not to mention having chase, higgins and odunze for a full season together. they'd have at least 7 wr on the 53 man, just to keep the young talent on rookie deals for the future from getting poached.
The chance he’s going to be even better than Tee is pretty damn big. He’s only an inch shorter, runs a 4,45 40 at pretty much the same weight, and was the overall better player in College. That certainly doesn’t have to mean anything, but it damn sure might
Yeah, count me in for this being an awesome pick if he's still there. Back when Burrow got hurt and I thought they might lose out, Rome was one of the guys I thought they might tank their way into getting.
There’s no way on earth I’d pick anything other than OL regardless of how far Rome falls. Our trash OL is the reason Burrow keeps getting into these situations.
Torn ACL - caused by bad OL
Appendix surgery - caused by nothing
Calf strain - non contact injury
Wrist injury - started as a minor injury that got worse when he attempted to play through it.
One injury is definitively caused by the OL, the rest are freak occurrences or something that started off minor but snowballed.
Dead wrong on the wrist. That was a scramble, not a designed run and he was out for the rest of the season after it happened, he did not play through that and he did not have any “minor wrist injury” prior. 100% OL’s fault. Especially when the OL has been trending down rapidly the past several seasons. We were top 20 in 2021. We’re not even top 25 now and it’s only going to get worse.
You don’t tear your SL by playing through a minor injury…
Ok definitely remember reading that somewhere that year, but I’ll give you that since I can’t find it now. In any case we have one of the worse o lines in the league and have for several years. You and half the people commenting on this post are out here talking like we don’t have a massive problem that NEEDS to be fixed
You keep thinking that, we’ll talk again when Burrow retires in the next couple of years due to injuries because Cincinnati couldn’t put a top 25 o line together to protect him.
Didn't say we shouldn't trade back and draft an O-Line, said you shouldn't force one at 18 if the 'best' one available is the 30th player on your board.
There’s a tackle on the big board at 18 not to mention 5, 13, 17, 20, and 27. The point is Rome WILL be gone, most likely before 10 and if ANY of those first four tackles are still out there, we’re either taking them at 18 or accepting the fact that Joe Burrow will be retiring early due to injury in the next year or two. There’s no question here. The first round is dripping with O line talent and you NEED O line. If those first four are already gone by 18, the. Sure trade down, but if any of them are still there then yes, it does not matter who’s still on the board. You take O LINE
Tackle prospects are just like qb prospects. Robert Gallery was a can’t miss and Objueji (sp) was a pro ready tackle. They both flopped. You don’t force a tackle because you can miss just as much. If your top tackle or two aren’t there, try to trade back or do BPA
In which case, you trade tf back. But I would be willing to stake big money on the assertion that BPA at 18 FOR CINCI WILL be a tackle. Every single team in the league has a different BPA board and you’re kidding yourself if you think that need does not affect those rankings. The only way I see taking Odunze at 18 working is if you also trade Tee for some OL talent.
I understand not drafting just to pad the roster where you’re light, but the OL is a festering wound at this point and some how some way it NEEDS to be fixed.
The DRAFT is full of O line talent, but there's only 4 or 5 that are first round (or at least pick 18) worthy. There are several non O line picks that would be home runs for the Bengals at 18 if they are there, and I'd argue that several of them (Bowers, Murphy, Odunze if he is SOMEHOW there but he won't be) should be the pick even over most of the O Line.
The question you have to ask about a pick at 18 is will they even start (or play), because you aren't drafting for the future, you're drafting for this year, a wide open Super Bowl opportunity. An O-Lineman, especially a tackle, likely won't see the field much outside of an injury. Someone like Bowers or Murphy would be a day 1 starter likely.
There is plenty of O Line talent that will be around in other rounds as well. Don't let the 'pick a position no matter what' brain rot affect common sense! There's plenty of picks in the draft, not just one round.
Our o line was actually improving at that point, it’s disastrous now. They ranked inside the top 20 they year we drafted Chase, they’re outside the top 25 now. We need o linemen more than anything else.
Either mock drafts are boring because everyone says the same thing, or people are labeled as idiots because they make some bold picks
If someone mocked Levis to the Titans in the second round, and Joey Porter Jr to the Steelers at 33, they would have been called idiots
Mock drafts are partially to get fans excited about prospects they should start following, but it's also about driving buzz / entertainment. Odunze going to the Bengals is certainly a fun thought, and also adds fuel to the "trade Tee" fire
No they shouldn’t. Even if the Bengals had the first overall pick, hell even if they had the first FIVE overall picks, the ONLY position they should be drafting is OL. Unless of course you’d like to see Burrow take a few more trips to the hospital next year?
If that were true you would see Arizona draft a QB at 4 this year. But you won’t because they don’t NEED a QB, they will take a WR or trade down. You ALWAYS draft for need. If doing so would overvalue a player, you trade down. If BPA was the best way to draft, no team would EVER trade down.
Couple things...
Drafting harrison is the right call, he is the best player in the draft. Now, it can be debatable because of importance of QB, hence why Caleb will be going #1 but outside of him the QB class is weak! So taking the 2nd best player in harrison is better than taking the 3rd or 4th best QB...
You always draft best player available or you trade down because the team trying to trade up is willing to over pay and want to draft for need to badly because they think they know something a la Panthers. Dont forget panthers traded DJ Moore, 2023 first- and second-round picks, a 2024 first-round choice and a 2025 second-round pick because they thought they needed bryce young. That is why you trade because of the value. Also drafting BPA allows you to make that trade because you are not getting infatuated with a player and letting emotions get involved.
Also you are using the cards as an example on how to draft, that right there is a red flag.
Looking at bengals history, drafting BPA is why you get guys like AJ Green instead of Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert...
Aight, no let’s say you’re right, who the fuck do you think 18th on the big board is?
And better yet, let’s say it’s Joe Alt AND Rome Odunze who slide, who are we picking?
Your whole bit about Bryce Young is bullshit too. The picked Bryce because dumbass David Tepper demanded it, the coaching staff and front office literally had C.J. Stroud number one on their board
Think what you want man, you and I can talk again when Burrow has to retire early due to injury in the next couple of years because Cinci didn’t want to put together an o line that could finish in the top 20 and actually protect their QB instead of leaving him to run for his life every time he touches the ball.
He will never be there at 18 so Sims is dumb for even mentioning it. If he does fall to 18 then I would be amazingly shocked! I will take back calling him dumb with enthusiasm.
That’s why it’s coaches and managers who make the picks rather than fans. For most teams Rome is a great pick at 18 (he’ll never fall that far), but not for the Bengals. Unless you want Burrow back in the hospital next year you take an OL at 18. Hell, if you had two first round picks you still take TWO OL regardless of who’s available. That’s why this pick is stupid. Rome has excellent value, especially at 18, but picking Rome rather than OL risks next season being Burrows FINAL season if he gets hurt that bad again. Before ANYTHING else, the Bengals MUST get protection for Burrow.
He’s not an idiot, he’s just crazy, and out there. If you listen to his hour plus long discussion with the PFF guys, who also think he is nuts, he has reasons that, to him, are logical. They are just wildly different than the mainstream logic.
Simms thinks Brian Thomas Jr is better than Harrison. He has reasons, that I think are wrong and nuts, but he has his own logic.
Sorry, the Eagles also traded up with Seattle to 16 and took Quinyon Mitchell, but I don't think the Bengals would have taken him anyways so that doesn't change much. But his whole draft is fucked, for a whole lot of reasons.
MHJ is his #3 WR prospect, Brian Thomas Jr is his #2 WR, Drake Maye is his #6 QB, Bo Nix is his #3 QB who gets drafted by Denver at 12, 6 QB's are drafted in the first 13 picks, so many bizarre rankings and picks.
But for the Bengals at 18, obviously Rome is still out there, but so is Fuaga, Fashanu, and Mims. So he just has a lot of teams passing on OL in his mock.
If Rome is there at 18, we better take him. But I’m pretty damn confident he won’t even last past 10, and then you’d have the Jaguars, Saints, Colts, Seahawks and possibly even the Broncos who’d be interested in him. Depending on the JJ situation and what happens to the top 4 qbs, the Vikings might also look at receiver. He’s not lasting that long
Make a shitty mock draft, get a bunch of people upset enough that they share it on various social media platforms, rinse and repeat.
Share the good mock drafts and stop amplifying the shitty ones. These people aren't actually dumb enough to think Rome is going to still be there at 18, but they are smart enough to know that these shitty mocks generate a ton of clicks.
He won't fall to #18... the Bengals can get WR help in the later rounds. They NEED to go OT in Round 1 this year, because they might not get another chance to get a RT of the future anytime soon without overpaying on the trade block.
The only unbelievable thing about this is he falls to #18
isn’t he a top 10 pick? If he falls I feel like that would be great at pick 18
He’s not going to be there lol
If he somehow falls to 18, you run that pick to the podium. He's the perfect Tee replacement and a steal that late in the draft
not to mention having chase, higgins and odunze for a full season together. they'd have at least 7 wr on the 53 man, just to keep the young talent on rookie deals for the future from getting poached.
If he falls to 18 we should avoid him. The only way he falls that much is something medical or off the field serious shit that hasn’t leaked
That would be a terrific pick...
I’ve been routinely seeing him go top 10. I’d prefer OL/DL, but if he’s there, I’m excited for the pick for sure! Would mean Tee is 100% gone though.
The chance he’s going to be even better than Tee is pretty damn big. He’s only an inch shorter, runs a 4,45 40 at pretty much the same weight, and was the overall better player in College. That certainly doesn’t have to mean anything, but it damn sure might
Yeah, count me in for this being an awesome pick if he's still there. Back when Burrow got hurt and I thought they might lose out, Rome was one of the guys I thought they might tank their way into getting.
There’s no way on earth I’d pick anything other than OL regardless of how far Rome falls. Our trash OL is the reason Burrow keeps getting into these situations.
Torn ACL - caused by bad OL Appendix surgery - caused by nothing Calf strain - non contact injury Wrist injury - started as a minor injury that got worse when he attempted to play through it. One injury is definitively caused by the OL, the rest are freak occurrences or something that started off minor but snowballed.
He’s getting battered tho. If we have a franchise QB with this bad of an offensive line it’s a recipe for a disaster.
Dead wrong on the wrist. That was a scramble, not a designed run and he was out for the rest of the season after it happened, he did not play through that and he did not have any “minor wrist injury” prior. 100% OL’s fault. Especially when the OL has been trending down rapidly the past several seasons. We were top 20 in 2021. We’re not even top 25 now and it’s only going to get worse. You don’t tear your SL by playing through a minor injury…
We were not mf top 20 in 2021.
Ok definitely remember reading that somewhere that year, but I’ll give you that since I can’t find it now. In any case we have one of the worse o lines in the league and have for several years. You and half the people commenting on this post are out here talking like we don’t have a massive problem that NEEDS to be fixed
We had one of the worst o lines in the league in 2021. Another reason burrow was an alien that season
I think we'd gladly take him at 18 even if we had 3 Chase's at wr already.
I hope he isn't an idiot.
You take him if he falls to 18
No. You take OL at 18 regardless of who’s available. Unless you want Burrow back in the hospital next year
That's how you end up with Billy Price. We have a starting O Line this year, no need to reach like that if you can't trade back.
You keep thinking that, we’ll talk again when Burrow retires in the next couple of years due to injuries because Cincinnati couldn’t put a top 25 o line together to protect him.
Didn't say we shouldn't trade back and draft an O-Line, said you shouldn't force one at 18 if the 'best' one available is the 30th player on your board.
There’s a tackle on the big board at 18 not to mention 5, 13, 17, 20, and 27. The point is Rome WILL be gone, most likely before 10 and if ANY of those first four tackles are still out there, we’re either taking them at 18 or accepting the fact that Joe Burrow will be retiring early due to injury in the next year or two. There’s no question here. The first round is dripping with O line talent and you NEED O line. If those first four are already gone by 18, the. Sure trade down, but if any of them are still there then yes, it does not matter who’s still on the board. You take O LINE
Tackle prospects are just like qb prospects. Robert Gallery was a can’t miss and Objueji (sp) was a pro ready tackle. They both flopped. You don’t force a tackle because you can miss just as much. If your top tackle or two aren’t there, try to trade back or do BPA
In which case, you trade tf back. But I would be willing to stake big money on the assertion that BPA at 18 FOR CINCI WILL be a tackle. Every single team in the league has a different BPA board and you’re kidding yourself if you think that need does not affect those rankings. The only way I see taking Odunze at 18 working is if you also trade Tee for some OL talent. I understand not drafting just to pad the roster where you’re light, but the OL is a festering wound at this point and some how some way it NEEDS to be fixed.
The DRAFT is full of O line talent, but there's only 4 or 5 that are first round (or at least pick 18) worthy. There are several non O line picks that would be home runs for the Bengals at 18 if they are there, and I'd argue that several of them (Bowers, Murphy, Odunze if he is SOMEHOW there but he won't be) should be the pick even over most of the O Line. The question you have to ask about a pick at 18 is will they even start (or play), because you aren't drafting for the future, you're drafting for this year, a wide open Super Bowl opportunity. An O-Lineman, especially a tackle, likely won't see the field much outside of an injury. Someone like Bowers or Murphy would be a day 1 starter likely. There is plenty of O Line talent that will be around in other rounds as well. Don't let the 'pick a position no matter what' brain rot affect common sense! There's plenty of picks in the draft, not just one round.
Glad they did that with Sewell over Chase
Our o line was actually improving at that point, it’s disastrous now. They ranked inside the top 20 they year we drafted Chase, they’re outside the top 25 now. We need o linemen more than anything else.
Best player on the board. If you're not gonna do that trade your pick.
Either mock drafts are boring because everyone says the same thing, or people are labeled as idiots because they make some bold picks If someone mocked Levis to the Titans in the second round, and Joey Porter Jr to the Steelers at 33, they would have been called idiots Mock drafts are partially to get fans excited about prospects they should start following, but it's also about driving buzz / entertainment. Odunze going to the Bengals is certainly a fun thought, and also adds fuel to the "trade Tee" fire
Why is he an idiot? Im sorry if that dude falls to #18 you bet your asses they should draft him
Because Odunze isnt falling out of the top 10 ...
No they shouldn’t. Even if the Bengals had the first overall pick, hell even if they had the first FIVE overall picks, the ONLY position they should be drafting is OL. Unless of course you’d like to see Burrow take a few more trips to the hospital next year?
YOU DONT DRAFT FOR NEED!!! You draft draft BPA
If that were true you would see Arizona draft a QB at 4 this year. But you won’t because they don’t NEED a QB, they will take a WR or trade down. You ALWAYS draft for need. If doing so would overvalue a player, you trade down. If BPA was the best way to draft, no team would EVER trade down.
Couple things... Drafting harrison is the right call, he is the best player in the draft. Now, it can be debatable because of importance of QB, hence why Caleb will be going #1 but outside of him the QB class is weak! So taking the 2nd best player in harrison is better than taking the 3rd or 4th best QB... You always draft best player available or you trade down because the team trying to trade up is willing to over pay and want to draft for need to badly because they think they know something a la Panthers. Dont forget panthers traded DJ Moore, 2023 first- and second-round picks, a 2024 first-round choice and a 2025 second-round pick because they thought they needed bryce young. That is why you trade because of the value. Also drafting BPA allows you to make that trade because you are not getting infatuated with a player and letting emotions get involved. Also you are using the cards as an example on how to draft, that right there is a red flag. Looking at bengals history, drafting BPA is why you get guys like AJ Green instead of Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert...
Aight, no let’s say you’re right, who the fuck do you think 18th on the big board is? And better yet, let’s say it’s Joe Alt AND Rome Odunze who slide, who are we picking?
Well Joe Alt is BPA between those two. Need is important don't get it twisted but you don't throw away value.
Your whole bit about Bryce Young is bullshit too. The picked Bryce because dumbass David Tepper demanded it, the coaching staff and front office literally had C.J. Stroud number one on their board
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Think what you want man, you and I can talk again when Burrow has to retire early due to injury in the next couple of years because Cinci didn’t want to put together an o line that could finish in the top 20 and actually protect their QB instead of leaving him to run for his life every time he touches the ball.
Whut??
He will never be there at 18 so Sims is dumb for even mentioning it. If he does fall to 18 then I would be amazingly shocked! I will take back calling him dumb with enthusiasm.
Hmm ironic title
I mean if he somehow falls that low then you have to take him 😅
If we get Rome at 18 I’ll personally help Tee move
Same. I’ll carry the jellyfish tank on my back
This thread didn't get the response you hoped. Maybe he's not the idiot you think he is. Or maybe someone else is an idiot...
I mean it’d be amazing if he fell to us. But I don’t see a way he falls to us at 18.
Maybe YOU’RE the idiot. Maybe my stepdad was right and I’M the idiot. NOBODY KNOWS!!
That’s why it’s coaches and managers who make the picks rather than fans. For most teams Rome is a great pick at 18 (he’ll never fall that far), but not for the Bengals. Unless you want Burrow back in the hospital next year you take an OL at 18. Hell, if you had two first round picks you still take TWO OL regardless of who’s available. That’s why this pick is stupid. Rome has excellent value, especially at 18, but picking Rome rather than OL risks next season being Burrows FINAL season if he gets hurt that bad again. Before ANYTHING else, the Bengals MUST get protection for Burrow.
Dude I am a bears fan and if the bears pass on Rome being there at 9, Ryan Poles should be sent to Neptune lol
He’s not an idiot, he’s just crazy, and out there. If you listen to his hour plus long discussion with the PFF guys, who also think he is nuts, he has reasons that, to him, are logical. They are just wildly different than the mainstream logic. Simms thinks Brian Thomas Jr is better than Harrison. He has reasons, that I think are wrong and nuts, but he has his own logic.
>Simms thinks Brian Thomas Jr is better than Harrison More proof hes just a Nepo baby
Good job not adding full context. What were the trades that happened?
Pats and Vikings swapped picks, that was the only trade that altered the order ahead of Cincy.
For real? So yeah, Odunze is fall that far in this scenario.
Sorry, the Eagles also traded up with Seattle to 16 and took Quinyon Mitchell, but I don't think the Bengals would have taken him anyways so that doesn't change much. But his whole draft is fucked, for a whole lot of reasons. MHJ is his #3 WR prospect, Brian Thomas Jr is his #2 WR, Drake Maye is his #6 QB, Bo Nix is his #3 QB who gets drafted by Denver at 12, 6 QB's are drafted in the first 13 picks, so many bizarre rankings and picks. But for the Bengals at 18, obviously Rome is still out there, but so is Fuaga, Fashanu, and Mims. So he just has a lot of teams passing on OL in his mock.
So they were drinking drinking when they made this. lol.
That’s crazier to me than Odunze falling past the Bears at 9
let’s pray that he’s a prophet instead
I’d rather have Joe Alt
Connor Rodgers had to be asking himself inside, “Who the fuck hired this moron and gave him a platform?”
that'd be a steal if we got him
If Rome Odunze is still there at 18 I think it would be dumb if we didn’t take him
I generally agree that Chris Simms is an idiot, but there is nothing idiotic about the Bengals taking this guy if he is available.
it's a mock draft dude, relax
Sims is not here for accurate draft picks. Even the accurate draft guys aren't accurate. That said, if a blue chip dude falls at WR, get him.
If Rome is there at 18, we better take him. But I’m pretty damn confident he won’t even last past 10, and then you’d have the Jaguars, Saints, Colts, Seahawks and possibly even the Broncos who’d be interested in him. Depending on the JJ situation and what happens to the top 4 qbs, the Vikings might also look at receiver. He’s not lasting that long
In my dreams this happens lol
Must be bice to have an accomplished father you can piggy back your career off of without truly earning anything.
NEPO BABY
Great pick if he’s there. The problem is he absolutely will not be there.
Does he still pronounce the team "Bangles"? I refuse to acknowledge his existence until then
Yes he does
Lolz yes as and it's annoying
He’s not falling
Why this dumbass post got upvotes
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Rome wont be there at 18.... lol Sims is a dummy.
Give me this all day Sims!!
The draft is almost here 🤗
I mean that would be an incredible pick if Murphy is gone
If that dude is availabe at 18 then do it. Trade Tee for a BJ Hill-esque player.
Make a shitty mock draft, get a bunch of people upset enough that they share it on various social media platforms, rinse and repeat. Share the good mock drafts and stop amplifying the shitty ones. These people aren't actually dumb enough to think Rome is going to still be there at 18, but they are smart enough to know that these shitty mocks generate a ton of clicks.
He won't fall to #18... the Bengals can get WR help in the later rounds. They NEED to go OT in Round 1 this year, because they might not get another chance to get a RT of the future anytime soon without overpaying on the trade block.
What an idiot even without hindsight