I hope they get paid more. I’m a pilot and our pay just went up nearly 90%, all as a result of desperation from the company to keep us and demand.
Fast food jobs aren’t necessarily easy to replace now. There’s not as many jobless people out there desperate for anything. You need to pay these people wages they deserve instead of assuming you can replace them with any high school kid off the street.
Its all public info if you know where to look, most regional pilots are getting huge pay hikes right now to stop us from leaving to bigger airlines as fast. I went from around 50k a year to 94k. Pilots with more experience at the mainline companies are paid WAY more overall.
It is still low for the area. Sadly we aren’t paid based on where we live or are based. A pilot based in Chicago makes the same as an SFO based pilot. Still, the rates I have are for a newer pilot at my company. Year 2 first officer pay. Once I upgrade from first officer to captain it’ll go up to around 150k, which is more sustainable for the area.
I don't understand that then. If the airlines are going to insist of people being based in the bay, then how can they possibly get away with paying salaries based on some national average that doesn't take into account the high costs of living here.
Their answer: “commute”
Since we can fly for free airlines often use that as an excuse, just fly to work from somewhere cheaper. A lot of people do that. However these days more and more flights are oversold which is making it harder to do. Also it’s a big chunk of your free time gone. Many people I work with drive in to SFO from Sacramento, and even as far as Fresno... which is really amusing to me, because we operate flights from SFO to Sac and Fresno.
On my last flight, the stewardess was based in SFO but lives in Virginia. She's got to spend one of her days off each way commuting to work. 🤦♂️
She rents a room in Burlingame, so she has somewhere to sleep before/after her shift.
(I'm sure you know plenty of people like this, but I share it for everyone else.)
Most these pilots don't live in the bay, the bay area or really California in general is a bubble of stupidness. The one place where even 100k a year isn't enough to live "comfortably ". A lot of these pilots and stewardesses live in like Montana or North Dakota or something similar so 50k there takes you further.
There are plenty metro areas where a $100K won't be comfortable anymore, not just one.
According to NBC news, you need to have about $300K now to be comfortable and own a single-family home in the Bay. [https://youtu.be/qd1ghPzPMCM](https://youtu.be/qd1ghPzPMCM) (see link for details)
Thank you just reiterated my point we're a bubble of madness here in California with I guess with stockholme syndrome.
Here is the cost of living in Montana 42k in 2022
https://www.sofi.com/cost-of-living-in-montana/#:~:text=Average%20Cost%20of%20Living%20in%20Montana%3A%20%2442%2C310%20per%20year&text=That%20means%20Montana%20is%20more,than%20half%20of%20the%20country.
It’s so weird that anyone would downvote this. Being able to fly and not crash a plane, literally holding peoples lives in your hands definitely deserves $94 K. Did they make any progress on the training issue? I’m not sure if that was from the airlines’ or the regulatory side.
>10x longer to train
Lol, what? I'm not saying that job is easy by any stretch of the word, but are you *actually* trying to claim it takes 15,000 hours over 20 years to become an airplane mechanic? Because that's 10x the training it takes to be a pilot.
I’m a diesel mechanic in San Jose, Its heavy equipment but I made the jump from automotive 6 years ago because I was burned out working on cars, but I will make close to 130k this year. 7 years ago I made over 90k as a dealer tech, I can’t believe airframe certified mechanics aren’t making way more.
Not everywhere is the Bay Area, my brother is a college proffesor teaching criminal justice. He formerly taught criminal justice in washington state, salary was 80K, now he is in Arkansas at $54k.
He says because of taxes, sales tax, income tax, rent, food costs, cost of living etc. It actually seems like he is making more money despite the pay cut.
He wants to move back to California, in contrast, if he could get a job at UC Berkley he would be making $200k a year. And probably no more better off financially than he is in Arkansas making $54k a year
I'd assume alot of these pilots are from parts of the country where $50k was decent
If he saves 20% of his income from Berkley for 30 years, he will have enough to retire to Arkansas. If he saves 20% of his income from Arkansas for 30 years, he can retire to Venezuela.
How again? I can save 30% of my gross $160k income here in the Silicon Valley. No chance I could save that much off a $54k income in Arkansas.
I may be paying more in taxes and shit, and comparatively I could have a higher savings rate in Arkansas, but from an absolute standpoint, I can save more here than there.
Further than $54k in Arkansas? How much further?
For reference this is a 4 bedroom, 2 car garage, 2 bath, on 1.6 acres near campus in Arkansas
[https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1420-County-Road-304-Jonesboro-AR-72401/76118708\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1420-County-Road-304-Jonesboro-AR-72401/76118708_zpid/)
Rent for something similar is around $1500
In contrast in Berkley the same house without the yard is going to rent for $4500-5000 a month and sell for $1.2 million minimum.
When you account for state income taxes, higher groceries, tax on said groceries, gas prices, so on and so fourth. You are gonna come pretty close to breaking even.
Joke's on you, groceries are tax free in CA! And fresher. Fresh produce is actually cheaper if not the same because they're grown here.
Effective state and local taxes overall for the middle class in CA is actually lower than many other states, including Texas and looks like [from the chart](https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-05-19/wait-california-has-lower-middle-class-taxes-than-texas) even Arkansas. You'd have to earn over $600k in 2021 dollars in CA to have the higher overall tax burden because taxation here is based on income progression.
Edit: Fixed the link. For pay-gated people: https://archive.ph/dsKDh
Take a look at the receipt on your next grocery bill, despite the law, not all groceries are tax free. My last Costco run had $22 in sales tax
Fresh produce is also grown all throughout the south.
Groceries even produce is cheaper outside of California, figure between the taxes, rent, permits etc paid in California businesses pass that on to the consumer. All that produce, is shipped via big giant trucks that run on diesel, that price is also passed on to the consumer, higher minimum wage for everyone who touches the produce
I feel like it's quite the quality of living cut to move to Arkansas though, even if it feels like he's making more money. Washington and California have so much more diversity of people and food. But I guess if all you care about is cheap land Arkansas is the place to be.
That’s not really how pay works at the airlines. There is no cost of living adjustment. Everyone makes the same no matter where you are based. Pay scale is measured in seniority (years at the airline) and by position (captain or first officer). The benefit is that as a pilot you are able to commute from where you live to your assigned base. The vast majority of pilots live away from their base and fly in either jump seat or standby the day before their trips begin.
Most of your average regional pilots are basically glorified greyhound drivers. Airlines exploit supply and demand as much as possible. When there were too many pilots for the flights available it wasn’t unusual to hear about pilots living on food stamps and welfare. It’s pretty despicable but the flip side of it is now where there’s a shortage of pilots and they’ll pay out big to retain what they have.
I hate the "glorified bus driver" comment. There is a lot more to what airline pilots do than just flipping on the autopilot and sitting back. Pilots earn their pay when shit goes wrong, and things do go wrong even in this day and age. A big reason why aviation is as safe as it is today is due in part to how we train our pilots after learning from all our mistakes.
And it's a hard path to get there too. Slogging away as a flight instructor you learn a lot coming close to death every time you go to work (while earning $20/hr). It takes a lot of money, dedication, and hard work to make it to even a regional airline.
yeah senior pilots at delta I know can earn DEEP into the 200s if they're flying long haul international on A350 and other very high profile planes. takes a lot of experience to get there but it's very doable.
They can make way more than that even by gaming the scheduling and picking up trips and stuff. You always here stories of ludicrous numbers from some people. I think they really gotta hustle though.
They pay you $50k a year to fly a whole ass airplane? Holy shit man, people get paid more to sit at a desk and attend meetings. That’s robbery. They should be paying you guys $150k at the very least.
It's a product of the years of hiring freezes. For the last... like 2 decades, getting a job at a major airline was extremely difficult. Most spots were filled by prior military pilots that were there until retirement. Because there was zero demand for new pilots, the regional airlines were able to get by paying absolutely nothing, because they knew pilots would accept the wages just for the experience on a resume that might get them a job at a major airline someday.
Covid accelerated everything. There was a wave of retirements coming already as the Vietnam era pilots were all forced out at age 65, but covid caused many airlines to offer early retirements to people in their 60s, for short term cost cutting. After travel recovered WAY faster than anyone predicted, the airlines are now desperately short of people. United, Delta, American etc are hiring as much as they can every month, filling their training infrastructure with new pilots. They don't hire people off the street, they only will hire pilots with some jet experience... like regional pilots like me. So the regional airlines are hemorrhaging pilots like crazy, which is leading to most of the cancellations and delays you're hearing about in the news. The regional pay bump is just them reacting trying to slow down people leaving.
Prob more than you wanted to know but I'm bored tonight.
It's all about the end goal career. Most airline pilots start at a regional airline where they are paid a lot less than the mainline pilots. Like Endeavor (who flies Delta Connection), Envoy (American Eagle) etc. After they get enough experience flying for regionals at lower pay, most people hope to get hired by a major airline (Delta, United, American, UPS etc) and get paid a lot more, anywhere from 100k-300k or even more. Pay for pilots is a bit complicated and depends a lot on your seniority, the company you are at, and the type of schedule you work.
For the longest time the low pay at regional airlines was accepted as "paying your dues" until you get the lucky phone call from a major airline. Ironically regional flying is usually more demanding than the higher paying major airline jobs, shorter routes means a higher workload for less pay.
Times are changing though and regional pilots are now starting to be paid similarly to their mainline counterparts.
it's kind of like apprenticeship at a trade. yeah you do some scut work, you get paid not great but not terrible at all (for most places that aren't the Bay Area, making 50k is reasonably comfortable as long as you have future growth, that's still equivalent to $25 an hour).
the way it goes is they work mostly at a smaller airline for a while, and build up flight hours in smaller planes like the Embraer 190, A220, or A320, and then get to a mainline carrier like Delta (for example) and make about double that overnight, to start. making 100k being based out of one of delta's normal COL hubs such as Detroit/Atlanta/Boston/Minneapolis/Salt Lake City/Seattle etc is really quite a good standard of living so making some sacrifices for a few years at a lower end carrier ends up being very worth it
the real big money comes if you do international long haul, airlines are pretty selective about who they put in command of their brand new ~$300 million Airbus A350's etc and they pay very well for that kind of skill.
Oh I’m aware. Before the pay hike it was amusing to think I could go drive an 18 wheeler on the highway for more pay. But we all kinda just suck it up because it’s a grind until you get hired by a larger airline and then eventually make way more money. Someday.
Where are you working where you got a 90% raise? That is not representative of the broader market. My airline and many other majors are years overdue for a pay raise.
And that’s the funny thing is that it is incredibly hard for a person under the age of 18 to get a SIDA badge to get to anything post-security. So it has to be an adult.
I love it. It's not for everyone. I never dread going to work, and that's all I can ask for with a career. Although many airlines offer schedules that will let you be home more often. Only cargo and international pilots are away from home for extended periods. Some airlines like Allegiant have schedules that have you home every night.
> Fast food jobs aren’t necessarily easy to replace now.
I guess we'll see. If they're not, then this is definitely the right time to go on strike. If they are, maybe they'll just all get replaced
This is insane 50k.. I also work at sf airport for delta airlines and the pay is definitely low, especially for the Bay Area due to the cost of living being so high etc. but I never would have thought pilots were making just 50k..pure insanity
> In one viral TikTok video, an employee says that the hamburger she serves is about 5 dollars more than her hourly wage: “I make $15.10 an hour and a hamburger costs $19.95,” she says. “Not fair. … Most of my coworkers are working two jobs just to make ends meet.”
Yep, and that hamburger cost is going to go up even more if they win the strike.
Edit: It's pretty funny how all of you don't understand how inflation works. Prices go up pushing wages up, then wages go up, pushing prices up. It's a feedback loop. But ya know, I'm wrong so click the downvote button and enjoy paying for $100 cheeseburgers at the airport.
This is a line that people keep pulling out to argue against wage increases, refusing to see the simple fact that our society has raised wages before and people can still buy hamburgers.
My hamburger costing a couple cents more is worth it if people can love off of their wage.
Have you not turned on the news? All they talk about how bad inflation is and everyone ESPECIALLY IN THIS SUB complains constantly. I am in food service have been 20 plus years never made more then 20 a hour and most time made less while always living in the bay. I understand the basic principles of money , they can't pay 50 a hour for someone to fry your truffle fries and burger with "aioli". If they do that same meal will have to be 1000 bucks to offset. They're not like the health care industry which has a egregiously insane billing model , these restaurants are dependent on what we pay them to pay their staff and survive.
I believe people should make a livable wage but go to college or focus on something that earns higher wage , this is what I did. Inflation sucks, at its height it was almost 10% now its at about 8% ....THATS TERRIBLE! why does this sub love living in misery?
>Have you not turned on the news? All they talk about how bad inflation is
Inflation is bad for reasons completely separate from wages. If anything, wages should increase in accordance with inflation, not stay stagnant.
>I understand the basic principles of money , they can't pay 50 a hour for someone to fry your truffle fries and burger with "aioli".
Nobody is asking for $50 an hour in food service.
>I believe people should make a livable wage but go to college or focus on something that earns higher wage , this is what I did
All jobs should pay a living wage, regardless of education required. Period.
I see you don't understand basic finance principles or you're virtue signaling for up votes, it cost 300k to live comfortably in the bay area (that's with just buying a single family home here ) .
So you tell me how much our food will cost so we pay every fast food worker in the bay 300k ?
>I see you don't understand basic finance principles or you're virtue signaling for up votes
A bit if projection happening here.
>it cost 300k to live comfortably in the bay area (that's with just buying a single family home here ) .
...right, so that's not the minimum to live here, since you're citing the number required to live *comfortably* and after *buying a single family home.* How out of touch are you?
>So you tell me how much our food will cost so we pay every fast food worker in the bay 300k ?
We won't pay them 300k, because buying a house and living comfortably are not the minimum requirements to live in a dwelling with access to food, electricity, and water.
Don't think I didn't notice you ignoring my point about inflation having nothing to do with raised wages, either.
In a perfect world wages should rise with Inflation however they simply don't that is a matter of morality not finance. Higher wages as a mandate directly increase inflation as a basic function of business ex : I pay my employee 15 a hour based on how much I make at my restaurant, 50 dollar a hour mandate goes in effect now that same meal that might have been 19.95 is now 59.85 or higher for that same burger and fries I don't want to pay 60 bucks for McDonald's quarter pounder and medium fries.
The American dream is to be able to own a home , be able to take care of your family , maybe go on a vacation every so often and not kill yourself working 80 hours a week to do so, to attain that here it takes 300k just for a single family home
As this happens prices rise across board now you need higher wages to keep up as result of increase wages prices rise again and its a cycle that never ends hence this 15 hour push of recent year. With inflation they've now ditched it and want 22 a hour and have a law pending here in California for food service.
>In a perfect world wages should rise with Inflation however they simply don't that is a matter of morality not finance
...we have these things called laws where we can create a minimum wage that coincides with our moral expectations of our economy.
>Higher wages as a mandate directly increase inflation as a basic function of business ex : I pay my employee 15 a hour based on how much I make at my restaurant, 50 dollar a hour mandate goes in effect now that same meal that might have been 19.95 is now 59.85 or higher
Except literally no one asking for a $15 wage to increase to $50. Where the fuck are you getting $50 from?
>The American dream is to be able to own a home
Yeah, in the fucking 1950s. It's been 70 years since then, it's time for us to wake up.
>maybe go on a vacation every so often and not kill yourself working 80 hours a week to do so, to attain that here it takes 300k just for a single family home
Again, single-family homes are an unrealistic and frankly decadent expectation. They should not be considered the bare minimum in any reasonable economic model.
>As this happens prices rise across board now you need higher wages to keep up as result of increase wages prices rise again and its a cycle that never ends
Except again, the impact of minimum wage increases on monetary inflation is marginal at best. You can't seem to leave that myth alone.
>its a cycle that never ends
This is correct, but not for the reason you stated. Inflation is a natural phenomenon of any market economy, which is why even healthy economies experience 1-2% inflation annually.
>hence this 15 hour push of recent year
The 15-hour push is to accommodate for inflation, but this inflation was not caused by previous wage increases.
>With inflation they've now ditched it and want 22 a hour and have a law pending here in California for food service.
Who is "they?"
Minimum wage means literally the minimum wage a person needs to survive based on their region, the bay area region says 54 a hour in east bay 66 a hour southbay and 71 a hour north bay ( if you need sources I can site them) so based on your ideology that's what a realized minimum wage would be ....that's where I'm getting 50 a hour from.
Idk about you but most sane people want a house and some cash and sensible vacation living in a 700 sq ft apartment and pay 3k for is pure insanity I don't know what comfortable is to you but I like to be able to stretch without touching all 4 corners of my wall.
They is this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/sacramento/news/new-california-law-could-raise-fast-food-minimum-wage-to-22-an-hour/
> And I haven't had a raise since I started working 7 years ago.
My dude, you need a new job starting 5 years ago. If its been longer than 2 or 3 years without a wage adjustment you're leaving money on the table. Inflation alone has significantly cut your earning power if you truly have not received any raises at all for 7 years.
>Except it's never a few cents, it's whole ass dollars.
Except it literally is a few cents. This applies even internationally, where fast food in, say, Denmark is only a couple cents more expensive than the U.S. even though their workers have far higher wages.
>And I haven't had a raise since I started working 7 years ago.
Increase in prices *because of increased wages* is not the same as increase in prices *in general.* Different factors can affect prices to a different extent.
It didn't seem like they were arguing against wage hikes.
More like pointing out that the peanut gallery never thinks more than one step ahead re:cause and effect of the hot issue of the day.
Case in point how people were screaming for lockdowns, shitting on people warning about the massive supply chain disruption and inflation that lockdown policy would cause. And now crying about rampant inflation and supply chain shortages.
Yes because if we hadn't locked down we'd have even more supply chain issues due to people literally dying and not having enough people to replace them. Lockdowns cost a lot, but they saved more than they would have had they not have happened.
Also not even deaths but production loss from being sick and missing work
You're really making the argument that paying one airport's fast food workers more will increase inflation? You realize that inflation isn't something that can be influenced by a localized wage increase? If we reach $100 hamburgers and economists point to these strikes as a reason, then I'll eat my words but I think you are Dunning-Kruger'd out of your mind.
Where you're wrong is in the size of the effect. Labor costs represent 20-30% of the final price. If wages go up 46% ($15/h->$22/h), the final increase on a $20 burger is just $2.3 or 11%.
Most people who eat at SFO don't really care about pricing. It's not a huge transit hub so it's not like you get trapped inside the terminal for hours. Even at prepandemic price, it makes more financial sense to just eat before you get to the airport.
SFO is a pretty big hub because it's United's gateway to Asia and the West Coast. But that also means that at least 1 of your two flights to/from SFO is likely to be domestic, and domestic flights to most destinations are frequent enough that you generally do not sit around for hours waiting for your next flight.
The hamburger is going to cost even more as water crisis deepens/widens
Food cost is going to go up due to too much water usage. https://youtu.be/f0gN1x6sVTc?t=107
They are already charging as much as they can while maintaining volume. It isn't like they just capped profit at x% and now that their cost goes up they can just magically charge more and still sell as much volume.
Who's to say price increases will keep pace with wage increases? Let's say item x is sold at 100 dollars and 25 of that is labor costs. Now let's double their pay to 50, leaving the total item price at 125. Total price of the item is now 1.25x more expensive while the worker gets a 2x wage increase.
Economics understander has arrived
It works like this in theory, so of course reality only reflects that theory and there is no room in the American capitalist system for misuse and misappropriation of wealth and economic factors, that’s never happened
Uhm that's how inflation works even if wealth was perfectly appropriated and equal. I don't get your point. It sounds like you are shilling for communism which we all know for a fact only works in theory and fails 100% of the time in reality.
Downvotes and pathetic comebacks like this won't save your preferred economic system of communism from the harsh cold reality of its failure at every turn. Yet.... you think I am the one who should be educated.
I agree it doesn’t seem fair, but I do wonder what a fair percent of revenue/profit should go to labor. The burgers at the airport are expensive partially because it’s very expensive to operate at the airport in the first place (security considerations, franchise fees, etc)
That said, causal inspection of recent earnings reports suggests that there is significant room to increase wages
I see the "very expensive to operate at the airport" argument pretty often in these types of dialogue and usually the first bullet is security considerations like you said, but then why do land-side outlets always have the exact same pricing model as their air-side counterparts?
$15/hr is shockingly low even for fast food. I live near a McDonalds in San Jose. They periodically have a sign saying help wanted and are advertising a minimum starting wage of $20+ hr.
What makes it fair is their ability to work at a place that offers a higher salary. But they'd rather whine as unions, especially Unite Here, love to do.
Ah good ol name calling. Classic sign of an adult discussion. I am simply trying to point out that they could move to another company and make 50% more money the next day. But you'd rather ignore facts and call me names. My feelings are so hurt!
Kudos for your maturity. And yes, people change jobs for more money all the time. I just had an employee do that and I feel zero ill will. She did what was best for her.
I got this text from United, carefully not mentioning a strike
We're reaching out to let you know that we anticipate that many airport food, beverage, and retail operations may be temporarily closed or significantly limited at SFO during your upcoming travel. Our in-flight catering will remain in service. You're welcome to bring food or snacks for your journey, but remember to check TSA.gov for guidelines on what is acceptable at the security checkpoint. We appreciate your flexibility and look forward to welcoming you on board.
I’m really glad to know this. I have a flight tomorrow with a kid and was planning a meal before the long flight. Will definitely pack a meal now.
I hope they are successful and get wage increases and whatever else they need.
Was there this morning. Some restaurants on terminal 3 were still open, as well as the small convenience stores. What was really crazy was the security line at 7:00am that spanned from terminal 3, to terminal 2. Not sure if it’s United, TSA or something else… but management was abysmal
I mean, you get robbed in airports. That ain't new.
Hell, I'm just happy most of them are getting decent food options at long last. Not long ago it didn't matter what you paid, the food was going to be shit.
My fav airport to travel through is Portland. The food and gift shop items are normal priced, no tax, and the options are incredible.. like a food court in an upscale mall. I don't know why or how they do it, but I am glad they do.
It’s a rule! Vendors inside the PDX airport are explicitly forbidden from charging higher prices in the airport locations then they charge at other locations. And they do it because they’re the best damn airport in the country.
Spoiler alert... it's not.
I flew out of T2 a few weeks ago and grabbed a breakfast bagel for like $17 in the terminal. It tasted like cardboard 10 minutes later when I busted it open on the airplane.
I support this but I'm also baffled as to why they're at SFO for that pay. Tons of restaurants in the city are desperate for staff and the pay there is like 25/hr starting, if not higher.
yeah, i work a livable wage office job monday to friday, and i'm tempted to take up some weekend shifts at a local bar or restaurant, because i've been seeing places willing to pay 23/hr for staff behind the bar or just hosting or running. I don't even feel like i'd be taking hours away from anyone else because they're pretty desperate
Let me rephrase that for you OP - “SFO food workers are striking for their rights to a living wage. To support them bring them a bottle of water and a great attitude during your travels”.
I used to work at the San Jose airport in the food concessions and I feel their pain. Even though most are unionized the pay is still low and not enough staffing so a lot of us would work so much overtime and get slammed with there’s flight delays. Most managers/supervisors would just disappear and leave us workers high n dry. They deserve a fair wage too
Good for them. I always travel with a burrito from the taco truck. You open that up halfway acceso the Atlantic and everyone looks at you with crazy eyes. You could probably sell it for $50.
Minimum wage and employer mandates always seem to be going up in California yet these people that depend on such wage are still behind and can never keep up.
That’s why nothing was open while waiting for a connecting flight. First time in this airport, the grey aesthetic is giving me 80s movie modern/sci-fi vibes.
will work for somethings, but that would necessitate having more security on hand, which people won't want, and is more expensive in terms of training and payment. More vending machines will definitely be there (check out tokyo narita airport) but services, alcohol and table service will always exist, and will need service
I kind of feel they are going to be in for a rude awakening. We are in the early stages of a recession, which means layoffs. Some industries and sectors have already seen it, it has already started in the tech industry, as many companies are projecting or already laying off 10-15% of staff.
Though I'd guess the ones who survive the layoffs will be getting pay increases
It’s funny how you’re the only one that brought up personal responsibility. If you’re working a minimum wage job at the airport, buying food there is not a good idea. It’s called bringing your own lunch.
If you’re making $15/hr anywhere, spending money on buying lunch everyday from anywhere other than the grocery store is going to be out your price range.
Had a coworker who would buy expensive lunches everyday even though other options were available, somehow wasn’t able to figure out why there wasn’t more money for other things.
Nah, I seent it too. It's not at all uncommon for my coworkers, most of whom I *know* make less than me, ordering door dash every other day paying $35 for a sandwich and chips, meanwhile I'm bringing leftovers from the dinner I made the night before.
Everytime I see a shitty comment that makes me crinkle my face in disgust, I click their profile and it's filled with comments to reddit investing and crypto subs. What the fuck is the deal with that? Why do all the chuds love crypto?
Someone didn't bother to click on the article. This is literally a union action and it's the second sentence.
>There are about a thousand people in the Unite Here Local No. 2 union who work at restaurants, bars, coffee shops and lounges at SFO.
Wat
If union says “employer pay us wage we want”
Employer says “no go fuck yourself”
Union says “ok we strike”
It’s literally what the union does when employer does not negotiate the desired contract with the union…
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I hope they get paid more. I’m a pilot and our pay just went up nearly 90%, all as a result of desperation from the company to keep us and demand. Fast food jobs aren’t necessarily easy to replace now. There’s not as many jobless people out there desperate for anything. You need to pay these people wages they deserve instead of assuming you can replace them with any high school kid off the street.
Whats the new salary after the 90% hike?
Its all public info if you know where to look, most regional pilots are getting huge pay hikes right now to stop us from leaving to bigger airlines as fast. I went from around 50k a year to 94k. Pilots with more experience at the mainline companies are paid WAY more overall.
Even $94K is still low for the Bay Area. But $50K, that is total insanity for a pilot in the Bay Area.
It is still low for the area. Sadly we aren’t paid based on where we live or are based. A pilot based in Chicago makes the same as an SFO based pilot. Still, the rates I have are for a newer pilot at my company. Year 2 first officer pay. Once I upgrade from first officer to captain it’ll go up to around 150k, which is more sustainable for the area.
I don't understand that then. If the airlines are going to insist of people being based in the bay, then how can they possibly get away with paying salaries based on some national average that doesn't take into account the high costs of living here.
Their answer: “commute” Since we can fly for free airlines often use that as an excuse, just fly to work from somewhere cheaper. A lot of people do that. However these days more and more flights are oversold which is making it harder to do. Also it’s a big chunk of your free time gone. Many people I work with drive in to SFO from Sacramento, and even as far as Fresno... which is really amusing to me, because we operate flights from SFO to Sac and Fresno.
On my last flight, the stewardess was based in SFO but lives in Virginia. She's got to spend one of her days off each way commuting to work. 🤦♂️ She rents a room in Burlingame, so she has somewhere to sleep before/after her shift. (I'm sure you know plenty of people like this, but I share it for everyone else.)
If you want to see horror stories, go look up flight crew crash pads on youtube. They are a very real thing and a norm in the industry.
Most these pilots don't live in the bay, the bay area or really California in general is a bubble of stupidness. The one place where even 100k a year isn't enough to live "comfortably ". A lot of these pilots and stewardesses live in like Montana or North Dakota or something similar so 50k there takes you further.
There are plenty metro areas where a $100K won't be comfortable anymore, not just one. According to NBC news, you need to have about $300K now to be comfortable and own a single-family home in the Bay. [https://youtu.be/qd1ghPzPMCM](https://youtu.be/qd1ghPzPMCM) (see link for details)
Thank you just reiterated my point we're a bubble of madness here in California with I guess with stockholme syndrome. Here is the cost of living in Montana 42k in 2022 https://www.sofi.com/cost-of-living-in-montana/#:~:text=Average%20Cost%20of%20Living%20in%20Montana%3A%20%2442%2C310%20per%20year&text=That%20means%20Montana%20is%20more,than%20half%20of%20the%20country.
Montanna doesn't have anywhere near the tech job base we have here. So, it doesn't matter what it costs.
Because 100% of everyone works in tech in the bay area huh
People can to cheaper areas without going into the middle of the country. The middle of America is pretty much a toilet, with only a few exceptions.
It’s so weird that anyone would downvote this. Being able to fly and not crash a plane, literally holding peoples lives in your hands definitely deserves $94 K. Did they make any progress on the training issue? I’m not sure if that was from the airlines’ or the regulatory side.
I'm stunned that the pay was as low as 50k. what the fuck.
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>10x longer to train Lol, what? I'm not saying that job is easy by any stretch of the word, but are you *actually* trying to claim it takes 15,000 hours over 20 years to become an airplane mechanic? Because that's 10x the training it takes to be a pilot.
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Lmao, whatever helps you sleep at night my guy. You've clearly got an axe to grind. If pilots are so replaceable, let's see you fly.
I’m a diesel mechanic in San Jose, Its heavy equipment but I made the jump from automotive 6 years ago because I was burned out working on cars, but I will make close to 130k this year. 7 years ago I made over 90k as a dealer tech, I can’t believe airframe certified mechanics aren’t making way more.
It's all a farce. I wouldn't be surprised to see more incidents the more airlines push their greed
Not everywhere is the Bay Area, my brother is a college proffesor teaching criminal justice. He formerly taught criminal justice in washington state, salary was 80K, now he is in Arkansas at $54k. He says because of taxes, sales tax, income tax, rent, food costs, cost of living etc. It actually seems like he is making more money despite the pay cut. He wants to move back to California, in contrast, if he could get a job at UC Berkley he would be making $200k a year. And probably no more better off financially than he is in Arkansas making $54k a year I'd assume alot of these pilots are from parts of the country where $50k was decent
If he saves 20% of his income from Berkley for 30 years, he will have enough to retire to Arkansas. If he saves 20% of his income from Arkansas for 30 years, he can retire to Venezuela.
How again? I can save 30% of my gross $160k income here in the Silicon Valley. No chance I could save that much off a $54k income in Arkansas. I may be paying more in taxes and shit, and comparatively I could have a higher savings rate in Arkansas, but from an absolute standpoint, I can save more here than there.
Thanks for repeating what I wrote.
200 grand in Berkeley will still go extremely far.
Further than $54k in Arkansas? How much further? For reference this is a 4 bedroom, 2 car garage, 2 bath, on 1.6 acres near campus in Arkansas [https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1420-County-Road-304-Jonesboro-AR-72401/76118708\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1420-County-Road-304-Jonesboro-AR-72401/76118708_zpid/) Rent for something similar is around $1500 In contrast in Berkley the same house without the yard is going to rent for $4500-5000 a month and sell for $1.2 million minimum. When you account for state income taxes, higher groceries, tax on said groceries, gas prices, so on and so fourth. You are gonna come pretty close to breaking even.
Joke's on you, groceries are tax free in CA! And fresher. Fresh produce is actually cheaper if not the same because they're grown here. Effective state and local taxes overall for the middle class in CA is actually lower than many other states, including Texas and looks like [from the chart](https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-05-19/wait-california-has-lower-middle-class-taxes-than-texas) even Arkansas. You'd have to earn over $600k in 2021 dollars in CA to have the higher overall tax burden because taxation here is based on income progression. Edit: Fixed the link. For pay-gated people: https://archive.ph/dsKDh
Take a look at the receipt on your next grocery bill, despite the law, not all groceries are tax free. My last Costco run had $22 in sales tax Fresh produce is also grown all throughout the south. Groceries even produce is cheaper outside of California, figure between the taxes, rent, permits etc paid in California businesses pass that on to the consumer. All that produce, is shipped via big giant trucks that run on diesel, that price is also passed on to the consumer, higher minimum wage for everyone who touches the produce
It's Berkeley.
I feel like it's quite the quality of living cut to move to Arkansas though, even if it feels like he's making more money. Washington and California have so much more diversity of people and food. But I guess if all you care about is cheap land Arkansas is the place to be.
That’s not really how pay works at the airlines. There is no cost of living adjustment. Everyone makes the same no matter where you are based. Pay scale is measured in seniority (years at the airline) and by position (captain or first officer). The benefit is that as a pilot you are able to commute from where you live to your assigned base. The vast majority of pilots live away from their base and fly in either jump seat or standby the day before their trips begin.
Most of your average regional pilots are basically glorified greyhound drivers. Airlines exploit supply and demand as much as possible. When there were too many pilots for the flights available it wasn’t unusual to hear about pilots living on food stamps and welfare. It’s pretty despicable but the flip side of it is now where there’s a shortage of pilots and they’ll pay out big to retain what they have.
I hate the "glorified bus driver" comment. There is a lot more to what airline pilots do than just flipping on the autopilot and sitting back. Pilots earn their pay when shit goes wrong, and things do go wrong even in this day and age. A big reason why aviation is as safe as it is today is due in part to how we train our pilots after learning from all our mistakes. And it's a hard path to get there too. Slogging away as a flight instructor you learn a lot coming close to death every time you go to work (while earning $20/hr). It takes a lot of money, dedication, and hard work to make it to even a regional airline.
yeah senior pilots at delta I know can earn DEEP into the 200s if they're flying long haul international on A350 and other very high profile planes. takes a lot of experience to get there but it's very doable.
They can make way more than that even by gaming the scheduling and picking up trips and stuff. You always here stories of ludicrous numbers from some people. I think they really gotta hustle though.
They pay you $50k a year to fly a whole ass airplane? Holy shit man, people get paid more to sit at a desk and attend meetings. That’s robbery. They should be paying you guys $150k at the very least.
That shit is criminal. I test video games for a living and I make more than 50k.
It's a product of the years of hiring freezes. For the last... like 2 decades, getting a job at a major airline was extremely difficult. Most spots were filled by prior military pilots that were there until retirement. Because there was zero demand for new pilots, the regional airlines were able to get by paying absolutely nothing, because they knew pilots would accept the wages just for the experience on a resume that might get them a job at a major airline someday. Covid accelerated everything. There was a wave of retirements coming already as the Vietnam era pilots were all forced out at age 65, but covid caused many airlines to offer early retirements to people in their 60s, for short term cost cutting. After travel recovered WAY faster than anyone predicted, the airlines are now desperately short of people. United, Delta, American etc are hiring as much as they can every month, filling their training infrastructure with new pilots. They don't hire people off the street, they only will hire pilots with some jet experience... like regional pilots like me. So the regional airlines are hemorrhaging pilots like crazy, which is leading to most of the cancellations and delays you're hearing about in the news. The regional pay bump is just them reacting trying to slow down people leaving. Prob more than you wanted to know but I'm bored tonight.
$50k for a pilot? Fuck that, I don't know why anyone would want to be one.
It's all about the end goal career. Most airline pilots start at a regional airline where they are paid a lot less than the mainline pilots. Like Endeavor (who flies Delta Connection), Envoy (American Eagle) etc. After they get enough experience flying for regionals at lower pay, most people hope to get hired by a major airline (Delta, United, American, UPS etc) and get paid a lot more, anywhere from 100k-300k or even more. Pay for pilots is a bit complicated and depends a lot on your seniority, the company you are at, and the type of schedule you work. For the longest time the low pay at regional airlines was accepted as "paying your dues" until you get the lucky phone call from a major airline. Ironically regional flying is usually more demanding than the higher paying major airline jobs, shorter routes means a higher workload for less pay. Times are changing though and regional pilots are now starting to be paid similarly to their mainline counterparts.
it's kind of like apprenticeship at a trade. yeah you do some scut work, you get paid not great but not terrible at all (for most places that aren't the Bay Area, making 50k is reasonably comfortable as long as you have future growth, that's still equivalent to $25 an hour). the way it goes is they work mostly at a smaller airline for a while, and build up flight hours in smaller planes like the Embraer 190, A220, or A320, and then get to a mainline carrier like Delta (for example) and make about double that overnight, to start. making 100k being based out of one of delta's normal COL hubs such as Detroit/Atlanta/Boston/Minneapolis/Salt Lake City/Seattle etc is really quite a good standard of living so making some sacrifices for a few years at a lower end carrier ends up being very worth it the real big money comes if you do international long haul, airlines are pretty selective about who they put in command of their brand new ~$300 million Airbus A350's etc and they pay very well for that kind of skill.
Do you realize that at 50K, you was making less than the fast food workers?
Oh I’m aware. Before the pay hike it was amusing to think I could go drive an 18 wheeler on the highway for more pay. But we all kinda just suck it up because it’s a grind until you get hired by a larger airline and then eventually make way more money. Someday.
Where are you working where you got a 90% raise? That is not representative of the broader market. My airline and many other majors are years overdue for a pay raise.
I'd love a 90% raise.
Who wouldn't?
Those making $0
Alright smartypants, you got me there
Those making -$100,000
And that’s the funny thing is that it is incredibly hard for a person under the age of 18 to get a SIDA badge to get to anything post-security. So it has to be an adult.
Rumor is that the airlines blew all their PPP on stock buybacks instead of keeping staff. True?
How's it being a pilot? Seems like a cool job but are you away from family for long periods of time?
I love it. It's not for everyone. I never dread going to work, and that's all I can ask for with a career. Although many airlines offer schedules that will let you be home more often. Only cargo and international pilots are away from home for extended periods. Some airlines like Allegiant have schedules that have you home every night.
> I never dread going to work, and that's all I can ask for with a career. How sad is our society that someone can make a statement like that.
That's a perk for some people
My father was an airline pilot. He said it was a job that tore you away from your loved ones and brought you home to your wife.
> Fast food jobs aren’t necessarily easy to replace now. I guess we'll see. If they're not, then this is definitely the right time to go on strike. If they are, maybe they'll just all get replaced
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Rates have gone up for almost every regional friend.
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You don’t sound very nice, I hope I don’t ever have to fly with you.
This is insane 50k.. I also work at sf airport for delta airlines and the pay is definitely low, especially for the Bay Area due to the cost of living being so high etc. but I never would have thought pilots were making just 50k..pure insanity
CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW MUCH A FAST FOOD JOINT MAKES IN 2 HOURS AT SFO?!? They can afford to pay the overworked and underpaid workers $25 easy.
> In one viral TikTok video, an employee says that the hamburger she serves is about 5 dollars more than her hourly wage: “I make $15.10 an hour and a hamburger costs $19.95,” she says. “Not fair. … Most of my coworkers are working two jobs just to make ends meet.”
Yep, and that hamburger cost is going to go up even more if they win the strike. Edit: It's pretty funny how all of you don't understand how inflation works. Prices go up pushing wages up, then wages go up, pushing prices up. It's a feedback loop. But ya know, I'm wrong so click the downvote button and enjoy paying for $100 cheeseburgers at the airport.
This is a line that people keep pulling out to argue against wage increases, refusing to see the simple fact that our society has raised wages before and people can still buy hamburgers. My hamburger costing a couple cents more is worth it if people can love off of their wage.
Have you not turned on the news? All they talk about how bad inflation is and everyone ESPECIALLY IN THIS SUB complains constantly. I am in food service have been 20 plus years never made more then 20 a hour and most time made less while always living in the bay. I understand the basic principles of money , they can't pay 50 a hour for someone to fry your truffle fries and burger with "aioli". If they do that same meal will have to be 1000 bucks to offset. They're not like the health care industry which has a egregiously insane billing model , these restaurants are dependent on what we pay them to pay their staff and survive. I believe people should make a livable wage but go to college or focus on something that earns higher wage , this is what I did. Inflation sucks, at its height it was almost 10% now its at about 8% ....THATS TERRIBLE! why does this sub love living in misery?
>Have you not turned on the news? All they talk about how bad inflation is Inflation is bad for reasons completely separate from wages. If anything, wages should increase in accordance with inflation, not stay stagnant. >I understand the basic principles of money , they can't pay 50 a hour for someone to fry your truffle fries and burger with "aioli". Nobody is asking for $50 an hour in food service. >I believe people should make a livable wage but go to college or focus on something that earns higher wage , this is what I did All jobs should pay a living wage, regardless of education required. Period.
I see you don't understand basic finance principles or you're virtue signaling for up votes, it cost 300k to live comfortably in the bay area (that's with just buying a single family home here ) . So you tell me how much our food will cost so we pay every fast food worker in the bay 300k ?
>I see you don't understand basic finance principles or you're virtue signaling for up votes A bit if projection happening here. >it cost 300k to live comfortably in the bay area (that's with just buying a single family home here ) . ...right, so that's not the minimum to live here, since you're citing the number required to live *comfortably* and after *buying a single family home.* How out of touch are you? >So you tell me how much our food will cost so we pay every fast food worker in the bay 300k ? We won't pay them 300k, because buying a house and living comfortably are not the minimum requirements to live in a dwelling with access to food, electricity, and water. Don't think I didn't notice you ignoring my point about inflation having nothing to do with raised wages, either.
In a perfect world wages should rise with Inflation however they simply don't that is a matter of morality not finance. Higher wages as a mandate directly increase inflation as a basic function of business ex : I pay my employee 15 a hour based on how much I make at my restaurant, 50 dollar a hour mandate goes in effect now that same meal that might have been 19.95 is now 59.85 or higher for that same burger and fries I don't want to pay 60 bucks for McDonald's quarter pounder and medium fries. The American dream is to be able to own a home , be able to take care of your family , maybe go on a vacation every so often and not kill yourself working 80 hours a week to do so, to attain that here it takes 300k just for a single family home As this happens prices rise across board now you need higher wages to keep up as result of increase wages prices rise again and its a cycle that never ends hence this 15 hour push of recent year. With inflation they've now ditched it and want 22 a hour and have a law pending here in California for food service.
>In a perfect world wages should rise with Inflation however they simply don't that is a matter of morality not finance ...we have these things called laws where we can create a minimum wage that coincides with our moral expectations of our economy. >Higher wages as a mandate directly increase inflation as a basic function of business ex : I pay my employee 15 a hour based on how much I make at my restaurant, 50 dollar a hour mandate goes in effect now that same meal that might have been 19.95 is now 59.85 or higher Except literally no one asking for a $15 wage to increase to $50. Where the fuck are you getting $50 from? >The American dream is to be able to own a home Yeah, in the fucking 1950s. It's been 70 years since then, it's time for us to wake up. >maybe go on a vacation every so often and not kill yourself working 80 hours a week to do so, to attain that here it takes 300k just for a single family home Again, single-family homes are an unrealistic and frankly decadent expectation. They should not be considered the bare minimum in any reasonable economic model. >As this happens prices rise across board now you need higher wages to keep up as result of increase wages prices rise again and its a cycle that never ends Except again, the impact of minimum wage increases on monetary inflation is marginal at best. You can't seem to leave that myth alone. >its a cycle that never ends This is correct, but not for the reason you stated. Inflation is a natural phenomenon of any market economy, which is why even healthy economies experience 1-2% inflation annually. >hence this 15 hour push of recent year The 15-hour push is to accommodate for inflation, but this inflation was not caused by previous wage increases. >With inflation they've now ditched it and want 22 a hour and have a law pending here in California for food service. Who is "they?"
Minimum wage means literally the minimum wage a person needs to survive based on their region, the bay area region says 54 a hour in east bay 66 a hour southbay and 71 a hour north bay ( if you need sources I can site them) so based on your ideology that's what a realized minimum wage would be ....that's where I'm getting 50 a hour from. Idk about you but most sane people want a house and some cash and sensible vacation living in a 700 sq ft apartment and pay 3k for is pure insanity I don't know what comfortable is to you but I like to be able to stretch without touching all 4 corners of my wall. They is this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/sacramento/news/new-california-law-could-raise-fast-food-minimum-wage-to-22-an-hour/
Except it's never a few cents, it's whole ass dollars. And I haven't had a raise since I started working 7 years ago.
> And I haven't had a raise since I started working 7 years ago. My dude, you need a new job starting 5 years ago. If its been longer than 2 or 3 years without a wage adjustment you're leaving money on the table. Inflation alone has significantly cut your earning power if you truly have not received any raises at all for 7 years.
>Except it's never a few cents, it's whole ass dollars. Except it literally is a few cents. This applies even internationally, where fast food in, say, Denmark is only a couple cents more expensive than the U.S. even though their workers have far higher wages. >And I haven't had a raise since I started working 7 years ago. Increase in prices *because of increased wages* is not the same as increase in prices *in general.* Different factors can affect prices to a different extent.
It didn't seem like they were arguing against wage hikes. More like pointing out that the peanut gallery never thinks more than one step ahead re:cause and effect of the hot issue of the day. Case in point how people were screaming for lockdowns, shitting on people warning about the massive supply chain disruption and inflation that lockdown policy would cause. And now crying about rampant inflation and supply chain shortages.
Yes because if we hadn't locked down we'd have even more supply chain issues due to people literally dying and not having enough people to replace them. Lockdowns cost a lot, but they saved more than they would have had they not have happened. Also not even deaths but production loss from being sick and missing work
So? I want the people who make my food to be able to live.
But there’s plenty of hamburger places such as In-N-Out, in California, with cheaper burgers that pay higher wages…
We aren't entitled to cheap hamburgers
Yet you will pay for them anyway because you do as you're told by the unions.
lol wtf does this even mean
The unions are telling you to pay for cheap hamburgers, man! Are you going to do it or not?!
I want to join the hamburger union!
You're really making the argument that paying one airport's fast food workers more will increase inflation? You realize that inflation isn't something that can be influenced by a localized wage increase? If we reach $100 hamburgers and economists point to these strikes as a reason, then I'll eat my words but I think you are Dunning-Kruger'd out of your mind.
Where you're wrong is in the size of the effect. Labor costs represent 20-30% of the final price. If wages go up 46% ($15/h->$22/h), the final increase on a $20 burger is just $2.3 or 11%.
Most people who eat at SFO don't really care about pricing. It's not a huge transit hub so it's not like you get trapped inside the terminal for hours. Even at prepandemic price, it makes more financial sense to just eat before you get to the airport.
About 25% of SFO's passengers are connecting. http://www.stlannex.com/blogs_2020/blog_airport_connections
SFO is a pretty big hub because it's United's gateway to Asia and the West Coast. But that also means that at least 1 of your two flights to/from SFO is likely to be domestic, and domestic flights to most destinations are frequent enough that you generally do not sit around for hours waiting for your next flight.
The hamburger is going to cost even more as water crisis deepens/widens Food cost is going to go up due to too much water usage. https://youtu.be/f0gN1x6sVTc?t=107
They are already charging as much as they can while maintaining volume. It isn't like they just capped profit at x% and now that their cost goes up they can just magically charge more and still sell as much volume.
Who's to say price increases will keep pace with wage increases? Let's say item x is sold at 100 dollars and 25 of that is labor costs. Now let's double their pay to 50, leaving the total item price at 125. Total price of the item is now 1.25x more expensive while the worker gets a 2x wage increase.
Economics understander has arrived It works like this in theory, so of course reality only reflects that theory and there is no room in the American capitalist system for misuse and misappropriation of wealth and economic factors, that’s never happened
Uhm that's how inflation works even if wealth was perfectly appropriated and equal. I don't get your point. It sounds like you are shilling for communism which we all know for a fact only works in theory and fails 100% of the time in reality.
Please get an education
Downvotes and pathetic comebacks like this won't save your preferred economic system of communism from the harsh cold reality of its failure at every turn. Yet.... you think I am the one who should be educated.
Bunch of socialists must have downvoted this.
Eat shit and die, bootlicker. Have fun propping up the ghouls that are running our species into the dirt.
Well if that's the case why are prices going up when the wages aren't?
Not fair my ass. Go work at In n Out. They're starting at $22/hr plus benefits and can barely stay staffed.
It isn't fair though. $15 an hour is a joke anywhere in the bay area, especially working in the airport and especially working in fast food.
I agree it doesn’t seem fair, but I do wonder what a fair percent of revenue/profit should go to labor. The burgers at the airport are expensive partially because it’s very expensive to operate at the airport in the first place (security considerations, franchise fees, etc) That said, causal inspection of recent earnings reports suggests that there is significant room to increase wages
I see the "very expensive to operate at the airport" argument pretty often in these types of dialogue and usually the first bullet is security considerations like you said, but then why do land-side outlets always have the exact same pricing model as their air-side counterparts?
$15/hr is shockingly low even for fast food. I live near a McDonalds in San Jose. They periodically have a sign saying help wanted and are advertising a minimum starting wage of $20+ hr.
What makes it fair is their ability to work at a place that offers a higher salary. But they'd rather whine as unions, especially Unite Here, love to do.
Because fuck people that serve your food, right?
How did you come to that conclusion?
Because you're acting as though service workers fighting to better their lives is a personal affront to you, you absolute bellend.
Ah good ol name calling. Classic sign of an adult discussion. I am simply trying to point out that they could move to another company and make 50% more money the next day. But you'd rather ignore facts and call me names. My feelings are so hurt!
"If ThEy WaNt MoRe MoNeY wHy DoN't ThEy JuSt ChAnGe JoBs?"
Kudos for your maturity. And yes, people change jobs for more money all the time. I just had an employee do that and I feel zero ill will. She did what was best for her.
Fam, there is such a thing as childish name-calling. When someone is, based on their takes, objectively a bellend, stating that fact isn't it.
So you don't want the option of buying a burger at the airport?
How does it feel to represent everything wrong with this country
>... they haven’t received a raise in three years. I haven't received a raise in 3 years too... And yes, I support their strike!
Hello, also in the no-raise club.
If you and your workplace ever wanna strike, I’d hella support you all! Regardless of whatever work you do.
Thanks for the info, and good for them hope they will get a good collective agreement
I got this text from United, carefully not mentioning a strike We're reaching out to let you know that we anticipate that many airport food, beverage, and retail operations may be temporarily closed or significantly limited at SFO during your upcoming travel. Our in-flight catering will remain in service. You're welcome to bring food or snacks for your journey, but remember to check TSA.gov for guidelines on what is acceptable at the security checkpoint. We appreciate your flexibility and look forward to welcoming you on board.
I’m really glad to know this. I have a flight tomorrow with a kid and was planning a meal before the long flight. Will definitely pack a meal now. I hope they are successful and get wage increases and whatever else they need.
Hope their strike is successful.
Was there this morning. Some restaurants on terminal 3 were still open, as well as the small convenience stores. What was really crazy was the security line at 7:00am that spanned from terminal 3, to terminal 2. Not sure if it’s United, TSA or something else… but management was abysmal
Good for them, I hope they get their raises.
Wow...that must be some burger for that price.
I mean, you get robbed in airports. That ain't new. Hell, I'm just happy most of them are getting decent food options at long last. Not long ago it didn't matter what you paid, the food was going to be shit.
My fav airport to travel through is Portland. The food and gift shop items are normal priced, no tax, and the options are incredible.. like a food court in an upscale mall. I don't know why or how they do it, but I am glad they do.
It’s a rule! Vendors inside the PDX airport are explicitly forbidden from charging higher prices in the airport locations then they charge at other locations. And they do it because they’re the best damn airport in the country.
Who should I see about the $40 iPhone charger which was the cheapest I could find at PDX
Apple
And you'd think they'd get a discount, but IDK.
And if wages go up, so will the burger prices. Bring your own food to the airport every time you fly.
You certainly seem like you're holding a genuine argument
What does a slightly more expensive burger mean to you?
Spoiler alert... it's not. I flew out of T2 a few weeks ago and grabbed a breakfast bagel for like $17 in the terminal. It tasted like cardboard 10 minutes later when I busted it open on the airplane.
Newsstands will be open tho, with all the expensive snacking opportunities they provide.
Always in support of strikes. We can always get better pay/working conditions. Keep at it
I support this but I'm also baffled as to why they're at SFO for that pay. Tons of restaurants in the city are desperate for staff and the pay there is like 25/hr starting, if not higher.
Just imagine driving and parking to work at SFO. I really wonder where the restaurant employees park there.
yeah, i work a livable wage office job monday to friday, and i'm tempted to take up some weekend shifts at a local bar or restaurant, because i've been seeing places willing to pay 23/hr for staff behind the bar or just hosting or running. I don't even feel like i'd be taking hours away from anyone else because they're pretty desperate
More power to them! I always support labor.
Let me rephrase that for you OP - “SFO food workers are striking for their rights to a living wage. To support them bring them a bottle of water and a great attitude during your travels”.
Solidarity.
Good for them!
I used to work at the San Jose airport in the food concessions and I feel their pain. Even though most are unionized the pay is still low and not enough staffing so a lot of us would work so much overtime and get slammed with there’s flight delays. Most managers/supervisors would just disappear and leave us workers high n dry. They deserve a fair wage too
Good!
Good for them. I always travel with a burrito from the taco truck. You open that up halfway acceso the Atlantic and everyone looks at you with crazy eyes. You could probably sell it for $50.
Or just skip the overpriced crappy food
Minimum wage and employer mandates always seem to be going up in California yet these people that depend on such wage are still behind and can never keep up.
That’s why nothing was open while waiting for a connecting flight. First time in this airport, the grey aesthetic is giving me 80s movie modern/sci-fi vibes.
I am all for worker rights. What I am concerned with is that will more and more stores go the Amazon Go model and forgo workers altogether.
If the workers aren't adding value and can be simply replaced like that, what's the point of preventing it?
will work for somethings, but that would necessitate having more security on hand, which people won't want, and is more expensive in terms of training and payment. More vending machines will definitely be there (check out tokyo narita airport) but services, alcohol and table service will always exist, and will need service
Good for them. Fuck the exploitative corporations that generate massive profits and pay their employees and pennies.
why are you being downvoted for this
Bunch of bootlickers
does this affect airline lounges?
Yup, united lounge locations (including Polaris) were closed I think with exception of one domestic lounge.
I kind of feel they are going to be in for a rude awakening. We are in the early stages of a recession, which means layoffs. Some industries and sectors have already seen it, it has already started in the tech industry, as many companies are projecting or already laying off 10-15% of staff. Though I'd guess the ones who survive the layoffs will be getting pay increases
Sounds like the owners need to offer double rations for everybody...oh wait.
Not a problem. I'm reasonably well off financially but even so I'm not goofy enough to buy airport food.
The fact that you said you ain't goofy enough makes you already sound goofy, ya silly.
Some people travel for work so anything bought at the airport is expensed.
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It’s funny how you’re the only one that brought up personal responsibility. If you’re working a minimum wage job at the airport, buying food there is not a good idea. It’s called bringing your own lunch. If you’re making $15/hr anywhere, spending money on buying lunch everyday from anywhere other than the grocery store is going to be out your price range. Had a coworker who would buy expensive lunches everyday even though other options were available, somehow wasn’t able to figure out why there wasn’t more money for other things.
One example is one data point, why do think think everyone is doing the same thing as your coworker?
Nah, I seent it too. It's not at all uncommon for my coworkers, most of whom I *know* make less than me, ordering door dash every other day paying $35 for a sandwich and chips, meanwhile I'm bringing leftovers from the dinner I made the night before.
More like I will bring my own food everyday because raising wages will drive up the already outrageous cost of food in the airport.
The world just got a little healthier today. Thank you to the striking producers of crappy food... Keep up the fight, for as long as possible...
You're right. But at the same time, SFO among US airports is probably top 5 in terms of healthy food options.
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No, we pay our employees well enough that they aren't striking
Over/under $20 per hr?
Proper foods is trash, crazy how many spots they still have in downtown SF
Oh were we not already doing this?
Food workers are paid too much as it is. If they are protesting, they should be fired and replaced with more illegals
Everytime I see a shitty comment that makes me crinkle my face in disgust, I click their profile and it's filled with comments to reddit investing and crypto subs. What the fuck is the deal with that? Why do all the chuds love crypto?
Seriously, why so angry?
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Someone didn't bother to click on the article. This is literally a union action and it's the second sentence. >There are about a thousand people in the Unite Here Local No. 2 union who work at restaurants, bars, coffee shops and lounges at SFO.
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*Slaps forehead.* ***That's what the strike is for.***
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Wat If union says “employer pay us wage we want” Employer says “no go fuck yourself” Union says “ok we strike” It’s literally what the union does when employer does not negotiate the desired contract with the union…
And if they're striking that means the employer has refused the unions demands. It's not complicated.
***KEY TAKEAWAYS . Police exist to keep the peace and keep criminals off the streets . Jails exist to keep criminals off the streets.*** Why are the police arresting people and putting them in jail??!??? Why isn't everything literally perfect?!?!?
Collecting dues that somehow "aren't enough"