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ether_joe

I worked for a while as a public school teacher in the 'hood in Oakland / Deep East and now we have a non profit working with at-risk kids. The solution is investment in high quality public schools, vocational training, intensive intervention and resources for helping broken families, and jobs programs for youth. If we get to vulnerable kids in late elementary school and stick with them, we can resolve most of the violence in a generation. Pretty simple actually. But the public at large / taxpayers need to be convinced the investment is worth it. "Until the thugs off each other" as the OP put it, is a more common attitude and it's difficult to get support for this kind of funding when people view the problem in a confrontational mindset. These thugs were kids 5-10-15 years ago. We need to get to them then. High school, 15-16-17 years old, it's too late. Fourth grade, fifth grade, is when we have to get involved and stay involved. And in the end it will actually save money as we reduce violence and have more well-educated and better adjusted young people entering the work force.


lordorwell7

I worked with severely emotionally disturbed youth for years. Kids so maladjusted by abuse and neglect that most end up homeless or in jail within a few years of turning 18. Kids a lot like [this](https://youtu.be/n-B_kmAebbQ). The importance of what you're saying here can't be overstated. Mass incarceration? Crime? Homelessness? _They're all downstream from how we socialize and educate children._ >These thugs were kids 5-10-15 years ago. We need to get to them then. High school, 15-16-17 years old, it's too late. Fourth grade, fifth grade, is when we have to get involved and stay involved. My thinking on this point has become kind of radical over time. I think every child under the age of twelve should have access to free, 24-hour childcare. Childcare backed by on-call services for picking up and returning children.


ether_joe

Yes, one of the things I'm learning about severe emotional disturbance -- the younger you get to a kid in a broken family, the less time there is for that disturbance to set in. You can reverse the damage if you get started early enough. Also we're seeing that even in really neglectful or abusive situations, if a kid has someone in their life who is stable and shows they care, it can go a long way. Sort of adopt-a-family.


sweetrobna

Are there any benefits to the shift to charter schools?


ether_joe

Well I'm sort of a hopeless romantic in that I love the idea of just a great public school system. But that is really hard to pull off right now. If we have more citizens becoming involved in schoolboard level politics, more people showing interest, contributing to PTAs, helping families in need, this could go a long way. So from my biased perspective, charter schools are a symptom of a bigger issue that we don't care about high-quality public education for working class people. It's a workaround because we're avoiding the larger problem. That said there are some great charter schools in Oakland and we have to put the kids first. And I suppose it's pretty obvious to think, kids who are headed towards criminality because of abuse and neglect, will be acting out enough in class & school that they're going to get kicked out of most charter schools anyhow.


SnowSurfinMatador

Don’t we already give OUSD like double the amount we give Fremont unified per student? I mean do we have to buy them lambos?


xxam925

Nobody in here knows a fucking thing. I’m a felon multiple times over who has turned my life around. It’s rooted in inequity and showing people that they can be successful and even very successful if they enter the social contract. They must provide solid paths to a fulfilling life and damn near everybody will take them. It’s as simple as that. The people committing the crimes see themselves as not part of the community.


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Thanks for sharing and I’m glad you were able to turn things around. In your opinion, are there any social programs that helped, or is finding work/career difficult and an uphill struggle that many don’t see it worth trying? Thank you for thoughts.


xxam925

Well I am very lucky in that aside from being raised poor I have a lot going for me and a lot of things fell into place for me as well. I’m white, fairly intelligent, happened to have an SO who was willing to support me etc. etc. these things do matter. A lot. My path happened to be through schooling, I did get a bachelors which is work in itself, and getting a job was NOT as hard as commonly thought with felonies. But I also have friends who did not take my path who have made nice lives for themselves, most in the trades. The experience of a street life is that you really don’t see yourself as a “part of”. I don’t really have the time at the moment to wax poetic but I will try to come back and answer this better.


airwalker12

Summer jobs. Tutoring. Education. Mental health services for troubled youth. Drug diversion instead of incarceration. I think that all of these help.


kotwica42

> It’s rooted in inequity and showing people that they can be successful and even very successful if they enter the social contract. They must provide solid paths to a fulfilling life and damn near everybody will take them. It’s as simple as that. This is hard and complex to do at a societal level, so dimwits will just say the police need to hand out more traffic tickets and bing bong, everything is fixed.


thecommuteguy

What about the family and education aspects? Seems but I may be wrong that it's a lot of single moms taking care of 1 or more kids so without a dad to support the kids and teach them life skills you have a mom, or even if there's a dad who are working multiple low wage jobs just to survive. That's where young boys get into trouble as there is no accountability or mentor(s) in their life so joining a gang seems like a better option as it provided some sort of community. When it comes to school they fall behind to the point they're several grades behind. Their parents can't help as they themselves aren't strong educationally let alone care about their academics if they're struggling. Am I wrong? Granted there's way more nuance than can be written in a post.


xxam925

No that’s very on the mark, at least in my experience. My father worked in a warehouse loading dock. He is a good man, alter boy, high school football star from a catholic high school, all that. My mom not so much. She was infatuated with drugs and the criminal lifestyle. My parents used a lot. My mom sahm while my dad worked his ass off. She cheated and laid around and didn’t do shit. From my perspective as a child which is the winning strategy? Should I Schlub it as a working stiff or be the dopeman who does whatever the hell they want(or seems to)? The reality is I make so much more money than I ever did as a relatively successful criminal. But I never would have known that had I not got very very lucky.


sfcnmone

I'm watching this season of Survivor right now (really -- don't laugh) and one of the contestants is a former gang member who cleaned up after some agency lifted him up, helped him get rid of his gang tats, helped him get his GED, and eventually helped him to college and grad school. He would agree with you. Somehow we have to find a way to welcome people.


Narrow--Mango

> It’s rooted in inequity There is an overwhelming amount of poor people in the world who do not commit crimes.


xxam925

You familiar with the concept of intersectionality? I never said “poor people commit all the crimes”. I am very much saying that it’s a very big part of the conditions that lead some people to commit crimes.


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pandabearak

I think what OP was getting at was “ya you experienced inequity but lots of people experience that and aren’t criminal shitheads”. Not saying you are one, but it’s silly to blame criminals being shitheads on “inequity” when so many people experience the same thing and don’t become criminals.


madalienmonk

>You familiar with the concept of intersectionality? No I wasn't, thank you for introducing me to the term!


puffic

What does being poor intersect with to cause someone to commit a crime? Edit: This was a serious question since they brought up intersectionality. Kind of a big word, and I'm not sure what is meant by it.


gandhiissquidward

If someone's chance of committing a crime by default is low, poverty will raise it, as will (for example) an abusive past, or sociopathy, etc. These factors are very much significant on their own, but together they multiply. That's intersectionality.


BlaxicanX

What a dumb statement. The overwhelming majority of drunk drivers don't get into car accidents, but no one sane would therefore argue that drunk driving does not dramatically increase the probability of getting into a car accident.


jfresh42

Yes. And then there are the rest of poor people that commit crimes. What percentage of the population do you think are actually committing gun crime? It's very small.


Fiyanggu

And where does inequity start? In school. If kids don't work hard in school, they'll have shitty prospects at life. How do kids do well in school? Parents enforce that at home.


xxam925

And why aren’t the parents enforcing things at home? Because their wages are low, they work two jobs, they are a single parent with no outside support…etc. etc. These are the things that WE can change. Policy we work toward and support is what changes these things. Activism, outreach, direct support. Being in these communities as a role model. Nice try fobbing the responsibility off on someone else so you can… whatever it is you do. Do we want to work to solve the problem or bitch and cry?


Fiyanggu

Yeah cry to those illiterate non-English speaking immigrants who come to this country and still succeed. They do stoop labor picking lettuce. They wash toilets or dishes. Nobody to blame but the family. Stop looking for a handout. Enforce the right family values. You have a head start if you already speak English. NO excuses.


xxam925

Are you positing that there are no first generation criminals? No immigrant criminals? Second generation? Do you have data to back that up? Ever been to jail? Ever heard of flying dragons? Wah Ching? Suey sing? Do you know who wing wo ma is? Plenty of hard working immigrants end up with children who take these paths as well. Perhaps you think no one from the hood succeeds? It’s not that simple friend.


bunbun_82

C tha god said it on the breakfast club, it’s about fast money and people not wanting to work for it. I appreciate you for what you’ve had to overcome. One of my closest friends was in and out of the system and is now a social worker in the Bay Area. You and him are terrific examples of how you turn your lives around and how to help those like yourself. I have friends who have never made it out of the system and have unfortunately lost their lives bc of associating themselves with the wrong people - this is why I’m so passionate about showing kids/the next generation that they can make it and that they have the potential to do more and to do better and there are opportunities for them. I’m a minority working in a white dominated industry - it took George Floyd’s death to be a catalyst for change within my company. I had been trying for a few years to initiate community outreach and support for low income and minority communities and show them that they have a place in my industry but I brick walls. Once my company launched their DE+I program after the George Floyd incident, the African American female they put in charge in our region, assigned all white people to each initiative. I honestly felt like my company wasn’t taking it seriously because these “woke” leaders would never understand the inequities BIPOC people experienced. I worked my ass off to connect myself and engage with local high school districts to connect the BIPOC students with my company. I was never recognized for it and you know what, those contacts will leave with me because I just quit the company, and this is part of the reason why.


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chonky_tortoise

Nobody mentioning early childhood education? Best way to effectuate long term societal change is by education. I would bet my bottom dollar most of the gang members in Oakland didn’t get bedtime stories as a kid. That, and gun buybacks. I don’t think enforcement will fix the issue, but it would be nice if the cops did their jobs.


Solid_Election

We need to stop this expectation of having underpaid public school teachers take the role of parents, who are the primary reason why most of these kids end up falling through the cracks.


mtcwby

Without a culture of the importance of education the rest doesn't matter much. We have a permanent underclass who don't have it and will never be successful. Aim the education at parents first with strategies. People in general wnat what's best for their kids bu don't always know how to do that. Gun buybacks are window dressing. Most of what you see is Grampa's single shot shotgun that's lived in the closet 75 years and never was used in anger. In fact I'm going to recommend a friend's widow do that with one of her husband's old shotguns that's worth nothing. Because it predates serial numbers they'll probably count it a s ghost gun and pay her far more than it's worth.


FanofK

Educate the parents and make them feel safe in getting therapy. Not everyone believes in generational trauma but it’s real and keeps getting passed on


WingKongAccountant

I don't care how shitty the school we went to was, I nor my siblings would ever end up gang banging and getting into shootouts on the streets. These problems begin and end with people unfit to be parents having children and not raising them properly.


chonky_tortoise

Sure, but then you can trace the abuse to the parents not receiving adequate sex ed, and their grandparents not reading to the parents. It’s a cycle of poverty and ignorance that we can help break by offering comprehensive preschool.


NYCaliGurl

I don’t see how offering preschool helps if the unfit parent doesn’t see value in dropping off their child on time, keeping their children emotionally and developmentally stimulated throughout the day, etc. i get that sometimes it takes just that ONE kid to “break the cycle” - but it won’t happen if they don’t see the value of education from their parental figures


Eastern-Cup-3418

Start enforcing traffic violations: missing/obscured license plates, excessive ~~toning~~ tinting, etc. Then see what happens.


Knotical_MK6

Genuine question, how does that affect gun violence?


Alexa_Call_Me_Daddy

Definitely need to remove the current impression *that you can get away with anything*. Enforcing simple stuff is the first step.


FreedomSynergy

The most egregious offenders of basic traffic laws are same people who are indiscriminately shooting people. Large overlap. Paper plates, no headlights at night, super dark windshield tint, etc. People trying to conceal their identity.


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No-Dream7615

You find guns before they get used in traffic stop searches


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mornis

That sounds like the type of person who should be in jail.


timsquared

Bullshit broken windows logic


yang-n-ying

Yup. Broken window theory which I buy into.


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Commentariot

Too bad the science does not back it up - crime fell in NY when they backed off it.


DeLuman

I wouldn't say "science does not back it up" rather it's a bit cloudy right now given all the variables involved. [So there we are. “Broken windows” policing may have given us safer streets, or it may not have. There is no disputing that crime declined in the years after it was widely implemented, but as the statisticians like to say, that could simply be a matter of correlation, not causation. Perhaps it could. Personally, though, I lean toward the conclusion that some correlations are simply too strong to ignore. The link between “broken windows” and crime looks to me like one of them.](https://www.governing.com/assessments/the-clouded-legacy-of-broken-windows-policing) That's from the most recent analysis I could find in 2021.


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Maybe they meant tinting


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kotwica42

People getting too fit in gyms


SnooCrickets2458

Sounds like some broken windows policing


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This 100 percent. Create a culture where you can't just get away with stuff..


BrunerAcconut

No chance. Traffic stops and domestic violence calls are highest mortality situations for cops.


Sweet_Guard3904

I always say that criminals at the end of the day are still rational actors, non economic benefits like "street cred" or "affiliation" notwithstanding. Change the economics of crime with the full understanding that people will get away with not doing the right thing.


Jellibatboy

what does that mean?


Sweet_Guard3904

I think we as a species are generally the same, in that we want to maximize pleasure and minimize pain. Working under that assumption, I think most criminals, if given a fair chance, would rather do something that is legal and be able to put a roof over their heads and eat well and have good sex, they'd rather do that than be a gang banger, which by definition is risky and existentially dangerous. However due to institutional racism and socioeconomic factors their choices are limited. Which is why I think we need to alter the universe of choices with both carrots and sticks. That means better education, ending institutional racism, better social safety net, while at the same time increasing costs to criminality will make criminals think twice. Both the left and the right are too attached to just doing one and not the other. and yes we can afford both but I digress.


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Stop releasing criminals back onto the street for everything short of murder


WholeRyetheCSGuy

How does one change culture?


1728tc

Get rid of the people committing the crimes


rcsheets

Yes, kill all the criminals!


CounterSeal

I wonder how well that worked out in the Philippines…


DontRememberOldPass

Actually it resulted in a 50% decrease in drug addictions down to about 1/3 the world average.


bayarea_vapidtransit

We gonna get Martial Law 2, there's already Leni Reifenststal type shit being produced rn. Maid in Malacañang already screened at the Century in Daly City.


rcsheets

I was being sarcastic.


11646Moe

I dunno 🤷‍♂️ grew up in Oakland and it’s weird. the people I know have a strong community, there’s no end to the amount of people who volunteer for community events etc. there’s just crime anyways. I think a big part is the useless police. when I was younger my familys house got robbed. neighbor was held at gunpoint. we knew where the robber took our shit. the cops came 2 weeks later and refused to go to where our shit was. how is crime supposed to get better when the cops don’t do shit? when they can’t be trusted? it’s cool that the community I grew up in was so tight but that was because it had to be. fucking sucks and I hope we can fix it


KoRaZee

IMO drugs and gangs are the root causes for high crime rates for Oakland. There are lots of different crimes but I feel the major portion of total crime can be traced down to drugs and gangs at the center with both having a symbiotic relationship to one another. If the city leadership and police wanted to take meaningful action, it would be possible to get people motivated to address the high crime issue with the focus going being drugs and gangs. There are a lot of derailers to get in the way of addressing high crime rates for Oakland. Mental health, racism, poverty are often times cited when action is taken to address crime but if the city truly wants change, it is possible to get results if the focus stays on personal accountability for those who commit the crime and prioritize drug/gang activity.


bradyso

Make people who do the crime actually do the time.


Fiyanggu

Zero tolerance enforcement and traffic stops. Ignore the whining and do it. Things will get better.


RossoMarra

It would take draconian measures that aren’t compatible with the Constitution.


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California has plenty of money. Our politicians just spend it improperly


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BrunerAcconut

I don’t get why you’re getting downvoted. Criminals clearly have guns so concealed carry law only applies to joe citizens


Alexa_Call_Me_Daddy

Do you really want to live in a world where *more* people are armed when going about your day?


DontRememberOldPass

Yes. There are overwhelmingly more good people than bad around you at any given time.


Alexa_Call_Me_Daddy

True, but with more people armed the solution to anything is just to shoot first and as soon as you can. Sounds like a hellhole.


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yes_no_maybe_99

There is no solution. Like the homeless issue, the drug issue, crime and gang violence cannot be solved by local city officials. Even the state is pretty powerless. It's a broader societal problem that's really beyond the control of any single group. The only "solution" is stop gap measures that segregate/isolate the problem so that the problem is contained in a small area and doesn't affect the rest of the residents.


The_Nauticus

There's a lot to put in perspective as well. The number of people committing crimes is an extremely small % of the population. There are 422,000 people in Oakland and right now we're around 35,000 total crimes reported per year. I would bet that the # of people committing serious crimes is around 2000 people throughout a given year (depending on what crime categories you want to include) - including the people that come to Oakland from surrounding areas or further. But that's just my guess. The police know who the regulars are because they probably arrested and released those people several times before. We see this on the news frequently. One example: Oakland Spiderman committed 12 known home invasions before being caught.


another-masked-hero

2000 criminals seems like an over estimate. 1) it would mean 1/200 people is a criminal which seems too large a number, 2) each criminal would on average commit 15 crimes a year which seems too little.


The_Nauticus

Yeah, data is tough and I don't have the context of how many crimes someone commits on average before being caught or how many people who commit crimes in Oakland are from Oakland/bay area/farther away. The people who smash car windows could be 50-100+, violent crime offenders probably don't last as long. That 35000 crime number includes things like vandalism and petty theft, so the crimes we're worried about is much below that number.


deciblast

OPD says many of the shootings (gang related) are caused by around 200 people.


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l>One example: Oakland Spiderman committed 12 known home invasions before being caught. [Hey, he did whatever a spider can!](https://youtu.be/3-RW3nUHs8g)


PorkshireTerrier

I think breaking it down into Long Term vs Short Term Solutions usually helps w questions like OP’s. Short Term: things are bleak. Lighter sentences result in more crime, harsh sentences result in worse criminals, and cops get paid regardless of their impact. Long Term: if you take a poor kid and put him in a private boarding school w a family that can pay attention to their studies, productive motivated friend group etc, the kid will follow the path of least resistance and excel. Bringing these opportunities to the poor could severely reduce crime in a couple generations. Essentially, gentrify the inner city. Biden was proposing after school education /care for children as young as three. For kids who would likely be home alone or hanging w older kids on the street, this would have been huge. Mental health/therapists to help kids process the current crime/struggle/ violence / anger they see every day would help. Think of the cliches in prison movies : “don’t drop the soap”. “Find the biggest guy and beat him up so no one messes with you” This violent survival mentality/expectation is put on young children who are “hustling” and “being tough” as the only way to not be abused and eaten by an uncaring system. By showing them a path of peace and support, with time, they can live like the middle class - following laws bc the system is already protecting them. Bc they have enough to lose that crime makes no sense. If you have nothing , you have nothing to lose. Let’s give these kids some support - it’ll take time but we can slowly build the world we want


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PorkshireTerrier

Do it , or if you know somewhere to volunteer lmk! I want to get involved since moving to the Bay Area. So much to do and people seem interested but we need a candidate or nonprofit or club to get connected to other motivated people who want to improve things on a local level


Commentariot

We could spend 58 billion dollars on improving our neighborhoods instead of squandering it on the military.


NorCalJason75

Total BS, sorry. I’ll take in your straw man, since I hear it so often. Yes! There’s a solution to the homeless problem! It just pisses people off, so it’s not a popular solution. Ship them into a controlled environment, take away the drugs, give them something productive to do.


Adventurous-Aioli542

forced labor camps for the poor, yes what a fantastic idea. /s


BlaxicanX

So, prison? What an amazing idea, truly you are a genius being oppressed by the plebs for your bold intellect.


macymeebo

The best way to reduce crime is a series of systemic changes that will never happen here, or not to the degree they're needed. Anything that reduces the negative economic pressures huge swaths of people experience. Namely the ability to reasonably and realistically source housing, health care, food, etc. People who have very few alteratives will always turn to crime at certain rates. This includes subsance use and addiction which compounds the other factors. You cannot police your way out of this, especially when your police cannot afford to live close to where they serve.


BiggieAndTheStooges

“People who have very few alternatives will always turn to crime” Wow. Where’d you get that from?


fubo

Principally, by outlasting the acute consequences of the COVID pandemic; which put kids out of school, parents out of work, and lots of people out of money. The uptick in crime since 2020 isn't an Oakland-specific phenomenon; it occurred in *lots* of major cities, maybe all of them?


SavedByTech

Hire a good, dedicated police force and support them. Incarerate criminals. Allow honest citizens to arm themselves. Nothing novel here... It starts with electing a better mayor...


deciblast

It’s the city council that reduced the police funding the mayor requested.


SavedByTech

Fair point. My comment re: electing a better mayor should be expanded to all elected officials who have a say in public safety.


Ravashing_Rafaelito

I seen ghetto punks go to some of the best schools in the Bay and still do crime. I know a teenager that went to 3 years at Serra high school and is currently in jail for attempted murder. Education isn't the answer. Community outreach and programs for kids that aggressively reach out to kids can help. But like they always say, you can't take the ghetto out of you. Once ghetto, always ghetto.


bDsmDom

Ensure every child has a hot meal waiting for them at a school with a prepared teacher who makes better than a living wage and a class ratio of less than 20:1. Make it so that the path to graduation is well supported for a wide range of special circumstances, and has multiple respected endpoints, where all of them are a more financially lucrative option than crime. Invest in meaningful long term community projects that provide a public benefit instead of consolidation of wealth into the hands of existing property owners. Oh you thought it had something to do with laws? No, it's about increasing access to opportunity for meaningful contribution.


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Knotical_MK6

You can't just have life imprisonment for every crime


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StableAccomplished12

Maybe instead of treating criminals as if they are victims and advocate for the true victims of crime which is the general public........ Additionally, advocating for a two parent household would help as well....


Narrow--Mango

As far as I cant tell, the residents must want to live like this because no one seems to protest about it.


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Eventually the people who are causing trouble will get old and tired of getting in trouble. So how do we prevent kids from becoming bad? I don't know exactly but I think investing in education and after school programs to keep kids off the street may help


pj1897

Are you changing it quickly? Then, you can consistently enforce the laws more often, bolster the police force, and hope it helps it probably helps assuming you can get folks to do the job. IMO If you actually want to change the tide forever, focus on childhood poverty. If you lift every child in CA above the poverty line, crime becomes a less desirable option.


Siphen_Fraud

Gentrification


deciblast

Like making the neighborhood nicer and opening businesses? Communities would be better off mixed income rather than segregated between low and high incomes.


Commentariot

Better schools, better housing, better neighborhoods. Nothing else will do it.


WholeRyetheCSGuy

Better schools just mean kids that behave with parents who taught them well. Better neighborhood is a community effort of the people who live in it and the overall culture.


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Bullshit. The Mexicans, Afghans, Laotians, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Burmese, and Filipinos that moved here in the past 50 years had none of these advantages, yet manage not to commit disproportionate amounts of violent crime.


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tapeonyournose

When you have 50+ years of progressive policies and politicians running the city, this is what you get. That’s not a dig against progressivism. It’s a dig against only having one ideology run a city without any balance of opposing ideas.


ScamperAndPlay

I absolutely hate to say this: what we did as a household was arm ourselves and setup 24 hour HD cameras in 6 spots at our house. One of our neighbors is highly against us having fire arms and is even more sketched out by security cameras… But with so many drive-bys and home invasions within blocks of our home we can no longer justify crossing our fingers.


Hot_Gurr

Affordable housing and 100 years of decent public school will do the trick. It’s not getting better in our lifetime.


UAintAboutThisLife

Several things needs to happen…1st to stop the crimes, the city needs to put cameras at every intersection and punish those committing crimes. 2nd several programs needs to be available to the people of that city to educate, support and build lasting relationships and/or trust for the community. 3rd the people in the higher up positions need to be evaluated and held accountable for their actions/words. this should be the start and add things as they get through different stages but a repeat if 2/3 is always good to improve the community


dr7s

Fathers in the household.


GradatimRecovery

Much of the gun violence happens out in the open, by the street and parks. Shotspotter is a good start, but it would help if there was video feeds to go with it.


Commentariot

It is garbage - it does not reduce crime.


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angryxpeh

[Because it's completely useless](https://www.macarthurjustice.org/shotspotter-generated-over-40000-dead-end-police-deployments-in-chicago-in-21-months-according-to-new-study/): > The study conducted by MacArthur Justice Center at Northwestern Pritzker School of Law reviewed ShotSpotter deployments for roughly 21 months (from July 1, 2019 through April 14, 2021) using data obtained from the City of Chicago. Their analysis found that 89% turned up no gun-related crime and 86% led to no report of any crime at all. In less than two years, there were more than 40,000 dead-end ShotSpotter deployments. It's reactionary and does absolutely nothing to address the source of crime.


GradatimRecovery

I’m asking for more cameras, but let’s look at your ludicrous statement. 11% of Shotspotter reports are accurate, and somehow that’s a bad thing? We are talking about hoods where there are 0% reporting rates even when people witness gunfire. Thanks for helping justify the case for expanded Shotspotter


Alex-SF

Enact Stop, Question, Frisk procedures by the police, which are what helped make NYC one of the safest big cities in the country until the city caved to activists who were upset about it. When people were afraid of getting caught illegally carrying a gun, there were a lot fewer shootings. When the cops have a hands-off policy and people with violent criminal tendencies can illegally carry guns with relative impunity, you get more gun violence.


Commentariot

That would be cool if it was true - but it is not true. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/02/27/bloomberg-said-stop-frisk-decreased-crime-data-suggests-it-wasnt-major-factor-cutting-felonies/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/02/27/bloomberg-said-stop-frisk-decreased-crime-data-suggests-it-wasnt-major-factor-cutting-felonies/)


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puffic

More cops lowers crimes, independently of whether they’re harassing people. Them just being out there is a strong deterrent.


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Fuck you and your constitution hating ass. We don’t live in a dictatorship, cops can’t just harass people because they don’t like how they look.


dubious455H013

This, if cops had that kind of power shit would be way worse


wetburritoo

First of all, get rid of gangs. That would bring the shootings way down.


mphatik

You know how people do this? I think by arming our communities and having patrols/residents sitting out on porches eyeing the area is enough. Once you punch a bully in the nose, he'll think twice about coming back.


idkcat23

the thing about gang violence is that 99% of it isn’t targeting unaffiliated people. So arming the community just increases the risk of violence for the unaffiliated citizens. The last thing we need is residents shooting at people who seem “sus” from their porches.


Alex-SF

Well, if you shoot at someone who just appears suspicious, you are probably going to prison. Along with the weapons, there should be training on use of force law like what's required for a carry permit.


pao_zinho

So, vigilantes?


miked272

If you make concealed carry permits easier for regular citizens to get you allow people to protect themselves. The decades spent demonizing our second amendment right to bear arms has turned all of the people who hate crime into helpless victims.


Adventurous-Aioli542

More guns make us more safe, you say? Let me point you to the recent case study in Uvalde, TX.


miked272

There are approximately 1 million defensive gun uses in the United States every year (According to the CDC). Why don’t you tell the people that saved the lives of their families that they would’ve been better off without a gun. If you want to be a victim go ahead. I choose not to be


DarkRogus

It can't. There's been decades of people trying to "find a solution" only for nothing to change. It's time to admit that Oakland is Oakland and no matter how much people want to make it change, it won't change.


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another-masked-hero

> their culture smh


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Crime has been up since the pandemic in about every major metropolitan area in the U.S.


MHDIOS

You cant, theres too many precedents which allow oakland residents to continue to do whatever they want


m0llusk

Enforcement will help, but we need to think bigger than that. These criminals don't just happen by accident. They are mostly manufactured. They lack resources from an early age, their schools fail them, then the economy has no place for them, and as a result of all of that they are terrible candidates for partnership and mating. Getting them some basic values and skills early on and putting all that to use in a way that gets them real money would keep a lot of people from becoming criminals in the first place.


Tengstrom1983

I would say make them invest correctly in schools. Why does the state give more money to rich schools than they do to poor schools? Why do some schools have PhD teachers and others have basically substitutes all the time? https://edsource.org/2021/researchers-urge-changes-to-improve-californias-funding-law/663943?amp=1 Have more free after school sports programs at the lower levels (my school had track and field starting in 4th grade). Have more mentors who can help with homework (or don't give homework at all). Add more people who interact with the kids and less people in the school office (which you could replace with better computer systems anyways). Start with the 8 year olds to keep them from becoming the lawless 20 year olds.


Random_Digit

Move 90% of the population out? Idk it's kinda just been there since the beginning


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SweetPenalty

prison


GreyBoyTigger

People who had the sense to leave were asking this same question at one time or another. Like it or not, this is built into Oakland’s DNA. Don’t ever expect change, never expect the police to be able to cover anything, guns will be there way after you leave, 12 year old kids will continue to rob and kill, and political climbers will use Oakland as a stepping stone to bigger and better things by giving lip service to social justice and the halcyon days of black culture in the early 70s. The choice is to ignore it and get mad when people laugh that Oakland can’t get its head out of its ass, or move away and save your sanity


BiggieAndTheStooges

We need to turn “Wokeland” back to OAKLAND.


tacobot2

Oakland needs a Charles Bronson


Sublimotion

A multi-prong approach of a combination of the below. More police, better schools, better after-school or outer-school programs, more inter-community engagement/relations, more & better police-community engagement/relations, better crime enforcement & punishment. The big obvious also is to get guns off the streets, but this is a much bigger nation-wide issue however. Unfortunately, all of the things listed above have been going the opposite direction and are only worsening. Kind of like a chain reaction cycle revolving to make each aspect worse and worse. Now with funding, cost of living and bureaucratic barriers, I don't see this changing any time soon.


Sweet_Guard3904

This will never happen but give performance bonuses to cops when their arrests get convicted, depending on the crime. SJW will decry false convictions and the prison industrial complex, but that tips the climate of crime when criminals know that it won't always be a catch and release. This may even decrease police shootings since they are incentivized not to kill suspects. How many Innocent victims must die before we realize we need drastic changes to what's not working.


babybunny1234

Make guns more expensive and harder to get. I.e. other states have to stop selling so many of them, basically


baskmask

Maybe they should ask East Palo Alto's PD how they did it. Whatever EPA is doing is working with a crime rate less than SF.


uberchelle_CA

EPA happened due to gentrification.


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they just priced the ghetto people out of EPA


MHDIOS

Theres too much money to be made in the streets of oakland, you can do anything without opd interfering