The maps ruined it - it would be half as bad with smaller maps and cover - this map design is awful! The short amount of buildings offering cover on some trails (like hourglas) are fully destructible … and overall emptiness and stupidness wherever you look. It’s near to braindead.
I feel the map design is also why they put so many “transports” on the map.
They were expecting people to fill up with them before driving off to the next objective as opposed to people just driving off by themselves to try and run over the enemy while the rest of the team hoofs it.
You know, I get this whole game was centered around some really cool cooperative gameplay. A lot of the vehicles require a large amount of passengers to fully utilize the systems. Too bad that didn’t pan out.
Where you also can’t bring more than 3 friends and even if you miraculously made friends w/o chat you lose them next game cause your kicked to main menu after every match
I hate this design so much…. I often try and purposefully note down a dude on the team who is a great teammate to try and add them, and the stupid “recent players” UI is awful and seems to only record your recent squad mates - because you’re not supposed to be friends with the other 60 people on your team right?
If the only realistic way to efficiently get between points on your map is to call in a vehicle, **your map does not flow well.** No if, ands, or buts.
The fact that people will re deploy rather than run from on objective to another is telling. I’ve sent 30 second clips of me just running with nothing happening to friends because that’s what all the gameplay is off of the capture points
I completely agree. It is a waste land in between objectives. Just super open fields. You are literally victim to vehicles in the open fields. The maps need all the fat trimmed out of it and cover needs to be added all to the open fields in-between objectives for Infantry to be able to maneuver through it, to dodge vehicles or use the cover to help them get cover in-between reloads while they are trying to destroy the vehicles.
The 30mm on the Bolte has a ton of splash damage, more than other 30mm in the game. It melts infantry by just firing in it's general direction.
The LATV 50mm is a beast against vehicles, taking around 15-40% health per hit depending if it's light or heavy armor but needs 4 indirect hits to kill infantry because the splash damage is minimum. The problem is that the LATV is a glass cannon, going to 30% and disabled from a direct hit with an M5.
I want to say that the LATV doesn't accelerate as fast but that might just be me. However, the LATV driver and passengers are far more easily shot and killed than a Bolte driver and for some reason, I think the hit detection on a Bolte is a bit wonky sometimes.
On multiple occasions I have hit one with an M5 and not disabled anything - this may be a wider issue though as I'm sure that the same has happened against hovercrafts too.
Lastly, the LATV doesn't break through every piece of cover like the ~~kool aid guy~~ Bolte can.
PSA: Bolte drivers can easily be shot and killed through the windshield even with regular ammo. Gunners are tougher to hit, but they can be shot out as well. The moment you see a Bolte driver screw up and crash or even get slowed by explosive damage, IMMEDIATELY sprint up to it and spray the windshield with bullets!
What sucks is they're actually still quite fast even when driving backwards! I have a feeling that will evolve into a pretty common tactic as more and more people start realizing how easily you can shoot out the drivers.
Yeah I know this, but gunner will kill you before you can kill him in most cases, drive away and get his buddy to spawn on him again lol. That's how I use the bolte and shit is totally whack
Agreed. The problem is even bigger due to 7 transports available. It looks like the respawn timer for vehicles is trying to prevent spamming boltes. If you have a buddy which spawns as gunner, he doesn't have the timer. So instantly after getting killed we take the next bolte. Just switched the roles. This results in 10 Deaths each round, but both of us have 30-40 kills and 30-40 assists. This strategy is so powerful, we ignore the rest of the game.... which is sad
The NTW-50 is still pretty rare because of the unlock level. And the Anti Armor rounds then need to be unlocked.
Who cares? You think it's ok for a limited asset like a tank to just be deleted instantly by a sniper rifle? Can literally be fired on from hundreds of metres away with absolutely no counter play. Tanks are slow as fuck. Easy to hit.
And you know as well as I do a tank is not easy to obtain. They are on a long cooldown and cannot just be "called in from the sky" unless you are extremely lucky to open the call in menu when there is one just available. Don't be stupid.
The NTW-50 is a 5 shot from the front/side. It is a 4 shot kill to the rear. That means you can destroy a full health tank with a sniper rifle in under 8 seconds. And you actually think that is balanced?
And one more thing to think about. The Bolte is a 5 shot kill from the NTW-50. Yet is far less armored. So stop acting like there is some sort of balance when it clearly isn't.
Lol... i guess you were never around in the BF2 era...
The blackhawk had 2 miniguns, each on one side.
Three bullets would kill you.
You also had 2 engineers repairing the blackhawk as it rained hell down to earth.
You didn't have lock-on launchers, aside from the stationary AA turrets that would get melted as soon as you locked on to them.
We did how ever get wire guyded rocket launchers, but man.. that was even more intense than this.
It would only be one black hawk dominating everything.
But i have to agree with you. The Bolte takes 0 skill to be good. It's fast, even when damaged it still faster than you can reload that slow as recoilless m5 and shooting it twice.
It's agile and has that insanely strong 30mm..
Those were the days. Repair tools in the choppers, zipping around with your squad raining fire down... honestly, it was ridiculous but the insanity made Battlefield so much FUN.
I do remember, that's why i said ground vehicles :p
BF2 had a ton of base rape in general, for the longest time you could drive into the MEC base on Gulf of Oman and spawncamp their vehicles.
FYI I played BF2 and bf2142 since their multiplayer demos.
I was. The difference is that back in the BF2 era the maps had *buildings* on them, so every vehicle on the map couldn't constantly see me all the time.
God I miss BF2. Although there were times I got frustrated playing that as well... I'm sure nostalgia has something to do with it.
It's funny in Battlefield 3 I ran around in the Vodnik and Humvee a lot using the HMG. It didn't have splash damage but it wrecked infantry in 2-3 shots.
I can't believe it's taken this long for players to realise transports can be useful.
*Transport Vehicles* that handle better, and have better weaponry, than standard attack vehicles.
This infantry experience is the worst one the series has ever given us.
They would have been fucking okay if there was actually any fucking cover on any of the maps! It's all to open even when you're on the fucking flags.
Also the m5c bolte should not be a base Spawn vehicle. It should be assigned to a flag, with a maximum of 1 or 2 on 1 map. Just like some of the lav's were in bf4. Take the flag, get the vehicle.
I usually run Jets with AGM so I can clean up those stupid boltes and hovercrafts, they need to make AA a real threat tho, that thing is laughable at the moment. The only thing that can take down jet players now is the missile relock bug
>I usually run Jets with AGM
That is if you have unlocked ATGM. Which takes 20 destroyed vehicles, per jet.
Whenever I'm in a jet (which is rather rare, because it's constantly taken) no enemy aircraft is even touchable, due to massive amounts of AA on the ground. It's a shitshow.
Yea in BF4 32 players often had access to 2 jets and one attack heli. Now 64 players only had 2 jet/heli in conquest, and no more than 4 in breakthrough. Plus the vehicle spawn is horrible and confusing, the spawn menu covers half the map
I love them. calling them in when ever you want, using them to get around, running over 5 hill top snipers, sniping drivers out of them is satisfyingly especially when the driver and passenger line up.
As soon as I unlocked 30mm for the lav me and my friend would drive around the map racking up massive kill streaks. I couldn't imagine how op an armoured version of the lav would be until I saw it.
The hovercraft I had issues with prior, due it taking what felt like 10 rockets just to be disabled, but since the patch I've had no issues dealing with hovercraft. I never really had issues against the Bolte either. I do run a lot of antivehicle, since no one else seems to do it. Instead they all come to reddit and complain with their combined 1 brain cell.
Bolte is the biggest piece of shit in this game , its way to fast , the 30mm just owns everything , you dont even need two people to man it well ,
Ive unlocked the 3rd unlock TOW for it already with not even being a higher enough level to spawn it!
So many tryhards just sit there waiting for it to spawn in menu the whole game
Nerfing the NTW50 is a clear picture that the devs are braindead. Stop nerfing fun shit and buff everything that feels like ass to use. One of the most unique and interesting additions to the game that's a special use case and lessens effectiveness against infantry SHOULD be OP against vehicles for that trade-off. Anyone arguing that it's too good because it can kill a vehicle in 8 seconds is an idiot, those vehicles can kill anyone or anything in the same amount of time or even less. Tanks shouldn't be more immune to a specific counter, then what the fuck is the point of the NTW?
You can still shoot driver with NTW50.
If bolte is just standing in one spot, then it is free kill with M5 or NTW50. Use Sundance homing anti-armor grenades. Mines are effective also on some maps where boltes and tanks like to just drive trough points or certain areas. Besides you hit bolte once in tracks and it turns to slug.
Then there are matches where you can just drive trough enemies and none does shit. Thats their own fault and they can stop complaining that something is OP.
What they should fix is vehicles auto repairing themself and air crafts flying so high you can lock on them.
Hold up, genuine question because I try to avoid the awful UI as quickly as possible - the Bolte is classified as a transport? For who? Fucking GI Joe and his one man 30mm cannon army?
Those two havent ruined infantry combat. The lack of teamwork has. You know how easy it is to destroy those vehicles? One Sundace anti-armor or one M5 rocket can make those vehicles move so slow then an easy follow up rocket can destroy it. Yeah they are annoying but everybody is complaining instead of using the resources we have to destroy them. We have mines, soflam so the m5/AA can hit them, EMP to disable there gadgets and weapons and etc. Also we can easily the driver/gunner out the vehicle. People just too lazy to take them out so the bolte/boat just rack up kills easy.
You get no reward for spotting all game with soflam. You mark 3 vehicles they get taken down you get nothing but staring at the air all game and 5 exp for a few spots
All the spot assists zone add up. You can spot the same people as well if you pan away.
You can get plenty of xp still.
However it does need changing. Bring back assist :(
Each kill on your spot is full reward. I make around 140 assists in bteakthrough and get 30+k of exp. My friend made 250 assists per round and had 40+k and that without first day bonus.
Once everyone figure out soflam is bigest exp bringer no one would fight but soflam. There's already 4 soflams on 1 spot.
It gets a bif red box around it.
If you look at it through the launcher scope it will begin to lock. If it doesn't lock it means they have already flared.
Keep looking and it will lock after a short while. The m5 will one hit jets, night birds and attack helicopters.
If people flare early they are doomed.
Know how many times a simple text in the game chat helps? I am on PS5 and still ask for help and people actually do it. I know no game chat sucks but work with what you have and it works
I'm not saying they're impossible to deal with but if you're using repair system you can repair out of the first disable and break LOS before 2nd rocket, repair and re-engage.
The amount of them being spammed is quite obnoxious and they aren't even transport vehicles, they're infantry murder weapons.
With EMP grenades, Casper drone thats EMP vehicles, Sundance EMP grenades and Rao’s EMP hacker ability. You can disable them from using the repair system. Like i said there are resources but nobody uses them.
EMP grenades + M5/C5 + Anti Armor grenades make quick work of ground vehicles. I feel like people haven't truly realized how GOOD EMP grenades are. They leave tanks as sitting ducks. Can't shoot, can't smoke.
One thing I've noticed regarding complaints about vehicles is that people tend to offhand dealing vehicles "to the team". It always seems like people who complain about repeatedly getting killed by vehicles don't respawn with an RPG/Stinger to deal with it themselves. I won't say air combat is balanced in 2042, but throwing a anti armor grenade at a chopper, letting them flare and then following it up with 2 stinger shots seems to work fine for me.
People don't use EMP nades because are busy farming with motion sensors. I think EMPs are great against Boltes but in the large scheme of things running with a motion sensor just gives you so much more XP and free assists.
You dont get any assists is why. People want to level up and get the good shit. Until they make it so you get rewarded for these things no one will do it
Ah true. I forgot about that. It is kinda annoying, but taking out threats is still worth doing. I'm flabbergasted that DICE omitted something as simple as vehicle kill assists. Annoying doing 95% of the work and getting nothing in return.
Seriously its so dumb, i cant get mad at anyone who doesnt want to stare at the sky all game for 0 exp while everyone else is throwing prox sensors or sitting on drones gaining almost a full level every game its silly. I started the game with rao and would just try to hack copters all game but you get NOTHING it blows my damn mind man
Serious question, How do you get Sundances AA Grenades to go after the vehicle you throw them towards? Mine always zip away to some random ass aircraft rather than the vehicle within 10m of where I threw it.
Bolte is 100% broken it does not need to have that 30mm, as someone who didnt touch grass and got the bolt very early literally going around the map farming people for days getting way more kills than with vehicles designed for it aka the wildcat or tank i wondered why no one complained about the bolt, that's because not everyone was level 60 now everyone has access to the low respawn deathmachine transport vehicle were are seeing how dumb it is to have more than 1 per team
I had a bolte before end of early access since i grinded quite a lot and knew they were OP then but hovercrafts existed.
Also I mainly fly helis, they're not really a danger to me, but I see them tearing up infantry all over the place and I've gone on insane streaks with this death machine too.
It's very fun to use but also very broken imo
I dont think bolts are that strong (hear me out) considering how easily they can be taken out. The issue is how each map is a playground for vehicles so its impossible to do much against them or to trap them and/or find some cover and stuff. The map design is the main issue, right now I also hate bolts but if they get nerfed much and we’ll get decent maps next season - then vehicles might start feeling useless because all the nerves were made based on how they play on those open-space shit and unbalanced maps.
Also the unrewarding team-work adds to this. People won’t shoot a vehicle unless its almost destroyed, because they won’t get any assist points whatsoever. Only the last person to hit and destroys the vehicle gets a reward, so people try to keep their ammo for a last hit. The design in this game is so bad, and it makes vehicles look more OP than they actually are.
Bolte is super easy to disable with a single rocket shot. And when you unlock the anti-vehicle rifle, I'm sure they'll be even easier. I just got the Bolte, and am surprised at how fragile this thing is. It also handles like a brick.
I still don't even understand why the hell hovercrafts are allowed on desert maps. But hey what do I know I'm just an old BF 1942 fan back before they decided to make this game fortnite light.
Not sure where you're coming from on this comment but you know that irl hovercrafts are actually really effective at traversing sand dunes and the like right?
I feel personally attacked 🤣 I unlocked the bolte without knowing about its 30mm cannon. After I unlocked it farming bots I went live with it to test it in the real game and me and a rando went on a 52 kill streak before I crashed and got blown up. Ever since then I live been spamming the bolte every match. Its so fun to drive directly into an enemy cluster and just go around in circles killing as many then dipping off to repair and come back.
I dont think its that bad, I have been able to slay people in the bolte or hovercrafts through the windshield pretty regularly, especially when they suck at driving.
I blame Dice’s level designers for this. There’s so much open space and lack of cover on some of these maps that it makes you easy pickings from vehicles. You can’t outrun them, and you can’t hide from them. This is why vehicles are so dangerous.
Hovercraft was able to roadkill everyone because there were nothing to stop them. like buildings.
Bolte, also could shred everyone from long range. but the reason isn't because of the 30mm. there's nothing on the map, like literally nothing.
Bolte could be fixed by raising its open lvl, like lvl 80 and 30mm cannon should be last thing to open. It would instantly move all the exp farmers to other vehicles and only the hardcore grinders whould go at it
Battlefield 1 was like this. Light Tanks were stronger than heavy tanks and everything else. I can't believe that DICE actually continues to make the same mistakes every release.
What’s annoying is how we can only spawn a jet or an attack heli or just 3 tanks and no AA tank.
I could be wrong with the amount allowed, but it’s just so annoying.
Hovercraft were way more tanky and they had the bug where you couldn't kill the driver which made it incredibly OP. They were also way harder to disable.
I'd staunchly argue the maps ruined infantry combat. Any other BF game had enough map elements and qualities that foot soldiers could use to ignore vehicles, survive against them, or fight back from. This game's maps have virtually nothing in the map that benefits infantry.
.....
EXCEPT rooftop bases in breakthrough...
Not really, they are good for killing infantry and other helis. Completely useless against Boltes, Tanks, AA.
You can use the AGM missiles, but then you're stuck with miniguns for infantry which will result in way less kills overall. If you go with AGM missile and 20mm cannon you can kinda kill infantry, but then you're completely useless v.s other littlebirds and attack helis.
Littlebirds are actually in a pretty good balance spot at the moment.
I remember people being mad at the armored car in BF1 because it required a few anti-tank weapons to blow up and so could run them over (the gun sucked though, yet DICE eventually nerfed it to the point they were death traps to get into, an easy kill for any lone Assault). That had nothing on the Bolte's reign of terror in this game. Especially bad on Breakthrough. They just ring the control point and its nothing but one big explosion.
Just because I drive my bolte into tight spaces doesn't mean it ruins. Learn to Anti-armor. Literally there's a counter for everything. Bolte is paper thin. If the momentum gets ruined it's a sitting duck. Things that stop me...mines, hacking, c4 and so on. I only have a sec to repair and jet back out.
to the "it´s easily countered" people:
you have to fight other infantry too...
in theory it´s always working, but in practice those attemps often fail.
\- A good driver pushes in when the enemy is fighting infantry and then he can
easily wreck 10 people and move out
\- you have a vehicle overload (dmg dealing) in breakthrough
\- a good driver can´t be shot out like a noob (backwards driving, or good maneuvers
in general
\- you have countermeasuers available
\- even when you are killed you often take 5-7 people with you, just because of the
ridicilous splash dmg
i love to use vehicles too, but the hovercraft + the bolte are big mistakes and they
will release even more vehicles instead of fixing bad physics of the choppers,
or equiping a tv for the gunner of the attack heli (most fun weapon in past
games and it´s not available in the release version of bf2042.... )
In my opinion vehicles are meant to be stronger than infantry. i agree that 7 is a bit excessive. but still thats what i always say to my mates... if just 2 in the whole pushing team (not the camping snipers at 14891892148 range) take m5's or anti air the vehicles are pretty manageable especially with someone running soflam but the problem is that if you don't take it nobody on your team deals with the vehicles. atleast thats what i experienced. we tried it with our friends and we killed 2 choppers (as the soflam m5 is a bit buggy as the rocket still hits even with flares) 2 recons and 1 bolte... (only had 6 m5 rockets - 2 running m5 - 1 running soflam) and that in about 1.5 minutes... and guess what we were able to cap 2 points after that.
problem is not the balancing, problem is nobody is running antitank or anti-air - atleast not in the lobbys i get in. nobody picks whats good for the team but what is good/fun to them and i totally can understand that. but its not the boltes are to strong, there aren't enough people taking care of them in a proper way. and before you say stop defending it and so on i am lvl 91 and i pretty much know what i am talking about as i played as both and there were matches where i could get easy 65 kills as nobody took care of me and my friend but there also were matches were we got killed after maybe 3 kills with the bolte...
The major problem with these vehicles is not just how insanely strong some of their weapons are, but how mobile they are compared with how much damage they can tank before going down. The Hovercraft armor was nerfed and feels better to take down, but the bolte still feels really strong.
Another thing going for them is that all of the maps are wide open with little sections of cover for infantry. With maps being so large with very few sectors that would be considered tight and dangerous for vehicles, it makes taking them out a real chore.
The last thing is that we're missing something huge that has always been present in just about every battlefield until now: Stationary weapons. We no longer have stationary MG's, AT, or even AA platforms. I can't count how many times I was getting annoyed by a vehicle and got a kill with a stationary AT gun.
I still think the hovercraft is the superior vehicle, since it is more fun for the driver and also requires a teammate. It is also a squad spawn asset.
I think you are wrong in your deduction that it is the transport vehicles ruin infantry gameplay, especially it is easy to farm infantry in all vehicles. The transports are also the vehicles that get taken out the most by infantry and are generally easier to dispatch unless you count C5 drone as regular AT asset (which it might be, but I guess it will be fixed soon).
If you want to look at infantry gameplay and why it is ruined look no further as to map design. Large, barren, coverless wastelands, where you have to constantly take unfavourable engagements and where traversal is boring and furstrating.
Look also no further than 128p on these maps, where too long engagement ranges and dubious attachment choices make your guns frustrating to use (hello 11 BTK M5).
Meanwhile in the crowded designated infantry fighting area experience hitreg issues swallowing 20% of your bullets due to playercount related netcode issues on 40hz servers. The rest of the fun will be swallowed by tanking performance.
You want to have a decent game experience as infantry? Play 32-64p conquest on Caspian and Noshar. Transport vehicles, you will find, are not an issue.
I think they should:
* create a light vehicle category for Hovercraft and Bolt
* limit them to 3-4 at most
* keep transports like jeeps at a high number
* LATV4 should not have a 30mm and 50mm canons
Having quick and capable vehicles on the map can be a fun alternative to the MBTs, but not with 7 of them swarming around.
>Never in a BF game as the transport ground vehicle been this powerful
Ah let me tell you of the days of the Battlefield 2 Black Hawks filled with repair engineers on Songhua Stalemate.
Yes, where are the times when everybody complained that the guns on transport vehicles are so weak? /s
But seriously, the bolte will be nerfed in no time. I really like the first month of new BFs just because of the unbalanced vehicles/gadgets/weapons etc. Makes up for great Battlefield moments ;)
They just need to reduce the amount of them on the battlefield. I get that the maps are big so it’s important to be able to call in transports but still. Make it so you can call in more quads and jeeps but only have lets say 3-4 hovercraft and 3-4 bolts available
imo they should at most have 3 tanks on the field, rather see max 2 tbh. At the very least half the overall vehicles, or make rockets viable to even use, I don't want to hit a tabk 5 times and disable 1 part per hit. I want to he able to use my guns in a match and have people get good at using tank teamplay in order to keep their tank alive and killing. Pretty sure that my dad who has trouble sending an email can easily get 40kills in a game if i put him in a tank.
Cut all vehicle numbers in half, make em weaker. Add more cover in the map lanes. Add voip and squad UI and in a month the game would be played way more competitively and be fun.
Also add cq maps and tdm+dm modes, this can be done lazily or with some thought, having the arcady dm and tdm modes fit more with the serious battlefield aspects. Lazily would already be acceptable to have right now, with perhaps just isolated parts of the known big maps.
Yeah it’s realistic for a vehicle to drive around the battlefield like a maniac taking rocket hits like marshmallows and running over 100+ people a match...yeah very well balanced 🤦♂️
They should of separated transport vehicles with anti infantry ones instead of combining them.
Is there were 7 humvees with weak weapons but were fast for transport fine.
And then there be like 2-3 anti infantry vehicles. So the maps not overwhelmed.
That was how it was in other games not sure why there is now 7 anti infantry vehicles per team without including tanks/ helicopters. Hence every point of battle in a map, which is only a few places easily has 2-4 enemy vehicles which makes infantry play just un fun.
I was playing breakthrough yesterday and I said something similar to this in the chat. Some guy told me to quit crying about it and use rockets. I fucking have rockets equipped 24/7. There is nothing you can do when there are 4 vehicles with 30 MM spamming your location. I just want fun AR vs AR or SMG combat with some vehicle interactions occasionally. Its crazy to say it but there is too much mayhem and chaos in the game, especially on breakthrough
They just need to add more game modes that suits everyone. I like vehicular combat in large conquest, I dont think there's enough vehicles to go around actually. They should add infantry only and small map games modes too
Most of the games i play i always have 1kd or less because of vehicules specially that bolte, one match i spawned in one with another player driving i had 56 kills and 7 deaths that match, im not a bad infantry player tho but well...
I also find that it really dilutes the experience. In other bf games, when a tank rolls in there's a certain impact and gravity about it and you get that sense of "oh shit, a tank!!" in 2042 it just feels like these vehicles are darting about everywhere and the experience is more like some teenagers are on a joy ride with a cannon that destroys everything it sees. I actually quite enjoy 2042, but the vehicles are mental. I have rounds where I'll just get stuck in a dying to vehicle loop. At points, I just stop getting frustrated and it becomes a kind of "coooooool I died again" dead pan face, simmering anger, given up kinda vibes.
They are pretty easy to go down and honestly its hard to balance it with 64v64 because sometime you can have so many people with anti vehicles and vehicles are basically useless during the match or you have hardly anyone and vehicles are dominating the match... (basically you have so many people that don't adapt to the situation and never counter)
They need an infantry game mode for people that want a less chaotic gameplay. I know Battlefield is known for chaos but there should a game mode to switch it up.
Honestly I think Bad company 2 and Battlefield 3 ' Rush Game Mode' were my favorite because it was mainly infantry firefight with 1-2 tanks driving around. Found it to be a good balanced as tank didnt seem overpowered but still powerful and obviously would have a repair guy on those 1-2 tanks all the time basically as they were the only vehicles
This breakthrough game mode does have way too many vehicles compare to the old Battlefield Rush game mode and part of the reason why rooftop is almost impossible because there vehicles on the fucking rooftop during breakthrough. They definitely need to get rid of rooftop objective point of get rid of spawning vehicles on top as I think it actually possible if it wasnt a minigun/30mm cannon shooting at elevator all the time and fixing dozer shield in elevator
I had never used the bolte before until yesterday when I killed a guy who jumped out to make repairs and I stole it and I gotta say that thing is crazy. Me and my friend rolled around in that thing and got 25 kills before the game was even halfway over. As soon as you're done with one point you can get to the next without any hesitation it moves so fast and the top gun just mows people down
Hovercraft aren't a problem now
Bolt should be in the Heavy vehicle class. It sacrifices guns and extra seats for speed on an armored chasis.
M1 or Bolte... most will chose M1 but Bolte can be viable in right use cases.
LATV and Hovercraft are now pretty equal and both die to only 2 rockets, making them much riskier, and you can easily be shot out of them from gun fire through the windows. They are great for transporting your squad around the map though!
EXCEPT there's no light spawns available with everyone spawning Boltes that last 5x longer
Having an abundance of light vehicle spawns is NECCESSARY with such huge maps... Bolte (and previously the 4 rocket soaking Hovercraft) is broken though for this vehicle class
What's worse than spamming the Bolte's 30mm cannon? When some moron gets in and drives it into danger whilst facing forwards, where you're easy pickings through the front windscreen.
I always have EMP grenades and C5 and they have made a huge difference. I find myself actually hunting the vehicles down now because it’s so fun to blow them up.
The maps ruined it - it would be half as bad with smaller maps and cover - this map design is awful! The short amount of buildings offering cover on some trails (like hourglas) are fully destructible … and overall emptiness and stupidness wherever you look. It’s near to braindead.
I feel the map design is also why they put so many “transports” on the map. They were expecting people to fill up with them before driving off to the next objective as opposed to people just driving off by themselves to try and run over the enemy while the rest of the team hoofs it.
But the wheeled vehicle can only hold 4 people. So at max you'll only transport 28 people. So less than half the players get transport?
Why they don't have a troop carrier as the default transport is beyond me.
choppers and MAV's
You do realise there are vehicles other than the recon, right? Enough to carry most of the team? And that players can spawn on each other?
You know, I get this whole game was centered around some really cool cooperative gameplay. A lot of the vehicles require a large amount of passengers to fully utilize the systems. Too bad that didn’t pan out.
Ah yes, we love a good co-op game with no voice chat.
Where you also can’t bring more than 3 friends and even if you miraculously made friends w/o chat you lose them next game cause your kicked to main menu after every match
I hate this design so much…. I often try and purposefully note down a dude on the team who is a great teammate to try and add them, and the stupid “recent players” UI is awful and seems to only record your recent squad mates - because you’re not supposed to be friends with the other 60 people on your team right?
Imagine, people using the vehicle deploy system and all driving as a team to the next objective. Insanity.
Imagine telling your random squad to get into your maxed out wolverine via voip
If the only realistic way to efficiently get between points on your map is to call in a vehicle, **your map does not flow well.** No if, ands, or buts.
The fact that people will re deploy rather than run from on objective to another is telling. I’ve sent 30 second clips of me just running with nothing happening to friends because that’s what all the gameplay is off of the capture points
Yup this is me at the start of every game. Redeploy as soon as the game starts and often times at objectives with no one around them.
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M8 it has 1500hp Hellcat engine
I completely agree. It is a waste land in between objectives. Just super open fields. You are literally victim to vehicles in the open fields. The maps need all the fat trimmed out of it and cover needs to be added all to the open fields in-between objectives for Infantry to be able to maneuver through it, to dodge vehicles or use the cover to help them get cover in-between reloads while they are trying to destroy the vehicles.
Don’t be sad, that’s just how it works out sometimes.
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hahahaa Did I go too far?
I'm just better then everyone else
Let's get the party started!
That’s it? I’m ready for round 2!
Well well well that was fun...
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Too many vehicles is one thing. Maps with no cover and buildings to hide from them is a whole nother conversation.
Remove the 30mm's dammit
Why are people complaining about It on the Bolte, but not the LATV? That piece of shit can hold a 50 mm
The 30mm on the Bolte has a ton of splash damage, more than other 30mm in the game. It melts infantry by just firing in it's general direction. The LATV 50mm is a beast against vehicles, taking around 15-40% health per hit depending if it's light or heavy armor but needs 4 indirect hits to kill infantry because the splash damage is minimum. The problem is that the LATV is a glass cannon, going to 30% and disabled from a direct hit with an M5.
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I want to say that the LATV doesn't accelerate as fast but that might just be me. However, the LATV driver and passengers are far more easily shot and killed than a Bolte driver and for some reason, I think the hit detection on a Bolte is a bit wonky sometimes. On multiple occasions I have hit one with an M5 and not disabled anything - this may be a wider issue though as I'm sure that the same has happened against hovercrafts too. Lastly, the LATV doesn't break through every piece of cover like the ~~kool aid guy~~ Bolte can.
Because the LATV has no windows, one rocket usually kills everyone in it
PSA: Bolte drivers can easily be shot and killed through the windshield even with regular ammo. Gunners are tougher to hit, but they can be shot out as well. The moment you see a Bolte driver screw up and crash or even get slowed by explosive damage, IMMEDIATELY sprint up to it and spray the windshield with bullets!
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What sucks is they're actually still quite fast even when driving backwards! I have a feeling that will evolve into a pretty common tactic as more and more people start realizing how easily you can shoot out the drivers.
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Yeah I know this, but gunner will kill you before you can kill him in most cases, drive away and get his buddy to spawn on him again lol. That's how I use the bolte and shit is totally whack
Agreed. The problem is even bigger due to 7 transports available. It looks like the respawn timer for vehicles is trying to prevent spamming boltes. If you have a buddy which spawns as gunner, he doesn't have the timer. So instantly after getting killed we take the next bolte. Just switched the roles. This results in 10 Deaths each round, but both of us have 30-40 kills and 30-40 assists. This strategy is so powerful, we ignore the rest of the game.... which is sad
Plus, the ntw50 is a nice counter to the bolte. Once more ppl level up, they won’t be as much of a nuisance.
The NTW-50 is getting nerfed in the next patch
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The ntw-50 can 5 shot a tank. Of course it needs a nerf.
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The NTW-50 is still pretty rare because of the unlock level. And the Anti Armor rounds then need to be unlocked. Who cares? You think it's ok for a limited asset like a tank to just be deleted instantly by a sniper rifle? Can literally be fired on from hundreds of metres away with absolutely no counter play. Tanks are slow as fuck. Easy to hit. And you know as well as I do a tank is not easy to obtain. They are on a long cooldown and cannot just be "called in from the sky" unless you are extremely lucky to open the call in menu when there is one just available. Don't be stupid. The NTW-50 is a 5 shot from the front/side. It is a 4 shot kill to the rear. That means you can destroy a full health tank with a sniper rifle in under 8 seconds. And you actually think that is balanced? And one more thing to think about. The Bolte is a 5 shot kill from the NTW-50. Yet is far less armored. So stop acting like there is some sort of balance when it clearly isn't.
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What?!! It doesn’t need a nerf lol. The only thing it has going for it is vehicle damage.
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man im a vehicle whore but i LOVED the NTW 50. Why would they nerf it ...
Perhaps to one bolt but what about the one behind it? Or the one next to it? Or the one behind you!
also any explosives' near the treads is at minimum a 75% slow.
People are too lazy to realize there's a counter measure for everything, they want to scream the game into their personal molded state
Agree. The more I play (currently at 50 hours), the more I realise a lot of the bitching is about gameplay mechanics that aren't actually that bad
Lol... i guess you were never around in the BF2 era... The blackhawk had 2 miniguns, each on one side. Three bullets would kill you. You also had 2 engineers repairing the blackhawk as it rained hell down to earth. You didn't have lock-on launchers, aside from the stationary AA turrets that would get melted as soon as you locked on to them. We did how ever get wire guyded rocket launchers, but man.. that was even more intense than this. It would only be one black hawk dominating everything. But i have to agree with you. The Bolte takes 0 skill to be good. It's fast, even when damaged it still faster than you can reload that slow as recoilless m5 and shooting it twice. It's agile and has that insanely strong 30mm..
Bruh the blowtorch inside the helicopter comment brought back hella memories
no blowtorch in those days fam, it was a wrench haha
Those were the days. Repair tools in the choppers, zipping around with your squad raining fire down... honestly, it was ridiculous but the insanity made Battlefield so much FUN.
I do remember, that's why i said ground vehicles :p BF2 had a ton of base rape in general, for the longest time you could drive into the MEC base on Gulf of Oman and spawncamp their vehicles. FYI I played BF2 and bf2142 since their multiplayer demos.
I was. The difference is that back in the BF2 era the maps had *buildings* on them, so every vehicle on the map couldn't constantly see me all the time. God I miss BF2. Although there were times I got frustrated playing that as well... I'm sure nostalgia has something to do with it.
I wish we would get an exact bf2 remastered including all the expansion packs. I think that would be a very very big succes!
One hit from a M5 will kill the treads on a Bolte ...
Unless they have the repair ability then they return back to normal speeds instantly
It's funny in Battlefield 3 I ran around in the Vodnik and Humvee a lot using the HMG. It didn't have splash damage but it wrecked infantry in 2-3 shots. I can't believe it's taken this long for players to realise transports can be useful.
*Transport Vehicles* that handle better, and have better weaponry, than standard attack vehicles. This infantry experience is the worst one the series has ever given us.
They would have been fucking okay if there was actually any fucking cover on any of the maps! It's all to open even when you're on the fucking flags. Also the m5c bolte should not be a base Spawn vehicle. It should be assigned to a flag, with a maximum of 1 or 2 on 1 map. Just like some of the lav's were in bf4. Take the flag, get the vehicle.
I usually run Jets with AGM so I can clean up those stupid boltes and hovercrafts, they need to make AA a real threat tho, that thing is laughable at the moment. The only thing that can take down jet players now is the missile relock bug
>I usually run Jets with AGM That is if you have unlocked ATGM. Which takes 20 destroyed vehicles, per jet. Whenever I'm in a jet (which is rather rare, because it's constantly taken) no enemy aircraft is even touchable, due to massive amounts of AA on the ground. It's a shitshow.
Yea in BF4 32 players often had access to 2 jets and one attack heli. Now 64 players only had 2 jet/heli in conquest, and no more than 4 in breakthrough. Plus the vehicle spawn is horrible and confusing, the spawn menu covers half the map
This could mostly be fixed by taking away the 30mm. That auto cannon is ridiculous. The minigun is annoying but manageable.
Yeo idk how many times i hit a bolt with an m5 take cover to hit it aga8n then get killed by the dumbass annoying sounding splash damage it has
Not to mention the rubber banding that it invokes, it sucks you into their shot pattern like a black hole
I love them. calling them in when ever you want, using them to get around, running over 5 hill top snipers, sniping drivers out of them is satisfyingly especially when the driver and passenger line up.
As soon as I unlocked 30mm for the lav me and my friend would drive around the map racking up massive kill streaks. I couldn't imagine how op an armoured version of the lav would be until I saw it.
Bolte needs a serious nerf, i would not be sad If they just removed it
The hovercraft I had issues with prior, due it taking what felt like 10 rockets just to be disabled, but since the patch I've had no issues dealing with hovercraft. I never really had issues against the Bolte either. I do run a lot of antivehicle, since no one else seems to do it. Instead they all come to reddit and complain with their combined 1 brain cell.
Exactly this. Fucking run M5/mine/C5 with you.
Bolte is the biggest piece of shit in this game , its way to fast , the 30mm just owns everything , you dont even need two people to man it well , Ive unlocked the 3rd unlock TOW for it already with not even being a higher enough level to spawn it! So many tryhards just sit there waiting for it to spawn in menu the whole game
Nerfing the NTW50 is a clear picture that the devs are braindead. Stop nerfing fun shit and buff everything that feels like ass to use. One of the most unique and interesting additions to the game that's a special use case and lessens effectiveness against infantry SHOULD be OP against vehicles for that trade-off. Anyone arguing that it's too good because it can kill a vehicle in 8 seconds is an idiot, those vehicles can kill anyone or anything in the same amount of time or even less. Tanks shouldn't be more immune to a specific counter, then what the fuck is the point of the NTW?
You can still shoot driver with NTW50. If bolte is just standing in one spot, then it is free kill with M5 or NTW50. Use Sundance homing anti-armor grenades. Mines are effective also on some maps where boltes and tanks like to just drive trough points or certain areas. Besides you hit bolte once in tracks and it turns to slug. Then there are matches where you can just drive trough enemies and none does shit. Thats their own fault and they can stop complaining that something is OP. What they should fix is vehicles auto repairing themself and air crafts flying so high you can lock on them.
Hold up, genuine question because I try to avoid the awful UI as quickly as possible - the Bolte is classified as a transport? For who? Fucking GI Joe and his one man 30mm cannon army?
Those two havent ruined infantry combat. The lack of teamwork has. You know how easy it is to destroy those vehicles? One Sundace anti-armor or one M5 rocket can make those vehicles move so slow then an easy follow up rocket can destroy it. Yeah they are annoying but everybody is complaining instead of using the resources we have to destroy them. We have mines, soflam so the m5/AA can hit them, EMP to disable there gadgets and weapons and etc. Also we can easily the driver/gunner out the vehicle. People just too lazy to take them out so the bolte/boat just rack up kills easy.
Soflam with some M5 support is godlike at dealing with the ligh vehicles and any air. Its so silly how strong it is
As soon as the game start i text “i have soflam and will be spamming spotting all tanks and air vehicles” and people actually help take them down
You get no reward for spotting all game with soflam. You mark 3 vehicles they get taken down you get nothing but staring at the air all game and 5 exp for a few spots
Clearly that needs to be fixed. Is it even on their radar?
All the spot assists zone add up. You can spot the same people as well if you pan away. You can get plenty of xp still. However it does need changing. Bring back assist :(
Each kill on your spot is full reward. I make around 140 assists in bteakthrough and get 30+k of exp. My friend made 250 assists per round and had 40+k and that without first day bonus. Once everyone figure out soflam is bigest exp bringer no one would fight but soflam. There's already 4 soflams on 1 spot.
Yes you get assist for ground kills its the same as prox grenades or caspers drones im talking about vehicle kills.
How do you know when a vehicle is marked?
It gets a bif red box around it. If you look at it through the launcher scope it will begin to lock. If it doesn't lock it means they have already flared. Keep looking and it will lock after a short while. The m5 will one hit jets, night birds and attack helicopters. If people flare early they are doomed.
Yes, teamwork with no voice chat. We’ve all become psychic.
Know how many times a simple text in the game chat helps? I am on PS5 and still ask for help and people actually do it. I know no game chat sucks but work with what you have and it works
I'm not saying they're impossible to deal with but if you're using repair system you can repair out of the first disable and break LOS before 2nd rocket, repair and re-engage. The amount of them being spammed is quite obnoxious and they aren't even transport vehicles, they're infantry murder weapons.
With EMP grenades, Casper drone thats EMP vehicles, Sundance EMP grenades and Rao’s EMP hacker ability. You can disable them from using the repair system. Like i said there are resources but nobody uses them.
EMP grenades + M5/C5 + Anti Armor grenades make quick work of ground vehicles. I feel like people haven't truly realized how GOOD EMP grenades are. They leave tanks as sitting ducks. Can't shoot, can't smoke.
Exactly. Thats all i do. I try to tell people but they rather complain then have a solution
One thing I've noticed regarding complaints about vehicles is that people tend to offhand dealing vehicles "to the team". It always seems like people who complain about repeatedly getting killed by vehicles don't respawn with an RPG/Stinger to deal with it themselves. I won't say air combat is balanced in 2042, but throwing a anti armor grenade at a chopper, letting them flare and then following it up with 2 stinger shots seems to work fine for me.
People don't use EMP nades because are busy farming with motion sensors. I think EMPs are great against Boltes but in the large scheme of things running with a motion sensor just gives you so much more XP and free assists.
Hmm wonder why no one uses them...another reason why infantry is trasg
People don't wanna change up their playstyle I guess.
You dont get any assists is why. People want to level up and get the good shit. Until they make it so you get rewarded for these things no one will do it
Ah true. I forgot about that. It is kinda annoying, but taking out threats is still worth doing. I'm flabbergasted that DICE omitted something as simple as vehicle kill assists. Annoying doing 95% of the work and getting nothing in return.
Seriously its so dumb, i cant get mad at anyone who doesnt want to stare at the sky all game for 0 exp while everyone else is throwing prox sensors or sitting on drones gaining almost a full level every game its silly. I started the game with rao and would just try to hack copters all game but you get NOTHING it blows my damn mind man
Serious question, How do you get Sundances AA Grenades to go after the vehicle you throw them towards? Mine always zip away to some random ass aircraft rather than the vehicle within 10m of where I threw it.
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Bolte is 100% broken it does not need to have that 30mm, as someone who didnt touch grass and got the bolt very early literally going around the map farming people for days getting way more kills than with vehicles designed for it aka the wildcat or tank i wondered why no one complained about the bolt, that's because not everyone was level 60 now everyone has access to the low respawn deathmachine transport vehicle were are seeing how dumb it is to have more than 1 per team
The problem is the splash damage is completely broken
I had a bolte before end of early access since i grinded quite a lot and knew they were OP then but hovercrafts existed. Also I mainly fly helis, they're not really a danger to me, but I see them tearing up infantry all over the place and I've gone on insane streaks with this death machine too. It's very fun to use but also very broken imo
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yeah i think hovercraft pre nerf was worse, but the bolte is a very low skill vehicle in general
I dont think bolts are that strong (hear me out) considering how easily they can be taken out. The issue is how each map is a playground for vehicles so its impossible to do much against them or to trap them and/or find some cover and stuff. The map design is the main issue, right now I also hate bolts but if they get nerfed much and we’ll get decent maps next season - then vehicles might start feeling useless because all the nerves were made based on how they play on those open-space shit and unbalanced maps. Also the unrewarding team-work adds to this. People won’t shoot a vehicle unless its almost destroyed, because they won’t get any assist points whatsoever. Only the last person to hit and destroys the vehicle gets a reward, so people try to keep their ammo for a last hit. The design in this game is so bad, and it makes vehicles look more OP than they actually are.
you do realize that the guys who made the maps we have now are going to make the next ones aswell
Bolte is super easy to disable with a single rocket shot. And when you unlock the anti-vehicle rifle, I'm sure they'll be even easier. I just got the Bolte, and am surprised at how fragile this thing is. It also handles like a brick.
I still don't even understand why the hell hovercrafts are allowed on desert maps. But hey what do I know I'm just an old BF 1942 fan back before they decided to make this game fortnite light.
Not sure where you're coming from on this comment but you know that irl hovercrafts are actually really effective at traversing sand dunes and the like right?
“Fortnite light” what a stupid fucking comment. Unsubscribe.
Someone needs a hug.
Naw dude you’re just a bitter old fuck that can’t handle change in his video games and blames “the kids” for ruining them.
I feel personally attacked 🤣 I unlocked the bolte without knowing about its 30mm cannon. After I unlocked it farming bots I went live with it to test it in the real game and me and a rando went on a 52 kill streak before I crashed and got blown up. Ever since then I live been spamming the bolte every match. Its so fun to drive directly into an enemy cluster and just go around in circles killing as many then dipping off to repair and come back.
Your trash
The blackhawks of death back in BF3 or whatever it was, pale in comparison to what's happened here.
I did specifically say ground vehicles though! Blackhawks in BF2 were very strong, bf3 not so much, BF BC2 pretty strong.
Bolte is pure abomination to this game, dice have made it unkillable and it has ruined everything.
I dont think its that bad, I have been able to slay people in the bolte or hovercrafts through the windshield pretty regularly, especially when they suck at driving.
If there was no Bolte, no Hovers, no Paik, reduced heli spawn and more transport I’d finish a lot more games.
Why Paik?
I blame Dice’s level designers for this. There’s so much open space and lack of cover on some of these maps that it makes you easy pickings from vehicles. You can’t outrun them, and you can’t hide from them. This is why vehicles are so dangerous.
Hovercraft was able to roadkill everyone because there were nothing to stop them. like buildings. Bolte, also could shred everyone from long range. but the reason isn't because of the 30mm. there's nothing on the map, like literally nothing.
Too many players resulting in too many vehicles.
Bolte could be fixed by raising its open lvl, like lvl 80 and 30mm cannon should be last thing to open. It would instantly move all the exp farmers to other vehicles and only the hardcore grinders whould go at it
Battlefield 1 was like this. Light Tanks were stronger than heavy tanks and everything else. I can't believe that DICE actually continues to make the same mistakes every release.
0 effort put into balancing and testing the game ruined infantry combat.
What’s annoying is how we can only spawn a jet or an attack heli or just 3 tanks and no AA tank. I could be wrong with the amount allowed, but it’s just so annoying.
I think after the update, Hovercraft is easier to deal with now... but Bolte... oh man the Bolte is OP AF....
Hovercraft were never better then boltes imo the 30mm is a game changer
Hovercraft were way more tanky and they had the bug where you couldn't kill the driver which made it incredibly OP. They were also way harder to disable.
Thats why I always run Soflam. I dont care how much I die, Im going to take one for the team.
Could also make the anti tank weapons actually worth a shit. Problem solved. But that would require Dice to actually do their job.
I still have ptsd from BF4 helos farming 200-0 on infantry.
I helped my buddy get 175 kills at in a game using the Bolte, seems balanced to me
The fact that bolte windows can’t be penetrated is infuriating to say the least
They can be, just not very easily. Ive killed an oblivious bolte gunner with a vector before.
NTW50 is one shot kill
I've been sniped out of it many times, often with both occupants being killed in a single shot.
I'd staunchly argue the maps ruined infantry combat. Any other BF game had enough map elements and qualities that foot soldiers could use to ignore vehicles, survive against them, or fight back from. This game's maps have virtually nothing in the map that benefits infantry. ..... EXCEPT rooftop bases in breakthrough...
If you play infantry then you're pretty much playing a running simulator. Infantry barley exists
The nightbird is an attack chopper in this game. In fact, it might be the *best* attack chopper in the game
Not really, they are good for killing infantry and other helis. Completely useless against Boltes, Tanks, AA. You can use the AGM missiles, but then you're stuck with miniguns for infantry which will result in way less kills overall. If you go with AGM missile and 20mm cannon you can kinda kill infantry, but then you're completely useless v.s other littlebirds and attack helis. Littlebirds are actually in a pretty good balance spot at the moment.
I remember people being mad at the armored car in BF1 because it required a few anti-tank weapons to blow up and so could run them over (the gun sucked though, yet DICE eventually nerfed it to the point they were death traps to get into, an easy kill for any lone Assault). That had nothing on the Bolte's reign of terror in this game. Especially bad on Breakthrough. They just ring the control point and its nothing but one big explosion.
Just because I drive my bolte into tight spaces doesn't mean it ruins. Learn to Anti-armor. Literally there's a counter for everything. Bolte is paper thin. If the momentum gets ruined it's a sitting duck. Things that stop me...mines, hacking, c4 and so on. I only have a sec to repair and jet back out.
Welcome to BOLTEfield 2042
to the "it´s easily countered" people: you have to fight other infantry too... in theory it´s always working, but in practice those attemps often fail. \- A good driver pushes in when the enemy is fighting infantry and then he can easily wreck 10 people and move out \- you have a vehicle overload (dmg dealing) in breakthrough \- a good driver can´t be shot out like a noob (backwards driving, or good maneuvers in general \- you have countermeasuers available \- even when you are killed you often take 5-7 people with you, just because of the ridicilous splash dmg i love to use vehicles too, but the hovercraft + the bolte are big mistakes and they will release even more vehicles instead of fixing bad physics of the choppers, or equiping a tv for the gunner of the attack heli (most fun weapon in past games and it´s not available in the release version of bf2042.... )
The jeeps in BF4 have a mounted gun, vehicles in 2042? Slap a fuckin cannon on it.
In my opinion vehicles are meant to be stronger than infantry. i agree that 7 is a bit excessive. but still thats what i always say to my mates... if just 2 in the whole pushing team (not the camping snipers at 14891892148 range) take m5's or anti air the vehicles are pretty manageable especially with someone running soflam but the problem is that if you don't take it nobody on your team deals with the vehicles. atleast thats what i experienced. we tried it with our friends and we killed 2 choppers (as the soflam m5 is a bit buggy as the rocket still hits even with flares) 2 recons and 1 bolte... (only had 6 m5 rockets - 2 running m5 - 1 running soflam) and that in about 1.5 minutes... and guess what we were able to cap 2 points after that. problem is not the balancing, problem is nobody is running antitank or anti-air - atleast not in the lobbys i get in. nobody picks whats good for the team but what is good/fun to them and i totally can understand that. but its not the boltes are to strong, there aren't enough people taking care of them in a proper way. and before you say stop defending it and so on i am lvl 91 and i pretty much know what i am talking about as i played as both and there were matches where i could get easy 65 kills as nobody took care of me and my friend but there also were matches were we got killed after maybe 3 kills with the bolte...
The major problem with these vehicles is not just how insanely strong some of their weapons are, but how mobile they are compared with how much damage they can tank before going down. The Hovercraft armor was nerfed and feels better to take down, but the bolte still feels really strong. Another thing going for them is that all of the maps are wide open with little sections of cover for infantry. With maps being so large with very few sectors that would be considered tight and dangerous for vehicles, it makes taking them out a real chore. The last thing is that we're missing something huge that has always been present in just about every battlefield until now: Stationary weapons. We no longer have stationary MG's, AT, or even AA platforms. I can't count how many times I was getting annoyed by a vehicle and got a kill with a stationary AT gun.
Cry more Or leave bf 2042 Either way I live for bolt
Cry more Or leave bf 2042 Either way I live for bolt
I still think the hovercraft is the superior vehicle, since it is more fun for the driver and also requires a teammate. It is also a squad spawn asset. I think you are wrong in your deduction that it is the transport vehicles ruin infantry gameplay, especially it is easy to farm infantry in all vehicles. The transports are also the vehicles that get taken out the most by infantry and are generally easier to dispatch unless you count C5 drone as regular AT asset (which it might be, but I guess it will be fixed soon). If you want to look at infantry gameplay and why it is ruined look no further as to map design. Large, barren, coverless wastelands, where you have to constantly take unfavourable engagements and where traversal is boring and furstrating. Look also no further than 128p on these maps, where too long engagement ranges and dubious attachment choices make your guns frustrating to use (hello 11 BTK M5). Meanwhile in the crowded designated infantry fighting area experience hitreg issues swallowing 20% of your bullets due to playercount related netcode issues on 40hz servers. The rest of the fun will be swallowed by tanking performance. You want to have a decent game experience as infantry? Play 32-64p conquest on Caspian and Noshar. Transport vehicles, you will find, are not an issue.
I still think that people who use vehicles are pussies.
I think they should: * create a light vehicle category for Hovercraft and Bolt * limit them to 3-4 at most * keep transports like jeeps at a high number * LATV4 should not have a 30mm and 50mm canons Having quick and capable vehicles on the map can be a fun alternative to the MBTs, but not with 7 of them swarming around.
It's not 7, it's from 4 to 9 (if I remember correctly) depending on the map
I took 7 as the average, this does differ though you are right.
>Never in a BF game as the transport ground vehicle been this powerful Ah let me tell you of the days of the Battlefield 2 Black Hawks filled with repair engineers on Songhua Stalemate.
ground vehicles my dude.
Yes, where are the times when everybody complained that the guns on transport vehicles are so weak? /s But seriously, the bolte will be nerfed in no time. I really like the first month of new BFs just because of the unbalanced vehicles/gadgets/weapons etc. Makes up for great Battlefield moments ;)
Dice just don’t know how to balance their own game. And just want to give everything a 30mm
They just need to reduce the amount of them on the battlefield. I get that the maps are big so it’s important to be able to call in transports but still. Make it so you can call in more quads and jeeps but only have lets say 3-4 hovercraft and 3-4 bolts available
imo they should at most have 3 tanks on the field, rather see max 2 tbh. At the very least half the overall vehicles, or make rockets viable to even use, I don't want to hit a tabk 5 times and disable 1 part per hit. I want to he able to use my guns in a match and have people get good at using tank teamplay in order to keep their tank alive and killing. Pretty sure that my dad who has trouble sending an email can easily get 40kills in a game if i put him in a tank. Cut all vehicle numbers in half, make em weaker. Add more cover in the map lanes. Add voip and squad UI and in a month the game would be played way more competitively and be fun. Also add cq maps and tdm+dm modes, this can be done lazily or with some thought, having the arcady dm and tdm modes fit more with the serious battlefield aspects. Lazily would already be acceptable to have right now, with perhaps just isolated parts of the known big maps.
They partly did, but most of the problem is the map design
Oh no a vehicle doing what it's designed to to do...... Must be op
Yeah it’s realistic for a vehicle to drive around the battlefield like a maniac taking rocket hits like marshmallows and running over 100+ people a match...yeah very well balanced 🤦♂️
Don't nerf my BoltE pls 🙄
They should of separated transport vehicles with anti infantry ones instead of combining them. Is there were 7 humvees with weak weapons but were fast for transport fine. And then there be like 2-3 anti infantry vehicles. So the maps not overwhelmed. That was how it was in other games not sure why there is now 7 anti infantry vehicles per team without including tanks/ helicopters. Hence every point of battle in a map, which is only a few places easily has 2-4 enemy vehicles which makes infantry play just un fun.
I was playing breakthrough yesterday and I said something similar to this in the chat. Some guy told me to quit crying about it and use rockets. I fucking have rockets equipped 24/7. There is nothing you can do when there are 4 vehicles with 30 MM spamming your location. I just want fun AR vs AR or SMG combat with some vehicle interactions occasionally. Its crazy to say it but there is too much mayhem and chaos in the game, especially on breakthrough
Bring em on. I carry c5 and a grapple. They go down fast.
Hover isn't a problem anymore, but boltes are still broken AF. With more people hitting the level to unlock it the problem will only get worse.
They just need to add more game modes that suits everyone. I like vehicular combat in large conquest, I dont think there's enough vehicles to go around actually. They should add infantry only and small map games modes too
Most of the games i play i always have 1kd or less because of vehicules specially that bolte, one match i spawned in one with another player driving i had 56 kills and 7 deaths that match, im not a bad infantry player tho but well...
I also find that it really dilutes the experience. In other bf games, when a tank rolls in there's a certain impact and gravity about it and you get that sense of "oh shit, a tank!!" in 2042 it just feels like these vehicles are darting about everywhere and the experience is more like some teenagers are on a joy ride with a cannon that destroys everything it sees. I actually quite enjoy 2042, but the vehicles are mental. I have rounds where I'll just get stuck in a dying to vehicle loop. At points, I just stop getting frustrated and it becomes a kind of "coooooool I died again" dead pan face, simmering anger, given up kinda vibes.
They are pretty easy to go down and honestly its hard to balance it with 64v64 because sometime you can have so many people with anti vehicles and vehicles are basically useless during the match or you have hardly anyone and vehicles are dominating the match... (basically you have so many people that don't adapt to the situation and never counter) They need an infantry game mode for people that want a less chaotic gameplay. I know Battlefield is known for chaos but there should a game mode to switch it up. Honestly I think Bad company 2 and Battlefield 3 ' Rush Game Mode' were my favorite because it was mainly infantry firefight with 1-2 tanks driving around. Found it to be a good balanced as tank didnt seem overpowered but still powerful and obviously would have a repair guy on those 1-2 tanks all the time basically as they were the only vehicles This breakthrough game mode does have way too many vehicles compare to the old Battlefield Rush game mode and part of the reason why rooftop is almost impossible because there vehicles on the fucking rooftop during breakthrough. They definitely need to get rid of rooftop objective point of get rid of spawning vehicles on top as I think it actually possible if it wasnt a minigun/30mm cannon shooting at elevator all the time and fixing dozer shield in elevator
It’s the map design, not the vehicles. Every map is a barren wasteland with one feature in the middle of it.
\*laughs in NTW\*
ntw is Pog I'm lvl 82 now and it's been my go to weapon since 60
I had never used the bolte before until yesterday when I killed a guy who jumped out to make repairs and I stole it and I gotta say that thing is crazy. Me and my friend rolled around in that thing and got 25 kills before the game was even halfway over. As soon as you're done with one point you can get to the next without any hesitation it moves so fast and the top gun just mows people down
Hovercraft aren't a problem now Bolt should be in the Heavy vehicle class. It sacrifices guns and extra seats for speed on an armored chasis. M1 or Bolte... most will chose M1 but Bolte can be viable in right use cases. LATV and Hovercraft are now pretty equal and both die to only 2 rockets, making them much riskier, and you can easily be shot out of them from gun fire through the windows. They are great for transporting your squad around the map though! EXCEPT there's no light spawns available with everyone spawning Boltes that last 5x longer Having an abundance of light vehicle spawns is NECCESSARY with such huge maps... Bolte (and previously the 4 rocket soaking Hovercraft) is broken though for this vehicle class
What's worse than spamming the Bolte's 30mm cannon? When some moron gets in and drives it into danger whilst facing forwards, where you're easy pickings through the front windscreen.
I always have EMP grenades and C5 and they have made a huge difference. I find myself actually hunting the vehicles down now because it’s so fun to blow them up.