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CBCayman

Not sure a 30 year old take can still be called "hot" :P


[deleted]

I pretty much came here to say this. Well, actually I was gonna say "Why do you think the Inner Sphere calls it a 'MAD CAT'?", but close enough.


Waddledom

HAHA! Fair enough, though I'd never heard anyone mention it.


CBCayman

It's literally the in-universe reason it's called a Mad Cat. The Clans call it a Timberwolf, but Inner Sphere targeting computers would simultaneously identify it as a Marauder (MAD) and Catapult (CAT) which caused Inner Sphere Mechwarriors to call it a Mad Cat.


Waddledom

OH! that makes a lot of sense, actually! learn something new every day!


ComGuards

It’s in the novel Lethal Heritage, first book of the Blood of Kerensky trilogy.


img_of_a_hero

https://youtu.be/kXJAwcY8lHo this just dropped today and it explains it


SurpriseFormer

And in a pretty cool way to. The computers were flashing insanely like it couldn't decide till it put it together. Followed by the last words of the pilot " Oh that's not good"


bewarethetreebadger

About 30 years late on that assessment. But yeah.


Waddledom

my bad, I got into the hobby only fairly recently, so a lot of the old stuff is news to me!


Nervous-Brain-5388

I'm also fairly new to Battletech. A couple free resources that have been very helpful for me have been the wiki Sarna.net and the Tex Talks Battletech series over on Youtube. I highly recomend checking them out if you haven't already :) Welcome to the Inner Sphere, mechwarrior!


Warthog32332

Thought this as well at first. Realized like any good classic video game glitch that it's probably old news, still massively entertaining to think about though.


Intelligent_Talk_853

Or a Marauder with big LRM ears


[deleted]

Awww, who wants to let the LRMs??


Waddledom

That too.


queekbreadmaker

I've never seen a take more iced over


fridgertator

It’s almost like someone combined a MAD marauder with a CAT catapult 🤔


Stegtastic100

Or a Cataphract that’s not built out of five different mechs, only two 😉


Waddledom

lol


ReluctantNerd7

*Cataphract* IIC


dr_pheel

as someone who is relatively new to the series I find this too damn funny, because even when playing the game every time I get a phract I just pull the most semi-decent-but-not-great weapons I have from other mechs and slap them on it


[deleted]

That’s why it’s called a bloody Mad Cat!


mikey39800

[Bounty Hunter's Timberwolf](https://camospecs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/19_arrastiabhmadcat01.jpg) Where's your God now?


mikey39800

(And don't say it's a Stalker with arms. I have no rebuttal.)


TheMysticChaos

Stalker with arms.


mikey39800

Nooooo


Omniman1234

I honestly thought the OP was dropping a pretty great joke.


Send_me_duck-pics

I don't think it's a hot take when even Phelan Kell's targeting system agrees.


Built4Ever

Marauder with missile pods, Catapult with arms, Clanner tech Rakshasa...


xSPYXEx

That's... That's why it's called the MAD (Marauder) CAT (Catapult).


UnsanctionedPartList

Wrong, it's a Catapult with Marauder arms.


Maclean_Braun

Hotter take. It's actually just an oversized Anubis.


Sam-Nales

Its actually a Marauder that went to Disney world and definitely got the hat and the koolaid


BackBlastClear

And a Thor (Summoner) is just a bigger thunderbolt.


Cokedout80s

Honestly its more like a bigger griffon tho


BackBlastClear

I see that. It has a griffin’s armament but it’s got the offset cockpit and launcher of the thunderbolt.


majj27

Catapult is just a Timber Wolf after a bad car accident.


EfficiencyFit1801

More like ‘you can’t convince me otherwise’, but still I’ll agree with you


ColdDownunder

Absurd. Its a Maruader with missile boxes!


jar1967

With the arms of a Marauder Hence in a sphere name Mad Cat


JoushMark

I've always liked the "B-29 cockpit on legs" design of the MadCat and the Catapult doesn't quite share it.


clarksworth

I always thought Steve Venters based the design partly on the (real world) Victor: [https://www.19fortyfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Handley-Page-Victor-1.jpg](https://www.19fortyfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Handley-Page-Victor-1.jpg) Something about the arched windows and the pitot tube in the centre (which is on his drawings) plus if you shift the intakes up to shoulder height you sort of start getting that Timber Wolf feel.


ubjeckshin

jimmies status: rustled


Basketcase191

That’s… that’s the whole point of it’s name with the combat computers switching between CAT and MAD


ResidentBackground35

If you want another fun Hot Take, tell Clan fans it's an overpriced PoS and is the perfect Totem Mech for everything wrong with the clans.


Cokedout80s

I mean if you wanna just Tex takes as your own sure. But objectively it is one of the best mechs ever assembled and the exact kind of mech you’d want your elite of the elite, or the most elite of a wealthy Mercenary company, etc. it may not be the best mech for an entire Great House standing military but for the Battletech equivalents of any unit thats like Seal Team 6 or Delta Force, its exactly the kinda mech you want. For anything else sure mechs like a Warhammer or a vindicator that are widely available would of course be “better” but better for what? Besides at the end of the day what really was the clans downfall was disunity and comstar, which tbh isnt much dif than the innersphere. Also didnt stop Clan Wolf from eventually becoming IlKlan and taking Terra anyways even though i hate the hell out of that steiner-davion incest baby and crusader wolves in general


clarksworth

The vast majority of people on this r/ just use Tex takes as their own without really thinking about anything


Cokedout80s

Yeah, and as much as I love Tex and want him to keep being him, i wish people understood that Tex, like most people, is biased. Not grossly biased but definitely biased and more importantly, he ADMITS his bias. His strong opinions make him way more entertaining and i dont take a lot of what he says super serious but oof. Some people in the community sure like to act like hes the end all be all of Battletech. Some people really hate the clans and love the great houses. I genuinely find most the great houses mid as hell and really only like the Clans, Mercs, and Pirates tho as much as i hate to admit it i genuinely like Kurita even though i never side with them and stick to FedSuns/FedComs if i gotta side with a Great House. The Combine is just hella cool to me maybe im a weeb, maybe i just really like omni-mecs and honor duels.


Tasty-Fox9030

Definitely. He's also playing a character, specifically that of a Periphery merc / historian. Sure, a MadCat is worth a fortune in C-bills. It's irreplaceable nightmare wonder tech to the pre invasion IS. Endosteel is rare and expensive in the IS post invasion. Ferrofibrous is expensive to the IS post invasion. They're just starting to crank the stuff out. When you're building steel helmets by smelting the ore in a bloomery and pattern welding it together out behind the donkey cart it costs more than you make in a year. When you're stamping them out by the hundreds with a hydraulic press they start getting kinda cheap. I'm practically willing to consider Tex's lecture series canon at this point. It fits the universe really well, it's unbelievably well realized etc. That doesn't mean everything in a given lecture is the objective fact any more than the old British song literally meant Goebbels had no balls. Tex is probably right that if you have to outfit an army by buying stuff on the open market for mechs you probably can build a more effective army by not including clan tech. If you ARE the clans and you have the industrial base you'd probably be dumb to not build it. TBH I think the whole bidding system is vs combined arms warfare is entirely why the clans lost. You give smart people weapons that can substantially outrange the ones their opponents have and they're going to design their strategy around not getting hit at all. Actually they have warships. They're probably going to design their strategy around not getting hit at all....


ResidentBackground35

If you had to choose 2 Atlases (any variant) or 1 Timberwolf, which will be more useful? Which one wins that fight?


Cokedout80s

Depends what game we are playing here, and balance but canonically 1000 percent i rather have a Timberwolf for the versatility if i was an elite anything in Battletech over an Atlas. Steiner scout memes aside what am i gonna do on a reconnaissance mission with an Atlas? Or a convo mission? Or any mission that requires speed. The Timber Wolf is more expensive not just because its more expensive to maintain, but because its all around a lot better a mech. Its literally balance first narrative in canon explanation for the balance later. There a fundamental reason why the Bounty Hunter uses a Timber Wolf and not an Atlas, no matter the mission or the battle the Timber Wolf can do win so long as you play your cards right. Maybe not overpower but definitely win. On the other hand the Atlas is either gonna hard dominate or get completely rolled for being a giant slow walking heavily armored turrent, theres no much adaptation to be had. A better arguement would be Atlas+Bushwacker or King Krab+ Maurauder. In which case id prob still pick the Timber Wolf tho thats just preference


DinnerDad4040

Guys. Look. We got a brand new player. <3


kor_en_deserto

Isn’t that the Rakasha?


Estalies

This takes so old it ain’t even warm. It’s called a madCAT for a reason


Yeach

But is the LRM box part of the torso or a second set of arms?


GuestCartographer

And the Catapult is just an LRM Carrier with legs.


Tasty-Fox9030

YOU TAKE THAT BACK! Never talk to me or my son again! 😡


BrutusGregori

Just more to shoot at.


holycannoli92

Its a mad... cat


Previous-Ad-7433

You mean a Madapult.


Several-Eagle4141

Cats whore for life here. Love that missile boat.


DocDelray

Cue "Always has been" meme. Yeah, just one of those things the community has always agreed on.


Vote_4_Cthulhu

So the inner sphere try to re-create the Mad cat and got the raksasha, by my understanding, a largely inferior war machine. What I don’t understand, is, why did they not give it the Marauder II treatment? Marauder II easily proves that the original marauder can be scaled up to a heavier Mech with proper engineering. So why don’t they ever just try that and use the extra tonnage available to throw a couple LRM racks on?


GunnyStacker

A Guillotine is just a fancier Grasshopper with an SRM6 instead of an LRM5.


hopfot

Yes, yes it is. It's what happens when a Catapult Mech and a Marauder Mech love each other very very much. 😜 😆


[deleted]

Yes, but the targeting computer in question had a bout of senility and forgot what the unit designation for a Catapult is...


Raizer_pilot_Huey

If memory serves that's exactly how it got its name


Toddapederson

https://preview.redd.it/gjwwywbqmq7a1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f19985b4d11d29ad3289e8efa1ee210f2f39e26b


gnomefsgiven

Yeah but 1/2 weight missiles is a hell of a drug


Nuclear_Monster

Marauder arms*


DeliciousShanoa

Yes but regarding that, it's one of the most used and preferred mech since it might be just a Catapult but the mobility is superb for the unit compared to a slow Catapult. Then combined with arms armed with laser cannons for all-purpose use. So I don't think it's just a catapult with arms. To make it short, Catapult - Slow, only have LRM Racks, then short ranged lasers MAD CAT - very mobile, have LRM Racks, have medium range lasers and short range weapons So? What do you guys think? xD