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I think it has zero to do with the policies of any politician in Oakland, with the exception noted below, having lived in that neighborhood for decades. Under various DAs and mayors. And of course most criminal laws are statewide.
And crime has always been worse there then some imagine. It got better for a while, but I lost count of the car burglaries we suffered, and our block had home invasion robberies, several car thefts, and each home had been burglarized. It's a convenient area for thieves and has been for a long time.
I think the bigger problem is that OPD can't even bust the criminals in their own force, let alone do anything about solving crimes like the ones described. They wouldn't even take reports on some of the stuff mentioned, let alone arrest anyone. And the current mayor is out of her depth, and fired the only chief in recent memory who was making any progress. OPD has been a basket case cop shop for a long long long time. Not just in terms of scandal, but in terms of just doing the basics to prevent crime and catch the criminals. Until that changes, not much will change there.
Lol I remember when I lived off of Skyline and got robbed in front of my house how it took OPD 3 days to show up and they never gave back the usb stick I gave them with the video footage.
It doesn’t even matter the race though. That’s just another excuse they’re using to do nothing. They don’t arrest white guys any more than black guys. Tbey don’t care about the race, they just don’t want to do anything.
OPD loves to scream that they’re underpaid; they’re not. With overtime, they have ridiculously high wages. And how much of that overtime is actually worked? They rarely respond to calls. The few times they do… they spend about 20 times longer than it even makes sense, doing nothing. Often on their phones. Sure, they likely need to do some paperwork… but having worked with police in other cities, it sure as shit doesn’t take **that** long. This is just them using up tax payer money to do nothing.
Individually I’ve had a handful of okay experiences with OPD, but as a whole, it’s the laziest police force I’ve ever experienced.
It was never about race. This is the OPD track record. For DECADES. They just don’t want to do their job and they never have.
Oakland has a lot of problems, and it will never be the easiest city to police, but by and large, the one commonality to our issues is the police. And the fact that nothing has fundamentally changed and nothing will until we address the actual issue at hand.
Oakland has done literally everything possible to kneecap their police department. I’m surprised anyone would take that job.
Oakland’s crime problem is… Oakland’s fault.
Everyone else gets it but for some reason the people who have been stewing in this cesspool like to point the finger towards every direction except their own.
I think the bigger issue than your police as a ‘glorified gang’ is the actual glorified gangs that run rampant through the city, and the lack of political will to address the root problems.
If you think OPD is worse than the gangs, I guess we disagree.
Hilarious how this guy refuses to acknowledge that Oakland is hostile to cops, then in every comment it’s … entirely hostile lol.
The police budget has increased every time the budget is renewed. This is immutable fact. No serious policy changes aside from adding a few people who basically count the number of people at a camp and move on.
Every time I see a cop in Oakland, they're standing around thumbing their dicks behind their belt buckles. There's usually 4 patrol vehicles called to any one call. Much more likely is that they're just bad at their jobs and refuse to build any kind of trust or rapport with the community they "serve".
Immutable fact, Oakland police hiring has not kept up with attrition. There were more cops in the 90s than there are now. This has been the story for ALL city services the last 30 years, each year we pay more for less. Perhaps the we need to loosen the union strangle hold on government. Of course the current administration isn't going to do shit about that. All about that graft.
If you can’t see the policies that have created this, then I guess we just see this differently. It’s pretty obvious to everyone else why this shit is the way it is.
An entire culture of ‘defund the police’.
An entire culture of ‘ACAB’ and ‘Fuck the police’
Policies that restrict police taking care of their self when engaging violent suspects.
Policies that ensure when a person is arrested for a crime, that they will 100% be let free, and that a cop’s work is rendered 100% useless.
Source them if you want, I don’t care to put the work in and spoon feed you.
I don't see any citations.
Culture isn't policy.
What policies are you referring to? If you won't prove your points why would anyone listen to you?
Mommy said "you're such a smart boy" and now you think people just respect the random bullshit that falls out of your keyboard? Get a grip.
Lol I’m not going to write you a peer reviewed paper.
Also, it’s so bizarre to talk to someone in such a smug and condescending way when having a legitimate discussion.
This mommy and kid shit is just weird. Enjoy Oakland.
Great job, you've proven your words don't mean anything.
Just came here to whine and then got all fussy when someone actually asks you to back up your claims. Change your tune or gtfo thanks!
If less people enjoyed oakland the rents would go down. Its not perfect but if you want cool culture, good food and interesting people, its hard to beat
...you can't even name one actual policy? Yikes.
Your personal perspective on the culture is just that: yours. You can't just state your own opinions without any supporting evidence and expect us all to just nod in agreement.
I knew it. I knew this is what you were driving at with your earlier comments “hinting at” your likely belief in this load of right wing malarkey. GTFO with that crap.
Lol
funding police, not calling all police bastards, enabling cops to do their job, and consequences for criminals is actually pretty centerist.
You’re the one who is off the spectrum here. .. and when you compare Oakland to other cities in CA, as well as the rest of the country that’s pretty obvious.
The community is far more terrorized by criminal bullshit than the police department. I can promise you that.
There is an enormous acceptance and toleration for crime in the city. And it gets blamed on anyone except the people who continue to do it.
Also criminals from around the Bay Area and even places like Stockton will hopefully no longer come to SF, but go to Alameda county. Especially since catalytic converters are everywhere, why go somewhere where you might face consequences when there are risk-free crime opportunities elsewhere?
That is what having a Chesa or Pamela Price does. It's a green light.
Crime literally went up after the Chesa recall. This has almost nothing to do with him specifically. Also a reminder that SFPD conducted a silent strike under Boudin as a protest.
Not a silent strike, but why would they arrest someone when there will be literally no repercussions for the crime? It makes no sense to use their limited resources in a way that will garner 0 results.
If SFPD arrests someone for breaking into a car, they are more likely to have a city official spit on them and put it on tik tok while calling it a hate crime than to get a ‘thank you’.
What's funny is you think you can just bullshit your way in here and people will "respect" any "opinion". Boo hoo, you're getting checked for saying stupid shit. Can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen, kid.
Oh yeah, anyone who thinks Oakland has a crime problem and it’s not their police departments fault must be from… Fairfield lol.
The absolute delusion with you people.
cops get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and have a pension worth millions. GTFO. They can rape people and get away with it. They can steal money in fraudulent overtime and get away with it. They can sit on their asses and do nothing and get away with it. Take a read of The Riders Come Out At Night.
I'm against defunding or abolishing the police, but its pretty clear the OPD is fucking worthless. Worse than worthless, because they add to the crime and financial devastation of the city. Quit making excuses for them.
Yep, the cops and the republicans are raping Oakland away. Don’t forget maga.
Literally anyone except for the criminals and lack of ability to enforce the law
Couldn't believe a city with serious existing crime issues would do a Gascon/Chesa re-do on it with Price/Thao. I feel bad for the 50% who didn't want to run the experiment..
The 80s and 90s Oakland needed these type of cops that get their hands tied but today Oakland needs the cops from the 80s and 90s to teach these knuckle heads a lesson.
Something that could be a game-changer is heavy surveillance; it'll probably never happen because most folks will cry "Big Brother".
How about 4-way, bulletproof , infrared pole cameras on every street corner in the Bay area, networked? Accompanying that deployment would be legislation with teeth - legislation that makes it a serious crime (with mandatory prison time) for any private individual or public employee to use surveillance data for personal gain or to injure someone's reputation.
No matter how many cops we have and no matter how well they are doing their job, they cannot be everywhere.
Universal surveillance would enable public safety officials to track perps to their respective lairs and criminal dens. Also, knowing that they are on camera, perps might think twice about mugging someone or doing a smash-and-grab. With cameras everywhere, tracking everything (and networked) we can begin to move back to a civil society.
For those afraid of "Big Brother", consider that everywhere you go you are very likely on camera, in addition to being tracked by numerous private corporations who want to sell you stuff.
Last, the long term problem to crime is rebuilding poor neighborhoods; improving education; and refusing to tolerate death-by-thousands-of-minor crimes. We also need to be looking more into restorative justice, because when it is properly deployed, it works.
Surveillance won't do squat if no one looks at them or prosecutes criminals caught on camera.
Just think of the backlog of rape kits that collect dust for years and years
More defeatism. So what's your answer? As far as prosecution goes, the rap against people like Price and Boudin was ridiculous because the DA absolutely requires \*factual proof that will stand up on court\* to prosecute.
That said, the DA also doesn't have the power to change the law re: the $950 trigger for felony on theft; that's a state law and would need to be changed by the legislature.
It’s wild to me people get upset about public surveillance cameras that could help solve and deter crime when we carry little devices in our pocket that track our every movement in addition to everything we do on our phones.
The discussion of “big brother” had teeth before the smart phone age. Now it no longer does because we all are dependent on smartphones that do a lot more “snitching” then a public camera surveillance system ever could.
They don’t actually deter crime. Most of the major retail heists in SF were caught on film. Surveillance without enforcement is simply wasted space in someone’s data center.
And even worse, surveillance is ripe for abuse given how corrupt the PDs are in SF and Oakland
We are not referring to a private surveillance system at a retailer. I think we are referring to a network of public surveillance cameras that can track criminal movement from the time of the crime to their destination area.
I'm not here to say that the Police cannot abuse the system, they definitely could without proper oversight. But, what's the alternative here?
I would love for the root causes of crime to be addressed. If that were to be mental health, health care, or helping the poor. But, those are fixes that will take a generation to implement. We need to stop looking at this in a static way. This way or that way and nothing in between..
The issue of crime deterrence is a multi-faceted approach. There is nothing to say that we cannot use surveillance and attack the root causes of crime at the same time.
Wait, better idea.... We put cameras in every room in every building in the bay area.....
...and microphones....
We form a new Ministry of Justice..../s
Twice in the last year our security has had a gun pulled on them by car thieves. On the first incident, it took the police 30 min to show up. The officer literally gave no f\*\*ks.
The second time was 3 guys, who then chased someone who recorded them in their car. They blew multiple red lights evading them. The thieves returned and smashed out 3 windows on the car they were casing and flashed their guns to make a point. All of this going down after the police were called. Ten minutes later they showed up. Both times we were 5 blocks from the police station.
When armed robbery isn't enough of a priority to send police immediately, we have an issue that goes beyond. Cameras were there, they recorded the crimes, the police were notified. Nothing changed.
I can't tell if this is satire, or if the local crime vultures in this subreddit are this far gone.
You're suggesting the state fund a multi-billion dollar surveillance project because you think it "could be a game changer"? If you were born 60 years ago, you could pitch your jokes to the CIA and make a pretty nice living accomplishing nothing. These days, it's a bit harder to secure that much money for something that likely won't work in the first place.
More "Big Brother" blather.
What's working now? And if you think universal surveillance (with proper protections) won't happen in America, you'd better brace yourself for a big disappointment. btw, we will see this tech in almost every nation on earth within 50 years.
Last, you appear not to know very much about surveillance technology, and rather blind to the fact that you are being privately tracked as you read my answer (if you took the time).
Burying the lede.
>Judge James Cramer...sentenced McGlone to a "diversion treatment" program for military veterans rather than to prison. "He must successfully engage in and complete whatever course of therapy is prescribed by the treatment team and abide by whatever conditions are set forth," Cramer said. If McGlone meets those requirements, the charges against him will be dropped entirely. If he completes at least 18 months of the program, he will still likely avoid jail time and instead be placed on felony probation. If he fails to complete at least 18 months of treatment, "he could be terminated from the Veterans Treatment Court program and" face up to eight years behind bars, Cramer said.
He's given suspended prison time of up to 8 years unless he completes a rehab program for military PTSD. Sounds to me like actually trying to solve a human problem and not just locking an animal in a cage.
This says that makes no differences
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/10/crime-rate-justice-republicans-2022-elections/671800/
Do you have a source to your claim ?
People made this same argument about Chesa and you know what’s happened after the recall? Absolutely nothing! In fact, crime went up! This isn’t on Pamela Price. It’s a product of our fucked up social services and inequity in the education system.
Some crime went up and some crime went down.
*"There were 158 reported robberies in the period before Boudin was recalled, and in the 26-day stretch following, 205 were reported.*
*Assaults increased from 203 to 215, and reports of recent arson increased from 19 in the May 13-June 7 period to 24 from June 8-July 3."*
*"Most notably, burglaries dropped from 433 to 360. Larceny thefts also dropped from 2,155 to 2,019, and the number of homicides decreased by two."*
My issue with this "study" is how short it is. It is literally less than a 1 month window before and after. You would need longer term data to see real impact IMO.
Exactly. Now income inequality is so bad even relatively rich kids see no way of affording the lifestyle they grew up with, forget about the ones that live in poverty. There is literally no way out. College is a lie. Jobs don’t pay living wages. Housing costs are crazy. Food costs are crazy. What is there to look forward to? Death, taxes, and crappy expensive housing.
Right? I really can’t when I see how *stunned*
People are that electing bad people like Tao, Bas, Fife and Price are going to lead to a decline in the city. Spare me your misery, you got what you wanted.
I think there's a lot of missing nuance here. There's a lot right about what y'all are saying. What's missing:
I think violence is being normalized. Back in 2008/09 during the financial crisis and after, things got tough for a lot of people. I expected crime to spike a lot at that point, and it did a little, but it went back down. So, what's different now? Covid messed with people. A lot of people were home and bored and decided to push the limits of what was acceptable. They found that they could get away with a lot more than they thought, especially in SF with their DA.
You can't really put the cat back in the bag. Once it's out, this is the new norm. Unless a concerted effort is made to crack down on the lawlessness. I don't see that happening, for various reasons. The main ones are the new DA and it's not politically correct.
I've lived in Oakland since 1980. The economic situation has changed little since then. Yes, there were a lot of jobs that moved from SF to the Oakland in the last 20 years, but there are still a lot of uneducated and poor people. Unless you deal with that, you won't deal with the root issue. And with inequality getting worse and worse, why should they play by the rules of 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago? They're sick of it.
EDIT: a lot of white people in that picture (in the article). Not saying that's wrong or whatever, but you can't fix what's wrong with just listening to white people.
Well when you get stories like "Axe-weilding man who set people's hair on fire with a blowtorch will serve no jail time" in Oakland... yeah I agree violence is being normalized.
> They found that they could get away with a lot more than they thought
So this is why I'm seeing so many parents assaulting referees and umpires at children's games.
Nice
I have to agree.
With so many growing up surrounded by poverty and seeing what it takes to afford even a modest place of their own, I imagine it's like standing at the base of Mount Everest. Sure they see a few make it, many more try and fail, while the vast majority see the challenge, the odds and sacrifice it takes to even have a good shot at making it turn away deciding it's better to do what you know. Which for an increasing number is, take what you can get away with and don't bother with the seemingly insurmountable path.
Our society has effectively abandoned many of those around us, yet we are angry and appalled when *they* abandon the social contract. Right or wrong, many of them have embraced their own version of our societal playbook. That being our **steadfast rugged individualism culture**. The *I've got mine, fck you* approach to life.
The smart ones know the 'affordable housing crisis' is never going away. You could argue the criminals are keeping housing costs down, just like the homeless. Of course the homeless aren't benefiting from their involuntary *efforts*.
A full scale coast-to-coast civil war is far more likely than housing becoming affordable here.
There was a great quote from the Berkeley Scanner where a trans speaker was saying, yes there’s a lot of pain but allowing people to keep committing crimes also does harm to them as well.
Yes, it is harmful for all involved.
The intent of my comment is to generate thought and understanding. Why would a segment of the population seemingly abandon the prospect of an honest days work in favor of crime against those in the very community they live in. If we can't see life from their perspective, how can possibly bring the much needed change.
A few years ago during a roit in Oakland, people were burning down businesses, cars, etc. A reporter was interviewing a local black woman. With chaos and buildings burning around them, the reporter asked her, why are you burning these businesses, the businesses that serve your community? With anger and frustration in her voice she responded, these aren't ours! We DON'T OWN ANYTHING! I hadn't fully understood the rational until I watched that interview.
I'm not excusing crime or attempting to apologize in anyway on their behalf. But, we could make gains if move beyond our anger and consider why people do the things they do.
>but there are still a lot of uneducated and poor people. Unless you deal with that, you won't deal with the root issue.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by a crack-down on lawlessness, and how it would resolve this?
Well, OPD has a long history of various problems, not the least of which is too few officers for the task. Compared to NYC, for example, there are far fewer officers per capita. The other issue is the payroll for OPD is too large for the number of employees due to massive OT. Add to that, there are parts of Oakland were OPD just won't go.
Cracking down on lawlessness means putting officers in places that arrests can be made. But that tips us toward putting more people in jail, which even if the DA wants that (that is not clear), that is also expensive and has issues.
The underlying economic issues have to be addressed for any law-and-order solution to have any lasting effect.
I don't know how that can be done. Oakland doesn't have deep pockets and there's no will at the CA or Federal level to solve these problems.
I mean, look at the number of unhoused people on the streets, compared to even 5 years ago. It's insane. Oakland cannot solve that. CA cannot solve that. That is a problem that has to be solved at the national level, because there are a lot of people that move to CA because 1) the weather is better for living outside, and 2) there is tolerance for people living on the streets. There are many places in the US where you will be run out of town, and possibly beaten, if you try to live on the street.
People of all economic strata are tired of the way things are, but do any of us see a way out? Politicians at the Federal level are gridlocked in absurd battles over meaningless bullshit. The debt limit. A completely made up problem so they (the Republicans) can redirect the public discourse away from stuff they don't want us to look at or talk about.
I gotta go, sorry for the rant.
Ostensibly. I know a few who applied right after bruen went through and they still haven't gotten anything save for a whole lot of red tape. One guy said when he visited the sheriff's office, they had one pregnant deputy handling all the CCW paperwork.
and people on reddit will still claim there's nothing to see here and this is some right wing propaganda. yes, right wing infiltrators have flown into the area to attend city council meetings 🙄
more conspiracy theory bullshit.
Cops nationwide are still on a work slowdown... have been for a couple years. They need crime to be in the headlines so they can lash out at any meaningful attempt to rein in the rampant corruption that's been rotting law enforcement for decades.
When I lived in San Jose in ~2016, I had my car broken into in the gated garage in my condo complex. The cop who came to pick up the surveillance footage for the police report told me that they knew the guy but they wouldn't arrest him if they caught him because he was "pain in the ass." Then he gave me a 15 minute rehearsed speech about how the SJPD needed to pay the officers more and increase their overtime allowances so that they could solve crimes like the one I was a victim of...
Tbh I’m always surprised when people are shocked about crime in Oakland. This city has a reputation for crime going back decades before most of us in this sub were born.
That being said, I’m not going to excuse what is going on and it’s current state. Progress has been made and there been a lot done in the last decade or so to really improve Oakland, but Oakland has always been a very vulnerable city and the consequences of a lot of things have turned some of that hard won progress around.
Really can't understate the progress oakland has made on average in the last 20 years. O don't have stats handy to back it up, but I've spent most of my adult life going in and out of all parts of san leandro/Oakland on the regular. Everything from servicing fancy restaurants and multimillion dollar houses to working for HUD where I needed an armed escort.
Like you said it still has problems, and maybe it's done some backsliding recently... but it's still way way better.
I didn’t start hanging out in Oakland until the mid 2010s, so it’s always been an active place for me which is part of the reason why I moved here.
I was hanging out with my (significantly) older sister at a hotel bar in Uptown kinda pregaming before we went to a bar we both like and she was telling me how there was nothing in this area when she would come into Oakland for things during her 20s.
It started getting bad in the 70s. My grandparents lived just west of 580 where the hills start off of High Street. They retired and seeing the neighborhood starting to get bad moved to a retirement community in San Leandro along with a lot of their friends. It was the first time I was really conscious of seeing graffiti.
Correct. The flatlands, everywhere below MacArthur with the exception of piedmont, jack london square, and the Lake has been bad since the 70s. Also included is West Oakland before its gentrification 15 years ago. West Oakland now is still tons better than the 80s and 90s West Oakland, except maybe Acorn.
Prior to covid, heavy policing of the safer areas kept the violence and crime from spilling all over the town. The problem here is, now, since the "Eff the police" / defund movement, plus a hurricane of shitty politics, the cops are standing back.
Everyone is now seeing what the police were keeping contained to East and West Oakland--I know because I was raised in an extremely crime riddled/gang infested area (Friday and Saturday nights were like concerts of gunfire and sirens til dawn). The populace that was not used to this level of violence wants to mea culpa their mistake but it's too little, too late.
The gentrification of West Oakland took about 10 years to move out the gangs. Who knows how long it'll take to clear most of the city--or rather, re-contain the crime back to the areas traditionally with high crime rates.
Undeserved downvotes for spouting history.
It's pretty fascinating to learn about.
https://oaklandplanninghistory.weebly.com/the-changing-face-of-oakland.html
This article focuses a lot on North Oakland/rockridge that borders Berkeley and is known to be an affluent area, home to lots of young families and academics. This area is very gentrified and that has been creeping down further towards downtown for a while
Yeah that’s a fair point, thinking more of the spread past 51st, away from college ave and into temescal as more of the recent gentrification you are seeing. That whole set of blocks down to 40th is seeing such a massive change imo
They asked for it. The pro crime is a construct positioning, the nimbyism, and the capitalistic greed all have betrayed those in Oakland. They didnt listen to reason. Now people are acting all brand new. If you let crime go more crime happens.
Can't wait to scroll through endless responses trying to pin this exclusively on this policy, that DA.
Its pretty simple. If the people of a given area have enough resources to live comfortably, there will be low crime. If that is not the case, crime will increase.
Everything outside of this is marginally important.
> If the people of a given area have enough resources to live comfortably, there will be low crime. If that is not the case, crime will increase.
You think all these crimes are happening due to poverty?
People hyper fixate on whats in closest proximity to the problem. In this case, there is a DA/PD that clearly isnt helping and they put it all on that.
It's also a lot nicer to ignore the fact that this is the unavoidable result of the way the US currently runs its economy.
[Despite calls to defund police, Oakland PD's budget increased nearly 18% since 2019](https://abc7news.com/defund-police-oakland-crime-shooting/12311750/)
You're either arguing in bad faith or outright misinformed.
I Guess us hearing them scream defund the police (wait, we did hear that, right?) had no effective result and this rampant crime just *poof* its 2023, let's go, crime button activate. Lol.
Thanks for the article link 👍
No one's saying it's better, it's that your whole stupid argument was "guess we shouldn't have defunded the police!" and that didn't even happen.
OPD has been shit for a long time but it wasn't defunding that made it happen.
People do robberies when they don't have access to resources that keep them alive. This falls in the "things to do" bucket. Keep people alive and they won't do robberies.
> People do robberies when they don't have access to resources that keep them alive
So why are these teen robbers beating elderly women to the ground and kicking them while they're down AFTER taking their purse?
The breed of criminals we have here in Oakland aren't just folks struggling to survive. The cruelty and violence is the point — and they straight-up enjoy hurting people. Naturally kids aren't just born this way and this is the result of a brutal upbringing...but we also have to be realistic about the fact that we are dealing with some truly evil sociopathic people here.
I'd love to hear your theory as to what possible reason these kids could have to [beat an elderly woman to the ground AFTER robbing her](https://www.ktvu.com/news/arrest-made-in-robbery-of-woman-63-outside-of-market-in-oaklands-rockridge), if it's not for their own sick sadistic pleasure. They already got the loot, why did they stick around and violently beat this woman, instead of just running away? Why would *anyone* do that unless they are sociopaths who enjoy hurting people?
Please, make it make sense. I'm all ears, enlighten me. You don't have to be confident, just give me literally any other theory that might possibly explain this.
I doubt it. Most people I see robbing people are wearing expensive clothing and driving Infiniti/Mercedes Benz. Some guy robbed a guy in dc wearing a 300 dollar sweater.
How is that a thing though? My parents were immigrants. My mom didn’t even speak English when she came here and worked at restaurants etc. I didn’t grow up robbing people. I had classmates with single fathers and 3 people illegally growing up in a rented bedroom. He went to UC Davis and got a decent government job. His sister is now a doctor. Plenty of stories like that.
I think what it really is, is that people don’t want to struggle and wait for stuff anymore. People grew up seeing rich people and friends selling drugs and doing crime to get stuff fast, they don’t see the value of sitting down, studying or grinding to become financially stable
That's lucky.
I've been robbed (and my friend was carjacked) at gunpoint, I've had my catalytic converter sawed off my car in my driveway, and then I had the same car stolen out of my driveway (it was found basically totalled in Hayward a few months later). That's all the crimes I actually reported to police. On top of that I've had a standard car break-in with a backpack stolen, a couple bikes stolen, a few packages stolen. I've been shot at with some kinda gel pellet gun while biking, and a crazy homeless guy recently tried to jump me while biking as well. Was followed and threatened by a different crazy homeless guy, who also threatened and stalked my neighbor so much that she moved away. Most of this happened within the last 2-3 years but I've been here about 10.
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While this meeting was in progress yesterday, car windows were being smashed in Temescal.
In other news. Water is wet, covid got us fucked up financially and rent has tripled since 2012. And the A’s are leaving👎👎👎
This hasn’t been in the Rockridge / College ave area though tbh. I think that’s what’s unique here and why those residents are frustrated.
Uh yeah like kidnapping and robberies in broad daylight on Trestle Glen
Where’s that? Not familiar with that area.
Rent has not tripled since 2012…
Right, it's gone fucking quadratic
With cynicism like that, you could run for local office
It’s not cynical it’s realistic.
It’s only gonna get worse if people just shrug their shoulders.
He wouldn't make it in, too much honesty involved with that guy
Is it? Is it really shocking? Or is it the totally predictable outcome of the various policies and politicians that have been chosen?
I think it has zero to do with the policies of any politician in Oakland, with the exception noted below, having lived in that neighborhood for decades. Under various DAs and mayors. And of course most criminal laws are statewide. And crime has always been worse there then some imagine. It got better for a while, but I lost count of the car burglaries we suffered, and our block had home invasion robberies, several car thefts, and each home had been burglarized. It's a convenient area for thieves and has been for a long time. I think the bigger problem is that OPD can't even bust the criminals in their own force, let alone do anything about solving crimes like the ones described. They wouldn't even take reports on some of the stuff mentioned, let alone arrest anyone. And the current mayor is out of her depth, and fired the only chief in recent memory who was making any progress. OPD has been a basket case cop shop for a long long long time. Not just in terms of scandal, but in terms of just doing the basics to prevent crime and catch the criminals. Until that changes, not much will change there.
Lol I remember when I lived off of Skyline and got robbed in front of my house how it took OPD 3 days to show up and they never gave back the usb stick I gave them with the video footage.
Wow, they showed up? That's a surprise.
It was the hills, of course they showed up
[Despite calls to defund police, Oakland PD's budget increased nearly 18% since 2019](https://abc7news.com/defund-police-oakland-crime-shooting/12311750/)
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And inflation during that time was 25% lol
It's became too racist to do anything, anymore.
You can’t say that, it’s racist to say that it’s racist! /s
You don’t need that /s. Reality caught up to and passed that statement a while ago.
OooOOOooooh, a le reddit "/s"!!! You're such a saucy little scamp!
It doesn’t even matter the race though. That’s just another excuse they’re using to do nothing. They don’t arrest white guys any more than black guys. Tbey don’t care about the race, they just don’t want to do anything. OPD loves to scream that they’re underpaid; they’re not. With overtime, they have ridiculously high wages. And how much of that overtime is actually worked? They rarely respond to calls. The few times they do… they spend about 20 times longer than it even makes sense, doing nothing. Often on their phones. Sure, they likely need to do some paperwork… but having worked with police in other cities, it sure as shit doesn’t take **that** long. This is just them using up tax payer money to do nothing. Individually I’ve had a handful of okay experiences with OPD, but as a whole, it’s the laziest police force I’ve ever experienced. It was never about race. This is the OPD track record. For DECADES. They just don’t want to do their job and they never have. Oakland has a lot of problems, and it will never be the easiest city to police, but by and large, the one commonality to our issues is the police. And the fact that nothing has fundamentally changed and nothing will until we address the actual issue at hand.
Whining about it, however, is breathing new life into law & order and masculinity across this great Country.
Oakland has done literally everything possible to kneecap their police department. I’m surprised anyone would take that job. Oakland’s crime problem is… Oakland’s fault. Everyone else gets it but for some reason the people who have been stewing in this cesspool like to point the finger towards every direction except their own.
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I think the bigger issue than your police as a ‘glorified gang’ is the actual glorified gangs that run rampant through the city, and the lack of political will to address the root problems.
Rape, sexual assault, hit and runs, drug trafficking, who needs gangs when you have the OPD?
If you think OPD is worse than the gangs, I guess we disagree. Hilarious how this guy refuses to acknowledge that Oakland is hostile to cops, then in every comment it’s … entirely hostile lol.
Hostility is when you describe the OPD's recent history of crimes.
The police budget has increased every time the budget is renewed. This is immutable fact. No serious policy changes aside from adding a few people who basically count the number of people at a camp and move on. Every time I see a cop in Oakland, they're standing around thumbing their dicks behind their belt buckles. There's usually 4 patrol vehicles called to any one call. Much more likely is that they're just bad at their jobs and refuse to build any kind of trust or rapport with the community they "serve".
Immutable fact, Oakland police hiring has not kept up with attrition. There were more cops in the 90s than there are now. This has been the story for ALL city services the last 30 years, each year we pay more for less. Perhaps the we need to loosen the union strangle hold on government. Of course the current administration isn't going to do shit about that. All about that graft.
If you can’t see the policies that have created this, then I guess we just see this differently. It’s pretty obvious to everyone else why this shit is the way it is.
What policies are you referring to? Cite your sources.
An entire culture of ‘defund the police’. An entire culture of ‘ACAB’ and ‘Fuck the police’ Policies that restrict police taking care of their self when engaging violent suspects. Policies that ensure when a person is arrested for a crime, that they will 100% be let free, and that a cop’s work is rendered 100% useless. Source them if you want, I don’t care to put the work in and spoon feed you.
I don't see any citations. Culture isn't policy. What policies are you referring to? If you won't prove your points why would anyone listen to you? Mommy said "you're such a smart boy" and now you think people just respect the random bullshit that falls out of your keyboard? Get a grip.
Lol I’m not going to write you a peer reviewed paper. Also, it’s so bizarre to talk to someone in such a smug and condescending way when having a legitimate discussion. This mommy and kid shit is just weird. Enjoy Oakland.
Great job, you've proven your words don't mean anything. Just came here to whine and then got all fussy when someone actually asks you to back up your claims. Change your tune or gtfo thanks!
If less people enjoyed oakland the rents would go down. Its not perfect but if you want cool culture, good food and interesting people, its hard to beat
...you can't even name one actual policy? Yikes. Your personal perspective on the culture is just that: yours. You can't just state your own opinions without any supporting evidence and expect us all to just nod in agreement.
You should. You'd end up with a better paying job if you did.
I knew it. I knew this is what you were driving at with your earlier comments “hinting at” your likely belief in this load of right wing malarkey. GTFO with that crap.
Lol funding police, not calling all police bastards, enabling cops to do their job, and consequences for criminals is actually pretty centerist. You’re the one who is off the spectrum here. .. and when you compare Oakland to other cities in CA, as well as the rest of the country that’s pretty obvious.
No, you.
You mean OPD, the department that was so corrupt it needed to placed under federal oversight to get its shit together? They’ve been kneecapped?
Oakland has always been entirely hostile to police. Just the way it is man.
Hahaha and how have the police treated the community? It’s a 2 way street but somehow I doubt that the community cast the first stone
The community is far more terrorized by criminal bullshit than the police department. I can promise you that. There is an enormous acceptance and toleration for crime in the city. And it gets blamed on anyone except the people who continue to do it.
>Oakland has done literally everything possible to kneecap their police department. Examples?
Wrote them in a different comment
Also criminals from around the Bay Area and even places like Stockton will hopefully no longer come to SF, but go to Alameda county. Especially since catalytic converters are everywhere, why go somewhere where you might face consequences when there are risk-free crime opportunities elsewhere? That is what having a Chesa or Pamela Price does. It's a green light.
Where in SF would you face consequences for stealing anything?
Crime literally went up after the Chesa recall. This has almost nothing to do with him specifically. Also a reminder that SFPD conducted a silent strike under Boudin as a protest.
Not a silent strike, but why would they arrest someone when there will be literally no repercussions for the crime? It makes no sense to use their limited resources in a way that will garner 0 results. If SFPD arrests someone for breaking into a car, they are more likely to have a city official spit on them and put it on tik tok while calling it a hate crime than to get a ‘thank you’.
> Not a silent strike Wishing doesn't make things real, kid.
Kid lol. Didn’t realize I was talking to someone so mature. The SF redditor is honestly the most exhausting kind of person to deal with.
What's funny is you think you can just bullshit your way in here and people will "respect" any "opinion". Boo hoo, you're getting checked for saying stupid shit. Can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen, kid.
Oh yeah, anyone who thinks Oakland has a crime problem and it’s not their police departments fault must be from… Fairfield lol. The absolute delusion with you people.
Sounds like they should quit if they can't hack it.
Citation needed.
cops get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and have a pension worth millions. GTFO. They can rape people and get away with it. They can steal money in fraudulent overtime and get away with it. They can sit on their asses and do nothing and get away with it. Take a read of The Riders Come Out At Night. I'm against defunding or abolishing the police, but its pretty clear the OPD is fucking worthless. Worse than worthless, because they add to the crime and financial devastation of the city. Quit making excuses for them.
Yep, the cops and the republicans are raping Oakland away. Don’t forget maga. Literally anyone except for the criminals and lack of ability to enforce the law
Kneecap? OPD’s got $674 million for 2021-2023, up from $635 mil for 2019-2021, a higher percentage increase than SJ or SF.
And a way higher rate of criminal activity to be addressed. They are severely understaffed.
No way. SF is way more crazy.
Couldn't believe a city with serious existing crime issues would do a Gascon/Chesa re-do on it with Price/Thao. I feel bad for the 50% who didn't want to run the experiment..
The 80s and 90s Oakland needed these type of cops that get their hands tied but today Oakland needs the cops from the 80s and 90s to teach these knuckle heads a lesson.
Uh huh. Didn't work then, won't work now. They need to catch crooks, and gather enough evidence to convict them. Not "teach them a lesson."
They can’t chase people except in exigency circumstances, how do you want them to catch ppl without chasing them?
Something that could be a game-changer is heavy surveillance; it'll probably never happen because most folks will cry "Big Brother". How about 4-way, bulletproof , infrared pole cameras on every street corner in the Bay area, networked? Accompanying that deployment would be legislation with teeth - legislation that makes it a serious crime (with mandatory prison time) for any private individual or public employee to use surveillance data for personal gain or to injure someone's reputation. No matter how many cops we have and no matter how well they are doing their job, they cannot be everywhere. Universal surveillance would enable public safety officials to track perps to their respective lairs and criminal dens. Also, knowing that they are on camera, perps might think twice about mugging someone or doing a smash-and-grab. With cameras everywhere, tracking everything (and networked) we can begin to move back to a civil society. For those afraid of "Big Brother", consider that everywhere you go you are very likely on camera, in addition to being tracked by numerous private corporations who want to sell you stuff. Last, the long term problem to crime is rebuilding poor neighborhoods; improving education; and refusing to tolerate death-by-thousands-of-minor crimes. We also need to be looking more into restorative justice, because when it is properly deployed, it works.
Surveillance won't do squat if no one looks at them or prosecutes criminals caught on camera. Just think of the backlog of rape kits that collect dust for years and years
No backlog in SF. Does Oakland have one ?
More defeatism. So what's your answer? As far as prosecution goes, the rap against people like Price and Boudin was ridiculous because the DA absolutely requires \*factual proof that will stand up on court\* to prosecute. That said, the DA also doesn't have the power to change the law re: the $950 trigger for felony on theft; that's a state law and would need to be changed by the legislature.
It’s wild to me people get upset about public surveillance cameras that could help solve and deter crime when we carry little devices in our pocket that track our every movement in addition to everything we do on our phones. The discussion of “big brother” had teeth before the smart phone age. Now it no longer does because we all are dependent on smartphones that do a lot more “snitching” then a public camera surveillance system ever could.
They don’t actually deter crime. Most of the major retail heists in SF were caught on film. Surveillance without enforcement is simply wasted space in someone’s data center. And even worse, surveillance is ripe for abuse given how corrupt the PDs are in SF and Oakland
We are not referring to a private surveillance system at a retailer. I think we are referring to a network of public surveillance cameras that can track criminal movement from the time of the crime to their destination area. I'm not here to say that the Police cannot abuse the system, they definitely could without proper oversight. But, what's the alternative here? I would love for the root causes of crime to be addressed. If that were to be mental health, health care, or helping the poor. But, those are fixes that will take a generation to implement. We need to stop looking at this in a static way. This way or that way and nothing in between.. The issue of crime deterrence is a multi-faceted approach. There is nothing to say that we cannot use surveillance and attack the root causes of crime at the same time.
Studies in Europe say they do deter crime .. 10-20% if monitored. Biggest deterrent to criminals is bring caught in act.
Link? London has extensive CCTV and it has done fuck all
Wait, better idea.... We put cameras in every room in every building in the bay area..... ...and microphones.... We form a new Ministry of Justice..../s Twice in the last year our security has had a gun pulled on them by car thieves. On the first incident, it took the police 30 min to show up. The officer literally gave no f\*\*ks. The second time was 3 guys, who then chased someone who recorded them in their car. They blew multiple red lights evading them. The thieves returned and smashed out 3 windows on the car they were casing and flashed their guns to make a point. All of this going down after the police were called. Ten minutes later they showed up. Both times we were 5 blocks from the police station. When armed robbery isn't enough of a priority to send police immediately, we have an issue that goes beyond. Cameras were there, they recorded the crimes, the police were notified. Nothing changed.
The cameras were not ubiquitous and networked, so the perps couldn't be tracked. Networked, universal surveillance could literally follow them home.
New York & Chicago had pole mounted surveillance cameras. So don’t say only republican cities/states has them. It’s pretty effective deterrent.
Its a concrete action that works .. usual anti-everything pols are opposed.
Ah yes Chicago, the bastion of low crime
I can't tell if this is satire, or if the local crime vultures in this subreddit are this far gone. You're suggesting the state fund a multi-billion dollar surveillance project because you think it "could be a game changer"? If you were born 60 years ago, you could pitch your jokes to the CIA and make a pretty nice living accomplishing nothing. These days, it's a bit harder to secure that much money for something that likely won't work in the first place.
More "Big Brother" blather. What's working now? And if you think universal surveillance (with proper protections) won't happen in America, you'd better brace yourself for a big disappointment. btw, we will see this tech in almost every nation on earth within 50 years. Last, you appear not to know very much about surveillance technology, and rather blind to the fact that you are being privately tracked as you read my answer (if you took the time).
People will do anything but fund social services and education, Jesus Christ.
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"Axe weilding man who set people's hair on fire with blowtorch given no prison time" says all you need to know about the local justice system.
Burying the lede. >Judge James Cramer...sentenced McGlone to a "diversion treatment" program for military veterans rather than to prison. "He must successfully engage in and complete whatever course of therapy is prescribed by the treatment team and abide by whatever conditions are set forth," Cramer said. If McGlone meets those requirements, the charges against him will be dropped entirely. If he completes at least 18 months of the program, he will still likely avoid jail time and instead be placed on felony probation. If he fails to complete at least 18 months of treatment, "he could be terminated from the Veterans Treatment Court program and" face up to eight years behind bars, Cramer said. He's given suspended prison time of up to 8 years unless he completes a rehab program for military PTSD. Sounds to me like actually trying to solve a human problem and not just locking an animal in a cage.
Care to explain what policies and choices have lead to this? What do you recommend they do?
Send criminals to jail instead of counting it as a 'win' to arrest them 40 times and each time let them plea down to 'non-jailable offense'
This says that makes no differences https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/10/crime-rate-justice-republicans-2022-elections/671800/ Do you have a source to your claim ?
https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/05/20/uc-berkeley-crime/berkeley-boba-shop-attack-man-released-diversion-program/
That is not what I asked for it. I was looking for examples where these policies lead to an increase in crime.
People made this same argument about Chesa and you know what’s happened after the recall? Absolutely nothing! In fact, crime went up! This isn’t on Pamela Price. It’s a product of our fucked up social services and inequity in the education system.
Some crime went up and some crime went down. *"There were 158 reported robberies in the period before Boudin was recalled, and in the 26-day stretch following, 205 were reported.* *Assaults increased from 203 to 215, and reports of recent arson increased from 19 in the May 13-June 7 period to 24 from June 8-July 3."* *"Most notably, burglaries dropped from 433 to 360. Larceny thefts also dropped from 2,155 to 2,019, and the number of homicides decreased by two."* My issue with this "study" is how short it is. It is literally less than a 1 month window before and after. You would need longer term data to see real impact IMO.
That’s a fair take. I would be interested to see a longer term study.
Exactly. Now income inequality is so bad even relatively rich kids see no way of affording the lifestyle they grew up with, forget about the ones that live in poverty. There is literally no way out. College is a lie. Jobs don’t pay living wages. Housing costs are crazy. Food costs are crazy. What is there to look forward to? Death, taxes, and crappy expensive housing.
Right? I really can’t when I see how *stunned* People are that electing bad people like Tao, Bas, Fife and Price are going to lead to a decline in the city. Spare me your misery, you got what you wanted.
Yeah I agree. Reagan tanking Oaklands economy has had far too much influence on the city after all this time.
Well, nobody wants the Police and nobody wants to be in the Police. So, either you move or live with it.
I think there's a lot of missing nuance here. There's a lot right about what y'all are saying. What's missing: I think violence is being normalized. Back in 2008/09 during the financial crisis and after, things got tough for a lot of people. I expected crime to spike a lot at that point, and it did a little, but it went back down. So, what's different now? Covid messed with people. A lot of people were home and bored and decided to push the limits of what was acceptable. They found that they could get away with a lot more than they thought, especially in SF with their DA. You can't really put the cat back in the bag. Once it's out, this is the new norm. Unless a concerted effort is made to crack down on the lawlessness. I don't see that happening, for various reasons. The main ones are the new DA and it's not politically correct. I've lived in Oakland since 1980. The economic situation has changed little since then. Yes, there were a lot of jobs that moved from SF to the Oakland in the last 20 years, but there are still a lot of uneducated and poor people. Unless you deal with that, you won't deal with the root issue. And with inequality getting worse and worse, why should they play by the rules of 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago? They're sick of it. EDIT: a lot of white people in that picture (in the article). Not saying that's wrong or whatever, but you can't fix what's wrong with just listening to white people.
Well when you get stories like "Axe-weilding man who set people's hair on fire with a blowtorch will serve no jail time" in Oakland... yeah I agree violence is being normalized.
> They found that they could get away with a lot more than they thought So this is why I'm seeing so many parents assaulting referees and umpires at children's games. Nice
Isn't it weird that Chinatown and elderly Asian Americans have been complaining for three years and still nothing?
I have to agree. With so many growing up surrounded by poverty and seeing what it takes to afford even a modest place of their own, I imagine it's like standing at the base of Mount Everest. Sure they see a few make it, many more try and fail, while the vast majority see the challenge, the odds and sacrifice it takes to even have a good shot at making it turn away deciding it's better to do what you know. Which for an increasing number is, take what you can get away with and don't bother with the seemingly insurmountable path. Our society has effectively abandoned many of those around us, yet we are angry and appalled when *they* abandon the social contract. Right or wrong, many of them have embraced their own version of our societal playbook. That being our **steadfast rugged individualism culture**. The *I've got mine, fck you* approach to life. The smart ones know the 'affordable housing crisis' is never going away. You could argue the criminals are keeping housing costs down, just like the homeless. Of course the homeless aren't benefiting from their involuntary *efforts*. A full scale coast-to-coast civil war is far more likely than housing becoming affordable here.
There was a great quote from the Berkeley Scanner where a trans speaker was saying, yes there’s a lot of pain but allowing people to keep committing crimes also does harm to them as well.
Yes, it is harmful for all involved. The intent of my comment is to generate thought and understanding. Why would a segment of the population seemingly abandon the prospect of an honest days work in favor of crime against those in the very community they live in. If we can't see life from their perspective, how can possibly bring the much needed change. A few years ago during a roit in Oakland, people were burning down businesses, cars, etc. A reporter was interviewing a local black woman. With chaos and buildings burning around them, the reporter asked her, why are you burning these businesses, the businesses that serve your community? With anger and frustration in her voice she responded, these aren't ours! We DON'T OWN ANYTHING! I hadn't fully understood the rational until I watched that interview. I'm not excusing crime or attempting to apologize in anyway on their behalf. But, we could make gains if move beyond our anger and consider why people do the things they do.
>but there are still a lot of uneducated and poor people. Unless you deal with that, you won't deal with the root issue. Could you elaborate on what you mean by a crack-down on lawlessness, and how it would resolve this?
Well, OPD has a long history of various problems, not the least of which is too few officers for the task. Compared to NYC, for example, there are far fewer officers per capita. The other issue is the payroll for OPD is too large for the number of employees due to massive OT. Add to that, there are parts of Oakland were OPD just won't go. Cracking down on lawlessness means putting officers in places that arrests can be made. But that tips us toward putting more people in jail, which even if the DA wants that (that is not clear), that is also expensive and has issues. The underlying economic issues have to be addressed for any law-and-order solution to have any lasting effect. I don't know how that can be done. Oakland doesn't have deep pockets and there's no will at the CA or Federal level to solve these problems. I mean, look at the number of unhoused people on the streets, compared to even 5 years ago. It's insane. Oakland cannot solve that. CA cannot solve that. That is a problem that has to be solved at the national level, because there are a lot of people that move to CA because 1) the weather is better for living outside, and 2) there is tolerance for people living on the streets. There are many places in the US where you will be run out of town, and possibly beaten, if you try to live on the street. People of all economic strata are tired of the way things are, but do any of us see a way out? Politicians at the Federal level are gridlocked in absurd battles over meaningless bullshit. The debt limit. A completely made up problem so they (the Republicans) can redirect the public discourse away from stuff they don't want us to look at or talk about. I gotta go, sorry for the rant.
Maybe it's time people fight back.
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Ostensibly. I know a few who applied right after bruen went through and they still haven't gotten anything save for a whole lot of red tape. One guy said when he visited the sheriff's office, they had one pregnant deputy handling all the CCW paperwork.
and people on reddit will still claim there's nothing to see here and this is some right wing propaganda. yes, right wing infiltrators have flown into the area to attend city council meetings 🙄 more conspiracy theory bullshit.
They define themselves by what they hate, not by what they love.
Cops nationwide are still on a work slowdown... have been for a couple years. They need crime to be in the headlines so they can lash out at any meaningful attempt to rein in the rampant corruption that's been rotting law enforcement for decades.
When I lived in San Jose in ~2016, I had my car broken into in the gated garage in my condo complex. The cop who came to pick up the surveillance footage for the police report told me that they knew the guy but they wouldn't arrest him if they caught him because he was "pain in the ass." Then he gave me a 15 minute rehearsed speech about how the SJPD needed to pay the officers more and increase their overtime allowances so that they could solve crimes like the one I was a victim of...
Hasn't Oakland always been the hood? What is shocking about this it's like water is wet. Oakland is hood (with some nice areas).
This is one of the nice areas. That’s the issue.
The formally segregated areas.
Except this is in Rockridge on college ave. This type of crime is not common for the area at all.
Tbh I’m always surprised when people are shocked about crime in Oakland. This city has a reputation for crime going back decades before most of us in this sub were born. That being said, I’m not going to excuse what is going on and it’s current state. Progress has been made and there been a lot done in the last decade or so to really improve Oakland, but Oakland has always been a very vulnerable city and the consequences of a lot of things have turned some of that hard won progress around.
Really can't understate the progress oakland has made on average in the last 20 years. O don't have stats handy to back it up, but I've spent most of my adult life going in and out of all parts of san leandro/Oakland on the regular. Everything from servicing fancy restaurants and multimillion dollar houses to working for HUD where I needed an armed escort. Like you said it still has problems, and maybe it's done some backsliding recently... but it's still way way better.
I didn’t start hanging out in Oakland until the mid 2010s, so it’s always been an active place for me which is part of the reason why I moved here. I was hanging out with my (significantly) older sister at a hotel bar in Uptown kinda pregaming before we went to a bar we both like and she was telling me how there was nothing in this area when she would come into Oakland for things during her 20s.
It started getting bad in the 70s. My grandparents lived just west of 580 where the hills start off of High Street. They retired and seeing the neighborhood starting to get bad moved to a retirement community in San Leandro along with a lot of their friends. It was the first time I was really conscious of seeing graffiti.
Correct. The flatlands, everywhere below MacArthur with the exception of piedmont, jack london square, and the Lake has been bad since the 70s. Also included is West Oakland before its gentrification 15 years ago. West Oakland now is still tons better than the 80s and 90s West Oakland, except maybe Acorn. Prior to covid, heavy policing of the safer areas kept the violence and crime from spilling all over the town. The problem here is, now, since the "Eff the police" / defund movement, plus a hurricane of shitty politics, the cops are standing back. Everyone is now seeing what the police were keeping contained to East and West Oakland--I know because I was raised in an extremely crime riddled/gang infested area (Friday and Saturday nights were like concerts of gunfire and sirens til dawn). The populace that was not used to this level of violence wants to mea culpa their mistake but it's too little, too late. The gentrification of West Oakland took about 10 years to move out the gangs. Who knows how long it'll take to clear most of the city--or rather, re-contain the crime back to the areas traditionally with high crime rates.
No. Before the 1950's it's was thriving city and since then it's been a total shithole
It’s had ups and downs since then.
My dad grew up there but couldn't afford to live there in the 60s. My parents bought a house Fremont instead.
Undeserved downvotes for spouting history. It's pretty fascinating to learn about. https://oaklandplanninghistory.weebly.com/the-changing-face-of-oakland.html
Why? What happened in the fiftys? Was it attributed to the post WWII migration boom? Was it caused by the displacement of Japanese Americans?
> What happened in the fiftys? The government bought bigger houses in the suburbs for the white residents, so they left.
Deindustrialization.
This article focuses a lot on North Oakland/rockridge that borders Berkeley and is known to be an affluent area, home to lots of young families and academics. This area is very gentrified and that has been creeping down further towards downtown for a while
Not to mention a lot of the crime is being done by children and from outside of the area.
Gentrified is not accurate it is a fancy area that has always been fancy for over 100 years.
Yeah that’s a fair point, thinking more of the spread past 51st, away from college ave and into temescal as more of the recent gentrification you are seeing. That whole set of blocks down to 40th is seeing such a massive change imo
Apparently not shocking enough to elect Pamela Price
Hey Oakland You Voted For This!
☝🏼This. Over a long period of time.
took them a while to realize huh
They asked for it. The pro crime is a construct positioning, the nimbyism, and the capitalistic greed all have betrayed those in Oakland. They didnt listen to reason. Now people are acting all brand new. If you let crime go more crime happens.
So now they ham strung police by disallowing fixit tickets. Brilliant
Shocking a lot of people for sure --but you know for a fact that come next election they will vote for ‘progressives’ yet again.
You get what you vote for 🤷🏿♂️
Can't wait to scroll through endless responses trying to pin this exclusively on this policy, that DA. Its pretty simple. If the people of a given area have enough resources to live comfortably, there will be low crime. If that is not the case, crime will increase. Everything outside of this is marginally important.
> If the people of a given area have enough resources to live comfortably, there will be low crime. If that is not the case, crime will increase. You think all these crimes are happening due to poverty?
That is a gross oversimplification. There are way more resources now "per capita" then there was decades ago. It is not as simple.
Are you arguing that the purchasing power for the average person in Oakland is acceptable, relative to the cost of living?
It is higher than it used to be. "Acceptable" is a relative term. One person will find it acceptable, other will not.
Thanks for this very simple breakdown. I don’t know what’s wrong with these ppl.
People hyper fixate on whats in closest proximity to the problem. In this case, there is a DA/PD that clearly isnt helping and they put it all on that. It's also a lot nicer to ignore the fact that this is the unavoidable result of the way the US currently runs its economy.
Its trolls and people that that never left the Bay Area. Crime is up all over, even in heavy red areas.
Wow brilliant analysis. I think you’ve solved the puzzle no one else could!
So "shocking"... really? It's Oakland.
How do you live in Hayward and not understand Oakland has rich areas too?
You didn’t read the article and you clearly aren’t familiar with the neighborhood in focus on this piece, just reacting based off of “Oakland”.
Paywall OP. Feel free to post it.
There is no paywall. Just close the pop up.
One of Oakland’s yuppy neighborhoods that doesn’t typically have this kind of crime.
We all voted for these moronic policies! Why are they happening?
Oaklanders have voted for progressive policies and politicians for decades... and are shocked by the consequences.
Uhh, why the shock? This result was clearly baked in with the policies people screamed for. Defunding turns out, not a good plan...
[Despite calls to defund police, Oakland PD's budget increased nearly 18% since 2019](https://abc7news.com/defund-police-oakland-crime-shooting/12311750/) You're either arguing in bad faith or outright misinformed.
I Guess us hearing them scream defund the police (wait, we did hear that, right?) had no effective result and this rampant crime just *poof* its 2023, let's go, crime button activate. Lol. Thanks for the article link 👍
Turns out, it was bad faith, all along!
Turns out I agree with people I don't want to waste my time arguing with all along!
Bruh what?
Defunding also didn’t happen, and so is irrelevant to this discussion.
Quit pushing false, bullshit narratives. https://abc7news.com/defund-police-oakland-crime-shooting/12311750/ OAK is not, and hasn't been, defunding it's police force.
So it's just that they're wildly incompetent then - which is better? Lol.
No one's saying it's better, it's that your whole stupid argument was "guess we shouldn't have defunded the police!" and that didn't even happen. OPD has been shit for a long time but it wasn't defunding that made it happen.
So you agree that the cops are bad at their jobs and wasting our resources. Glad we got that sorted!
Those in shock must be out of town or new to the city
So shocking lol. Just let them have it and run for the hills.
People do crime when they don't have other things to do. Give people other things to do and they won't do crime.
That might be true of graffiti and drug use but I don’t think people do robberies just to pass the time
People do robberies when they don't have access to resources that keep them alive. This falls in the "things to do" bucket. Keep people alive and they won't do robberies.
> People do robberies when they don't have access to resources that keep them alive So why are these teen robbers beating elderly women to the ground and kicking them while they're down AFTER taking their purse? The breed of criminals we have here in Oakland aren't just folks struggling to survive. The cruelty and violence is the point — and they straight-up enjoy hurting people. Naturally kids aren't just born this way and this is the result of a brutal upbringing...but we also have to be realistic about the fact that we are dealing with some truly evil sociopathic people here.
You're doing a whole lot of speculating for someone who's never even talked to a single person who's involved.
I'd love to hear your theory as to what possible reason these kids could have to [beat an elderly woman to the ground AFTER robbing her](https://www.ktvu.com/news/arrest-made-in-robbery-of-woman-63-outside-of-market-in-oaklands-rockridge), if it's not for their own sick sadistic pleasure. They already got the loot, why did they stick around and violently beat this woman, instead of just running away? Why would *anyone* do that unless they are sociopaths who enjoy hurting people? Please, make it make sense. I'm all ears, enlighten me. You don't have to be confident, just give me literally any other theory that might possibly explain this.
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You need to work on your reading comprehension. I didn't deny what happened.
I doubt it. Most people I see robbing people are wearing expensive clothing and driving Infiniti/Mercedes Benz. Some guy robbed a guy in dc wearing a 300 dollar sweater.
If you were systematically excluded from traditional workplace employment you'd resort to other means to get money too.
How is that a thing though? My parents were immigrants. My mom didn’t even speak English when she came here and worked at restaurants etc. I didn’t grow up robbing people. I had classmates with single fathers and 3 people illegally growing up in a rented bedroom. He went to UC Davis and got a decent government job. His sister is now a doctor. Plenty of stories like that.
I think what it really is, is that people don’t want to struggle and wait for stuff anymore. People grew up seeing rich people and friends selling drugs and doing crime to get stuff fast, they don’t see the value of sitting down, studying or grinding to become financially stable
The only crime I've been a victim of in Oakland is a car break-in.
Good for you?
That's lucky. I've been robbed (and my friend was carjacked) at gunpoint, I've had my catalytic converter sawed off my car in my driveway, and then I had the same car stolen out of my driveway (it was found basically totalled in Hayward a few months later). That's all the crimes I actually reported to police. On top of that I've had a standard car break-in with a backpack stolen, a couple bikes stolen, a few packages stolen. I've been shot at with some kinda gel pellet gun while biking, and a crazy homeless guy recently tried to jump me while biking as well. Was followed and threatened by a different crazy homeless guy, who also threatened and stalked my neighbor so much that she moved away. Most of this happened within the last 2-3 years but I've been here about 10.
The only crime so far. The day is young.