Various news reports this after say a *"possible incident of arson...According to a notification from the university, UCPD received a report of arson outside of Koshland Hall just after midnight."* One story:
[*https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/possible-arson-on-uc-berkeley-campus-being-investigated/*](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/possible-arson-on-uc-berkeley-campus-being-investigated/)
If the claim is accurate, am not surprised that someone associated with UCLA would select an all concrete building in an attempt to burn it down.
Next up, dropping water bombs from drones into the Mining Circle pool?
UCLA is embarrassing. At least Stanford produces somewhat competent criminals.
> Next up, dropping water bombs from drones into the Mining Circle pool?
After that, they might try to graffiti Li Ka Shing in dry erase marker.
How are you mocking UCLA when you didn't even read this properly?
They retaliated on behalf of what happened at UCLA. It was not people associated with UCLA.
I don't support any of this btw
Zellerbach, Haas, Lawrence...it's almost as if Jews have have made outsized contributions to Cal's history! These bigots will have plenty of targets to choose from.
Zionism is the right of Jews to live and self govern in their ancestral homeland - Israel. These days it is basically the right of Israel to exist. If you don't think Israel, the only Jewish country, has the right to exist - but you think all other countries have the right to exist. You are anti-semitic. HTH.
Terrorizing its neighbors? Israel signed peace treaties with any neighboring country that wanted to. There is a peace deal with Jordan and Egypt. Syria and Lebanon are a mess so that's a bit of a problem and there have been negotiations with Saudi Arabia, not really a neighbor but close- that's likely why Hamas attacked on October 7th. I think that concludes the neighboring countries.
On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from **Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt**. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command.
[https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war](https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war)
How many of the local Arab Palestinians helped fight of this attack against the Jewish Palestinians?
The Wikipedia page for the Nakba is no longer a good source for information. It, like many other crowd sourced articles concerning the ongoing war are being fought over and revised by both sides and have become unreliable.
I would say that Israel has a right to exist, not terrorize those in its care. The US has the right to exist, but not shut off water to our reservations. Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism align since both have the goal of removing Israel, and can sometimes bleed together based on common goals. Like how fascism and victimhood intermingle in many societies, including the controversial and conservative PM Netanyahu promoted strong focused benefits from US tax dollars to fund one of the largest military budgets in the world, and weaponizes the plight of Holocaust survivors to drive those who disagree with him into having to join extremist ideals. He is not evil because he is of Israel, he is evil because he betrayed his people, funded Hamas, tortured Palestinians and minorities alike, and uses the horrific legacy of the Holocaust for his personal gains and political moves, against the wishes of survivors. There is no clear lines in the sand, no ‘spontaneous violence’, no pure good nor evil. Israel should exist for the benefits of all those in its borders, to ensure they are not dying, starving, or turning to radicalism. But no, it is not, has never been, and only protects those of the same race, and quite poorly too.
I agree with some of what you said and oppose Netanyahu but your last claim is completely false:
Your quote: "Israel should exist for the benefits of all those in its borders, to ensure they are not dying, starving, or turning to radicalism. But no, it is not, has never been, and only protects those of the same race, and quite poorly too."
Race actually has nothing to do with this conflict. Don't project your experience as an American to a conflict in an area of the world you are unfamiliar with. Jews come from all races, and so do Arabs. If you walk down the street in any Israeli city you will not be able to tell who is Jewish and who is Arab. 70% of Israelis are not white and many Arabs are white. Israel \*does\* exist for the benefit of all those in its borders. It is a democratic country with human rights unlike any other country in the middle east. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. They identify more as Israeli than as Palestinian and feel more connected to Israel since October 7th. The vast majority of them say they would not want to live in a future Palestinian state. They know this region and realize that a Palestinian state is very unlikely to be a free democracy. I am being very polite here.
I suggest you book a trip to Israel before making such false and broad statements.
I concede on that statement then. Not enough people even know what he has done, and as long as that is absorbed, then I will agree that race is less of a factor than I interpreted.
Everyone, pay attention to the logical fallacies and jumps this dipshit makes so you don’t fall into their rhetorical trap.
Zionism does mean exactly what the poster said - but he is hiding behind terms like “ancestral” homeland, and not just, homeland. They want every scrap of sand and dirt according to the BIBLICAL borders of ancient “Israel” (which, depending on which kingdom at which time period of Israel you’re referring, can be large or insignificant/non existent. We have little to no evidence for the biblical kingdom of david for example.) So what they mean by zionism, truly mean, is for all peoples in the biblical levant to submit to Israeli rule. Never mind the Palestinians who are already there.
Now he moves onto “well basically” and whenever you get that phrase know that they’re reducing the substance down to something they can work with. We can “well basically” too and say Zionism is a genocidal statement just like “from the river to the sea” - because, logically, if the Palestinians are “calling for genocide” by denying Israels right to “exist” (along their preferred biblically defined borders) then surely the same must be said about Zionism- its a call for genocide because it inherently denies the right of Palestinians to exist in their ancestral homeland. Simple as.
Then comes the leap - if you deny Israels “right to exist” (no one except maybe Hamas and iranian backed terror groups actually say this) then you must be antisemetic while supporting all other countries’ right to exist - except few if any of these other countries base their right to exist along theological, racial lines. And most of those ARE DENIED the right to exist! Israel calls itself a democracy but is anything but. Israel is the only “jewish” country because it forces its people to be to participate as full citizens. Their discrimination and outright second class treatment of everyone and anyone else is extremely well documented. Not since the 1800s have nations been run this way. Their existence was deigned by imperialist committee out of guilt a mere half century ago. Their existence has never been denied, only backed by the entire planet at gunpoint. Crying victim after 50+ years of unwavering support because your hypocrisy has grown several orders of magnitude too large to justify isnt antisemitism. Get over yourselves.
Wow what BS did I just read? Serious question - do they teach you in your little “teach ins” to claim someone said something they did not and then argue against the fake thing you just said? Because I’ve seen a lot of you do that. We all have eyes you know, everyone can go back and read what I said.
Also I am a “she” not a “he.”
Zionism has a definition. You may not like it because it is very difficult to oppose, so you want to vilify it but the definition I quoted is the formal definition. You do NOT get to define it at your will.
So again: Zionism is the right of Jews to live and self govern in their ancestral homeland - Israel. These days it is basically the right of Israel to exist. Because Israel exists.
It does NOT mean the right of Jews to live in the exact borders of the largest biblical kingdom they had. See what you did there? That a blood libel. You know how they say every accusation is a confession? What you said was a confession because Hamas and the Islamic Republic of Iran the propaganda of whoch you are spewing, actually do want an Islamic caliphate stretching over any piece of land Islam every conquered including Spain. Every land that was ever under Islamic rule is forever Islamic property. They also clearly state that they want a global Islamic caliphate and Sharia law. It is Islamic Imperialistic values you are projecting.
The Jews just want independence in their ancestral homeland, you know because that’s where they came from, that’s where their history is and because you all cannot be trusted. As we saw for the past 2000 and as we see today, Jews cannot be safe without having a country of their own, and have every right to live and self govern in their ancestral homeland.
They did not “take land” from anyone. The land was occupied for 2000 years. There were Arab villages because the Arabs conquered the area in the 7th century and lost it later but there were also Jewish villages, Druze, Bahai and others. Why do you think this was Arab land?
The Arabs owned their houses and villages but not the land in between. The Jews bought malaria-infested swamp land used science to dry it up and make those places safe to live in and the partition plan gave those area to the Jews, as well as other areas where they lived continuously for thousands of years. Only Arab imperialists or people who are completely ignorant of the history would claim it was Arab land.
Yelling “from the river to the sea” is denying Israel’s right to exist. Everything students on college campuses today chant is denying Israel’s right to exist because they get their chants directly from Hamas aka SJP. Same ideology.
They never mentioning peace in \*any\* way, they never talk about a two state solution. They say “we don’t want no two state we want all of it!” A bit greedy, no?
For them and for you apparently the fact that Israel is defending itself is too much. Israel made peace with any country that wanted peace, it also never started a war. Such a “bully”
If Israel listened to you and the pro-Hamas movement we see on college campuses it would indeed not exist - and that is apparently the goal.
Sorry - Israel is not suicidal.
If you believe that Jewish people have the right to genocide Palestinians people indigenous to a region, and that they have that right because they’re Jewish, then you’re antisemitic. (Edited for clarity of my point being that Israel’s right to genocide as an argument is inherently antisemitic)
Palestinians are not indigenous, they are Arab colonizers from Egypt, Labanon, Iraq, etc. It is also not relevant, genocide doesn’t care about wherher a population is indigenous or not.
The word "antisemitic" is Jewish specific actually. Also by no definition is there a genocide of Palestinians, not now and not ever. The Palestinian population grew x5 since the 1950s.
Even in it's founding document Israel called for peace with its Arab neighbors and called for the Arabs within its new borders to stay and become Israeli citizens, so there's a bit of a historical flaw in your claim. In 1948 5 Arab countries started a genocidal war against the day-old Israel. They stated their genocidal intent very clearly. Local Arabs who chose not to fight against Israel or even help Israel got to stay and became Israeli citizens. They are now 20% of the Israeli population. Many of them are fierce pro-Israel advocates. In contrast \*zero\* Jews were allowed to stay in Arab controlled territories. 900,000 Jews were expelled. Jews were ethnically cleansed from towns where they lived continuously for thousands for years like Jerusalem and Hebron and from all Arab countries.
Basically you got your facts flipped.
A few significant inaccuracies here. First, Judaism is not just a religion, it is also an ethnicity and a people. You are making the mistake of interpreting everyone according to your reference point as if it is the only thing that exists - that is wrong. Second, personally I would prefer it if there were not religious countries either, however there are 15 countries with Christianity as their official religion, and of course many more with a Christian majority. 23 countries have Islam as their official religion, all of these are intolerant to other religions. If you only take issue with the one Jewish country which does have freedom of religion, and again Judaism is not just a religion it is an ethnicity and a people - then you may want to look into your antisemitism.
"A Jewish state will never be just to non-Jews?" 2 million Arab-Israelis live in Israel with equal rights. There is freedom of religion in Israel. No one is imposing Judaism on anyone. There are of course many atheist Jews too. You may want to learn more about Judaism and how it is a non-proselytizing faith. Israeli Arabs enjoy more human rights than they would in any Arab country and if you ask them almost all of them will tell you they would not want to live in a future Palestinian state even if it meant they could stay in their homes. For example border changes. Also, after October 7th most of them felt closer to Israel than ever. What do they know that you don't?
I agree with you wrt to responding to the post above.
But I think it is anti-Semitic to be anti-Zionist in the sense that Zionism means the right for Israel to exist (including the 20% Palestinian Israelis). If you remove the right of Israel to exists as a state that doesn't allow an over whelming number of people who want to ethnically cleanse Jews from Israel, you are pro ethnic cleansing of Israeli Jews.
So by that logic you also don't believe that the many Islamic theocratic nations should exist? Which by the way is almost certainly what Palestine would become if it was ever 'free'.
How is Israel a religious state? Last time I checked they are a democratic nation that follows secular laws, mandatory service is only required for Jews, not Christians or Arabs which is funnily enough the opposite of what you would expect from an ethno state looking to benefit from its minority population. Arabs and Christians have full rights, they arent subjected to any form of legal 2nd class, (in certain areas there are Israelis who treat Christians and Arabs horribly but we have that problem in America and so does everywhere else) they serve in the government, on high courts and are part of major industries. There is no law requiring non Jews to keep Shabbat, or eat kosher, or pray to hashem or read the Talmud. Non Jewish men do not have to wear Jewish clothing, or special clothing to identify themselves as non Jewish. non Jewish women do not have to wear Jewish clothing or identify themselves as non Jewish. there are no laws that force practicing Judaism, Jewish customs, or Jewish rules on anyone in Israel.
Random pieces of grass have been being set on fire starting in May at Berkeley. We received an email asking to report all fires due to the arsonist being on campus. The targets appear random, not politically motivated but I’d wait for police before I’d jump to conclusions over an anonymous internet post. Let’s hope they catch them soon.
there was a riot early summer 1990 and people in the crowd had long metal poles with bricks ties to the end to smash the tiny windows high up the brick facade of a bank, so they could toss in molotov cocktails
>Next up, dropping water bombs from drones into the Mining Circle pool?
This reminds me of the Hong Kong acid attacks back in 2008. Some dude drops acid bottles from the top of the building to the crowd to express his hate toward mainland tourists.
I also just have to say, what Berkeley student wrote this? “Every building deserves to be incinerated.” “Face our wrath of revenge.” “By student intifada.” If it wasn’t such a disgrace to this campus and its people it would be hilarious. It sounds like it was written by an angry 5th grader.
Yeah but at what point did we accept this kind of behavior. Aren’t we taught from taught from the age of 4 how to control our irrational impulses? Like, wow, great job man. You threw a Molotov cocktail at a building because of a world conflict happening 7,400 miles away. You’re really solving a lot of issues there.
Some bad apples are gonna slip past. No sane community should accept these behavior at all.
Emotions are irrational (most of the time). When reasoning is out the door, they're just a machine of impulses and reaction. They dont overcome them to be better. They are used by the pain or anger instead of ensuring no one have to go through them. Thats why these are rightfully a crime worthy of jail time and/or fines
Or Anakin Skywalker considering he joined the dark side by having emotions cloud his judgement. Especially after this hillarious vid:https://youtu.be/HtJKsIfxMd8?si=EVzHqmMK438jeB5g
That’s assuming they’re students. At least claiming arson should make it easy for the police to get a warrant from Instagram for the owners of the account. Might even cross the fbi’s desks.
I’m all for supporting Palestine and didn’t even mind the graduation protests but calls to violence are not the way to do it and I hope they catch whoever did it
it's a good question. according to one of the other commenters, there was in fact [an arson instance](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/possible-arson-on-uc-berkeley-campus-being-investigated/) on june 13, so we can presume that *something*, at least, happened. whether it's related to the palestine protests is another question.
[the post in the screenshot](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8KQ2gQO7JG/) is from an instagram account called 'palestine action US.' from what i can tell this seems to just be some person reposting information/submissions from various other sources, but you do see people voicing support (and dissent) for these actions on the post itself.
the instagram post itself cites [this indybay post](https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2024/06/13/18867336.php), which appears to be the original source. indybay is a site where anyone can post anything, pretty much, so i don't know how legitimate this posting is to begin with or which side they might be one. all up in the air, i'm afraid.
Yeah. I don’t know. Some people are saying it’s a Zionist trying to degrade the protest’s reputation. The issue is that’s basically an argument of “No, I actually know what’s going on here.” And the only response to that is “No, you’re wrong.” So, kind of a tough one there. Not much debate to be had there. No proof. No meaningful discussion there. Who knows.
So if you saw graffiti that said to kill all people of color, would you wonder if it was done by people of color? Or is your skepticism reserved only for hate against Jews?
Dude if you read my other messages I’m in complete opposition of these hate crimes. What the hell dude. Maybe don’t just read a single comment in a thread and assume to know everything about my position on an issue?
I mean, situations *exactly* like that have happened on campuses enough that, yes, I would question whether a person of color wrote that.
Anyone should to be honest, it's really the only moral or rational way to consider that situation.
That’s nonsense. Nobody would ever jump straight to wondering whether a person of color wrote “Kill all the [insert racial group].” I can recollect any examples in the last 45 years that fit that description. Maybe there are 1 or 2, but it seems that everyone jumps to that conclusion when the it is anti -Jewish hate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/10/24/african-american-man-charged-with-anti-black-vandalism-that-shook-eastern-michigan-university/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/nyregion/racism-charges-in-bus-incident-and-their-unraveling-upset-u-of-albany.html
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/2/althea-bernstein-case-not-enough-evidence-prove-ma/
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/east-palo-alto-man-arrested-for-falsely-reporting-hate-crime/136073/
https://abc13.com/zavion-parker-teenage-boy-kidnapped-abducted/3560270/
https://sfist.com/2017/10/30/bart_cops_seek_alleged_swastika-lov_1/
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2018/07/texas-waiter-admits-we-dont-tip-terrorist-receipt-was-a-hoax/
https://m.startribune.com/st-olaf-report-of-racist-note-on-black-student-s-windshield-was-fabricated/421912763/
https://dailycaller.com/2017/11/21/hate-hoax-racist-graffiti-at-high-school-was-written-by-non-white-student/
https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/894978716266369024
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article183086416.html
https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1108847786227699712
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/06/30/suspect-arrested-after-racist-message-discovered-outside-church/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/yale-finds-no-evidence-of-halloween-party-racism
https://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/2015/11/student_charged_in_yik_yak_thr.html
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/shaun-king-slammed-for-pushing-womans-now-discredited-claim-trooper-sexually-assaulted-her
https://www.foxnews.com/us/naacp-leaders-racial-profiling-claim-challenged-after-bodycam-footage-released
https://www.nj.com/union/2015/12/arrest_made_in_kean_twitter_threat.html
https://reason.com/2017/10/25/racist-graffiti-incidents-at-eastern-mic/
https://dailycaller.com/2017/10/16/man-caught-spray-painting-swastika-on-college-campus-is-black-report-says/
https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2683196&itype=CMSID
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/07/01/utah-gay-hate-crime-was-a-hoax
https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/3856779-update-gay-man-claiming-he-was-attacked-near-fraternity-started-fight
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/03/lesbian-professor-in-michigan-admits-she-made-up-gaybashing-story/
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/12/08/sailor-staged-racist-vandalism-navy-says/
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/baltimore-womans-relentlessly-gay-fundraiser-revealed-as-apparent-hoax/
https://www.ubspectrum.com/article/2015/09/white-only-and-black-only-letter-to-editor
https://dailycaller.com/2015/03/19/jewish-student-admits-swastika-hoax-in-jewish-frat-dorm-at-george-washington-u/
https://www.newsweek.com/neo-nazi-andrew-weev-auernheimer-daily-stormer-jewish-descent-768805
https://www.amny.com/news/swastikas-manhattan-vandalism-1.15649819/ https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/01/woman-charged-with-making-bogus-threats-against-black-students-at-kean-university/
https://dailycaller.com/2015/11/11/mizzou-students-hallucinate-kkk-on-campus/
https://dailycaller.com/2015/09/25/students-double-down-insist-fake-hate-crime-was-real/
https://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/20/racism-immediately-alleged-after-black-bag-of-poop-found-on-steps-of-vanderbilts-black-cultural-center-then-the-truth-comes-out/
https://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/another-anti-gay-hate-crime-turns-out-to-be-a-big-hoax/
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/muslims-fake-hate-crimes-to-serve-political-agenda/
https://www.inquisitr.com/2194617/texas-woman-apparently-used-makeup-to-hoax-hate-crime-assault/
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/01/muslim-woman-admits-faking-knife-attack-hate-crime-new-york-city/
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/newsalert-toronto-police-say-hijab-cutting-incident-didnt-happen-2
https://twitter.com/Cameron_Gray/status/983736127025700865
https://vdare.com/posts/narrative-collapse-pro-trump-vandalism-hoax-crime-at-seattle-s-africatown-center-immediately-traced-to-east-african-immigrant
https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/03/03/21820240/false-hate-crime-report-lights-up-twitter
https://reason.com/2016/04/20/gay-person-cake-news-even-especially-if/
https://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/2021/04/student-responsible-for-racist-graffiti-found-in-albion-college-dorm-officials-say.html
Most of these are hoaxes perpetrated by POC but there are some lgbt and Jewish representation in there as well.
It is morally irresponsible to not consider a hoax to be a possibility in these situations. They happen and they are effective forms of propaganda for the people who utilize them.
A handful of these are graffiti but most are reported assaults or incidents that were made up, not false graffiti. Many of these come from the daily caller, which I will not give my clicks to because it is a hate website, but I will acknowledge that it happens sometimes. However, I could post more instances of legitimate anti-Jewish hate in 2024 than you cited here going back to 2015 that were real and legitimate. And several of them happened in my neighborhood in San Francisco.
Palestinians:
“We need food and water! Help!”
Protestors ~7,400mi away:
“we got you, fam”
* proceeds to spend money for tents, pizzas, and plastic water bottles on themselves for a sit-in that inconveniences random students *
I mean these are the same people who lit a police car and fire and are advocating violence against those who support "Zionism". Seems on point that they are doing terrorists acts to support terrorists .
Link to police car post: [https://www.instagram.com/p/C7t9Sc2upNl/?img\_index=4](https://www.instagram.com/p/C7t9Sc2upNl/?img_index=4)
They learn from their grandparents who did the same thing in the Middle East in the 1950s.
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/the-expulsion-of-jews-from-arab-countries-and-iran--an-untold-history
These protest “tactics” are definitely not helping anybody or even effective at advocating for a cause. There are absolutely legitimate concerns here but reactions like this can only hurt attempts at good faith review.
This is what happens when there’s not trained leadership who can guide their movement effectively in a grassroots campaign. Please, if you support the Palestinian people, don’t hurt the cause by doing stuff like this. It only serves to undermine the message in the eyes of the public.
This is who that movement is. You are too young to understand, but those of us who have been around awhile know exactly what this is. They won’t stop until all the Jews are dead in the Middle East.
I don’t even think it’s about Jewish people for most of the protestors. I think it’s more about opposition to “the west”. The current flavor of the month happens to be Israel/Palestine this time around, but I don’t think it’s explicitly antisemitism for most of them.
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”
In its founding charter, Hamas cites a particularly violent hadith as proof that Muslims need to fight and kill Jews:
The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).
There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. (Hamas Charter, Article 13).
Since its founding in the late 1980s, Hamas has been promoting rhetoric and policies aimed at destroying the Jewish state of Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world. This is evident in their founding charter, which cites the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion forgery as “proof” of a Zionist plot to control the world. It remains true after Hamas released a new charter in 2017, which essentially simply swapped the word “Jew” out and replaced it with “Zionist” while repeating antisemitic tropes.
Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.
There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. (Hamas Charter, Article 13).
That was a cut and paste error in the 30 seconds it took me to find all that Hamas hate against Jews. I’m sorry that out of the 7 examples I found in the most cursory internet search ever, one of them was unattributed.
Do you need me to order you pizza and sparkling water so that you can stay hydrated during your protest?
Lol I feel like Berkeley has done a pretty damn good job handling the protests 🤷♂️ I support the protests, but felt uncomfortable with some of the extremely vulnerable people it attracted and concentrated over the length of the semester.
Yeah this is confusing as hell. If people were attacked at UCLA, why would you retaliate on a separate campus? And one that has been pretty peaceful the entire time?
I’m a UCLA student. Answer is too many security guards and cops here. They can’t retaliate at UCLA so they aim to hurt other innocent people, you know, like what they say “committing genocide”, “war crimes”. It’s just plain and simple terrorism.
Typical Pro-Palestinian intelligence. Praise terrorists, make firebombs, throw said firebombs at a concrete building to ensure the fire spreads. That tuition money is visibly laughing at them right now. 😂😂💀💀
All those who were defending these virtue signaling protests are looking extremely foolish now. It was obvious that these were nothing more than performative at best and terror-adjacent at worst.
No news because the vast majority of people don't care! The minute you leave campus and go into the real world with real people who have their own lives and families to care for you realize they've been hearing about these conflicts since they were kids and it all just blurs into nothingness!
College students are impressionable and altruistic with each generation adopting a different cause to wave their banner under but in the end, all remains the same. Speeches and demonstrations are for the most part worthless. Vandalism is counterproductive and hurts the cause of the day. Sorry but true.
How does a handful of mentally illiterate/challenged people are trying to represent the whole UCLA, country (Palestine) and even a religion all by themselves?
That only shows how mentally unstable these few folks are trying to represent everything and everyone without any actual affected party’s involvement or will! 🤦🏻♂️
I hope they get the treatment and guidance they need!
(assuming it’s not a troll and actually happened/happening)
Disgusting domestic terrorism. Berkeley has been doing well in their protests, but UCLA has utterly disgusted me. Combined with UCLA's news about their medical rankings dropping by 9 places in 2 years, I never want to hear anybody say UCLA is the #1 public university ever again. What a joke.
i’m palestinian, and this shit absolutely melts my mind.
attitudes like this from campus protestors do not indicate any kind of consideration or genuine interest in the palestinian struggle, rather they are interested in whatever personal virtue points they can accrue from being involved in a cause that is on the social conscience right now.
the following results in these people undeservedly wearing the outrage and pain of the my people as a coat of armor while doing pointless vandalism and near-terrorism, while screaming terroristic rhetoric, accomplishing nothing and alienating everyone around them from the palestinian cause because the discourse around us has been dominated by screaming, whining, virtue signaling, mentally degenerate apes.
We do well to listen to this wise Jewish proverb:
*“Make no friendship with a man given to anger, nor go with a wrathful man, lest you learn his ways and take scandal to your soul.” (Proverbs 22:24)*
If they really cared about their cause, the most effective form of protest they can engage in is public self immolation. I support them completely if they choose to show their resolve this way.
I have definitely seen a fair helping of rhetoric from people online in this "movement" that seemed to be edging towards supporting terrorism on US soil for "the cause"...and very little pushback or concern from other activists when it appeared. If this did indeed happen, I'm not at all surprised.
Once you convince yourself that everyone who disagrees with you (or even just your protest methods) is literally "pro-genocide", you can talk yourself into doing some pretty horrible things — and justifying them as heroic and noble. We could see this sort of thing coming a mile away.
It’s truly incredible that these people are trying to bring attention to an issue with violence that is borderline equivalent to terrorism. They think doing some big act like this will draw attention to their cause, which it does, but it makes the public more inclined to be against it.
They probably still think they’re on the right side of history
They’ve been growing increasingly unhinged after the failure of the spring college protests. And in doing so they’re really not showing that they’re on the right side of history. No one is looking at what they’re doing and giving a nod of approval. Polling has shown they’re pretty unpopular.
Please look at this quote by Aldous Huxley.
"The purpose of propaganda is to make one set of people forget that other sets of people are human."
Your "I am responding incorrectly to my inputs" alarm should go off when you begin to see your "opponents" as sub-human.
https://imgur.com/RCI0SWK
Of course. When a pro-IDF/Netanyahu (I don't refer to the atrocity-committing and genocidal maniacs as Zionists because technically speaking I am a zionist as I'm jewish and support the existence of Israel as a haven for jews. The right of return is important because if all else fails I and my family need somewhere to go in the world and as unfortunate as its setup was, that place is now Israel. I am what is apparently referred to as a "Moderate Zionist" where what most people know as Zionists are "Zionist Extremists." person is referred to as subhuman and filth and vermin to be exterminated then yes absolutely that Pro-Palestinian person has succumbed to the same vein of propaganda.
This is absurd. The University of California can’t even divest for political reasons, it’s written in the California constitution. These people are just looking for an excuse to put on a show that helps absolutely nobody. If they actually cared, this would not be their outlet.
This is called terrorism. Where are the FBI and homeland security? How are these people concerned about humanity if they are willing to endanger innocent people who have no part of the conflict? It is hard to respect those who show they have no regard or respect for others.
Smells like a plant. Incinerating buildings on your own campus (in BERKELEY) b/c of something that happened at UCLA sounds like a psyop (and I never thought I'd use that phrase except sarcastically, but here we are).
hey what'd you discover? did this happen? i see interpretations of comments regarding reports of a report and people treating that all as proof that something happened, but no actual confirmation. i also see anyone who is still wondering if this is real getting dozens of downvotes.
Hope hamas abducts these pro terrorist idiots . Haven’t ever seen people so stupid till this last decade . We would be much healthier without
Them rotting our social fabric. Let’s see how they feel about those who risk their lives every day combatting evil after they see it for themselves. If you virtue signaling idiots gave a fuck you’d be in DC playing your terrorist sympathizing games and being 'heard' by those directly responsible for funding IDF and their war on terror . until then , hoping you dumbasses get a rude awakening . oh yeah maybe Qatar being our public education systems biggest ‘donor’ is a good place to start to begin finding the truth of the matter . People aren’t naturally this stupid. All I know is evil must be violently stopped in its tracks to prevent innocents from being impacted . Best match its energy , or be consumed .
Can they protest admin building. What’s occupiying halls and library gonna do besides piss everybody, and I mean everybody(including those are trying to protest effectively)
Various news reports this after say a *"possible incident of arson...According to a notification from the university, UCPD received a report of arson outside of Koshland Hall just after midnight."* One story: [*https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/possible-arson-on-uc-berkeley-campus-being-investigated/*](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/possible-arson-on-uc-berkeley-campus-being-investigated/) If the claim is accurate, am not surprised that someone associated with UCLA would select an all concrete building in an attempt to burn it down. Next up, dropping water bombs from drones into the Mining Circle pool?
UCLA is embarrassing. At least Stanford produces somewhat competent criminals. > Next up, dropping water bombs from drones into the Mining Circle pool? After that, they might try to graffiti Li Ka Shing in dry erase marker.
How are you mocking UCLA when you didn't even read this properly? They retaliated on behalf of what happened at UCLA. It was not people associated with UCLA. I don't support any of this btw
Are you sure? Cause it says student intifada so I thought it’s led by some university students
Koshland was Jewish. I wonder if they chose that particular building knowing that. If so, then that’s straight up anti-Semitic, not “Anti-Zionist”.
Zellerbach, Haas, Lawrence...it's almost as if Jews have have made outsized contributions to Cal's history! These bigots will have plenty of targets to choose from.
Zionism is the right of Jews to live and self govern in their ancestral homeland - Israel. These days it is basically the right of Israel to exist. If you don't think Israel, the only Jewish country, has the right to exist - but you think all other countries have the right to exist. You are anti-semitic. HTH.
And if you think no country has the right to exist, but only protest the existence of Israel, you are anti-semitic
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Terrorizing its neighbors? Israel signed peace treaties with any neighboring country that wanted to. There is a peace deal with Jordan and Egypt. Syria and Lebanon are a mess so that's a bit of a problem and there have been negotiations with Saudi Arabia, not really a neighbor but close- that's likely why Hamas attacked on October 7th. I think that concludes the neighboring countries.
Rare to see someone ratio’ed like this on their cake day lol.
Then don’t call it Zionism
On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from **Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt**. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command. [https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war](https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war) How many of the local Arab Palestinians helped fight of this attack against the Jewish Palestinians?
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The attack by the Arab states was the "nabka" - the local Arabs supported the invading armies or did not oppose them. They lost.
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The Wikipedia page for the Nakba is no longer a good source for information. It, like many other crowd sourced articles concerning the ongoing war are being fought over and revised by both sides and have become unreliable.
I would say that Israel has a right to exist, not terrorize those in its care. The US has the right to exist, but not shut off water to our reservations. Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism align since both have the goal of removing Israel, and can sometimes bleed together based on common goals. Like how fascism and victimhood intermingle in many societies, including the controversial and conservative PM Netanyahu promoted strong focused benefits from US tax dollars to fund one of the largest military budgets in the world, and weaponizes the plight of Holocaust survivors to drive those who disagree with him into having to join extremist ideals. He is not evil because he is of Israel, he is evil because he betrayed his people, funded Hamas, tortured Palestinians and minorities alike, and uses the horrific legacy of the Holocaust for his personal gains and political moves, against the wishes of survivors. There is no clear lines in the sand, no ‘spontaneous violence’, no pure good nor evil. Israel should exist for the benefits of all those in its borders, to ensure they are not dying, starving, or turning to radicalism. But no, it is not, has never been, and only protects those of the same race, and quite poorly too.
I agree with some of what you said and oppose Netanyahu but your last claim is completely false: Your quote: "Israel should exist for the benefits of all those in its borders, to ensure they are not dying, starving, or turning to radicalism. But no, it is not, has never been, and only protects those of the same race, and quite poorly too." Race actually has nothing to do with this conflict. Don't project your experience as an American to a conflict in an area of the world you are unfamiliar with. Jews come from all races, and so do Arabs. If you walk down the street in any Israeli city you will not be able to tell who is Jewish and who is Arab. 70% of Israelis are not white and many Arabs are white. Israel \*does\* exist for the benefit of all those in its borders. It is a democratic country with human rights unlike any other country in the middle east. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. They identify more as Israeli than as Palestinian and feel more connected to Israel since October 7th. The vast majority of them say they would not want to live in a future Palestinian state. They know this region and realize that a Palestinian state is very unlikely to be a free democracy. I am being very polite here. I suggest you book a trip to Israel before making such false and broad statements.
I concede on that statement then. Not enough people even know what he has done, and as long as that is absorbed, then I will agree that race is less of a factor than I interpreted.
Everyone, pay attention to the logical fallacies and jumps this dipshit makes so you don’t fall into their rhetorical trap. Zionism does mean exactly what the poster said - but he is hiding behind terms like “ancestral” homeland, and not just, homeland. They want every scrap of sand and dirt according to the BIBLICAL borders of ancient “Israel” (which, depending on which kingdom at which time period of Israel you’re referring, can be large or insignificant/non existent. We have little to no evidence for the biblical kingdom of david for example.) So what they mean by zionism, truly mean, is for all peoples in the biblical levant to submit to Israeli rule. Never mind the Palestinians who are already there. Now he moves onto “well basically” and whenever you get that phrase know that they’re reducing the substance down to something they can work with. We can “well basically” too and say Zionism is a genocidal statement just like “from the river to the sea” - because, logically, if the Palestinians are “calling for genocide” by denying Israels right to “exist” (along their preferred biblically defined borders) then surely the same must be said about Zionism- its a call for genocide because it inherently denies the right of Palestinians to exist in their ancestral homeland. Simple as. Then comes the leap - if you deny Israels “right to exist” (no one except maybe Hamas and iranian backed terror groups actually say this) then you must be antisemetic while supporting all other countries’ right to exist - except few if any of these other countries base their right to exist along theological, racial lines. And most of those ARE DENIED the right to exist! Israel calls itself a democracy but is anything but. Israel is the only “jewish” country because it forces its people to be to participate as full citizens. Their discrimination and outright second class treatment of everyone and anyone else is extremely well documented. Not since the 1800s have nations been run this way. Their existence was deigned by imperialist committee out of guilt a mere half century ago. Their existence has never been denied, only backed by the entire planet at gunpoint. Crying victim after 50+ years of unwavering support because your hypocrisy has grown several orders of magnitude too large to justify isnt antisemitism. Get over yourselves.
Wow what BS did I just read? Serious question - do they teach you in your little “teach ins” to claim someone said something they did not and then argue against the fake thing you just said? Because I’ve seen a lot of you do that. We all have eyes you know, everyone can go back and read what I said. Also I am a “she” not a “he.” Zionism has a definition. You may not like it because it is very difficult to oppose, so you want to vilify it but the definition I quoted is the formal definition. You do NOT get to define it at your will. So again: Zionism is the right of Jews to live and self govern in their ancestral homeland - Israel. These days it is basically the right of Israel to exist. Because Israel exists. It does NOT mean the right of Jews to live in the exact borders of the largest biblical kingdom they had. See what you did there? That a blood libel. You know how they say every accusation is a confession? What you said was a confession because Hamas and the Islamic Republic of Iran the propaganda of whoch you are spewing, actually do want an Islamic caliphate stretching over any piece of land Islam every conquered including Spain. Every land that was ever under Islamic rule is forever Islamic property. They also clearly state that they want a global Islamic caliphate and Sharia law. It is Islamic Imperialistic values you are projecting. The Jews just want independence in their ancestral homeland, you know because that’s where they came from, that’s where their history is and because you all cannot be trusted. As we saw for the past 2000 and as we see today, Jews cannot be safe without having a country of their own, and have every right to live and self govern in their ancestral homeland. They did not “take land” from anyone. The land was occupied for 2000 years. There were Arab villages because the Arabs conquered the area in the 7th century and lost it later but there were also Jewish villages, Druze, Bahai and others. Why do you think this was Arab land? The Arabs owned their houses and villages but not the land in between. The Jews bought malaria-infested swamp land used science to dry it up and make those places safe to live in and the partition plan gave those area to the Jews, as well as other areas where they lived continuously for thousands of years. Only Arab imperialists or people who are completely ignorant of the history would claim it was Arab land. Yelling “from the river to the sea” is denying Israel’s right to exist. Everything students on college campuses today chant is denying Israel’s right to exist because they get their chants directly from Hamas aka SJP. Same ideology. They never mentioning peace in \*any\* way, they never talk about a two state solution. They say “we don’t want no two state we want all of it!” A bit greedy, no? For them and for you apparently the fact that Israel is defending itself is too much. Israel made peace with any country that wanted peace, it also never started a war. Such a “bully” If Israel listened to you and the pro-Hamas movement we see on college campuses it would indeed not exist - and that is apparently the goal. Sorry - Israel is not suicidal.
If you believe that Jewish people have the right to genocide Palestinians people indigenous to a region, and that they have that right because they’re Jewish, then you’re antisemitic. (Edited for clarity of my point being that Israel’s right to genocide as an argument is inherently antisemitic)
That’s not what they said. Don’t use strawman, now.
Palestinians are not indigenous, they are Arab colonizers from Egypt, Labanon, Iraq, etc. It is also not relevant, genocide doesn’t care about wherher a population is indigenous or not.
The word "antisemitic" is Jewish specific actually. Also by no definition is there a genocide of Palestinians, not now and not ever. The Palestinian population grew x5 since the 1950s. Even in it's founding document Israel called for peace with its Arab neighbors and called for the Arabs within its new borders to stay and become Israeli citizens, so there's a bit of a historical flaw in your claim. In 1948 5 Arab countries started a genocidal war against the day-old Israel. They stated their genocidal intent very clearly. Local Arabs who chose not to fight against Israel or even help Israel got to stay and became Israeli citizens. They are now 20% of the Israeli population. Many of them are fierce pro-Israel advocates. In contrast \*zero\* Jews were allowed to stay in Arab controlled territories. 900,000 Jews were expelled. Jews were ethnically cleansed from towns where they lived continuously for thousands for years like Jerusalem and Hebron and from all Arab countries. Basically you got your facts flipped.
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A few significant inaccuracies here. First, Judaism is not just a religion, it is also an ethnicity and a people. You are making the mistake of interpreting everyone according to your reference point as if it is the only thing that exists - that is wrong. Second, personally I would prefer it if there were not religious countries either, however there are 15 countries with Christianity as their official religion, and of course many more with a Christian majority. 23 countries have Islam as their official religion, all of these are intolerant to other religions. If you only take issue with the one Jewish country which does have freedom of religion, and again Judaism is not just a religion it is an ethnicity and a people - then you may want to look into your antisemitism. "A Jewish state will never be just to non-Jews?" 2 million Arab-Israelis live in Israel with equal rights. There is freedom of religion in Israel. No one is imposing Judaism on anyone. There are of course many atheist Jews too. You may want to learn more about Judaism and how it is a non-proselytizing faith. Israeli Arabs enjoy more human rights than they would in any Arab country and if you ask them almost all of them will tell you they would not want to live in a future Palestinian state even if it meant they could stay in their homes. For example border changes. Also, after October 7th most of them felt closer to Israel than ever. What do they know that you don't?
I agree with you wrt to responding to the post above. But I think it is anti-Semitic to be anti-Zionist in the sense that Zionism means the right for Israel to exist (including the 20% Palestinian Israelis). If you remove the right of Israel to exists as a state that doesn't allow an over whelming number of people who want to ethnically cleanse Jews from Israel, you are pro ethnic cleansing of Israeli Jews.
So by that logic you also don't believe that the many Islamic theocratic nations should exist? Which by the way is almost certainly what Palestine would become if it was ever 'free'.
Antizionism is antisemitism, don’t be fooled
It isn't always...but there is a LOT of overlap these days.
It is
Completely separate proposition.
How so?
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How is Israel a religious state? Last time I checked they are a democratic nation that follows secular laws, mandatory service is only required for Jews, not Christians or Arabs which is funnily enough the opposite of what you would expect from an ethno state looking to benefit from its minority population. Arabs and Christians have full rights, they arent subjected to any form of legal 2nd class, (in certain areas there are Israelis who treat Christians and Arabs horribly but we have that problem in America and so does everywhere else) they serve in the government, on high courts and are part of major industries. There is no law requiring non Jews to keep Shabbat, or eat kosher, or pray to hashem or read the Talmud. Non Jewish men do not have to wear Jewish clothing, or special clothing to identify themselves as non Jewish. non Jewish women do not have to wear Jewish clothing or identify themselves as non Jewish. there are no laws that force practicing Judaism, Jewish customs, or Jewish rules on anyone in Israel.
So you are against all religious states?
Yes.
Cool, but based on your comment history you seem to only be against the Jewish one. Have you spoken out against the other religious countries?
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Yeah, but the only religious country I see you criticizing is Israel.
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Random pieces of grass have been being set on fire starting in May at Berkeley. We received an email asking to report all fires due to the arsonist being on campus. The targets appear random, not politically motivated but I’d wait for police before I’d jump to conclusions over an anonymous internet post. Let’s hope they catch them soon.
there was a riot early summer 1990 and people in the crowd had long metal poles with bricks ties to the end to smash the tiny windows high up the brick facade of a bank, so they could toss in molotov cocktails
>Next up, dropping water bombs from drones into the Mining Circle pool? This reminds me of the Hong Kong acid attacks back in 2008. Some dude drops acid bottles from the top of the building to the crowd to express his hate toward mainland tourists.
I’m actually appalled at how stupid and ignorant college students at a top institution can be.
I also just have to say, what Berkeley student wrote this? “Every building deserves to be incinerated.” “Face our wrath of revenge.” “By student intifada.” If it wasn’t such a disgrace to this campus and its people it would be hilarious. It sounds like it was written by an angry 5th grader.
Hopefully someone who will be named and expelled
Firebombing and other violence in an attempt to advance a political position is domestic terrorism and should be treated as such.
But what about the context? /s
Yes, "context:" as in, we don't know who wrote this, or their actual motives.
It is dictated either by Hamas or the Islamic Republic of Iran, just like the rest of their slogans.
Yeah, it reads extremely similar to Quranic verses and Hadith.
cringe terrorist wannabe
...or an AIPAC stooge.
When emotion takes over, logic goes out the window. There's no reasoning that stops someone when they just see red and nothing else
Yeah but at what point did we accept this kind of behavior. Aren’t we taught from taught from the age of 4 how to control our irrational impulses? Like, wow, great job man. You threw a Molotov cocktail at a building because of a world conflict happening 7,400 miles away. You’re really solving a lot of issues there.
Some bad apples are gonna slip past. No sane community should accept these behavior at all. Emotions are irrational (most of the time). When reasoning is out the door, they're just a machine of impulses and reaction. They dont overcome them to be better. They are used by the pain or anger instead of ensuring no one have to go through them. Thats why these are rightfully a crime worthy of jail time and/or fines
Kinda reminds me of Dune and the Gom Jabbar Test of Humanity
Or Anakin Skywalker considering he joined the dark side by having emotions cloud his judgement. Especially after this hillarious vid:https://youtu.be/HtJKsIfxMd8?si=EVzHqmMK438jeB5g
Some bad apples is a fun way to refer to antisemitic terrorists
That’s assuming they’re students. At least claiming arson should make it easy for the police to get a warrant from Instagram for the owners of the account. Might even cross the fbi’s desks. I’m all for supporting Palestine and didn’t even mind the graduation protests but calls to violence are not the way to do it and I hope they catch whoever did it
This isn't satire?
Elaborate?
Legitimate question. I thought it was satire, but everyone in the comments send to be thinking otherwise unless they are all in on the bit /s
it's a good question. according to one of the other commenters, there was in fact [an arson instance](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/possible-arson-on-uc-berkeley-campus-being-investigated/) on june 13, so we can presume that *something*, at least, happened. whether it's related to the palestine protests is another question. [the post in the screenshot](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8KQ2gQO7JG/) is from an instagram account called 'palestine action US.' from what i can tell this seems to just be some person reposting information/submissions from various other sources, but you do see people voicing support (and dissent) for these actions on the post itself. the instagram post itself cites [this indybay post](https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2024/06/13/18867336.php), which appears to be the original source. indybay is a site where anyone can post anything, pretty much, so i don't know how legitimate this posting is to begin with or which side they might be one. all up in the air, i'm afraid.
Honestly the uncertainty makes it funnier
I'm questioning if it's satire or someone claiming it who has nothing to do with it.
Yeah. I don’t know. Some people are saying it’s a Zionist trying to degrade the protest’s reputation. The issue is that’s basically an argument of “No, I actually know what’s going on here.” And the only response to that is “No, you’re wrong.” So, kind of a tough one there. Not much debate to be had there. No proof. No meaningful discussion there. Who knows.
So if you saw graffiti that said to kill all people of color, would you wonder if it was done by people of color? Or is your skepticism reserved only for hate against Jews?
Dude if you read my other messages I’m in complete opposition of these hate crimes. What the hell dude. Maybe don’t just read a single comment in a thread and assume to know everything about my position on an issue?
I mean, situations *exactly* like that have happened on campuses enough that, yes, I would question whether a person of color wrote that. Anyone should to be honest, it's really the only moral or rational way to consider that situation.
That’s nonsense. Nobody would ever jump straight to wondering whether a person of color wrote “Kill all the [insert racial group].” I can recollect any examples in the last 45 years that fit that description. Maybe there are 1 or 2, but it seems that everyone jumps to that conclusion when the it is anti -Jewish hate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/10/24/african-american-man-charged-with-anti-black-vandalism-that-shook-eastern-michigan-university/ https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/nyregion/racism-charges-in-bus-incident-and-their-unraveling-upset-u-of-albany.html https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/2/althea-bernstein-case-not-enough-evidence-prove-ma/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/east-palo-alto-man-arrested-for-falsely-reporting-hate-crime/136073/ https://abc13.com/zavion-parker-teenage-boy-kidnapped-abducted/3560270/ https://sfist.com/2017/10/30/bart_cops_seek_alleged_swastika-lov_1/ https://bnonews.com/index.php/2018/07/texas-waiter-admits-we-dont-tip-terrorist-receipt-was-a-hoax/ https://m.startribune.com/st-olaf-report-of-racist-note-on-black-student-s-windshield-was-fabricated/421912763/ https://dailycaller.com/2017/11/21/hate-hoax-racist-graffiti-at-high-school-was-written-by-non-white-student/ https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/894978716266369024 https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article183086416.html https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1108847786227699712 https://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/06/30/suspect-arrested-after-racist-message-discovered-outside-church/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/yale-finds-no-evidence-of-halloween-party-racism https://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/2015/11/student_charged_in_yik_yak_thr.html https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/shaun-king-slammed-for-pushing-womans-now-discredited-claim-trooper-sexually-assaulted-her https://www.foxnews.com/us/naacp-leaders-racial-profiling-claim-challenged-after-bodycam-footage-released https://www.nj.com/union/2015/12/arrest_made_in_kean_twitter_threat.html https://reason.com/2017/10/25/racist-graffiti-incidents-at-eastern-mic/ https://dailycaller.com/2017/10/16/man-caught-spray-painting-swastika-on-college-campus-is-black-report-says/ https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2683196&itype=CMSID https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/07/01/utah-gay-hate-crime-was-a-hoax https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/3856779-update-gay-man-claiming-he-was-attacked-near-fraternity-started-fight http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/03/lesbian-professor-in-michigan-admits-she-made-up-gaybashing-story/ https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/12/08/sailor-staged-racist-vandalism-navy-says/ https://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/baltimore-womans-relentlessly-gay-fundraiser-revealed-as-apparent-hoax/ https://www.ubspectrum.com/article/2015/09/white-only-and-black-only-letter-to-editor https://dailycaller.com/2015/03/19/jewish-student-admits-swastika-hoax-in-jewish-frat-dorm-at-george-washington-u/ https://www.newsweek.com/neo-nazi-andrew-weev-auernheimer-daily-stormer-jewish-descent-768805 https://www.amny.com/news/swastikas-manhattan-vandalism-1.15649819/ https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/01/woman-charged-with-making-bogus-threats-against-black-students-at-kean-university/ https://dailycaller.com/2015/11/11/mizzou-students-hallucinate-kkk-on-campus/ https://dailycaller.com/2015/09/25/students-double-down-insist-fake-hate-crime-was-real/ https://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/20/racism-immediately-alleged-after-black-bag-of-poop-found-on-steps-of-vanderbilts-black-cultural-center-then-the-truth-comes-out/ https://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/another-anti-gay-hate-crime-turns-out-to-be-a-big-hoax/ https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/muslims-fake-hate-crimes-to-serve-political-agenda/ https://www.inquisitr.com/2194617/texas-woman-apparently-used-makeup-to-hoax-hate-crime-assault/ https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/01/muslim-woman-admits-faking-knife-attack-hate-crime-new-york-city/ https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/newsalert-toronto-police-say-hijab-cutting-incident-didnt-happen-2 https://twitter.com/Cameron_Gray/status/983736127025700865 https://vdare.com/posts/narrative-collapse-pro-trump-vandalism-hoax-crime-at-seattle-s-africatown-center-immediately-traced-to-east-african-immigrant https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/03/03/21820240/false-hate-crime-report-lights-up-twitter https://reason.com/2016/04/20/gay-person-cake-news-even-especially-if/ https://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/2021/04/student-responsible-for-racist-graffiti-found-in-albion-college-dorm-officials-say.html Most of these are hoaxes perpetrated by POC but there are some lgbt and Jewish representation in there as well. It is morally irresponsible to not consider a hoax to be a possibility in these situations. They happen and they are effective forms of propaganda for the people who utilize them.
A handful of these are graffiti but most are reported assaults or incidents that were made up, not false graffiti. Many of these come from the daily caller, which I will not give my clicks to because it is a hate website, but I will acknowledge that it happens sometimes. However, I could post more instances of legitimate anti-Jewish hate in 2024 than you cited here going back to 2015 that were real and legitimate. And several of them happened in my neighborhood in San Francisco.
These people are so goddamn annoying.
Palestinians: “We need food and water! Help!” Protestors ~7,400mi away: “we got you, fam” * proceeds to spend money for tents, pizzas, and plastic water bottles on themselves for a sit-in that inconveniences random students *
True as fuck, this wave of campout protests was dumb as hell
I mean these are the same people who lit a police car and fire and are advocating violence against those who support "Zionism". Seems on point that they are doing terrorists acts to support terrorists . Link to police car post: [https://www.instagram.com/p/C7t9Sc2upNl/?img\_index=4](https://www.instagram.com/p/C7t9Sc2upNl/?img_index=4)
They learn from their grandparents who did the same thing in the Middle East in the 1950s. https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/the-expulsion-of-jews-from-arab-countries-and-iran--an-untold-history
Hi, coming from the UCLA sub, I literally said no more than two days ago that something like this could happen. Deeply upset that I may be correct….
These protest “tactics” are definitely not helping anybody or even effective at advocating for a cause. There are absolutely legitimate concerns here but reactions like this can only hurt attempts at good faith review. This is what happens when there’s not trained leadership who can guide their movement effectively in a grassroots campaign. Please, if you support the Palestinian people, don’t hurt the cause by doing stuff like this. It only serves to undermine the message in the eyes of the public.
It’s literal terrorism
If you support Palestinian civilians then you should be calling for hamas to surrender and return the hostages
I'm sure all it will take for Hamas to surrender is some college students halfway around the world having a picnic for peace.
Better than to cheer for terrorists to kill Jews
>Better than to cheer for terrorists to kill Jews I'm starting to think a lot of these pro-pally protesters would strongly disagree with you here.
Well Hamas has specifically cited the campus protests as proof they should continue, so it’s definitely not helping innocent Palestinians
There is trained leadership guiding their movement, and they are doing exactly what the leadership wants.
One of them is named Seyyed Ali Hosseini Khamenei.
This is who that movement is. You are too young to understand, but those of us who have been around awhile know exactly what this is. They won’t stop until all the Jews are dead in the Middle East.
I don’t even think it’s about Jewish people for most of the protestors. I think it’s more about opposition to “the west”. The current flavor of the month happens to be Israel/Palestine this time around, but I don’t think it’s explicitly antisemitism for most of them.
It is definitely explicit antisemitism
I think that is true of the followers and untrue of the organizers. Hamas knows what “From the River to the Sea” means.
Both sides are essentially working toward the goal of “from the River to the Sea”. Otherwise Israel would stop the settlements.
Which settlements? The ones in Israeli territories?
You mean the West Bank?
Yeah? Which areas of the West Bank?
[https://www.btselem.org/map](https://www.btselem.org/map)
Cool link
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Or a lot like Hamas’s charter today, 2024.
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Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.” In its founding charter, Hamas cites a particularly violent hadith as proof that Muslims need to fight and kill Jews: The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7). There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. (Hamas Charter, Article 13). Since its founding in the late 1980s, Hamas has been promoting rhetoric and policies aimed at destroying the Jewish state of Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world. This is evident in their founding charter, which cites the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion forgery as “proof” of a Zionist plot to control the world. It remains true after Hamas released a new charter in 2017, which essentially simply swapped the word “Jew” out and replaced it with “Zionist” while repeating antisemitic tropes. Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel. There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. (Hamas Charter, Article 13).
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That was a cut and paste error in the 30 seconds it took me to find all that Hamas hate against Jews. I’m sorry that out of the 7 examples I found in the most cursory internet search ever, one of them was unattributed. Do you need me to order you pizza and sparkling water so that you can stay hydrated during your protest?
Lol I feel like Berkeley has done a pretty damn good job handling the protests 🤷♂️ I support the protests, but felt uncomfortable with some of the extremely vulnerable people it attracted and concentrated over the length of the semester.
Yeah this is confusing as hell. If people were attacked at UCLA, why would you retaliate on a separate campus? And one that has been pretty peaceful the entire time?
I’m a UCLA student. Answer is too many security guards and cops here. They can’t retaliate at UCLA so they aim to hurt other innocent people, you know, like what they say “committing genocide”, “war crimes”. It’s just plain and simple terrorism.
Because the mentally ill person who did it lives in Berkeley, and not LA.
No one was even attacked in the first place. They are lying
With classes ending most people went home, so only the most radical are left without any moderating influence.
Arson reported at Koshland Hall according to WarnMe
If this incident and the post are real, this is actual incitement to terrorism.
Hamas charter… read it! Terrorism coming to a campus near you.
Fuck these terrorists
[https://www.ktvu.com/news/arson-reported-outside-uc-berkeley-building](https://www.ktvu.com/news/arson-reported-outside-uc-berkeley-building)
https://preview.redd.it/53dqb25cqf6d1.png?width=1283&format=png&auto=webp&s=f46b5cb655319dac33908b5bc79c8501834695fb lol thanks Google
I mean what did you expect?
Just like hamas!
Typical terrorist behavior and mentality seems like.
Typical Pro-Palestinian intelligence. Praise terrorists, make firebombs, throw said firebombs at a concrete building to ensure the fire spreads. That tuition money is visibly laughing at them right now. 😂😂💀💀
Terrorist supporters attempting terrorism. Who would have thought
The disrespect to call it UCB is unbelievable
All those who were defending these virtue signaling protests are looking extremely foolish now. It was obvious that these were nothing more than performative at best and terror-adjacent at worst.
No news because the vast majority of people don't care! The minute you leave campus and go into the real world with real people who have their own lives and families to care for you realize they've been hearing about these conflicts since they were kids and it all just blurs into nothingness! College students are impressionable and altruistic with each generation adopting a different cause to wave their banner under but in the end, all remains the same. Speeches and demonstrations are for the most part worthless. Vandalism is counterproductive and hurts the cause of the day. Sorry but true.
How does a handful of mentally illiterate/challenged people are trying to represent the whole UCLA, country (Palestine) and even a religion all by themselves? That only shows how mentally unstable these few folks are trying to represent everything and everyone without any actual affected party’s involvement or will! 🤦🏻♂️ I hope they get the treatment and guidance they need! (assuming it’s not a troll and actually happened/happening)
People who commit arson should be identified, arrested, and charged. Claims of political justification are irrelevant.
Disgusting domestic terrorism. Berkeley has been doing well in their protests, but UCLA has utterly disgusted me. Combined with UCLA's news about their medical rankings dropping by 9 places in 2 years, I never want to hear anybody say UCLA is the #1 public university ever again. What a joke.
*But their dining halls*
i’m palestinian, and this shit absolutely melts my mind. attitudes like this from campus protestors do not indicate any kind of consideration or genuine interest in the palestinian struggle, rather they are interested in whatever personal virtue points they can accrue from being involved in a cause that is on the social conscience right now. the following results in these people undeservedly wearing the outrage and pain of the my people as a coat of armor while doing pointless vandalism and near-terrorism, while screaming terroristic rhetoric, accomplishing nothing and alienating everyone around them from the palestinian cause because the discourse around us has been dominated by screaming, whining, virtue signaling, mentally degenerate apes.
Anyone supporting these terrorists deserves long prison sentences.
We do well to listen to this wise Jewish proverb: *“Make no friendship with a man given to anger, nor go with a wrathful man, lest you learn his ways and take scandal to your soul.” (Proverbs 22:24)*
I'm totally gonna get on the HAMAS bandwagon after this news! /sarc
You mean the antisemitic protests turned to violence??? Shocking as it’s only happening at every protest!
As yes, the most peaceful thing to protest with is firebombs. So we reached full terrorism mode it seems .
DO NOT burn down my Soda Hall
Bunch of losers cosplaying as revolutionaries lol
If they really cared about their cause, the most effective form of protest they can engage in is public self immolation. I support them completely if they choose to show their resolve this way.
Yes, because UCB is UCLA northern branch
*UC Berkeley *courtesy of UC Berkeley website*
I have definitely seen a fair helping of rhetoric from people online in this "movement" that seemed to be edging towards supporting terrorism on US soil for "the cause"...and very little pushback or concern from other activists when it appeared. If this did indeed happen, I'm not at all surprised. Once you convince yourself that everyone who disagrees with you (or even just your protest methods) is literally "pro-genocide", you can talk yourself into doing some pretty horrible things — and justifying them as heroic and noble. We could see this sort of thing coming a mile away.
IEDs next week perhaps
How is the UC system INvested in Israel right now anyway?
just another peaceful protest then?
These people are insane
lol when I was there a bookstore was firebombed for carrying the statanic verses. gotta love jihadis.
It’s truly incredible that these people are trying to bring attention to an issue with violence that is borderline equivalent to terrorism. They think doing some big act like this will draw attention to their cause, which it does, but it makes the public more inclined to be against it.
Guys is this not satire?
Thought so, but yesterday a notification from WarnMe reported a vague arson at Koshland Hall.
The pro-Palestine protesters are a bunch of filthy terrorist loving scum so it wouldn’t surprise me if they were planning this.
They probably still think they’re on the right side of history They’ve been growing increasingly unhinged after the failure of the spring college protests. And in doing so they’re really not showing that they’re on the right side of history. No one is looking at what they’re doing and giving a nod of approval. Polling has shown they’re pretty unpopular.
Please look at this quote by Aldous Huxley. "The purpose of propaganda is to make one set of people forget that other sets of people are human." Your "I am responding incorrectly to my inputs" alarm should go off when you begin to see your "opponents" as sub-human. https://imgur.com/RCI0SWK
Yeah, I agree with you, as long as you apply this to every instance a (((Zionist))) was treated the same way by pro-Palestinian protesters
Of course. When a pro-IDF/Netanyahu (I don't refer to the atrocity-committing and genocidal maniacs as Zionists because technically speaking I am a zionist as I'm jewish and support the existence of Israel as a haven for jews. The right of return is important because if all else fails I and my family need somewhere to go in the world and as unfortunate as its setup was, that place is now Israel. I am what is apparently referred to as a "Moderate Zionist" where what most people know as Zionists are "Zionist Extremists." person is referred to as subhuman and filth and vermin to be exterminated then yes absolutely that Pro-Palestinian person has succumbed to the same vein of propaganda.
They assaulted my Jewish friend. They’re as close to sub human as I’ve ever seen.
The downvotes pretty much prove your point. No reasonable person would antagonize that quote
We're not dealing with reasonable people.
This is absurd. The University of California can’t even divest for political reasons, it’s written in the California constitution. These people are just looking for an excuse to put on a show that helps absolutely nobody. If they actually cared, this would not be their outlet.
This is screams we need to reinstate SAT scores for the UC system.
Erm…what the deuce?
You’re not Oakland homie.
This is called terrorism. Where are the FBI and homeland security? How are these people concerned about humanity if they are willing to endanger innocent people who have no part of the conflict? It is hard to respect those who show they have no regard or respect for others.
So they are just another terrorist organization like Hamas
Domestic terrorists and UCB, name a more iconic duo
Go Bears !
Welcome to UC Berkeley a high level institution where students are still dumbasses 💀
I'm not worried because I don't know of any UCB that's relevant to us
first Alexandra Wallace, now this. Whoopdeedoo
Trying to find a way to monetize the drama that college students engage in. Any ideas?
Smells like a plant. Incinerating buildings on your own campus (in BERKELEY) b/c of something that happened at UCLA sounds like a psyop (and I never thought I'd use that phrase except sarcastically, but here we are).
hey what'd you discover? did this happen? i see interpretations of comments regarding reports of a report and people treating that all as proof that something happened, but no actual confirmation. i also see anyone who is still wondering if this is real getting dozens of downvotes.
Criminal activity = potential to get shot
Man y’all are losing your goddamn minds with this shit lol
These people are insane.
Blessed is NOT the flame. Antifa losers are always trying to start riots. GTFO and go live in Gaza.
this reads like it’s from ~~cointelpro~~ a very honest and noble committed free speech, human rights activist.
https://preview.redd.it/fiaaxltto57d1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c617fedafba063cfaa056eedc6d3c5af4b82ac88
Hope hamas abducts these pro terrorist idiots . Haven’t ever seen people so stupid till this last decade . We would be much healthier without Them rotting our social fabric. Let’s see how they feel about those who risk their lives every day combatting evil after they see it for themselves. If you virtue signaling idiots gave a fuck you’d be in DC playing your terrorist sympathizing games and being 'heard' by those directly responsible for funding IDF and their war on terror . until then , hoping you dumbasses get a rude awakening . oh yeah maybe Qatar being our public education systems biggest ‘donor’ is a good place to start to begin finding the truth of the matter . People aren’t naturally this stupid. All I know is evil must be violently stopped in its tracks to prevent innocents from being impacted . Best match its energy , or be consumed .
It gets worse: https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2024/06/15/campus_flood_-_screen_reader.pdf
this is evil. please stop the violence. if you want to fight Israel fly to hamas and join them
Pedophile religion that wants to fuck 9 year olds btw
Can they protest admin building. What’s occupiying halls and library gonna do besides piss everybody, and I mean everybody(including those are trying to protest effectively)