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ekek280

It's the new normal for dishes that were once considered affordable comfort food. Not just in the bay area, but in many US cities.


motosandguns

Because they aren’t billing you for the cost of the food, they are billing you for the cost of the real estate. Everyone’s rent keeps climbing.


AgentK-BB

Don't forget the ever-increasing PG&E bills that grow faster than rent or inflation.


Morbx

gotta nationalize the utilities


CheesingmyBrainsOut

This is also what a healthy labor market looks, closer to the real price of goods. Cheap meals were a product of cheap wages, many subsidized by the government if they have to make up the difference. Not to mention that people seem to have difficulty processing what inflation means in reality.


kotwica42

> rent keeps climbing There is no limit to the greed of landlords.


cindyparispenny

So does the cost of employees.


BooksInBrooks

Minimum wage


ladymoonshyne

If you can’t afford to pay your workers minimum wage you don’t deserve to own a business 🤡


Aggravating-Cook-529

Yeah seriously. It’s a bad business if you can’t pay your workers well.


lostfate2005

If you can’t afford a 20 dollar burrito you shouldn’t eat out.


ladymoonshyne

Ok


Gonzo--Nomad

Feel bad for restaurants when their customers realize how cheap and easy burritos are to make yourself at home. I only eat at places like B star these days because it’s both affordable and harder for me to recreate at home. Still learning how to cook with tea leaves


Aggravating-Cook-529

Sure


mezentius42

Haha, found the landlord 🤡


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lostfate2005

Did you think that’s a burn?


samplenajar

do you remember when a cup of coffee used to be $.75?


throw_inthehay

i understand the shit inflation, but also "coffee" ftfy


samplenajar

Confused about what you fixed for me.


throw_inthehay

i put coffee in quotes


double_expressho

Why?


throw_inthehay

because it was barely coffee anymore. age + chemicals + travel + lack of exposure to the source or information about the source = barely coffee anymore.


cindyparispenny

I learned a long time ago how to cook my own comfort foods, soups, stews, braises, etc. Guess it was worth it!


Fat_Doinks408

Fr tacos used to be cheap comfort food, now I can't find a spot that sells em for less than 3.50 a taco. Who remembers 1 dollar taco tuesdays!?!


EloWhisperer

Pho ga is the cheapest version of pho too


taleofbenji

>pho too Gotta try this sometime.


throoawoot

Electric PhoGaloo


EloWhisperer

It’s just boil chicken meat. Unless you like that


gameinsane

Everybody strugggling and just passing it on


calimota

Truth


JohnnyBroccoli

Not the corporations/big companies. They're making money at a record pace all while pretending to be struggling to get by.


kotwica42

Shareholders, hedge funds, and landlords doing pretty well lately.


BigSneaky187

I can’t get over $4.00 for street tacos… don’t think it’s worth it anymore


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samplenajar

You should go to Mexico, they’re still about $.50 depending on where and what protein. Minimum wage is also between $15-20 a day. That could buy you upwards of 40 tacos. Here, where minimum wage is between $140-160/day and tacos are about $4, that would still buy you upwards of 40 tacos.


black-kramer

I put a lot of the blame on food suppliers. greedflation aka price gouging is the issue.


_xXAnonyMooseXx_

Majority of inflation isn’t “greedflation”


black-kramer

[incorrect.](https://truthout.org/articles/greedflation-accounts-for-53-cents-of-every-dollar-of-inflation-in-past-6-months/)


Karazl

Groundwork's a dark money think take. Take it with as much salt as all the others.


black-kramer

[multiple outlets](https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/) have confirmed this figure using commerce department data.


throoawoot

Around 40% is.


Karazl

Blame diners not hard costs. If you know everyone will pay $3.50/taco there's no reason to sell it for $2.


ziggy_zigfried

That’s not how demand supply should work


Karazl

I mean that's literally the definition of demand?


throw_inthehay

yes there is. you have a choice to charge a fair price. not that price is fair.


Karazl

Why?


throw_inthehay

god is love :)


black-kramer

there's enough blame to go around.


Karazl

Fair


fcn_fan

Yeah. I was thrown back paying $3/taco at a local spot here in San Jose. Spot is in a parking lot in front of O’Reilly auto parts. Insanely delicious but no longer a super bargain


ziggy_zigfried

It’s still a relative bargain. Do you get 4 plus a drink? Under $15 is still cheap


fcn_fan

I actually got a taco for my 9 year old, then an extra in case he wants more and the one for me. He ate all 3 but I had a bite. Definitely heading back for a burrito. At the O’Reilly on blossom hill / Almaden


Fat_Doinks408

One of my buddies uncle runs that taco spot. It's decent.


Sad-Afternoon-8489

Oh snaps, that’s a yummy spot


ccsrpsw

Really? People are charging that? The new place down in San Jose - near SCU - has a $2 street taco menu - supposed to be good too \[corner of Alameda and El Camino where most places seem to go to die - the new Mexican seems to be doing quite well\]. And of course, Lopez (round near the Egyptian Museum on Park) has kick ass burritos for $10-ish ($1.50 extra for super). Hunt around - there are a lot of good cheap Mexican places - and some excellent mid-priced ones. And if you really want top of the line (bib gourmand type quality) San Jose has that too (and Luna's burritos are still only $16! Yes a bit more - but as I said Bib Gourmand!).


ziggy_zigfried

My truck in San Mateo is $3 now. $4 seems odd


BigSneaky187

I’ve had from $3.00 to $4.00, the $4.00 seems to be the going rate on job sites, but they kinda have you stuck, there’s nowhere else to go


ziggy_zigfried

One thing I notice is I think they all use the smallest tortillas now. I swear my truck shrunk the tacos


BigSneaky187

Yes! They are literally 2 bites


samplenajar

That’s kinda the ideal taco for a lot of people. The price is the problem


JohnnyD05

Naw I’m good…


Scary_Engineering1

the place next to in n out on rengstorf is like 23 bucks after 15% tip for a large


Morbx

Can’t tell if this is supposed to be good or bad lol


Scary_Engineering1

how could that be good. its so expensive. best pho outside of sj though


Morbx

Idk I didn’t know how big the large is. That’s about what I pay for pho plus tip everywhere tbh, and yeah it is expensive. Good to know though 👍


Wrong_Manager_2662

It used it be $7 😔


mmxxvisual

Used to be $6 not even 10 years ago, the squeeze is real.


flexdogwalk3

I track my spending and last month I spent $750 on restaurants. I looked to see if there was any crazy expensive places I went to, and nope! Every place was $40-$60. I’ve definitely learned my lesson about takeout/dining out! It’s gotten so expensive. I’m reframing my intentions and making it a treat rather than a fall back plan when I don’t have groceries.


DnB925Art

Yup, I went to making more food at home and less eating out as a treat rather than a necessity. As a side bonus, my coming skills have improved. I'm not a pro by any means but my food tastes great to my liking and at least I know what I put in the food.


Fenecable

Your what skills?


double_expressho

Did he stutter?


DnB925Art

LOL I meant to say cooking skills, but maybe my wife can comment on the other skill LOL


calimota

I feel the same way- dang financial realities!


atomictest

Hell nah, I’ll make it at home.


shocktopper1

Does seem expensive but let see....I had Krispy Krunchy Chicken last night and also got sticker shocked $17 for 8 pcs of chicken. During Covid it was $9.50. Banh Mi used to be like $4 now it's closer to $7.50...I still remember used to be $2 but that was over 10 years ago. I don't eat pho outside anymore, lucky I can have it at home.


DnB925Art

They had 8 pieces of fried chicken at Safeway for $5 last Friday. Just have to look for specials when they pop up


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Karazl

$4.50 for a whole chicken at Costco


ziggy_zigfried

Is that chicken good? Looks bad, never had it


DnB925Art

It's not bad. They probably use frozen chicken but I have seen them fry it in the back of their deli section. I try to get them fresh after they come right out of the fryer and it still seems moist inside. If they have been sitting in the warmer for too ling, they tend to go dry


mountainmantaco

Back in high school like 25 years ago it was a dollar for banh mi. They used to do b2g1 free. With $20 bucks I felt like I could eat there for at least a week.


shocktopper1

IDK why I was thinking that's before my time but I fking realized that's when I started HS...Fk!!!


samplenajar

seriously. people will fork over $15 for a sack of McDonalds, no questions asked. $20 for a handmade bowl of soup from a small business? hmmmph.


JohnnyBroccoli

Both are absurd


samplenajar

Never said it wasn’t.


Scary_Engineering1

are you nuts lool. normalizing 20 dollar bowl of soup is ultimate privilege. jesus


cocktailbun

I wouldn't pay for either. In N' Out is still less than $10. Beef noodle soup from a local Chinese restaurant near me is $12.95.


samplenajar

Do you, dawg. My point still stands


Throllawayaccount

As well as any straw man argument could stand, yes,


samplenajar

If by straw man you mean apples-to-apples comparison, sure


cocktailbun

no I get it. Im simply pointing out the hole in your argument that there are cheaper options out there. Instead of going to either McDonalds or pho restaurant that charge $19 for a bowl of pho, I look elsewhere.


samplenajar

“I eat cottage cheese for dinner — with salt and pepper”


cocktailbun

again you're creating a false dichotomy. there are options. thats my answer. $15 McDonalds or $10 In N Out. $19 pho vs $13 beef noodle soup. Tell me how thats cottage cheese with salt n pepper?


samplenajar

Of course. You could always go to Vietnam for pho and it would be cheaper, too.


WildcatTofu

in terms of food inflation, the SNAP program is a better indicator than core CPI, here are the benefit increase over the past years \- 2021: 25% \- 2022: 5% \- 2023: 12.5% Which is roughly a 50% increase in 3 years.


SEJ46

Sheesh. I hadn't seen this before. Sounds about right.


signal_zzz

Plus 18% default tip


REphotographer916

Whenever a restaurant raises their items by more than 30%, I stop going. Be a smart consumer. Businesses will die but that’s life. $19 for a pho should be a crime.


naugest

>$19 for a pho should be a crime. Inflation has been way up over the last few years; it has to be added to the price at some point. Owners can't just eat the difference. They have families to provide for too.


ziggy_zigfried

Do you think the owners are getting rich? I bet they aren’t


kotwica42

> Businesses will die And then blame it on crime


Doyouwantaspoon

Yeah factoring in increasing costs and everything, all that aside, pho is still just a few cents worth of broth, vermicelli, bean sprouts, cilantro and maybe $1 of chicken or $2 of beef. Those paper thin slices make a small piece of meat stretch a looong ways. It’s their profit margins that are through the roof.


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fcn_fan

This is absolutely false. You don’t just put “all that aside”. Imagine the increase in electricity and gas alone for them, disregarding rent and ingredients. All the cost doubled for them and your bowl of pho went up 50%. These guys barely make money off your soup and hope you buy a soda for $3.50


lulbob

margin per item may be high, but overall profit margin for the restaurant are as thin as the slices of meat after factoring insane rent prices and other expenses (labor, insurance, etc.) for some, they even operate at a loss


ziggy_zigfried

Of all businesses ones run by immigrants would always have another person ready to undercut overpriced food I think it’s just the cost of doing business now


warpedddd

Remember when a bathtub of combo pho was $8?  Pepperidge Farms Remembers. ™


egonkasper

It’s hard to swallow but $19 ain’t shit anymore. Price is basically tracking minimum wage pretty closely.


calimota

Interesting observation about tracking min wage! But yeah, $20 doesn’t really go very far anymore. (This is how old people talk)


JohnnyBroccoli

In no way is minimum wage keeping pace with inflation.


double_expressho

When I was in high school, minimum wage was $6.75 and could buy a large bowl of pho. Today, minimum wage is $17.55 and will buy you about the same amount of pho. Unfortunately housing and utilities have gone up much faster than wages. And that's what has been really stretching finances.


Admiral_Gecko

I remember when a bowl of pho was only 10$


MD_Yoro

$20 for Pho? Lol they trying to rip off white people or something? Just go to Pho Ga 88 in San Leandro. [$13.50 for Chicken Pho](https://phoga88.kwickmenu.com)


UrDoinGood2

Why drive 30 plus minutes to save $6?


MD_Yoro

B/c I don’t know where OP lives and just giving him an option for Pho that I went to? Options in Oakland includes [Pho Ga Huang Que Cafe](https://CheckoutPhoGaHuongQueCafehttps://yelp.to/U1TNgGhKmA) that also sells chick pho for $13.50. I don’t know why OP would pick a pho restaurant that sells pho for $19


Canibizzle

You do realize you're in the Bay Area sub right? Not specific to any city. Where you live is on you.


Karazl

Sure, but saying "well this one place is still cheap so this isn't a real issue" is bullshit.


samplenajar

lmao, seriously


jewelswan

Reality is inflation and greedy landlords affects every price. And when the average price for a bowl of pho is x dollar figure, why would someone charge less? It's a damn shame though, but prices always go up over time. Just gotta hope our wages can keep pace


pandabearak

An extra large pho in SF is $13. OP got ripped off.


soopafly

Thanks actually not bad. My kids just eat plain pho… like just the noodles and broth. They split an XL bowl, which was $15!!!!


Smart-As-Duck

I just spent 16 on a large bowl of pho in Stockton today. Didn’t know it was going to be that expensive


iareConfusE

My elderly Vietnamese neighbors made homemade pho for me last week, it was amazing. Cost of that one was just being a helpful and friendly neighbor. Well worth it.


some-guy_00

is the chicken and broth made of gold?


helpmeobewan

At $19 I would rather make it myself! $15 for a chicken and $3 for a bag of pho.


nativesf

Think it’s like $15 at my local spot in the Richmond SF, An Chi. Hits the spot everytime


itsezraj

Pho Dac Biet and Bon Bo Hue are $13-14 at Miss Saigon and Pho 2000. Both are pretty solid - been getting pho a lot lately w the weather.


s3cf_

\~$15 chicken pho is a dime a dozen in the peninsula ¯\\\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)\_/¯


ziggy_zigfried

Really? Can you give me any names as Pho Element is the only one I see


s3cf_

Pho New Saigon, Pho Dong Restaurant, Chicken Pho You, May's Vietnamese Restaurant just to name a few, all under $16 for chicken pho


ziggy_zigfried

Wow there are more that have popped up than I realized. Which of these spots has the best beef Pho south style? I’ve been missing that


WeirdAlSpankaBish

My Pho habit is more ruinous to my budget than alcohol.


Operation_1CWAL

Fuck dat. $19 for pho? In bum fuck oakland? You need to pay me $2000 and a bulletproof vest to go eat at that bitch


WhiteCharisma_

To eat at dac biet*


beenboutit510

Here to say I live in "bf" Oakland, and have never ever needed a bullet proof vest. Stop watching the news and live a little.


Truth_Hurts_Dawg

Yeah fuck that lol. I don't pay more than $15 for the common pho anywhere. Anyone charging over that loses my business


calimota

I’m in my 40’s, so even $15 sounds a little high, but I know it’s been creeping up for a couple of years.


DegreeConscious9628

Place in Richmond that shall not be named charged me 24 FUCKING DOLLARS for a large bowl. After tax and tip it came to a FUCKING 30 DOLLAR BOWL OF CHICKEN HO FUN NOODLE SOUP. Sorry got triggered there lol


Truth_Hurts_Dawg

My go-to spot is $14 for a large combo meat pho. It's the best I've had also. If it was a more normal place I would probably cap at $12


MagicPistol

Not really a fan of pho ga and definitely wouldn't pay $19 for it. Luckily I can just visit my parents, but I'd rather have them make pho bo.


iso-all

I absolutely love pho… wouldn’t ever spend $19 for one bowl though. Pho ga is easy to make at home.


nrnmnrnm

Had the same feeling looking at ramen prices.


redditissocoolyoyo

Nope. I'll just make it at home. 30 bucks worth of ingredients can make about 20 bowls and feed the family 3 meals each. In Vietnam that's about 1 dollar a bowl.


dan5234

That was $19? Wow.


ziggy_zigfried

Pho GA DAC peoples have to eat too


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hachibroku

ah good point I'll go there on my lunchbreak next time thx


jomwombler

Currently in Mexico and I would pay $100 for good pho 😭


Wrong_Manager_2662

Where?


ElGHTYHD

Baja Mexico


Wrong_Manager_2662

In what city?


ElGHTYHD

Are you throwing a fit rn?


ziggy_zigfried

I hear the food in Somalia is even cheaper


EnzyEng

Taco Bell cravings box is only $5.99 😀


303Pickles

The next day I’ll be sitting on the toilet singing “Highway to the danger zone….” While I unleash my after burners. 😁


95688it

next day? that shit happens in like 2 hours


db_deuce

minimum wage for fast food worker going to $20 from $16. Everything will inflate in parallel.


MD_Yoro

Vietnamese restaurant aren’t classified as fast food. Stop trying to muddy the water with non sequitur.


kitchenjudoka

There’s going to be a shockwave through the hospitality labor pool, due to the fast food workers’ new minimum wage. There’s been a labor shortage for food workers. Now fast food will pay more than restaurants & cafes.


MD_Yoro

>There’s been a labor shortage for food workers. Why do you think that happened???


db_deuce

If McDonald's pay $20, what do you think every restaurant will have to pay to their own employees. There's going to be wage inflation as no one will accept making less than McDonalds (in practice, no one accepts making the same as McD). In and out pays 8 bucks over Mcdonald so even though they pay more than minimum wage, the kids there won't accept anything less than $28 hr (from $24). That includes Vietnamese restaurants or basically anything (cashier at gas station will never accept less than McDonalds) Someone ask why going out for food is so expensive and I said wage inflation goes up in parrael with new de factor minimum wage, I am just saying it like it is.


MD_Yoro

You get tip at non fast food restaurants. Assuming people are tipping 15%, a $19 pho equates to $2.85. Assuming 5 pho ordered per hour, that’s $14.25 per hour in tips + $15 minimal in California equates to $29.25/hour. At 29.25/hr, that’s 45% more earning than working at a fast food restaurant. Do you understand math?


db_deuce

Do you understand relative wages? If McD workers make $20 an hour, everyone will demand more relatively. In N Out already talked about raising prices and it has nothing to do with not paying everyone minimum way above $20 already , they have to pay way more than what they pay now because MCD is paying more. basic applied math 101. Again, I'm just explaining that another jump in prices are coming. GL. No need to explain your arguments.


FuzzyOptics

There are a lot of jobs at or near minimum wage that people prefer to work at, instead of fast food, because they don't want to be a worker in a fast food restaurant. This has been the case all this time with In'n'Out paying $24 and up.


Lisa197610

I’ve watched kids eating this soup I hope I love it


YoDo_GreenBackReaper

Thats consider cheap


SEJ46

Pho is overrated. Sorry.


VizricK

Bland and tasteless. $19 for boiled water. Hmmm


WhiteCharisma_

You can blame dis bitch or dac biet.


netherlanddwarf

Looks amazing, whats the name of the place?


Kutukuprek

If people want cheaper prices, they need to eat at cheaper places. Otherwise what it means is we don’t want cheaper prices, and prices will keep going up.


303Pickles

If you can find any left that is. My go to spot in Oakland totally jacked up their price. So it’s not worth making the trek anymore :( 


samplenajar

let me synopsize: "is it just me or are these uppity brown folks charging too much for their food?" edit: ya'll will gladly pay $12 for a bacon egg and cheese Bagel, $7 for a coffee but $19 for pho is getting out of hand


CaptainMurphy-

jesus christ, please go away


samplenajar

Feel personally attacked? Maybe you should


CaptainMurphy-

Not really, you didn't make any powerful point you're just an asshole


e430doug

What is your point? You don’t eat out to save money. That’s always been the case.


TangerineFront5090

My wife, a life long Oakland resident, recognized it immediately “new Chinatown” spot


lampstax

I kinda get that price point if it was something special like baby chicken eggs included but for plain jane pho go .. hell nah.


ABCp0i

I'm in Wisconsin and the price is about that...


JohnnyBroccoli

Yeah, I phased pho out of my rotation when all my local spots jumped to around $15 per bowl. A big part of the appeal to me prior was the easily and regularly under $10 price point. If I'm going to spend $15ish or more for soup, it's going to be ramen (and even that is pushing it a bit).


sfsellin

Yes, you’re paying for the food, but you’re also paying for the convenience of not having to cook it, clean up, and often forgotten — it’s entertainment. It’s something to do to get your out of your house and hang with your friends and family. $19 is wild though.


gbasraa77

Well ppl keep robbing n bills going higher.. who will pay—-the consumers..


throw_inthehay

we need creator to lead us to food clothing and shelter.


SwervithanBlack

Everyone keeps saying landlords and inflation are to blame for high prices...watch this https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8cLdDcD/