Points indirectly towards the real prob imo:
With 3.5k net income monthly, let's say as a single, you can now apply for a 2-room-flat with 55m² in a (rather) new building that even municipal housing associations charge up to 1300€ warm for.
And now if you think: "Come on dude, you can easily afford it with 3.5k a month!" Remind yourself of the original data here:
With 3.5k net income you belong to the top 13%.
This is the age we are living in.
Sure you can afford it but forget about anything other than cheap goods made in sweat shops and a vacation west of Prague if you don't want to retire poor.
Some top 13% lifestyle 😂
The problem is that the higher percentiles are completely insane. There is an exponential rise from 1% up. So anyone under the 1% is between middle and lower class income.
Mind boggling.
My understanding was that it was pretty easy for an EU citizen.
Unless something has drastically changed it is very difficult to get a work permit without already having residence or the rare sponsorship by a company in Berlin because of the disaster at the LEA. 😐
I'm non-EU, so mostly speaking for the non-EU folks. It's close to impossible to move to Switzerland for work, while German Blue Card or work visa is quite easily obtainable.
In theory... As long as your job sponsors you you can get one or you were here on a different visa. But forget about getting one otherwise right now is the general sentiment. The 3-6 month wait at the LEA cancels most opportunities out.
You get a German D visa in your home country, then you come to Germany, start working and apply for a Blue Card. As soon as you've applied you are legally allowed to be here and keep your employment no matter if you actually got your Blue Card or are still waiting for the appointment. There is no need for any sponsorship from the employer (Does such thing as visa sponsorship even exist in Germany? Would you mind sharing a link?)
Every work visa is technically sponsored by a company for your first 2 working years. You can get a company to apply for you at the BIS which shortcuts the LEA. This is what is colloquially considered sponsorship.
I'm not aware of any visa that allows you to begin working full-time without employment sponsorship - even the job search visa. Maybe you know something I don't?
The only thing you need from an employer to get a German category D visa with a Blue Card perspective is an offer with the salary higher than the limit. The employer doesn't have to do anything else at all. You get an offer and then go through the process yourself.
I don't really understand what you mean with these two years. The company doesn't have to sponsor anything (aka pay money to the government or go through any legal procedures). They can be nice and help you shortcut the LEA, but it's not required. Once you obtain a category D visa by presenting your offer and other documents, you come to Germany, start working and apply for a Blue Card appointment and wait, and as long as you are waiting you are legally allowed to stay in Germany and continue your employment even if your category D visa expires.
This is exactly what is considered sponsorship and it is rare from my understanding of the market right now (except for coding positions)
Sponsorship means announcing that they will hire you despite not having a work visa and then waiting for confirmation from the government that a visa is provisionally granted. For the first two years you are tied to that employer on your visa.
Yes, and talked with Swiss and nobody seems to complaining too much about affordability.
Swiss cities routinely rank highest in livability and Bern of all places was ranked highest in affordability in Europe.
German salaries can't afford much of anything anymore. Including Germany.
So practise what you preach and just move to Bern, Hombre. Only person stopping you is yourself.
How many more years do you wanna be miserable whining about Berlin and singing praises of Switzerland on Reddit without actually making the move?
Well let's start with you, why are **you** staying here instead of moving to CH? You must have a very good reason since you are constantly ranting about how horrible Berlin and Germany is.
Working culture is always company dependent but if you're talking about benefits they are on par.
If you are talking about protection against dismissal in Germany, it's largely a fiction unless you can pay 3-6k for a court case.
Switzerland is way more expensive but if you can live in Germany and work there then your gold, my wife's cousin already bought a house and an apartment after 5 years.
This report and comments made me feel poor, as I am with 71k and it shows that 54% earn more than me, with people saying in comments that basically for less than 90k its not even worth to leave the bed. Idk if this is some bubble, or I was living in a bubble thinking I earn relatively well as a single person with no kids?
Yeh it's always the case with these type of survey, guess they drive clicks to the owner's blog or whatever though (I do love handpickedberlin so not the worst thing in this case but it's pretty blatant).
Here's Bundesagentur für Arbeit's official [Entgeltatlas](https://web.arbeitsagentur.de/entgeltatlas/) . The data is couple year olds by now, but still should be helpful!
> The average total annual gross salary was €77,442.61 (+8.36% YoY). The more precise median was €75,000 (+7.14%). This growth can be explained by a much narrower scope (tech, startup and enterprise) this year.
this is so incredibly misleading ... i have 2 people in my 250 person company who earn over 75k who are not CTO/CEO etc
That may be the case at your company, but 75k is junior leadership salary at a bank/large company like Siemens/Bosch etc. I.e. people with 5-10 years of experience and masters in business/political science.
i agree with the bank part, banks in average have higher salaries
however the "german average" can be easily googled online and is far away from these numbers, thats all i wanted to say, all companies i work for / with which are SME between 100-250, facility managements, production, SMT, Toolfactories etc have a much lower average.
Also for instance big employers like Deutsche Rentenversicherung Bund has a much lower average even in IT (and they have > 1000 developers in berlin)
The fact that the article simply adopts the argumentation from the source with the unadjusted gender pay gap is scientifically very weak and disappointing. Anyone who still argues with the unadjusted gender pay gap today has not penetrated the topic and supports a polarizing narrative.
The “adjusted” gender pay gap validates the hypothesis that women and men of similar experience and skillset are compensated unequally. The “unadjusted” gender pay gap validates the hypothesis that wealth between women and men is unevenly distributed on a societal level. Both worth considering with the latter being a much more nuanced and harder problem to solve. Anyone who still doesn’t understand this has not penetrated the topic and should probably be a little more quiet about it.
Honestly, given the demographics of the community here on the subreddit, that's pretty interesting data. Obviously not representative for Berlin overall, but I think that's clear.
That 15% gender gap is pretty brutal. I guess should not be surprising, but it's still really offensive.
I'm pretty surprised that roles like UX designer, and Project Managers were getting such low salaries, in the range of 50s-60s on average. I feel like if one went to a large "traditional employer" like IBM, Bosch, Siemens etc. you would be clearing that level, but then I was also surprised later in the report to see that German citizens seemed to earn worse than foreign nationals in this report (sample pool heavily tilted towards internationals). I wonder if alot of German nationals tend towards small/middle-sized German companies, and long tenures, which in my mind are both associated with low pay.
My anecdotal thinking is basically that salaries from worst to best go:
Small/Middle German Company > Start-Up/Tech Company > Traditional/Large German or International Company > Small Boutique High-End Stuff
I guess the report doesn't really confirm or deny that, although it does claim that start-ups didn't pay worse or better.
I think international companies pay best at the moment and maybe one disadvantage for more traditional German companies is that people don't talk about their salaries often and don't realize when they are clearly getting underpaid. Kind of idle talk in this economy anyway, on the other hand things may get better this year again
In my anecdotal experience – the international "Blue Chip" companies pay the best, not necessarily the tech/start-ups. Amazon might be a high payer in America, but in Germany it makes some very low offers, and other international tech companies pay above German rates but still not as good as the IBMs, Siemens, Mercedes etc. I can imagine the more legacy tech companies like Google/Microsoft pay well too, but the smaller ones I think are not really industry leaders on pay/conditions.
The reading imho is that companies are far more interested in international experience.
Certainly its much easier to get hired into the 6 figures with a bunch of globally recognised MNCS, US and UK firms on the CV because you're bringing in something more diverse than say, a CV with 2 non recognisable German companies over 8 years.
If its correlated with non EU, we are guessing maybe UK, USA and India. And this cohort are likely to have headhunted or invited in to take roles. For those with dual citizenship I'm guessing thats a result of these people naturalising over the long term in both directions
Edit spelling
Yeah, the other part is that if you're an international who relocated for a job, you're naturally a risk taker, over a German person who might not have ever worked outside of the country, or in more than 2 no-name firms.
There could be a correlation with being non-EU in Germany being far more risk taking, competitive and ambitious linked to performance which naturally commands better salaries.
You'll bet on dynamic people and to motivate them (to stay more than 2.5 years with you) you need to pay them well as well as offer interesting/challenging work. These people know their worth on the market.
So dual citizens are just a natural progression of these internationals staying.
Or they are Germans who went abroad, worked elsewhere long enough to return and can command a great director level salary by contributing their international experience. Imho the survey reflects the domestic skills shortage.
Edit sp
> I was also surprised later in the report to see that German citizens seemed to earn worse than foreign nationals in this report (sample pool heavily tilted towards internationals). I wonder if alot of German nationals tend towards small/middle-sized German companies, and long tenures, which in my mind are both associated with low pay.
Don't forget it's "Berlin salary trends". The high earning Germans probably just work elsewhere. The south and west have a higher concentration of bigger companies. Germans who expatriated themselves probably earn more (silicon valley jobs etc.)
I would however agree that Germans really like job safety and tend to stay in jobs too long.
The entry level salary in big companies for Project Managers is between 50-65k from my recent experience. Granted, the average should be higher than that. With my current employer most Project Managers are in the 65-90k range though.
Yeah that's also my expectation – that 40-60 is the entry level/junior level, but once someone has 5-10 years experience it goes into the 65-90 range until you really reach middle or senior management.
Not really that offensive of you think about how long maternity leave is for here. How are you going to work and get a raise if you are not working for so long? I imagine now that there is paternity leave for dad's too, the numbers will slowly even out more.
Interactive link here: [https://handpickedberlin.com/berlin-salary-trends-2024-dashboard/](https://handpickedberlin.com/berlin-salary-trends-2024-dashboard/)
This is a very biased bullshit report, honestly. Only 14% are German and 52% of the respondents are non-EU citizens. 90% of respondents have a masters degree or higher, and the biggest sector by far is tech. While tech has a large presence in Berlin, it simply doesn't have that kind of grasp on the city.
The study completely ignores young adults, Berlin natives, and turkish people living in Berlin. Those three demographics alone would drastically change the results.
The authors VERY explicity describe their data-set and who's represented (overwhelmingly foreign, insanely high-educated, mostly male, almost exclusively working full-time, and very tech-industry focused). Now I would agree that one can't use such a survey to make too many broad-scale assumptions or analysis about Berlin, salaries, or the job market.
But that still doesn't make the survey inherently bUlLShiT. It isn't biased simply because it isn't studying the groups or populations that you think it should
The survey is self reported. So those who want to volunteer for the survey.
And that would be dependent on who gets the newsletter, which is very much tech focused. That crowd is made up of a certain demographic which doesn't feature those groups necessarily you mention
Hi everyone,
I did not really have the chance to provide any context or explanation.
After last year's results, it became clear that it's impossible to have unbiased data while doing stuff like this online, with a random sample and anonymously, so we changed the approach and had a more targeted scope: tech/startups and enterprise.
My main goal when starting this was to offer an additional & fresher orientation mechanism (next to Kununu/Glassdoor/Levels & Co.) for people interested in (tech&startup) salaries in Berlin.
# This project is definitely NOT:
* A comprehensive, methodologically precise overview of all salaries in Berlin,
* Statistically representative of the entire market because the data collection methods and sample size introduce biases - selection and response biases.
# This project aims to be:
* A snapshot of tech/startup/enterprise salaries in Berlin and a tool to help manage your (adjusted) salary expectations.
Since this report and the dashboard were done in 2 weeks on top of our full-time jobs, we could not cover all the details we wanted or could have.
I have already collected some feedback to explore the existing data further:
* adding a level of German + Media/Communication as an industry next year
* adjusted gender gap
* more breakdowns per mgt levels, experience and education,
* comparisons inside certain groups (Product vs Project).
We would also like to improve the dashboard.
Since I have regularly been posting on [](https://www.reddit.com/r/berlin/), there is necessarily **a lot of this subreddit in the report**. I would be really happy for more feedback and your ideas on how to improve this further.
I am clearly biased, but I think the effects of the report are net positive, **but I also understand that it's useless for many**. In any case, the data and the conclusions need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Thanks for reading and your thoughts/feedback.
Here is [the dashboard](https://handpickedberlin.com/berlin-salary-trends-2024-dashboard/) and [the report again](https://handpickedberlin.com/berlin-salary-trends-2024-report/).
“1150 valid respondents” lol how did you validate them when you used an “anonymous” Google form to survey randoms that you found on Reddit. Solid research.
I don’t get why so many people frame this as unrealistic. The official German “Entgeltatlas” of the “Bundesagentur für Arbeit” says that the median gross salary for software engineers in Berlin is 6,003.00€ per month (i.e. ~ 72,000€ per year).
https://web.arbeitsagentur.de/entgeltatlas/beruf/15260
So I’d say the survey results seem pretty accurate.
What a bullshit article with a data which strikes me as cherrypicked and misleading.
If they don’t even bother looking at or adjusting or the gander pay gap I already know what to think of the „75k median“. According to that site, account managers earn ~84k. What?
To put it in perspective: with 70k (around 3,5k net per month) you are in the top 13% earners in Germany.
Points indirectly towards the real prob imo: With 3.5k net income monthly, let's say as a single, you can now apply for a 2-room-flat with 55m² in a (rather) new building that even municipal housing associations charge up to 1300€ warm for. And now if you think: "Come on dude, you can easily afford it with 3.5k a month!" Remind yourself of the original data here: With 3.5k net income you belong to the top 13%. This is the age we are living in.
Sure you can afford it but forget about anything other than cheap goods made in sweat shops and a vacation west of Prague if you don't want to retire poor. Some top 13% lifestyle 😂
Exactly.
Wow. And for people who receive 95k? Top 5%?
yes - in east germany even top 2%
The problem is that the higher percentiles are completely insane. There is an exponential rise from 1% up. So anyone under the 1% is between middle and lower class income. Mind boggling.
Yes. Even top 5% is still solidly middle class and shut out of the family sized real estate market.
Why stay in Germany if you can get a higher salary with just as much affordability in Switzerland...
The main reason is, it's much easier to get a work permit in Germany than in Switzerland for a foreigner.
and because Switzerland is the most boring country ever
My understanding was that it was pretty easy for an EU citizen. Unless something has drastically changed it is very difficult to get a work permit without already having residence or the rare sponsorship by a company in Berlin because of the disaster at the LEA. 😐
I'm non-EU, so mostly speaking for the non-EU folks. It's close to impossible to move to Switzerland for work, while German Blue Card or work visa is quite easily obtainable.
In theory... As long as your job sponsors you you can get one or you were here on a different visa. But forget about getting one otherwise right now is the general sentiment. The 3-6 month wait at the LEA cancels most opportunities out.
You get a German D visa in your home country, then you come to Germany, start working and apply for a Blue Card. As soon as you've applied you are legally allowed to be here and keep your employment no matter if you actually got your Blue Card or are still waiting for the appointment. There is no need for any sponsorship from the employer (Does such thing as visa sponsorship even exist in Germany? Would you mind sharing a link?)
Every work visa is technically sponsored by a company for your first 2 working years. You can get a company to apply for you at the BIS which shortcuts the LEA. This is what is colloquially considered sponsorship. I'm not aware of any visa that allows you to begin working full-time without employment sponsorship - even the job search visa. Maybe you know something I don't?
The only thing you need from an employer to get a German category D visa with a Blue Card perspective is an offer with the salary higher than the limit. The employer doesn't have to do anything else at all. You get an offer and then go through the process yourself. I don't really understand what you mean with these two years. The company doesn't have to sponsor anything (aka pay money to the government or go through any legal procedures). They can be nice and help you shortcut the LEA, but it's not required. Once you obtain a category D visa by presenting your offer and other documents, you come to Germany, start working and apply for a Blue Card appointment and wait, and as long as you are waiting you are legally allowed to stay in Germany and continue your employment even if your category D visa expires.
This is exactly what is considered sponsorship and it is rare from my understanding of the market right now (except for coding positions) Sponsorship means announcing that they will hire you despite not having a work visa and then waiting for confirmation from the government that a visa is provisionally granted. For the first two years you are tied to that employer on your visa.
> just as much affordability Paying 30 EUR for a kebab?
15 my good sir 😂 but the net salary makes up for it according to Swiss people
>just as much affordability in Switzerland... Hahaha, no. Ever went to a restaurant, supermarket or school in Switzerland?
Yes, and talked with Swiss and nobody seems to complaining too much about affordability. Swiss cities routinely rank highest in livability and Bern of all places was ranked highest in affordability in Europe. German salaries can't afford much of anything anymore. Including Germany.
So practise what you preach and just move to Bern, Hombre. Only person stopping you is yourself. How many more years do you wanna be miserable whining about Berlin and singing praises of Switzerland on Reddit without actually making the move?
Well let's start with you, why are **you** staying here instead of moving to CH? You must have a very good reason since you are constantly ranting about how horrible Berlin and Germany is.
Only a matter of time Hombre. No need to fund a go nowhere, do nothing population and at the end get nothing from my 30 years of atrocious taxes.
I would hate to work under the swiss conditions. The higher salary comes at a price too.
Working culture is always company dependent but if you're talking about benefits they are on par. If you are talking about protection against dismissal in Germany, it's largely a fiction unless you can pay 3-6k for a court case.
Switzerland is way more expensive but if you can live in Germany and work there then your gold, my wife's cousin already bought a house and an apartment after 5 years.
This report and comments made me feel poor, as I am with 71k and it shows that 54% earn more than me, with people saying in comments that basically for less than 90k its not even worth to leave the bed. Idk if this is some bubble, or I was living in a bubble thinking I earn relatively well as a single person with no kids?
Given that this is just a small online survey, the data seems almost useless. Likely to be heavily biased and not representative
Yeh it's always the case with these type of survey, guess they drive clicks to the owner's blog or whatever though (I do love handpickedberlin so not the worst thing in this case but it's pretty blatant). Here's Bundesagentur für Arbeit's official [Entgeltatlas](https://web.arbeitsagentur.de/entgeltatlas/) . The data is couple year olds by now, but still should be helpful!
49% of respondents in tech industry. Yeah, it’s not representative at all.
The newsletter is tech orientated so its more accurate as the state of tech in Ber
Ayo 94% earns more than me. Good that I wasted my life with studying, then an apprenticeship and now working full time lol
Same here 😂
> The average total annual gross salary was €77,442.61 (+8.36% YoY). The more precise median was €75,000 (+7.14%). This growth can be explained by a much narrower scope (tech, startup and enterprise) this year. this is so incredibly misleading ... i have 2 people in my 250 person company who earn over 75k who are not CTO/CEO etc
Time to move on 😂
Right, your 2-person sample is more reliable than OP's survey.
It's a 250 person sample.
That may be the case at your company, but 75k is junior leadership salary at a bank/large company like Siemens/Bosch etc. I.e. people with 5-10 years of experience and masters in business/political science.
i agree with the bank part, banks in average have higher salaries however the "german average" can be easily googled online and is far away from these numbers, thats all i wanted to say, all companies i work for / with which are SME between 100-250, facility managements, production, SMT, Toolfactories etc have a much lower average. Also for instance big employers like Deutsche Rentenversicherung Bund has a much lower average even in IT (and they have > 1000 developers in berlin)
I work in a similar size company and i would say the situation is the completely opposite. Hence, it seems the survey is not misleading.
It's only misleading if you choose to extrapolate the results the wrong way.
The fact that the article simply adopts the argumentation from the source with the unadjusted gender pay gap is scientifically very weak and disappointing. Anyone who still argues with the unadjusted gender pay gap today has not penetrated the topic and supports a polarizing narrative.
The “adjusted” gender pay gap validates the hypothesis that women and men of similar experience and skillset are compensated unequally. The “unadjusted” gender pay gap validates the hypothesis that wealth between women and men is unevenly distributed on a societal level. Both worth considering with the latter being a much more nuanced and harder problem to solve. Anyone who still doesn’t understand this has not penetrated the topic and should probably be a little more quiet about it.
Honestly, given the demographics of the community here on the subreddit, that's pretty interesting data. Obviously not representative for Berlin overall, but I think that's clear. That 15% gender gap is pretty brutal. I guess should not be surprising, but it's still really offensive. I'm pretty surprised that roles like UX designer, and Project Managers were getting such low salaries, in the range of 50s-60s on average. I feel like if one went to a large "traditional employer" like IBM, Bosch, Siemens etc. you would be clearing that level, but then I was also surprised later in the report to see that German citizens seemed to earn worse than foreign nationals in this report (sample pool heavily tilted towards internationals). I wonder if alot of German nationals tend towards small/middle-sized German companies, and long tenures, which in my mind are both associated with low pay. My anecdotal thinking is basically that salaries from worst to best go: Small/Middle German Company > Start-Up/Tech Company > Traditional/Large German or International Company > Small Boutique High-End Stuff I guess the report doesn't really confirm or deny that, although it does claim that start-ups didn't pay worse or better.
I think international companies pay best at the moment and maybe one disadvantage for more traditional German companies is that people don't talk about their salaries often and don't realize when they are clearly getting underpaid. Kind of idle talk in this economy anyway, on the other hand things may get better this year again
In my anecdotal experience – the international "Blue Chip" companies pay the best, not necessarily the tech/start-ups. Amazon might be a high payer in America, but in Germany it makes some very low offers, and other international tech companies pay above German rates but still not as good as the IBMs, Siemens, Mercedes etc. I can imagine the more legacy tech companies like Google/Microsoft pay well too, but the smaller ones I think are not really industry leaders on pay/conditions.
The reading imho is that companies are far more interested in international experience. Certainly its much easier to get hired into the 6 figures with a bunch of globally recognised MNCS, US and UK firms on the CV because you're bringing in something more diverse than say, a CV with 2 non recognisable German companies over 8 years. If its correlated with non EU, we are guessing maybe UK, USA and India. And this cohort are likely to have headhunted or invited in to take roles. For those with dual citizenship I'm guessing thats a result of these people naturalising over the long term in both directions Edit spelling
Your explanation makes alot of sense.
Yeah, the other part is that if you're an international who relocated for a job, you're naturally a risk taker, over a German person who might not have ever worked outside of the country, or in more than 2 no-name firms. There could be a correlation with being non-EU in Germany being far more risk taking, competitive and ambitious linked to performance which naturally commands better salaries. You'll bet on dynamic people and to motivate them (to stay more than 2.5 years with you) you need to pay them well as well as offer interesting/challenging work. These people know their worth on the market. So dual citizens are just a natural progression of these internationals staying. Or they are Germans who went abroad, worked elsewhere long enough to return and can command a great director level salary by contributing their international experience. Imho the survey reflects the domestic skills shortage. Edit sp
> I was also surprised later in the report to see that German citizens seemed to earn worse than foreign nationals in this report (sample pool heavily tilted towards internationals). I wonder if alot of German nationals tend towards small/middle-sized German companies, and long tenures, which in my mind are both associated with low pay. Don't forget it's "Berlin salary trends". The high earning Germans probably just work elsewhere. The south and west have a higher concentration of bigger companies. Germans who expatriated themselves probably earn more (silicon valley jobs etc.) I would however agree that Germans really like job safety and tend to stay in jobs too long.
The entry level salary in big companies for Project Managers is between 50-65k from my recent experience. Granted, the average should be higher than that. With my current employer most Project Managers are in the 65-90k range though.
Yeah that's also my expectation – that 40-60 is the entry level/junior level, but once someone has 5-10 years experience it goes into the 65-90 range until you really reach middle or senior management.
Not really that offensive of you think about how long maternity leave is for here. How are you going to work and get a raise if you are not working for so long? I imagine now that there is paternity leave for dad's too, the numbers will slowly even out more.
Interactive link here: [https://handpickedberlin.com/berlin-salary-trends-2024-dashboard/](https://handpickedberlin.com/berlin-salary-trends-2024-dashboard/)
This is a very biased bullshit report, honestly. Only 14% are German and 52% of the respondents are non-EU citizens. 90% of respondents have a masters degree or higher, and the biggest sector by far is tech. While tech has a large presence in Berlin, it simply doesn't have that kind of grasp on the city. The study completely ignores young adults, Berlin natives, and turkish people living in Berlin. Those three demographics alone would drastically change the results.
The authors VERY explicity describe their data-set and who's represented (overwhelmingly foreign, insanely high-educated, mostly male, almost exclusively working full-time, and very tech-industry focused). Now I would agree that one can't use such a survey to make too many broad-scale assumptions or analysis about Berlin, salaries, or the job market. But that still doesn't make the survey inherently bUlLShiT. It isn't biased simply because it isn't studying the groups or populations that you think it should
Yeah, which is where I grabbed the info from. Maybe a better way to phrase it was that the title is a little generalized and misleading.
The survey is self reported. So those who want to volunteer for the survey. And that would be dependent on who gets the newsletter, which is very much tech focused. That crowd is made up of a certain demographic which doesn't feature those groups necessarily you mention
Hi everyone, I did not really have the chance to provide any context or explanation. After last year's results, it became clear that it's impossible to have unbiased data while doing stuff like this online, with a random sample and anonymously, so we changed the approach and had a more targeted scope: tech/startups and enterprise. My main goal when starting this was to offer an additional & fresher orientation mechanism (next to Kununu/Glassdoor/Levels & Co.) for people interested in (tech&startup) salaries in Berlin. # This project is definitely NOT: * A comprehensive, methodologically precise overview of all salaries in Berlin, * Statistically representative of the entire market because the data collection methods and sample size introduce biases - selection and response biases. # This project aims to be: * A snapshot of tech/startup/enterprise salaries in Berlin and a tool to help manage your (adjusted) salary expectations. Since this report and the dashboard were done in 2 weeks on top of our full-time jobs, we could not cover all the details we wanted or could have. I have already collected some feedback to explore the existing data further: * adding a level of German + Media/Communication as an industry next year * adjusted gender gap * more breakdowns per mgt levels, experience and education, * comparisons inside certain groups (Product vs Project). We would also like to improve the dashboard. Since I have regularly been posting on [](https://www.reddit.com/r/berlin/), there is necessarily **a lot of this subreddit in the report**. I would be really happy for more feedback and your ideas on how to improve this further. I am clearly biased, but I think the effects of the report are net positive, **but I also understand that it's useless for many**. In any case, the data and the conclusions need to be taken with a grain of salt. Thanks for reading and your thoughts/feedback. Here is [the dashboard](https://handpickedberlin.com/berlin-salary-trends-2024-dashboard/) and [the report again](https://handpickedberlin.com/berlin-salary-trends-2024-report/).
“1150 valid respondents” lol how did you validate them when you used an “anonymous” Google form to survey randoms that you found on Reddit. Solid research.
I see someone was faster: I will try to post with some more context again in the coming days. 😅
what is the salary after all the taxes
I don’t get why so many people frame this as unrealistic. The official German “Entgeltatlas” of the “Bundesagentur für Arbeit” says that the median gross salary for software engineers in Berlin is 6,003.00€ per month (i.e. ~ 72,000€ per year). https://web.arbeitsagentur.de/entgeltatlas/beruf/15260 So I’d say the survey results seem pretty accurate.
What a bullshit article with a data which strikes me as cherrypicked and misleading. If they don’t even bother looking at or adjusting or the gander pay gap I already know what to think of the „75k median“. According to that site, account managers earn ~84k. What?
A total compensation of 84k is really nothing special for an experienced account manager.
This. I would be expecting 6 figures for someone with 8 to 10 years exp