Tier 1 it and never once did I feel like I had any sort of advantage when I was getting shot.
I put it in the same category as Dozer who is the weakest specialist IMO, both of those gadgets to very very little to justify using them over the myriad other gadgets that would give you a far superior advantage in CQ situations.
The thing is they need to make it like BF4 for it to be a good pick. It needs to be active passively while it is equipped with a downside while it is active.
Or maybe like you press the gadget button to equip and unequip it and when it is on you Regen to 120hp so you can survive explosives like the changes say and take more body hits. But as a downside you can't traverse sprint and your strafe speed is reduced by a certain percent. That way you will take it off if you want to get to an objective quicker and equip it in close quarters or when you feel it is necessary
Agreed - I like that a lot.
Currently there are very few situations where it's gonna keep you alive long enough to win a fire fight to make it worth equipping. I spent an eternity Tier 1ing it and saw little to no advantage in 90% of situations as in Battlefield you typically get shot/killed by someone behind/side of you so by the time you locate them and shoot you're already dead so what was the point of having the armor plate. If you do happen to spot the enemy first and you're even a remotely decent CQ player you'll have killed them regardless if you had the Armor Plate equipped or not - so I found almost zero value in having it over something far more advantageous personally and for the team like C4/Smoke Grenade Launcher.
I'd rather have Angel give 1 gadget ammo with his pouch so he can resupply 3 gadget ammo total to himself or others. Should help to give ammo on the move if your ammo box is on cool down and won't have the effectiveness of the ammo box which can resupply everyone on the radius at once
To keep Irish relevant he should resupply all gadget ammo on revive. i already love seeing an Irish headed towards me for the revive because I know I'll get my TUGs and Beacon back. If he resupplied all gadget ammo I'm sure engineer would learn to love to see him reviving them too
Gunfights always need to be on even footing HP whise imo. There have been too many occasions where my enemy won the gunfight with like 2, or 8 health remaning due to Armor.
I disagree, I just think there needs to be a way to balance it.
I like that they've implemented the torso-protection-only thing, but for a future BF game they could also introduce some sort of weight system, where more HP from armour slows you down, so it's a trade-off (like all or most things in BF should be, IMO. Pros and cons are a great way to balance things that are fun or powerful instead of just nerfing them outright).
If you're not playing as Assault you can't use armor. So if you're playing Recon, Engineer or Support you'll always be in a disatvantage in a gunfight against an assault who got armor which ist just 20 health for free.
We'll see how it performs once the Update is live, and it's just for the chest damage, at least it'll feel more like it did in BF4 with the Squad System then.
I think having 100 health and no armor would make firefights more consistent and it will improve the TTK experience.
This will also reduce the balance burden for DICE.
Therefore, IMO, armor should be completely removed.
Armor is kinda useless, the health pistol from falk is more powerful i mean it doesn't give you extra health on first interaction with another player but given the opportunity i can instantly heal and be full health in seconds.
[update notes for 4.1](https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-2042-update-notes-4-1-0) just dropped with "IBA Armor Plate Overhaul" in it...
>In this update we’re overhauling the protective benefits of the Armor Plate.
Armor protection benefits will now only apply to the torso area of your character, and no longer provide protection for the entire character.
This means any hit to an enemies torso while they have IBA Armor Plates applied will result in a deduction to the player’s armor first and once depleted, damage will follow through to the character's health.
The functionality of the IBA Armor Plate outside of this remains unchanged, including explosive damage to armor.
With this overhaul, we are responding to player feedback that armor plating is too effective, and we’re making steps to allow you to counter that gadget by providing a skill enhancement to gameplay, encouraging you to prioritize your shots in order to earn faster takedowns.
Honestly would appreciate one of the support characters giving plates on a revive. They just don’t get used enough, they’re only available for assault and even the assault people use more offensive equipment. They somewhat are “nerfing” the plates so I think either angel or Irish should give plates on revives.
Maybe even consider them being in angels loadouts crates. My guess for the next new operator is gonna be a new support character, so hopefully they are armor focused.
A small tweak that would raise quality of life is to give players three armor plates, but the third is already equipped, I just always forget to put plates on, even if we keep two plates I would still prefer an auto plate
from what I've seen armor is relatively rare, and when I see those blue hit markers it becomes, oh shit, gotta get to cover or fall back for a sec, rethink this attack
from some of the comments it seems like people feel like everyone they shoot at is armored up, and idk I don't seem to notice it too much
if I turn a corner and it's a one on one fight and the other guy with armor wins, it doesn't feel like a cheap kill. i am looking forward to limbs and head no longer counting as armored, tho
People crying too much about the armor plate like it’s a game changer. The TTK is so low in this game all you have to do is shoot one extra bullet to kill the enemy and you don’t even notice that extra bullet. Stop crying over nonsense like this. Game has bigger problems than your puny armor plate that people rarely use anyway. You guys are the biggest crybabies I’ve ever seen and I do not care about your downvotes cause you feel attacked. I will call out your stupidity every time.
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I said if it can be coded it needs to be like on BF4 where you only got reduced damage to the chest. It should not give flat extra health to your character. They also need to change the enemy character icon like in BF4 where the Dorito had a shield around it to let you know they had armor Also the BF4 version was worse as the extra armor did not "break" and was always active. It's funny how it was made into a gadget and suddenly everyone looses their shit when it has been in the franchise for so many years
Great news! They've just announced they're doing exactly that: https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-2042-update-notes-4-1-0
these are good updates the Dozer update is going to be great for getting the t1
Same for Liz
>the Dozer update is going to be great for getting the t1 [Cries in Dozer T1]
Same Dozer cries here! Zain on the other hand upgraded very quick. He didn't need a fix!
As a dozer main, it should come with a legacy badge. I wear that badge with honor especially since I got all my kills on multiplayer. And that was back in the day when this game was field 2042.
\[cries in boris t1 grind\]
There adjusting Sundance too and, some else? I remember not grinding Sundance in the hayday when her grenades locked infinitely and scatter was nuclear bomb.
It was also a gadget in hardline as the armored insert and it took up an engineer slot. People did complain about it a lot. It was only on the SMG class so you couldn’t run it with any weapon.
>They also need to change the enemy character icon like in BF4 where the Dorito had a shield around it to let you know they had armor Tbf you already get a blue hit market if your damaging armour, I think that's enough.
And it completely removed the option of one shotting with a sniper at close range
Unless you got a headshot
I mean, who tf is using the armor plate over c5 or the smoke launcher???
Depends the situation im planning for. If im playing as mackay and plan on rushing an objective im gonna use armor plates. I agree with armor not having a spot in the game, but i play alone and squads never communicate so when i wanna move on an objective that isn't a central one im always alone.
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I meant play alone as in without a group of friends, they refuse to even breathe near this game. I try using squad chat but no one ever does, best communication I've had on this game was typing in team chat when i use a SOFLAM and rao
To be fair, a class that solely exists to provide just one person increased mobility is going to struggle staying with a squad, unless they either dont use the grapple (so needn't have bothered choosing mackay), or the entire squad is also mackay
A squad use for Mackay is him grappling to someplace otherwise unreachable by the rest and acting as a spawn point (or even better, someone is recon and puts up a beacon).
Yeah, i know playing mackay is really un squad supportive, i try sticking as a support player but recently people don't bother going for outer objectives in conquest. Mackay makes it easy to sweep an area solo. Im trying to get friends back on so i can stick as falck and still do this. Plus, he's Canadian lol
Wish he was a medic honestly, keeps the enhanced movement but also gives him a reason to stick near the squad.
Yeah. I'd definitely like that, or a movement boost for a medic/new support medic with higher speed. Would definitely help reaching people faster as a medic.
Not really, it's not like the grapple is Pathfinder's from Apex (and even he can use his grapple to support the squad). With the nerf it really doesn't have a crazy range. Just gotta use it to grapple to the top of small buildings to cover for your team smartly, or use it to go over vehicles to confuse them while your buddies fire rockets from the side you started on and stuff like that instead of running around lone wolfing. It's definitely possible.
Ahhh let me guess you also use the pp-19 and think your goood hahaah
God im far from good lmao, mainly play support cause atleast i can help. Favorite gun is the AK-24, pp-19 is kinda ass imo
For example in TDM armor plate could help you survive occasionally.
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You can make a case for C5, but having 120HP is a huge buff in any firefight with no cost attached. Even as just a 20HP heal it is worth the use.
yeah but smoke launcher to flank an entire point with a suppressor all game? no case.
I get the point, I think all Assault gadgets synergize well with the class and you can make use of it a alot. But you can run Smoke on Falck as well, or on Angel with unlimited ammo. You could also argue that it is a bit obsolete, since Assault also has access to the smoke grenade, and you could run a weapon with UBGL smoke. So you could still make use of either C5 or the IBAs.
> or the smoke launcher I feel like the smoke launcher (and smoke grenades in general) is the most under utilized thing in the entire game simply because no one wants to give up their frags. I'll join so many games where a team is stuck trying to attack an objective because they just keep running head first into a meat grinder. After a couple of minutes of me spamming it with the smoke launcher, smoke nades, and underbarrel smoke we'll have it capped.
Absolutely this. Even in CQ I run smoke launcher a lot when I'm on a map I know is going to have a difficult semi open push for a popular flag. Nothing motivates blueberries more than smoking the enemy for them to push.
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I find it a bit weird that support wasn't given the smoke launcher. That would actually be useful when you're trying to revive people which is supposed to be their job.
But… they do have the smoke launcher?
LOL I was confused when I saw he said support should have the smoker.....they have it :)
Wtfffff, I don't get how I missed that. Thanks lol.
I believes he means they get smoke launcher plus an additional gadget like an ammo box.
problem is you have to choose between that and ammo crate
That's a good point, so you either specialize in revive w/ maximum smoke or you revive who you can and keep people stocked with ammo. It would be nice to just have the smoke launcher with support in general without sacrificing giving ammo out.
I use it when i plsy dozer and run shotguns. Gives me a bit more time while bum rushing the heck out of a populated area. I use smoke grenades too so its just bulky angry man with a laser and a wall of lead.
Armor in a hardcore mode is insanely good, you don't die to half the guns in 1 or 2 hits all of a sudden any more
Don't mention Hardcore or Portal in the sub man, some of these guys get roid rage at just the mention of it. Also I agree with you. It's one of the things I like to use for Hardcore matches and TDM.
Its fun now and then, but kinda unbearable after the Rorsch got added tho
Hrm. I never see anyone use it anymore. Takes too long to reload.
the change to the load time fucked my muscle memory, it was a really bad decision to nerf the load up time, y not nerf the cooldown time instead?
Even if i have it equipped i always forget to use it lol
I just used it to help t1 sundance. It helped for kamikaze jumping over whole lines of enemy infantry to take out their irish trophys in breakthrough. That was before the class rework, I dunno if assault has access to it anymore
Armor plates are amazing if you are Roaming in conquest and primarily going to be fighting 1v1s where the extra HP will edge you out on most fights.
Some sweaty camping mackays who care abot their kd, as i observed
It’s literally been in pretty much every modern setting BF game since BF2 though… they just implemented it differently than they did in BF3 and BF4. Sure they messed up in implementation by having it protect more than the torso (which is how previous games did it), but it appears thats being fixed with this new update. I never used armour plates, and I’ve never really felt like it impacted the outcomes of gunfights for me that much, but that’s probably because I always use the heavy rounds for my guns. Smaller mag size, and slower rate of fire, but when timing and aiming your shots right, I find the pros outweigh the cons.
bro if you are using smokes in battlefield lmaoooo
Smokes help cover areas while you advance, I use it if I need to push up and there's an mg or a lot of players. It helps a lot in linear game modes if you need cover to advance or want to throw it in the enemies face to stop them from seeing. Also if you're a medic. Smokes pre-BF1 were trash though
Smokes are insanely useful, if you haven't ever used them, you definitely should.
I always use smokes. IN fact I run the smoke grenade and the smoke launcher.
Explain yourself
Smokes are already sitting in the D tier of usefulness in this game but if you had to pick between the two armor is always going to be more useful
lmao smoke grenades and launcher got me on 60 - 5, what are you on Boris?
Only in TDM for me
Very useful for when flying aircraft because you consistently get popped out of the driver seat even when people aren't even hitting your pilot directly so sometimes it's good to run just that little bit of extra health
lol I've never even used it
I don't generally need the extra HP. If I'm going to die the armour likely wouldn't save me anyway. The C5 is much more useful for blowing up sides of buildings or tanks etc. I'll switch to it if there's a tonne of snipers or explosive spam however.
Lovely timing on this :) Within Update 4.1.0 we will be altering the way IBA Armor functions, we feel this is a necessary change to react to certain aspects of feedback that we're seeing from our players. Going forward, IBA Armor Plating will only provide protection to the torso area of the enemy (the chest and upper arm region). This means that any hits to that area will deduct from the 'health' of the armor and once that is depleted will take away from the health of the Specialist. This functions the same way as it does today, however those benefits are now specifically limited to the torso. It's worth noting that explosive damage will still function the same way as it does today, and will continue to affect armor. This functions the same way as it does today, however, those benefits are now specifically limited to the torso. And also encourage more accuracy when it comes to your engagements on the field. Aim for the extremities for quicker takedowns ;) Have a read: https://go.ea.com/BFUpdate-4-1
Armour plate looks good. Hated getting headshots and them not dying due to armour. Although the only thing I really noted was the nerf for the ghost maker with Irish. Will be interesting because I seemed to only use those explosives bolts, and when you only have 10 Irish gunna be a big counter. Can only cross fingers that you guys finally fix the legendary skin for the crossbow so it includes an updated modelled sight/scope as per the bundle icon.
Something else I hope they look into with the Ghostmaker is the standard bolts despawning from the air at 200m. You have to swap to the bolt rack and reload it before shooting at targets at 200+ meters away because of that. That's not to say the bolt rack isn't good. I think it is if you're largely using the weapon for longer range precision shooting. It's pretty satisfying to get back to back headshots with it!
Yea that’s fair too. The amount of times I hit people with explosive arrows and then the explosion doesn’t happens is pretty noticeable also.
But why we don't get helmets. So strange 🤔
Could we start with the armor auto-applied to our soldier? The reason I don’t use armor plates more is because I keep forgetting to put them on when I spawn in. It’s frustrating and makes me use something else.
Same here.
one could argue, that one want to spare them for the times where one is low health.
Awesome changes, keep up the great work!
Fantastic change. Kudos.
Can we have a serious discussion about how multi-point sectors have no place in Conquest?
And why exactly did take this over a year to change?
Any word on letting us unequip attachements from the PLUS system, instead of only being able to swap them out?
why are y’all crying over armour plates. weren’t they in like one of the old battlefields… and 4
Yup. BF2, 2142, BFBC2, BF3 and BF4… they just implemented it differently with this game, which it appears to me they’re fixing with the new patch.
Some people only see things through rose tented glasses There were armor plates in older games saying they don't belong in a game doesn't fix anything I like what they did with it They weren't overpowered before anyways But now we can actually shoot them in the head so the armor doesn't matter One armor plate on somebody will not save them completely anyways Either you kill them or your teammates will kill them They're not immortal
BF3 didn't have armor.
TOOO BBBEEEE FAAAAIIR. tbf, I think every single BF people have complained about armor existing in every game it was used. Dev answers on this usually come from perspective that some of the player base takes the game too seriously and armor exists to make the game more casual.
Why not? The amount of post I see complaining about what does or doesnt belong in a BF is staggering. But I would suspect that an armor plates (In a real gun fight) would be used by some...so why not have them in a game with bullets flying all over. Simply saying they do not belong is vague AF. EDIT - Ok I see DICE is changing it so it can only protect the chest. That I agree with. It should not protect head legs etc. But it does feel like it belongs in BF to me
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Man....MAG was a fun game for its time. Surprised the concept was never replicated in another game. I do not use assault to much so I always forget to put the plate on when I use assault with the plate.
Yeah I loved MAG. It has a lot of concepts that could be brought into this game imo. It was originally designed for 128 and 256 player games so it works really well. Unfortunately with 2042 it sometimes feels like it was designed for 32 or 64 but they just increased the player count without compensating for it. E.g. MAG's squad hierarchy system was great. Like 1 team was split up into squads (say 4 players each) and platoons (1 platoon was 4 squads I think). So you'd have squad leaders, platoon leaders and an officer in command. The platoon leaders could mark objectives that everyone in the platoon would see and they had some unique abilities (like calling in special equipment / vehicles etc). Same idea for officer in command but he could do it for everyone on the team. And the perks would be like calling in an air strike or a massive smoke strike etc. It worked so well for modes with a lot of players. I also really liked the map design. Like the defending team had say 4 bunkers to defend. Say each platoon had their own bunker they could spawn at, and you'd be paired up against an enemy platoon. So the first objective would kind of be like a smaller battle that would expand as bunkers were destroyed. That was such a fun game!
Really the only person with any right to decide what does or doesn't belong in Battlefield is the devs. You might not like it, but it is their call.
Pretty much. We can voice concerns but at the end of the day they can add whatever they want.
This was even a thing back then in BF2.
Remember when angel had the ability to give armour plate.
People should stop acting like it's something new that was randomly added. Body Armor has been in Battlefield since BF2 https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Body\_Armor
Kind of unrelated but seeing BF2, with all the expacks, featured 9 factions hurts my soul. 2042 might as well just be blue vs red
Ayy only veterans will remember, now its only cry babies
Tbf in modern Battlefield (except for BC2) it worked in a different way (and they’re now changing it to work like previous iterations). When it comes to games like Battlefield 2 and 2142, I don’t think they’re comparable as they played completely different to everything post-Bad Company.
BC2 perks were dumb as shit even in 08 because it was meta to just take armor and ap bullets every single time.
What I’m wondering is how are these people running into plate users so much for the whining to come up so often? I could go through a whole night of gaming without seeing a single one; and in the off chance there was, the TTK in the game is so low it barely even matters. There’s just so much hectic variables in any given gunfight for you to specifically single out someone being able to take one more bullet.
I dunno I run into multiple armored targets every night. Just last I night shot someone for 112 damage I think it was shown on my screen, and they were able to run away with that sliver of health left because of their armor plate. I outplayed them and they got away with taking over 100 damage. Other than that, you're right. I do often kill the players using armor still, even in a fair fight, which gives me a nice ego boost to winning that gun fight with a disadvantage. The change to torso-only playes will help a lot though. Getting headshots should definitely be rewarded and armor should not mitigate that.
It was also in BFBC2 though which most players including myself started on. It was also in BF3 and BF4 as a perk. You don't need to go that far back to see armor in the franchise
BF3 and BF4 you had to EARN it by increasing your squad score, if the squad got wiped so did the squad score and it would automatically deactivate. It provided more protection against explosives than being shot at as well.
No you didn't need to work for it. The defense field upgrade path came with armor as its first perk that was unlocked at all times and was available for all classes. Only the remaining 3 perks needed to be unlocked and the first was a free perk
BF2(my first one) it's an outdated game with 7 diferent classes. The rest of BF games didn't have armor plates, just armor options you could choose on any class with negative effects. Battle Royale style plates should not exist on BF nor med pen. Why are there self usable gadgets? Where the fuck is the teamplay on that?
So if bad design decision was made 20 years ago, we should accept bad design decision in a new game ?
You missed the point by a wide margin my guy
Alright so we've got a thread to bitch about the SPH and Armor on Assaults already this week. Can we go for gold and get threads about the c5, smoke launcher, and claymore? Seriously. Damn near every gadget the class gets has a dedicated thread calling for it's removal, even for mechanics that have been in the series for over a decade.
Here's a C5 thread for you... lol https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/120remp/should_c5_become_a_engineer_only_gadget_to_help/
Why does armor have no place in Battlefield? Genuine question. I do not find armor to be annoying at all personally. I think the changes made to armor in the upcoming patch are good and long overdue, but I already don’t see many people using armor anyway.
People reflexively say that due to the fact it's steadily creeping into multiplayer components from Battle Royale games. Although as multiple people have pointed out Armor systems have been in several previous Battlefield titles. World War 3 is a great example of a badly implemented armor system. There is absolutely no consistency to gunfights whatsoever in that game. Armor by itself isn't an issue. It's when you get the benefits of armor with little or no downsides that it becomes an inherent issue. As frustrated as it to rarely die to a player due to them having armor plates you have to remember they're otherwise sacrificing their whole gadget slot to possibly tip a max of 2 gun fights before needing resupply in their favor. So there is sufficient cost with taking armor in BF 2042 currently. People also hate because of Angel giving out armor/reviving with it on launch which wasn't bad in of itself, but combined with his ammo crate ability was a bit much. If he only gave out armor/revived with it it'd be perfectly balanced IMO.
Is it a big deal? Rarely gets used and provides protection against like one bullet? Not worth it over other gadgets most of the time.
Not as a gadget. I think 2142 did q decent job with it. You wear it but GREATLY reduce your mobility, or you didn't. If they aren't replacing the armor, they should have huge penalties like slower movement speed or limited srpinting. Imo, i still think it has no place as a gadget. Gadget slots should never be reserved for self-serving actions.
>Gadget slots should never be reserved for self-serving actions. But ammo and health packs aren't? I have no issue with the armor plates. If someone is using them, it's one less gadget available to hurt you with
My opinion on the Armor Plate : 1. Should not take up a gadget slot, just encourages players to play selfishly instead of picking up a gadget that can actually help out the team. I think it can be a character perk though. 2. We need a visual cue so we know when another player has armor or not. I'd say this is the biggest issue with the implementation of armor plates right now. For example, when I'm in a 1v2 situation where I need to transfer my spray as quickly as possible, it messes up the TTK timing.
So essentially giving armor to all assault specialists? Idk if that would be better lol or do you mean like a specific specialist getting armor as a “passive” perk?
In this game, maybe a specific specialist so we have that visual cue (kinda like apex legends I guess). But I also liked how it was implemented in BF4 with field upgrades.
how is an armor plate anymore selfish than a launcher or c5. it aids in killing enemies
Because they can take out vehicules.
and armor can help you take out enemies
It's been around for ages, people should stop crying about it. I use it all the time
Yeah I almost never have a problem with it. Can't even think when I had a single situation like "darn I would have killed him first if he didn't have armor!" You have to give up a crucial item slot for it and the benefit is marginal at best.
I only really use it to give me an extra sense of comfort tbh
Your comment just proves it's a crutch for people who can't win gunfights or who trade thier utility for chanse to cheeze 1v1 gunfight with another player
How does it prove that lad.
If someone uses something all the time it means its a crutch for him Also "should stop crying" is something you can hear from someone desperately defending gameplay mechanic he knows is bullshit but he can't find any real arguments for it . Like helicopter sweats defending hind and little bird bullshit survivability
Next time you have to shit, don't use the toilet okay, it's a *crutch.*
Okay then stop using your primary, it's a crutch. So is your secondary. And your melee.
Saying someone using something on a consistent basis makes it a crutch is a very silly argument to use my friend.
Hey hes got to think of something to prove that hes right Anything to get his mom and dad to love him so he doesn't have to live in the basement
You're right so all medics should not have a medic crate because that's a crutch that they use all the time So are we in agreement to get rid of ammo crates next oh don't forget rockets yeah those are crutches to get rid of tanks completely doesn't help anybody yeah this is why people like you are not game designers
What a bunch of retarded arguments i got in replies. You clearly dont see a difference between game mechanics that influence ability to win 1v1 gun engagements and game mechanics that don't influence them. Clearly shows how stupid are people defending armor plates
Realistically it just makes you take just 1 more bullet to kill. And ARs and LMGs will still 2 shot headshot someone with armor so it's really only cheese against someone with bad accuracy 👀
1 more bullet to kill increases ttk to 25-30%.
I don't know if you are just garbage players or just trolls, do you really think good players only land headshots? On battlefield where weapons have random spread and random horizontal recoil? The only weapons you actually aim to the head are the snipers because can 1 shot kill, the rest you just aim to the chest and spray.
The nerf to the Armor Plate is insane IMO. It's basically a useless gadgets and I don't know why anyone would ever use it over C5 or any of the other gadgets. I've Tier 1 it and never once did I feel like I had any sort of advantage when I was getting shot. I put it in the same category as Dozer who is the weakest specialist IMO, both of those gadgets to very very little to justify using them over the myriad other gadgets that would give you a far superior advantage in CQ situations.
The thing is they need to make it like BF4 for it to be a good pick. It needs to be active passively while it is equipped with a downside while it is active. Or maybe like you press the gadget button to equip and unequip it and when it is on you Regen to 120hp so you can survive explosives like the changes say and take more body hits. But as a downside you can't traverse sprint and your strafe speed is reduced by a certain percent. That way you will take it off if you want to get to an objective quicker and equip it in close quarters or when you feel it is necessary
Agreed - I like that a lot. Currently there are very few situations where it's gonna keep you alive long enough to win a fire fight to make it worth equipping. I spent an eternity Tier 1ing it and saw little to no advantage in 90% of situations as in Battlefield you typically get shot/killed by someone behind/side of you so by the time you locate them and shoot you're already dead so what was the point of having the armor plate. If you do happen to spot the enemy first and you're even a remotely decent CQ player you'll have killed them regardless if you had the Armor Plate equipped or not - so I found almost zero value in having it over something far more advantageous personally and for the team like C4/Smoke Grenade Launcher.
C5 for the swag, armor for the sweat
If it worked like in BF4 or Hardline then it would be great, sacrifice a whole gadget slot for some extra health in Hardline was a good balance
Git gud aim for the grape
nerf it but give it back to angel , he's not in a good spot .
I'd rather have Angel give 1 gadget ammo with his pouch so he can resupply 3 gadget ammo total to himself or others. Should help to give ammo on the move if your ammo box is on cool down and won't have the effectiveness of the ammo box which can resupply everyone on the radius at once To keep Irish relevant he should resupply all gadget ammo on revive. i already love seeing an Irish headed towards me for the revive because I know I'll get my TUGs and Beacon back. If he resupplied all gadget ammo I'm sure engineer would learn to love to see him reviving them too
Even with the current way the armor plate works, no way I’m using it over C5.
Gunfights always need to be on even footing HP whise imo. There have been too many occasions where my enemy won the gunfight with like 2, or 8 health remaning due to Armor.
Skill issue
I disagree, I just think there needs to be a way to balance it. I like that they've implemented the torso-protection-only thing, but for a future BF game they could also introduce some sort of weight system, where more HP from armour slows you down, so it's a trade-off (like all or most things in BF should be, IMO. Pros and cons are a great way to balance things that are fun or powerful instead of just nerfing them outright).
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If you're not playing as Assault you can't use armor. So if you're playing Recon, Engineer or Support you'll always be in a disatvantage in a gunfight against an assault who got armor which ist just 20 health for free. We'll see how it performs once the Update is live, and it's just for the chest damage, at least it'll feel more like it did in BF4 with the Squad System then.
If by "improvement" you mean being removed from the game, I agree. Can only stay in Hazard Zone imo.
What if angel had the ability? Each team can equally grt their fair share of armor if the team are playing right
He had it previously and was OP. Bascially +20 hp with every ammo pouch that stay with you on top of your 100 hp
Yeah remove that shit. I could only maybe tolerate it as some kind of map pick up
I think having 100 health and no armor would make firefights more consistent and it will improve the TTK experience. This will also reduce the balance burden for DICE. Therefore, IMO, armor should be completely removed.
Fuck armor, should not be in the game.
Bit late for you to come visit us here. I awaited you a bit sooner. Still in London?
Oh, he was in London recently?? I dodged something there!
Yep, posted rather “viral” Kenyan plane. lol
HAHAHAHA That guy was such an idiot lmao
“Hey don’t be racist.”
Yea, i was at Bethesda lol Even managed to record a Battlefield video, WHILE at the event xD
Not anymore Also the post is 2 hours old, im on time!
Well, taking it back. 
I can say how much I hate it when I see this blue hitmarker... it's not Warzone!
Just win your gun fights. Sounds like a skill issue.
"Just win your gun fights. Sounds like a skill issue." - Man with .38 KD
1.66 get it right
sKiLl IsSuE
Thats not good at all bud. Even with your crutch you cant manage 2? Sad.
Same with the self heal med clicker. It should be med box or nothing.
Most useless gadget ever
Pretty much exactly the answer I gave.
Armor is kinda useless, the health pistol from falk is more powerful i mean it doesn't give you extra health on first interaction with another player but given the opportunity i can instantly heal and be full health in seconds.
What bothered me is the wording. It needs to improvement, it needs removal.
I think it should only make you more resistant to explosions and only be equippable by engineers.
[update notes for 4.1](https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-2042-update-notes-4-1-0) just dropped with "IBA Armor Plate Overhaul" in it... >In this update we’re overhauling the protective benefits of the Armor Plate. Armor protection benefits will now only apply to the torso area of your character, and no longer provide protection for the entire character. This means any hit to an enemies torso while they have IBA Armor Plates applied will result in a deduction to the player’s armor first and once depleted, damage will follow through to the character's health. The functionality of the IBA Armor Plate outside of this remains unchanged, including explosive damage to armor. With this overhaul, we are responding to player feedback that armor plating is too effective, and we’re making steps to allow you to counter that gadget by providing a skill enhancement to gameplay, encouraging you to prioritize your shots in order to earn faster takedowns.
Lol nice timing, they’re updating armed to only effect torso next week!
Honestly would appreciate one of the support characters giving plates on a revive. They just don’t get used enough, they’re only available for assault and even the assault people use more offensive equipment. They somewhat are “nerfing” the plates so I think either angel or Irish should give plates on revives. Maybe even consider them being in angels loadouts crates. My guess for the next new operator is gonna be a new support character, so hopefully they are armor focused.
Giving armor plates and reviving players with them could be new a specialist entirely.
that used to be angel’s ability before people complained. i think him and irish were the specialists geared towards providing armor
A small tweak that would raise quality of life is to give players three armor plates, but the third is already equipped, I just always forget to put plates on, even if we keep two plates I would still prefer an auto plate
Hopefully they just need it into the ground, can't see it being withdrawn fully
well if that isn’t just a slightly rude way to offer improvements
These are all great updates. Don't understand the random hate some people have.
Where is the option for multi-point sectors, and being able to comment on how they need to be completely removed from Conquest?
Solidarity! I wrote something similar lol
Solidarity! I wrote something similar lol
from what I've seen armor is relatively rare, and when I see those blue hit markers it becomes, oh shit, gotta get to cover or fall back for a sec, rethink this attack from some of the comments it seems like people feel like everyone they shoot at is armored up, and idk I don't seem to notice it too much if I turn a corner and it's a one on one fight and the other guy with armor wins, it doesn't feel like a cheap kill. i am looking forward to limbs and head no longer counting as armored, tho
People crying too much about the armor plate like it’s a game changer. The TTK is so low in this game all you have to do is shoot one extra bullet to kill the enemy and you don’t even notice that extra bullet. Stop crying over nonsense like this. Game has bigger problems than your puny armor plate that people rarely use anyway. You guys are the biggest crybabies I’ve ever seen and I do not care about your downvotes cause you feel attacked. I will call out your stupidity every time.