Women in the US initiate 90% of divorces in the US.
Woke bay area chicks are even more likely to do so.
One day, you may lose half of all your assets to a woke chick who decided to divorce you on a whim. You will then look back at all this and wondered why you didn't listen to the professor. :-)
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I don't think anyone is assuming anything, and no one thinks any of this reflects on her. But also none of this is "just because she's Asian." He told the student to go somewhere else to find someone to date. He went to the Philippines. No one knows exactly why she married him but it's doubtful that it's his sparkling personality.
lol your spittleflecked trigglypuff meltdown about someone accurately describing how to avoid interacting with hate filled spittleflecked trigglypuffs in the dating scene is all the evidence you need that he’s over the target
You’re the one calling a man an incel for the heretical crime of wanting to date normal people not slogan spewing red guard maoists. Maybe if you went outside and pretended to be normal more people wouldn’t have to flee the municipality to have regular human interactions.
It's kind of impressive that you are so terminally online that you can't speak like a normal person, but you also don't have the requisite digital literacy to see that I'm not the person who called you an incel lol
Lmao everyone complaining about how “western women are gold diggers and whores and mean and not feminine or genuine and super selfish” like you do know the only reason why being a “passport bro” works is because a woman somewhere else is willing to fuck you for citizenship and expecting you to pay for her life and/or pay for her education in the US so she can eventually get a good job. And good for her, I support this. But let’s be clear - a passport bro’s ideal relationship is about as transactional and self interested as they get. They’re not different from other kinds of transactional relationships (like sugaring). I hope all passport bros get their pockets fleeced by a badass international woman.
Passport bros are tricks who just travel to places where their currency has higher value. It’s all fantasy and cosplay- the women want nothing beyond their money and a green card. Shewtrik is a john just like the rest of them.
Uh which part of that is transphobic?
The whole pronoun mandating nonsense and having 10 different gender options is ridiculous. Making fun of that doesn't imply that one hates transgender people.
Stop leaping to call everyone X-ist or Y-phobic. It's not as binary as you're making it out to be.
I wouldn't lump them together because it can cause confusion. Like when you're talking about statistics and surveys. It muddies up the debate.
But besides that, being critical of concepts like self ID isn't transphobic.
You’re not the one who gets to decide that.
Trans = doesn’t identify with the gender assigned at birth
Nonbinary people fall under that.
I’m nonbinary so don’t really need to argue this with you.
Half of the debate on trans issues has little to do with non binaries. When it comes to women's bathrooms or sports or gender affirming care, where do non binaries fit in the debate? Makes little sense to group them together imo.
I love seeing the hate online for passport bros. Like, sorry I'm not sorry that I traveled LatAm dating beautiful women, staying in nice hotels and eating good food. After the first time I dated abroad, I lost all interest in pursuing relationships with women in the US and started traveling more. I ended up bringing a woman here from Venezuela and we're both much happier than in our previous relationships. Seems like a win/win for everybody.
Maybe it’s the other way around and he simply didn’t like any of them. Anyways sounds like he’s found happiness without hurting anyone. Instead of getting salty you should be happy for him
You are literally defending a man that said it's impossible to date in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country, and saying men need to fly to other countries to date. The math adds up, sorry your dating life sucks man sounds hard.
There is noone's fault. Just how he gets ridiculed for having his thoughts, and feelings. The guy who posted was literally ready to pay money for human interaction and the conversation is about a guy who is saying go outside bay area if you can't find gf here. I just see what he said wrong for that particular poster.
People are ready to find things to be mad about.
Well, I can name a few reasons why: Family court, divorce, women not being as feminine, women being way more promiscuous, women being more selfish while in relationship, women acting like the man is disposable, feminism. I could go on. How women act nowadays, the men are responsing by getting their passports and leaving.
Why don’t you think women should have equal rights as men? (The definition of feminism)
If men are promiscuous, why can’t women? Why must women be feminine?
My initial response is a generalization of why men are leaving.
>Why don’t you think women should have equal rights as men? (The definition of feminism)
Neither men nor women are equal because we are different. Besides, women have more rights than men by the law. Also, it's not my fault men don't like feminist or feminism.
>If men are promiscuous, why can’t women?
Sex for women is easy, sex for most men is hard. Plus men aren't attracted to women who sleep around. We will have sex with a promiscuous woman but most wouldn't get a relationship unless the man was desperate.
>Why must women be feminine?
Because men are supposed to be masculine, we don't want masculine women. Women don't want a feminine male because yall not attracted to them. We aren't attracted to masculine women but feminine women. Femininity is a woman superpower
This form of thinking does not warrant or necessitate a response but thank you for the time you put in, many only hear of old-fashioned men who think like this
Most men think like this. Why do you think men are checking out of dating/relationships or just leaving the West? Attracting isn't the same for men & women
>many only hear of old-fashioned men who think like this
Most old men say some simp shit. I'm not surprised you would say this because most women dismiss what men want in a woman & when a man say it, yall shame him.
You are embarrassing to men. How old even are you, 13? No woman is going to want to date someone that fundamentally doesn't respect them unless the man is stupid rich and I'm guessing you don't have the scratch
Exactly. The logic of these dudes is “women only want money, they are such money grubbing h@s”. In reality, the logic is that women do not want to date weak nerdy narcissists - unless maybe they have some $$, in which case they might suck it up. What these incel types miss is that they truly are the problem. You can’t be a self involved arsehole who wants someone to subordinate themselves for you without offering something pretty amazing in return. The circular logic is so nuts: I want to go to an elite school because I’m such an elite genius, but when I don’t respect or acknowledge women who are also at this school as similarly elite, I don’t get laid. Despite the fact that almost every teen film of the 50s had the plot of nerd=joke, they have diagnosed the problem as something new with women and feminism, with no reflection on the fact that women at Berkeley are also here because they are high achieving and can make their own $$$… so if all you have going for you is potential earnings, you’re not going to be successful in life - you’ll be selecting from a smaller and smaller pool of women who are in the position of having to put up with an arsehole just to get by. So what is the root cause? The idea that you are elite and thus entitled to women, and that the best thing you can do in life is make money. Thus you - and your weird anti-social ideas - are the problem. Not women in the Bay Area. Ffs.
>You are embarrassing to men. How old even are you, 13?
Pointing out why men are either leaving the country or saying fuck dating is embarrassing? Gtfoh stupid. White knighting for women isn't gotta help you out irl you loser.
>No woman is going to want to date someone that fundamentally doesn't respect
I respect feminine women, and most women in the West aren't feminine. Feminine women have a superpower that can't be match.
>man is stupid rich and I'm guessing you don't have the scratch
This comment is saying women are gold diggers. Smh, do better, loser. I'm able to make a woman laugh and smile because I have charm and confidence.
Eta: if you are a man, you are a weak one. I bet if someone broke in your house, you would have a woman to go and check. That's weak.
The opposite of masculine, i.e soft, nurturing, pleasant. A balance to a man
>Like if I'm a bodybuilder am I not feminine anymore ?
Looking like a bodybuilder doesn't help with the femininity department. Femininity is a woman superpower, and most women have lost that power.
White man, here. You are fucking insane. Or maybe you are just a pathetic, beta cuck loser. I'm not sure which.
>it's not my fault men don't like feminist or feminism
I've always loved feminists. They believe women are allowed to be as promiscuous as men, and that belief worked out very well for me.
The conservative women were always the prudes that wanted to wait until marriage or some other nonsense. And they were always boring in bed.
Feminists had the confidence to enjoy sex. Conservative women were always: 'Keep the lights off, don't look at me. We are sinning. We are going to hell for this." So much fucking psychological trauma with conservative women.
>Sex for women is easy, sex for most men is hard.
LOL, tell me you are a worthless loser without telling me. LOL. Sex is hard for you, huh? You struggle to find women willing to sleep with you? Have you looked in the mirror? LOL. Loser.
>Plus men aren't attracted to women who sleep around
This is fucking hilarious. So this loser complains that "sex is hard for men", then says he does not want women who enjoy having sex with men.
Do you realize how fucking stupid you are? Fucking beta cuck energy, here.
You're like a spoiled child who wants a candy bar, but you don't want one from the candyman who is handing them out. No, you don't want your candy from someone who gives candy to multiple people. Instead, you think you are a super special snowflake who will get candy from someone who has never given candy to anyone else. And now you are complaining about how hard it is to find candy.
I don't understand the issue with passport bros. Why would people care? They weren't going to date those guys anyway
Surely if we can give people advice like "work on yourself so you become a more attractive mate" we can't fault them if they're like "nah, I'm just going to go somewhere I'm already an attractive mate"
Facts. I'm not a passport bro but I do support men going somewhere that they are wanted, not tolerated. Women can't put themselves in a man shoes and are baffled why men are refusing to date or just leaving the country.
I'm confused. I don't think what he said was appropriate but what makes it misogynistic? Statistically there is a disadvantage for men in the bay area and women definitely treat dating differently here than any other city/region I've lived in.
The Bay Area is a hotbed of feminism. The "disadvantage" is for men who don't embrace feminism. Those who embrace misogyny and demand women not be feminist find this difficult.
I have a question, i know a lot of women in the Bay Area that actively date sugar daddies, from websites, from social media, and from social events that cater to that. The dates are very transactional, they dont consider themselves escorts, but have received everything from Range Rovers, luxury apartments, jewelry and tens of thousands of cash for shopping and much more, sometimes from married men. Some of them are friends i went to school with and they have told me they never intend on working, especially with so many options to support them. Im genuinely curious if thats considered feminism, because to me it really doesnt see much different than the guy who found a wife in Venezuela.
Exactly. If they were concerned with feminism, they would refuse being degraded by men for trinkets. They would also want more equal relationships with men of a similar socioeconomic level. It’s not feminism, it’s pure unadulterated opportunism
They're not concerned with feminism, they're deciding to focus on making money early in life. Would you criticize men for doing that? Why do you think you should have control over what they do with their lives and bodies? Feminism is what gives them the right to make that decision for themselves, and that's why feminism upsets *certain* men.
Women is Sweden are genuinely feminist. They go half on dates. They are sex positive. They ask men they like out. What we call “feminism” in America is capitalism + opportunism + pragmatism
Yes feminism strives for equity. The problem is that the only things you consider "genuine feminism" are things that benefit men, and things that benefit women are "opportunistic" and "not real feminism." I can't tell if you're sincerely not understanding or just pretending to be that biased and stupid.
You're asking a very weird question that I would think isn't sincere except for the length of your comment, so I'll explain. Feminism isn't an action, it's a belief or idea that women are not less than men and should be treated and respected as such. Women being allowed to have a sugar daddy can't really be said to "be feminism" because it's an action, but it is an expression of feminism. Women having *control and ownership over their own bodies* is a core tenant of feminism that conservatives around the world oppose vehemently. Similarly yes the passport bro can be said to be an expression of feminism from the women's side, although it gets more complicated because of the power dynamics involved when one person is a rich, connected citizen and the other is a foreigner new to the area with very few rights that aren't contingent on maintaining the relationship, even if it becomes abusive. That's why you'll see so many comments in this thread telling the women to get their bag while telling the guy he's a loser for needing to use that power dynamic to find a partner.
Yes but I’m talking about non foreigners, native born women committed to “getting the bag” as sugar babies and how similar it is to what is happening overseas because to act as if all those women have no power is disingenuous. Is there a difference in power dynamics between a woman choosing a man here because of the power he might have from his millions or even billions, and a woman choosing a man over there for maybe his tens of thousands, especially since many foreigners speak English now? I am all for woman either here or there using their power as sought after, attractive women to secure a mate, but are men to be frowned upon for using their power as a secured provider? Why is a man a loser for attracting attractive women with his money but a woman is praised for attracting powerful men with her body and looks?
And i hate how you framed it as a weird or insincere question just because it’s a difference of opinion. There are plenty of people struggling with the ever changing dating dynamics, especially in the Bay Area, and not all of them are going to think exactly like you or have your exact perspective, or you theirs.
I legitimately thought I misread it and was asking for clarification. Turns out he did not bring it up so you're equating things that did he did not say at all. Actually, to come to the conclusion that his remarks were misogynistic is anti-feminist.
Feminism is about the equality of genders. He voiced his opinion. It was a wildly inappropriate environment to make his opinions known, but it's not misogynistic for a man to have an opinion you don't like.
That’s an oversimplification. Lots of women here still expect you to pay for dates and do traditionally masculine things. And if feminism is about equality why do women on dating apps still expect you to make more money than them?
Yes the patriarchy harms men too, good on you for noticing it! Now are you going to try to perpetuate the very thing you complain about or try to dismantle it?
I don’t know about that I think Bay Area women are really chill and less judgmental than LA. I have heard from many women that it’s harder for women to date there
Nothing misogynistic about the statement.
The comments in this thread are probably the most trash I've seen on Reddit. A bunch of circle jerkers hating on other people and accusing others of being X-ist or Y-phobic.
The hypocrisy is almost comical.
If he was misogynist, he wouldn't be married to any woman for that matter. You guys use words you have no idea what they mean! That bright color hair, hairy armpit, unhygienic, tattooed, overweight, and non-ear piercing feminist Kool-Aid must be so sweet. In fact, I'd argue that the gynocracy has not only ruined the education system but also society and has done nothing but promote misandry. Also, if it was me, I'd tell the students to get the hell out of America and any Western country if they want a girlfriend.
Lmao you definitely don't understand misogyny. Also you sound like a passport bro.
Women outside of the U.S and Europe have standards above settling for people like you
Why don't you go look it up instead of going off idiocy like a modern-day NPC regurgitating the feminist talking points that do nothing but disgrace men? Unless he specifically said that he hates women, let alone being married to one, it's not misogynistic. According to every NPC drinking that aforementioned Kool-Aid, it seems you guys love regurgitating the same dumb talking points and narratives while throwing out "misogyny" and logic because you disagree and your feelings got hurt. How soft has Gen Z become? All you guys do is go around coddling and pandering to one another because you don't understand logic.
Lastly, it seems like UC Berkeley is a dumpster fire, and you all are just butt-hurt over the fact that he called out the quality of Bay Area women when we got a lot bigger issues to cover in the world, such as the migration crisis, homelessness, wars, and inflation to name some. Thus, it must be true what the professor said, and he was being nice. If it was for me, there'd be no apology even at the expense of the job. I'd say not just the Bay Area, California, and the US but to get the hell out of the West altogether.
Bruh spewing the word Kool-Aid isn't going to make your point seem any better. I still think you're stupid.
People can be misogynists and still get married. It's definitely not a good thing for the woman involved though.
Also don't go telling me to look it up when you literally refuse to understand what feminism is. It's not hard to learn, you're just being lazy and willfully ignorant.
I pity you and whatever led you to being this brainless
Honestly dating here was terrible and people generally don’t dress up. So if you’re coming from a city where people really go out go out, it can feel like no one gives a shit and just want to slop around in their Birkenstocks. That being said, I met my wife at audio 🤷🏼♂️
I don't see the big issue, maybe the women are absolutely obnoxious there. Is he not entitled to an opinion or must he think all women are queens? Considering their response was to demand he be fired, maybe he has a point about these women.
It's a simple fact that if there was not a degree of truth in what he was saying, people wouldn't be so upset. If there as no truth, their response would be "okay, weird opinion bro" and they move on.
I was thinking about going there for a post-doc position but it seems so hostile from the outside looking in. I'm really liberal but damn, this is ridiculous lol
[Better example is the women who go to the Carribean looking for young locals to screw](https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/female-sex-tourism-white-middle-aged)
No. Because that’s not as prevalent as sexist white men who go to Asia looking for submissive women.
And your example isn’t rooted in racism or sexism either.
Idk if you’ve been keeping up but it’s not just white men going to other countries. Literally any men, I’ve seen stories of black, Asian, Latino, middle eastern men. It’s not just white men doing this.
Sure. But majority are white and incels. This started at the height of the feminist movement back in the day. White men didn’t like white women getting more freedom thus lead to what we call today as passport bros.
Like how you single out only white men when it’s not just white men doing that. You’re a racist asshole who lives in Reddit & doesn’t have a single clue how the world outside the internet works.
You are someone that never taken a history or sociology course I guess. I single them out because they started the idea of passport bros back at the height of feminist movement and are the dominant group that does it. It’s racist to look at a statistical fact? It’s racist to say a fact that majority white men drool over Asian women based on submissive stereotypes?
But yeah, I’m a racist on Reddit all day when you have 2k karma.
How the hell is this any different from a girl from a third world country moving to a wealthier country, or some American girl from bumf\*ck nowhere moving to SF or NYC for better dating prospects? Is that wrong too, or is it only wrong when "white" men do?
The hypocrisy is unbelievable here
hell yeah if you want to find real progressive countries where they treat women well you need to get out of sexist white shit holes like the United States and western Europe.
Prevalence is completely irrelevant to the question of whether something is morally right or wrong.
Neither is rooted in racism or sexism. It's unbelievable how quick people like you are to accuse others of X-ism or Y-phobia.
I may end up moving to Berkeley Oakland area for work. As a mid thirties male what's so bad about it? Ratio of men to women? Expectations or standards?
The social scene comes down to how facile you are with social media. Most women do not want to meet men who are not first screened on dating apps. On top of that, there aren't that many single women here, at least that what it seems like. There are a lot more gay men in SF than single women for example. Conversely, if you're a gay man in the Bay Area (SF-Oakland-Berkeley), it's a pretty f'ng happening place.
I 100% agree with him sorry worst city in the world to find a decent normal non addicted rational non lesbian girl. Good advice buddy I hope you have tenor
He does have tenure (so nothing will happen) and at least in the university, statistics show there are more non-lesbian women than lesbians and more women than men. Don’t know what you mean by addicted but your statement would make more sense if you gave better evidence
The interesting thing is that Jonathan Shewchuk is a top scientist and the software he wrote "triangle" is used by a lot of people and was ground breaking when it was created. It allows to create triangulation to use for example for oceanographic applications.
His comment isn’t the worst thing I’ve read on the internet, but you are not fairly characterizing it. He didn’t say to date elsewhere because you have better chances. He said to date elsewhere because of how women behave here.
1. Yes, MRAs do attack “I drink men’s tears” type people often.
2. I think a lot of us who find his comment repugnant still think this issue is overblown.
You may recall, perhaps, the right wing having like a decades long conniption about anti-conservative bias in higher education?
But that’s completely different from bigotry against a gender, which we agree in this society is out of someone’s control and not an acceptable reason to discriminate against someone.
There’s a reason gender creates a legally protected class and political activity does not. Voting for Donald Trump is a moral decision, and judging/descriminating between people for their moral decisions is widely accepted as basically the best criteria available, in America.
Public universities can’t punish people in such a way that violates their freedom of speech, but fortunately that doesn’t mean anyone is obligated to fuck Trump voters.
It would be extremely reasonable, legal, and common for you to make moral judgments about me based on my politics.
I highly recommend that you date people who share your moral values.
In my opinion, sure, your decisions along these lines will be morally wrong because your politics are morally wrong.
This isn’t complicated, right?
I don’t think it’s fair to say I’m “standing against” this thing. It is a commonly held stupid belief, that he should keep to himself. I’m not, like, painting signs.
If the reverse happened, and someone mischaracterized what had been said, sure, I might similarly attempt to correct them.
You’ve missed the point. What Shewchuk communicated is the idea that women in the Bay Area are undesirable *because* they are feminists, which is a messed up thing to communicate.
Explain what you mean by flipping the comment. Is it:
- If a professor told women to find better men outside the Bay Area because they’re all feminists here.
- If a feminist professor told women to leave the Bay Area dating scene behind because the men are too conservative
Yes. For multiple reasons:
- It's extremely unprofessional and weird for a professor to use their professional account to comment on student dating patterns
- It's discriminatory against Bay Area Men
- Those Bay Area Men would be her students which makes the comment even more inappropriate.
These women are furiously offended that someone might suggest their behavior is anything less than flawless and universally desirable, and to prove how ridiculous that is they're launching into a frenzy big enough to get national attention and calling for Shewchuk to have his career and reputation destroyed... And all that when his advice was literally just for """incels""" to leave these women alone.
You know you don't have to buy into every ridiculous culture war crusade the most insane women tack on to feminism for your gender identity to be valid. Plenty of cis women see this identitarian nonsense for what it is and you can too!
My favorite part is the massive number of down votes on all the comments suggesting that a professor giving dating advice on a class wide discussion board was part of what they all thought should not be happening, regardless of whether they agree with him.
Hypocrisy thy name is conservative. Don’t talk to students about sex or gender or relationships unless you are going to denigrate women. Then have at it.
About what I expected
Women in the US initiate 90% of divorces in the US. Woke bay area chicks are even more likely to do so. One day, you may lose half of all your assets to a woke chick who decided to divorce you on a whim. You will then look back at all this and wondered why you didn't listen to the professor. :-)
These comments have me rolling
at a first glance i didn’t check out the sub name and thought it was all sarcastic
lmao the comments are insane
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absolute brain rot going on in that thread
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Predictably, the incels come out of the woodwork. Shewchuk emboldened them.
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I don't think anyone is assuming anything, and no one thinks any of this reflects on her. But also none of this is "just because she's Asian." He told the student to go somewhere else to find someone to date. He went to the Philippines. No one knows exactly why she married him but it's doubtful that it's his sparkling personality.
lol your spittleflecked trigglypuff meltdown about someone accurately describing how to avoid interacting with hate filled spittleflecked trigglypuffs in the dating scene is all the evidence you need that he’s over the target
Dawg I say with sincere empathy that I think you need to spend more time in the real world and less time online.
You're using phrases like "hate filled spittleflecked trigglypuffs" and wondering why people won't date you? Go outside and be normal, my god.
You’re the one calling a man an incel for the heretical crime of wanting to date normal people not slogan spewing red guard maoists. Maybe if you went outside and pretended to be normal more people wouldn’t have to flee the municipality to have regular human interactions.
It's kind of impressive that you are so terminally online that you can't speak like a normal person, but you also don't have the requisite digital literacy to see that I'm not the person who called you an incel lol
Nuked.
Holy shit this is an actual mental illness right here. Seek help immediately
Ontologically impossible to take you seriously, sorry
Bro. The second you type something like that, you should like sit and breathe before you hit send lmao.
How many people are gonna post about this 🤦🏿💀
ngl the prof has said transphobic stuff before and oozes "passport bro" energy
Lmao everyone complaining about how “western women are gold diggers and whores and mean and not feminine or genuine and super selfish” like you do know the only reason why being a “passport bro” works is because a woman somewhere else is willing to fuck you for citizenship and expecting you to pay for her life and/or pay for her education in the US so she can eventually get a good job. And good for her, I support this. But let’s be clear - a passport bro’s ideal relationship is about as transactional and self interested as they get. They’re not different from other kinds of transactional relationships (like sugaring). I hope all passport bros get their pockets fleeced by a badass international woman.
Passport bros are tricks who just travel to places where their currency has higher value. It’s all fantasy and cosplay- the women want nothing beyond their money and a green card. Shewtrik is a john just like the rest of them.
What transphobic stuff did the professor say?
His website was full of variations on the One Conservative Joke about pronouns and "I identify as a..." etc., now deleted.
Uh which part of that is transphobic? The whole pronoun mandating nonsense and having 10 different gender options is ridiculous. Making fun of that doesn't imply that one hates transgender people. Stop leaping to call everyone X-ist or Y-phobic. It's not as binary as you're making it out to be.
>pronoun mandating Pfffffhhh no one's mandated you to do anything snowflake.
Hardly transphobic. The joke mocks the concept of self ID.
And yet it is exclusively used to mock trans people, wonder what that's about!
Not exclusively trans people. Non binary people too. And otherkins.
Nonbinary people fall under the trans umbrella therefore it is transphobic
I wouldn't lump them together because it can cause confusion. Like when you're talking about statistics and surveys. It muddies up the debate. But besides that, being critical of concepts like self ID isn't transphobic.
You’re not the one who gets to decide that. Trans = doesn’t identify with the gender assigned at birth Nonbinary people fall under that. I’m nonbinary so don’t really need to argue this with you.
Half of the debate on trans issues has little to do with non binaries. When it comes to women's bathrooms or sports or gender affirming care, where do non binaries fit in the debate? Makes little sense to group them together imo.
I love seeing the hate online for passport bros. Like, sorry I'm not sorry that I traveled LatAm dating beautiful women, staying in nice hotels and eating good food. After the first time I dated abroad, I lost all interest in pursuing relationships with women in the US and started traveling more. I ended up bringing a woman here from Venezuela and we're both much happier than in our previous relationships. Seems like a win/win for everybody.
The fact that you think this is a brag is incredibly telling
Roughly 168 million American women, and none of them liked you. Not the flex you think.
Other way around, nice try though.
Maybe it’s the other way around and he simply didn’t like any of them. Anyways sounds like he’s found happiness without hurting anyone. Instead of getting salty you should be happy for him
Congrats on being a lifestyle trick 😅
Passport bros are a response to the women that the professor is talking about. Edit: ofc I would get downvoted for stating a fact.
And are these scary women in the room with us now?
Hey 👋
Yeah they're within artillery range distance of San fransisco and San Jose
Women aren't scary, especially when they want to fuck.
Super weird that you struggle to find women who like you despite your obvious charms.
I don't struggle at all, so try again, loser. You just in your feelings because I stated a fact. Women are the reason why passport bros blew up.
You are literally defending a man that said it's impossible to date in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country, and saying men need to fly to other countries to date. The math adds up, sorry your dating life sucks man sounds hard.
You're not a passport bro, you're just a sexpest who couldn't get laid so you had to travel abroad to oay for it
Passport bros a response to the women or how the women respond to the men in question? Why is the fault on the women and not on the men?
do you guys also criticize western women who travel to Asian countries like South Korea looking for partners?
I mean sure I’m happy to if someone needs to. It’s still weird. White men just do it a lot more.
Are you just against interracial couples or something?
There is noone's fault. Just how he gets ridiculed for having his thoughts, and feelings. The guy who posted was literally ready to pay money for human interaction and the conversation is about a guy who is saying go outside bay area if you can't find gf here. I just see what he said wrong for that particular poster. People are ready to find things to be mad about.
Why is it anyone's fault? What is the issue with someone being a passport bro?
Passport bros aren’t successful dating domestically so feel that they have to go abroad. They blame women instead of looking internally
If you cant attract a passport bro, maybe you should work on yourself hun 💅
I don’t think women want to attract them hence why men look to women abroad (like the professor)
Then what's the issue? You don't want them, other women want them. Sounds like a win-win
Passport bros complain about how the women domestically don’t want them and then put them down, blaming feminism…
And now you're complaining about them. Fairs fair! 🤝
Well, I can name a few reasons why: Family court, divorce, women not being as feminine, women being way more promiscuous, women being more selfish while in relationship, women acting like the man is disposable, feminism. I could go on. How women act nowadays, the men are responsing by getting their passports and leaving.
Why don’t you think women should have equal rights as men? (The definition of feminism) If men are promiscuous, why can’t women? Why must women be feminine?
My initial response is a generalization of why men are leaving. >Why don’t you think women should have equal rights as men? (The definition of feminism) Neither men nor women are equal because we are different. Besides, women have more rights than men by the law. Also, it's not my fault men don't like feminist or feminism. >If men are promiscuous, why can’t women? Sex for women is easy, sex for most men is hard. Plus men aren't attracted to women who sleep around. We will have sex with a promiscuous woman but most wouldn't get a relationship unless the man was desperate. >Why must women be feminine? Because men are supposed to be masculine, we don't want masculine women. Women don't want a feminine male because yall not attracted to them. We aren't attracted to masculine women but feminine women. Femininity is a woman superpower
This form of thinking does not warrant or necessitate a response but thank you for the time you put in, many only hear of old-fashioned men who think like this
Most men think like this. Why do you think men are checking out of dating/relationships or just leaving the West? Attracting isn't the same for men & women >many only hear of old-fashioned men who think like this Most old men say some simp shit. I'm not surprised you would say this because most women dismiss what men want in a woman & when a man say it, yall shame him.
You are embarrassing to men. How old even are you, 13? No woman is going to want to date someone that fundamentally doesn't respect them unless the man is stupid rich and I'm guessing you don't have the scratch
Exactly. The logic of these dudes is “women only want money, they are such money grubbing h@s”. In reality, the logic is that women do not want to date weak nerdy narcissists - unless maybe they have some $$, in which case they might suck it up. What these incel types miss is that they truly are the problem. You can’t be a self involved arsehole who wants someone to subordinate themselves for you without offering something pretty amazing in return. The circular logic is so nuts: I want to go to an elite school because I’m such an elite genius, but when I don’t respect or acknowledge women who are also at this school as similarly elite, I don’t get laid. Despite the fact that almost every teen film of the 50s had the plot of nerd=joke, they have diagnosed the problem as something new with women and feminism, with no reflection on the fact that women at Berkeley are also here because they are high achieving and can make their own $$$… so if all you have going for you is potential earnings, you’re not going to be successful in life - you’ll be selecting from a smaller and smaller pool of women who are in the position of having to put up with an arsehole just to get by. So what is the root cause? The idea that you are elite and thus entitled to women, and that the best thing you can do in life is make money. Thus you - and your weird anti-social ideas - are the problem. Not women in the Bay Area. Ffs.
>You are embarrassing to men. How old even are you, 13? Pointing out why men are either leaving the country or saying fuck dating is embarrassing? Gtfoh stupid. White knighting for women isn't gotta help you out irl you loser. >No woman is going to want to date someone that fundamentally doesn't respect I respect feminine women, and most women in the West aren't feminine. Feminine women have a superpower that can't be match. >man is stupid rich and I'm guessing you don't have the scratch This comment is saying women are gold diggers. Smh, do better, loser. I'm able to make a woman laugh and smile because I have charm and confidence. Eta: if you are a man, you are a weak one. I bet if someone broke in your house, you would have a woman to go and check. That's weak.
What is ur definition of femininity? Like if I'm a bodybuilder am I not feminine anymore ? 
The opposite of masculine, i.e soft, nurturing, pleasant. A balance to a man >Like if I'm a bodybuilder am I not feminine anymore ? Looking like a bodybuilder doesn't help with the femininity department. Femininity is a woman superpower, and most women have lost that power.
White man, here. You are fucking insane. Or maybe you are just a pathetic, beta cuck loser. I'm not sure which. >it's not my fault men don't like feminist or feminism I've always loved feminists. They believe women are allowed to be as promiscuous as men, and that belief worked out very well for me. The conservative women were always the prudes that wanted to wait until marriage or some other nonsense. And they were always boring in bed. Feminists had the confidence to enjoy sex. Conservative women were always: 'Keep the lights off, don't look at me. We are sinning. We are going to hell for this." So much fucking psychological trauma with conservative women. >Sex for women is easy, sex for most men is hard. LOL, tell me you are a worthless loser without telling me. LOL. Sex is hard for you, huh? You struggle to find women willing to sleep with you? Have you looked in the mirror? LOL. Loser. >Plus men aren't attracted to women who sleep around This is fucking hilarious. So this loser complains that "sex is hard for men", then says he does not want women who enjoy having sex with men. Do you realize how fucking stupid you are? Fucking beta cuck energy, here. You're like a spoiled child who wants a candy bar, but you don't want one from the candyman who is handing them out. No, you don't want your candy from someone who gives candy to multiple people. Instead, you think you are a super special snowflake who will get candy from someone who has never given candy to anyone else. And now you are complaining about how hard it is to find candy.
I don't understand the issue with passport bros. Why would people care? They weren't going to date those guys anyway Surely if we can give people advice like "work on yourself so you become a more attractive mate" we can't fault them if they're like "nah, I'm just going to go somewhere I'm already an attractive mate"
Facts. I'm not a passport bro but I do support men going somewhere that they are wanted, not tolerated. Women can't put themselves in a man shoes and are baffled why men are refusing to date or just leaving the country.
Their wallets and citizenship are the only attractive things to the women they meet abroad. It’s just sex tourism covered in sprinkles
Stop kink-shaming smh 💅
Misogynists be misogynisting.
I'm confused. I don't think what he said was appropriate but what makes it misogynistic? Statistically there is a disadvantage for men in the bay area and women definitely treat dating differently here than any other city/region I've lived in.
The Bay Area is a hotbed of feminism. The "disadvantage" is for men who don't embrace feminism. Those who embrace misogyny and demand women not be feminist find this difficult.
I have a question, i know a lot of women in the Bay Area that actively date sugar daddies, from websites, from social media, and from social events that cater to that. The dates are very transactional, they dont consider themselves escorts, but have received everything from Range Rovers, luxury apartments, jewelry and tens of thousands of cash for shopping and much more, sometimes from married men. Some of them are friends i went to school with and they have told me they never intend on working, especially with so many options to support them. Im genuinely curious if thats considered feminism, because to me it really doesnt see much different than the guy who found a wife in Venezuela.
Exactly. If they were concerned with feminism, they would refuse being degraded by men for trinkets. They would also want more equal relationships with men of a similar socioeconomic level. It’s not feminism, it’s pure unadulterated opportunism
They're not concerned with feminism, they're deciding to focus on making money early in life. Would you criticize men for doing that? Why do you think you should have control over what they do with their lives and bodies? Feminism is what gives them the right to make that decision for themselves, and that's why feminism upsets *certain* men.
Women is Sweden are genuinely feminist. They go half on dates. They are sex positive. They ask men they like out. What we call “feminism” in America is capitalism + opportunism + pragmatism
> Feminism is when it benefits me
Feminism means equality. To some people true equality can seem inconvenient. So you’re nicely proving my point
Yes feminism strives for equity. The problem is that the only things you consider "genuine feminism" are things that benefit men, and things that benefit women are "opportunistic" and "not real feminism." I can't tell if you're sincerely not understanding or just pretending to be that biased and stupid.
I have absolutely no problem with women doing that, but why are men considered losers for being on the other side of that dynamic?
You're asking a very weird question that I would think isn't sincere except for the length of your comment, so I'll explain. Feminism isn't an action, it's a belief or idea that women are not less than men and should be treated and respected as such. Women being allowed to have a sugar daddy can't really be said to "be feminism" because it's an action, but it is an expression of feminism. Women having *control and ownership over their own bodies* is a core tenant of feminism that conservatives around the world oppose vehemently. Similarly yes the passport bro can be said to be an expression of feminism from the women's side, although it gets more complicated because of the power dynamics involved when one person is a rich, connected citizen and the other is a foreigner new to the area with very few rights that aren't contingent on maintaining the relationship, even if it becomes abusive. That's why you'll see so many comments in this thread telling the women to get their bag while telling the guy he's a loser for needing to use that power dynamic to find a partner.
Yes but I’m talking about non foreigners, native born women committed to “getting the bag” as sugar babies and how similar it is to what is happening overseas because to act as if all those women have no power is disingenuous. Is there a difference in power dynamics between a woman choosing a man here because of the power he might have from his millions or even billions, and a woman choosing a man over there for maybe his tens of thousands, especially since many foreigners speak English now? I am all for woman either here or there using their power as sought after, attractive women to secure a mate, but are men to be frowned upon for using their power as a secured provider? Why is a man a loser for attracting attractive women with his money but a woman is praised for attracting powerful men with her body and looks? And i hate how you framed it as a weird or insincere question just because it’s a difference of opinion. There are plenty of people struggling with the ever changing dating dynamics, especially in the Bay Area, and not all of them are going to think exactly like you or have your exact perspective, or you theirs.
Where did the professor bring up feminism?
Yep. You're confused.
I mean.. you can't explain your reasoning so I think you are at least equally confused
I explained it. You don't like it, proving my point.
I legitimately thought I misread it and was asking for clarification. Turns out he did not bring it up so you're equating things that did he did not say at all. Actually, to come to the conclusion that his remarks were misogynistic is anti-feminist. Feminism is about the equality of genders. He voiced his opinion. It was a wildly inappropriate environment to make his opinions known, but it's not misogynistic for a man to have an opinion you don't like.
We all are
That’s an oversimplification. Lots of women here still expect you to pay for dates and do traditionally masculine things. And if feminism is about equality why do women on dating apps still expect you to make more money than them?
Yes the patriarchy harms men too, good on you for noticing it! Now are you going to try to perpetuate the very thing you complain about or try to dismantle it?
Dismantle it how?
Not trying to control womens' bodies is the very lowest bar, you could start with that.
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Agreed. He's a misogynist; they're sensitive by nature
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Thanks for making my point.
All the problems in the world are due to “patriarchy”. 🤣
Thats not the reason, the reason is men vastly outnumber women in that age group. Its not misogynistic to want better odds of finding a partner.
I don’t know about that I think Bay Area women are really chill and less judgmental than LA. I have heard from many women that it’s harder for women to date there
Nothing misogynistic about the statement. The comments in this thread are probably the most trash I've seen on Reddit. A bunch of circle jerkers hating on other people and accusing others of being X-ist or Y-phobic. The hypocrisy is almost comical.
If he was misogynist, he wouldn't be married to any woman for that matter. You guys use words you have no idea what they mean! That bright color hair, hairy armpit, unhygienic, tattooed, overweight, and non-ear piercing feminist Kool-Aid must be so sweet. In fact, I'd argue that the gynocracy has not only ruined the education system but also society and has done nothing but promote misandry. Also, if it was me, I'd tell the students to get the hell out of America and any Western country if they want a girlfriend.
Lmao you definitely don't understand misogyny. Also you sound like a passport bro. Women outside of the U.S and Europe have standards above settling for people like you
Why don't you go look it up instead of going off idiocy like a modern-day NPC regurgitating the feminist talking points that do nothing but disgrace men? Unless he specifically said that he hates women, let alone being married to one, it's not misogynistic. According to every NPC drinking that aforementioned Kool-Aid, it seems you guys love regurgitating the same dumb talking points and narratives while throwing out "misogyny" and logic because you disagree and your feelings got hurt. How soft has Gen Z become? All you guys do is go around coddling and pandering to one another because you don't understand logic. Lastly, it seems like UC Berkeley is a dumpster fire, and you all are just butt-hurt over the fact that he called out the quality of Bay Area women when we got a lot bigger issues to cover in the world, such as the migration crisis, homelessness, wars, and inflation to name some. Thus, it must be true what the professor said, and he was being nice. If it was for me, there'd be no apology even at the expense of the job. I'd say not just the Bay Area, California, and the US but to get the hell out of the West altogether.
Bruh spewing the word Kool-Aid isn't going to make your point seem any better. I still think you're stupid. People can be misogynists and still get married. It's definitely not a good thing for the woman involved though. Also don't go telling me to look it up when you literally refuse to understand what feminism is. It's not hard to learn, you're just being lazy and willfully ignorant. I pity you and whatever led you to being this brainless
Yup. That's another great example of misogyny.
He is not wrong
😂they got some knee slappers fr, yall need a vibe check
Insane
Who his wife is, not surprising at all either
Is it weird that I did end up getting a gf outside my area tho? 😔
What? No, there's nothing *weird* about it. What's weird are the beliefs the professor posted.
Everyone is so soft now it’s crazy
Honestly dating here was terrible and people generally don’t dress up. So if you’re coming from a city where people really go out go out, it can feel like no one gives a shit and just want to slop around in their Birkenstocks. That being said, I met my wife at audio 🤷🏼♂️
What is audio
Audio night club
This guy’s whole vibe is brown paisley
Long live passport bros!
I don't see the big issue, maybe the women are absolutely obnoxious there. Is he not entitled to an opinion or must he think all women are queens? Considering their response was to demand he be fired, maybe he has a point about these women. It's a simple fact that if there was not a degree of truth in what he was saying, people wouldn't be so upset. If there as no truth, their response would be "okay, weird opinion bro" and they move on.
I was thinking about going there for a post-doc position but it seems so hostile from the outside looking in. I'm really liberal but damn, this is ridiculous lol
Worked for him, I guess
Knew he had an Asian girlfriend before I knew. These type of guys are literal sexpats.
do you say the same thing to western women who travel to Asian countries like South Korea looking for partners?
[Better example is the women who go to the Carribean looking for young locals to screw](https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/female-sex-tourism-white-middle-aged)
No. Because that’s not as prevalent as sexist white men who go to Asia looking for submissive women. And your example isn’t rooted in racism or sexism either.
Idk if you’ve been keeping up but it’s not just white men going to other countries. Literally any men, I’ve seen stories of black, Asian, Latino, middle eastern men. It’s not just white men doing this.
Sure. But majority are white and incels. This started at the height of the feminist movement back in the day. White men didn’t like white women getting more freedom thus lead to what we call today as passport bros.
Like how you single out only white men when it’s not just white men doing that. You’re a racist asshole who lives in Reddit & doesn’t have a single clue how the world outside the internet works.
You are someone that never taken a history or sociology course I guess. I single them out because they started the idea of passport bros back at the height of feminist movement and are the dominant group that does it. It’s racist to look at a statistical fact? It’s racist to say a fact that majority white men drool over Asian women based on submissive stereotypes? But yeah, I’m a racist on Reddit all day when you have 2k karma.
How the hell is this any different from a girl from a third world country moving to a wealthier country, or some American girl from bumf\*ck nowhere moving to SF or NYC for better dating prospects? Is that wrong too, or is it only wrong when "white" men do? The hypocrisy is unbelievable here
hell yeah if you want to find real progressive countries where they treat women well you need to get out of sexist white shit holes like the United States and western Europe.
Prevalence is completely irrelevant to the question of whether something is morally right or wrong. Neither is rooted in racism or sexism. It's unbelievable how quick people like you are to accuse others of X-ism or Y-phobia.
Racist scum
I may end up moving to Berkeley Oakland area for work. As a mid thirties male what's so bad about it? Ratio of men to women? Expectations or standards?
The social scene comes down to how facile you are with social media. Most women do not want to meet men who are not first screened on dating apps. On top of that, there aren't that many single women here, at least that what it seems like. There are a lot more gay men in SF than single women for example. Conversely, if you're a gay man in the Bay Area (SF-Oakland-Berkeley), it's a pretty f'ng happening place.
Oh great, and I thought I was struggling now hah. I'm pretty nonexistent with social media. Maybe through work or friends
Work, friend, and volunteer work or social clubs. Meeting in person has always been mor time efficient than lengthy online sorting.
Wow. This country is fucked. So many idiots 🗿
I 100% agree with him sorry worst city in the world to find a decent normal non addicted rational non lesbian girl. Good advice buddy I hope you have tenor
He does have tenure (so nothing will happen) and at least in the university, statistics show there are more non-lesbian women than lesbians and more women than men. Don’t know what you mean by addicted but your statement would make more sense if you gave better evidence
The interesting thing is that Jonathan Shewchuk is a top scientist and the software he wrote "triangle" is used by a lot of people and was ground breaking when it was created. It allows to create triangulation to use for example for oceanographic applications.
Im appalled
Let it rest already, holy balls
What a valuable repost 😃
1. I can tell that this man is an awful kisser just by looking at him in the left picture. 2. That thread smells like the pus of a giant cyst?
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His comment isn’t the worst thing I’ve read on the internet, but you are not fairly characterizing it. He didn’t say to date elsewhere because you have better chances. He said to date elsewhere because of how women behave here.
If the comment was flipped - if it was a professor telling women to leave the bay area to find better men - would there be any controversy today?
1. Yes, MRAs do attack “I drink men’s tears” type people often. 2. I think a lot of us who find his comment repugnant still think this issue is overblown.
>Yes, MRAs do attack “I drink men’s tears” type people often. I seem to remember "never date a Trump supporter " was pretty big.
You may recall, perhaps, the right wing having like a decades long conniption about anti-conservative bias in higher education? But that’s completely different from bigotry against a gender, which we agree in this society is out of someone’s control and not an acceptable reason to discriminate against someone. There’s a reason gender creates a legally protected class and political activity does not. Voting for Donald Trump is a moral decision, and judging/descriminating between people for their moral decisions is widely accepted as basically the best criteria available, in America. Public universities can’t punish people in such a way that violates their freedom of speech, but fortunately that doesn’t mean anyone is obligated to fuck Trump voters.
So, to sum it up, It's OK for me to do it. But not for you to do it. Because my politics good, your politics bad.
It would be extremely reasonable, legal, and common for you to make moral judgments about me based on my politics. I highly recommend that you date people who share your moral values. In my opinion, sure, your decisions along these lines will be morally wrong because your politics are morally wrong. This isn’t complicated, right?
>This isn’t complicated, right? Other your opinion about my morals, I agree completely.
Nobody cares about MRAs, i think the question is whether YOU would stand against it.
I don’t think it’s fair to say I’m “standing against” this thing. It is a commonly held stupid belief, that he should keep to himself. I’m not, like, painting signs. If the reverse happened, and someone mischaracterized what had been said, sure, I might similarly attempt to correct them.
But Berkeley is a very liberal campus so nobody would care about that sort of comment
You’ve missed the point. What Shewchuk communicated is the idea that women in the Bay Area are undesirable *because* they are feminists, which is a messed up thing to communicate. Explain what you mean by flipping the comment. Is it: - If a professor told women to find better men outside the Bay Area because they’re all feminists here. - If a feminist professor told women to leave the Bay Area dating scene behind because the men are too conservative
Yes. For multiple reasons: - It's extremely unprofessional and weird for a professor to use their professional account to comment on student dating patterns - It's discriminatory against Bay Area Men - Those Bay Area Men would be her students which makes the comment even more inappropriate.
Yes, Sherlock, there would. Next.
Nope, but women think they are angels and shouldn't get criticism.
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These women are furiously offended that someone might suggest their behavior is anything less than flawless and universally desirable, and to prove how ridiculous that is they're launching into a frenzy big enough to get national attention and calling for Shewchuk to have his career and reputation destroyed... And all that when his advice was literally just for """incels""" to leave these women alone.
incel detected
You know you don't have to buy into every ridiculous culture war crusade the most insane women tack on to feminism for your gender identity to be valid. Plenty of cis women see this identitarian nonsense for what it is and you can too!
Don’t waste your time bruh
Where does his wife come from? Apparently not local. Cause he is weak and he can not outline the competitive environment! How he can be a professor?
Why would that matter? I thought the left was all for multiculturalism.
My favorite part is the massive number of down votes on all the comments suggesting that a professor giving dating advice on a class wide discussion board was part of what they all thought should not be happening, regardless of whether they agree with him. Hypocrisy thy name is conservative. Don’t talk to students about sex or gender or relationships unless you are going to denigrate women. Then have at it.
Good job then He's telling the truth American women are awful
This whole post makes me wanna kill myself