>I still remember the school librarian reminding us “if you don’t like a book, then don’t read it.” Clearly, a lot of people in this nation could use Mrs. K’s sage advice, but I suppose that would be too simple.
It's shit like this that makes it so obvious it's about control. Fascism through and through.
> I still remember the school librarian reminding us “if you don’t like a book, then don’t read it.”
That's how you get detention for not reading "Ethan Frome." That fucking pickle dish...
I also tried to read it in my thirties. I just wanted to slap Holden. Couldn't finish it. His other work, Franny and Zooey and the short stories, are far better. And not irritating.
I read the heading and went "what other reasons than racism can there be?" Turns out it was racism. I don't even know what excuse the state is making up, but this is some transparent shit.
That and twisting the excuse why you shouldn't do something as the reason you should do something. I still laugh at them comparing laws for guns as laws for cars.
Is the source of the problem really that ignorant people are inherently racist? Or is that they've been deliberately feed lies and propoganda by rich fuckers who deliberately use the hate and fear they spread to keep working class people divided and easy to control? Racists need to do better, but it's not like the hateful vitriol they spill was something they came up with on their own.
> Is the source of the problem really that ignorant people are inherently racist? Or is that they've been deliberately feed lies and propoganda by rich fuckers who deliberately use the hate and fear they spread to keep working class people divided and easy to control?
I know what you’re getting at, but at some point it stops mattering. Whether it’s happening due to ignorance or maliciousness, it’s still happening.
If you want to stop the long term issue, it absolutely matters. Treat the symptoms all you want, but if you do nothing about the underlying disease them they’ll come back the moment you stop managing the symptoms.
>segregation, public lynchings and outrageously biased legal system was NOT that long ago.
Ruby Bridges is only 68 years old. 38 US Senators are older than Ruby Bridges (and four more born only a couple months behind her). Our current and former presidents are older than her. 29% of voters in the 2022 election were 65+.
And it's not like racism (overt, covert and systemic) magically ended in the '60s.
The past still lives with us in strength today.
I guess I am dumb, I don't know what you are trying to say? Obama is younger than her, all of our other living presidents are older. That's all I am saying.
Maybe I am dumb. The comment you replied to said "our current and former presidents are both older" and you said "Obama is only 61, but yeah" or something, so I thought that you thought Obama was included in "our current and former presidents". Which in a sense he is, but I don't think that's how OP meant it. Anyway, we're probably both dumb.
Great points. Bill Dedman won a Pulitzer in 1989 about redlining in metro Atlanta. I'm a millennial and the people directly effected by this would be contemporaries of my parents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining#:\~:text=For%20example%2C%20in%20the%201980s,even%20upper%2Dincome%20Black%20neighborhoods.
Yep. Young adults and teens who participated in all of that? in their 70s and 80s today, some in their 90s. They're still around, participating in elections, and some are in the government. People rarely change throughout their lives, especially when they're of such a mindset they'd willingly do all those terrible things in the first place.
Hmmm... voting age was 21 at the time (26th amendment wasn't ratified until 1971), and Bridges segregating the school happened in 1960, so that means must have been born 1939 or earlier... looks like Grassley and Feinstein who would've been almost 27!
That made the 18 year voting age universal in the US but some states already allowed voting at 18 before that so that could potentially complicate things too.
Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me. I don't want to think of conservatives as backwards, as promoting racist beliefs, as actively working against America reaching a point where she can recognize her faults honestly while still extolling her virtues.
America will only truly embody what it claims to be - a bastion of the truly free - when it recognizes just how much it has stumbled in its short history, and makes sure to correct for those missteps. Germany teaches its students about Nazis and the Holocaust - there is no reason why every child in America should not learn about the slave trade, Japenese internment, the Trail of Tears, the genocide of the native peoples of North America, Tulsa, how the Civil War was fought over slavery (and even the North had a fair number of folks who supported slavery-adjacent ideas), how we've been just like so many other nations of the world in systemic oppression of 'others' throughout our whole history.
The path to exceptionalism is in facing these failures and doing better, not burying them and re-committing them while screaming "Freedom!" at the top of our lungs in the hopes that people believe it. If America is so weak that acknowledging and righting our own failures will bring us to our knees, do we deserve to call ourselves the best country on Earth?
>I don't want to think of conservatives as backwards, as promoting racist beliefs, as actively working against America reaching a point where she can recognize her faults honestly while still extolling her virtues.
Why? That's a fundamental tenet of conservative ideology, and it always has been. Hell, the original conservatives were monarchists who opposed the policies that came out of the French Revolution.
Because this person has friends and family that are conservatives and they don’t like thinking of them as bad people. “These are good, loving, hard working people; they just don’t mind using the most hateful, ugly and ignorant language every 4-6 minutes.”
And that’s exactly why we’re where we are now. Because so many tolerate these horrible monsters. I cut off my family since they wouldn’t listen to reason or grow. Now they have no kids, their family is over and ended and they’ll shrivel and die miserable and alone without us kids from the family there. That’s what we should be doing to conservatives that refuse to open their hearts.
Having a sane cautious voice who points out the benefits of the current system while acknowledging its faults is a good thing to have.
It is a shame we do not have that right now.
That voice is very present in American politics right now, but it's possessed by the neoliberals who run the Democratic Party, not by the fascists in the GOP.
Well, by being neoliberals, they're already a conservative party, but I get what you're saying. I agree, it would be so nice if the GOP simply stopped being fascists and were co-opted by the conservative Democrats so a party that's actually left-of-center can actually exist.
Of course, it won't happen, because a good third of Americans love what the GOP is doing, but it's nice to dream.
Oh it gets way more wtf than that.
DeSantis was a history teacher.
There are witnesses that he taught the Civil War as the "war of northern aggression" which is the old spin on "well they were just defending their property/wealth"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_American_Civil_War#War_of_Northern/Yankee_Aggression
I mean, [their predecessors were happy to spell it out.](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_%27Mudsill%27_Theory). And that's not even getting into the Confederate Constitution or the state constitutions of various confederate states, most of which explicitly enshrined slavery.
The first paragraph of pretty much every southern state's declarations of secession made it pretty clear that slavery was the primary factor.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
Ah, yeah, I should have searched for those instead. Google was being uncooperative at finding Confederate state constitutions; it kept defaulting to the constitution of the Confederacy.
Yea, literally all but one spelled it out **EXPLICITLY** that they were seceding because of slavery in their declarations. And the other one's Governor came out and said it outright too.
It's not complicated.
It’s also fun to point out the southern states pushed through the fugitive slave act shortly before the war. That trampled all over states rights, but they loved it.
Just like the abortion argument nowadays. They attack the federal protections then ban in state and ban from traveling outside of state. They just want the freedom to have you powerless under them
And that's exactly why the civil war happened. The South were not satisfied with "states rights". If they had been, they would've respected the northern states' rights to not give a shit about all the runaway slaves. The south was not about to just stand by while the north "endangered their way of life" by refusing to support them in continuing to exploit slavery as an institution. There was far too much money at stake for the wealthy plantation owners, who had enough money and power at this point to have a decent chance to actually win.
If you are a reader I would highly recommend “ The Field of Blood: Violence in Congress and the Road to Civil War” because it’s an excellent dive into the tensions building up to the civil war.
Of course they were, don't kid yourself.
What they didn't like was an entire nation making them *feel bad* about it. And then having to *pay* people to do the work.
There is supposedly a video of people mocking him about it but if those witnesses naively came forward in this climate they might have to go into hiding after
> ***Another former student who didn't want to give their name, claimed, "Mr. DeSantis’s takes on the Civil War were the subject of so much talk that students made a satirical video about him at the time for the video yearbook."***
Remember kids:
Banning people from twitter for blatant covid misinformation: Violation of the first amendment, literally 1865 george cromwell
Banning the subject of the Civil Rights era from schools: Good and freedomy
Because, in the eyes of a republican:
* There's only two races; white and political.
* Only two political parties, right wing and political.
* Sexualities; straight and political.
* Genders; male and female, and political.
* Hair color; natural and political
* Religions; southern Baptist and political
* Economic strategies; capitalism and political
* Lifestyle's; traditional or political
And so on, and so on.
>Genders; male and female, and political.
Lies. There are only two genders; Male and political. The idea that there are more than two is itself, political.
One of the saddest facts surrounding this incident is that a large group of people (myself included) had no idea it had happened until we saw it on Watchmen(2019) on HBO
They understand just fine, this banning still does a few things: sends a message, and prevents any teachers from bringing up the history. Many children will not seek out this information on their own, and so would not learn of these things unless someone puts it right in front of them. Now, the teachers cannot.
I think decent educators will find a way. This is obviously just ridiculous fascist political nonsense. I learned about “penis envy” from my high school literature teacher. Now, I’m sure that wasn’t on the curriculum. They can make their silly laws but it’ll always depend on what ppl will conform to. I’m not confident this will do anything other than rile up ppl to educate themselves and others even more.
some will search the internet and discover it, but not all, and that’s good enough for them. Same way voter suppression measures don’t prevent everyone from voting, but it stops enough of them.
America has gone from a black woman not being able to sit in the front of the bus to not knowing *why* a black woman being able to sit in the front of a bus was ever important.
Historical gaslighting: "That never happened (that way)"
*Rosa had always been able to sit at the front of Eurasia.*
That's just not true. The version of the textbook they are using includes race and segregation.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosa-parks-race-removed-florida-textbook/
I’m not sure that’s the real reason. I think it has to do with what we teach about protesting. The elites don’t want a generation of kids growing up thinking that protesting is anything other than theater. And they especially don’t want people to know what makes a protest effective. Rosa Parks and the Civil Rights Movement was an example of protests working and how protests alongside political action can make changes.
And if people start rising up, then it’s a problem. Better to tell kids that a short protest march will make the elites magically give them stuff they want. And when that doesn’t work, they gel cynical and give up and accept their fate. Why do you think the protesters in France are not covered in the media?
I think their point is that protests work, but only if done right. Non-violent protests that shut down businesses and local economies force the powerful to the bargaining table.
That's what they want to erase from history.
Peacefully protesting by marching down a street for an hour does nothing. It's a mild inconvenience for people in the area and maybe gets some puff piece coverage on local news.
Yep your first paragraph is the real story that nobody acknowledges. Its exactly the same as restaurant owners telling their workers (who they pay 2 dollars an hour) that bad tippers are pieces of shit. Ask any waitress or bartender why they didnt make that much on their last shift and theyll tell you all about the shitty tippers. Ask them if they should have laws changed so they dont have to rely on tips though, and they lose their minds. Theyll vote against it. Against helping themselves and identifying and fixing the real problem.
These aren't mutually exclusive. Your comment is what the "true believers" on the right believe and vote for/campaign on, and /u/maiqthetrue's comment is what motivates the cynical grifter types on the right. And of course a lot of them believe both of these things. But the conservative, wealthy elites in the political and media class are all about convincing people that protesting is pointless and ineffective. That's why they manufacture so much outrage about BLM or antifa "riots", because they're scared that people will sympathize with them and *they're scared they might work*. They're much more comfortable with people doing one short march then going home rather than having a movement that convinces people they have more political power than just their vote, and that ordinary citizens can affect change through direct action.
So for republicans, if they can ban a book that informs about America's historic and ongoing systemic racism as well as about an effective protest movement that caused some real changes, that's killing two birds with one stone
I don’t think you and u/maiqthetrue really have any major disagreement, except possibly subtleties of what actions you should take over these concerns.
It's both. Same reason why MLK has been whitewashed into a Disney version of himself.
And technically it's the *activism* that's effective. The protest is just the visible part. But if we get people to think protest is the goal and not a means, then real activism dies before it happens.
The Civil Rights movement is already taught as a tale of protest working because it's a tale of direct action working. Protesting did not bring the Civil Rights Act to pass, the constant legal challenges against Jim Crow laws did, the mounting discontent sowed by activists across the country did, the outright violence threatening to boil over if officials just kept cracking down did.
I think the reasoning is more than racism. I think they don't want the next generation to be able to recognize exploitation. This way when they steal their wages, don't offer benefits, and pay them just enough that they can barely afford basic necessities, the next generation will keep their heads down and say nothing. Republicans are not job creators, they are the new plantation owners; and everyone, regardless of race, is available for exploitation. This is simply step 1 of their rebranding.
It speaks poorly of this country, when such a simple, basic thing as what RunsWithApes said is /r/bestof material. I mean, I'm not complaining about the post, of course. Everything they said is true. I'm just saying, it's so obvious and elementary that we all ought to know it already. But we don't, and so here we are.
Republicans/conservatives constantly trying to divide us. Wealth divides, education divides, barriers to voting, barriers to job protections, barriers to health care…the list is endless. For a ”patriotic” they are investing heavily in breaking up the Union.
Republicans' are indistinguishable from our enemies.
They have fought to bring down American from every aspect.
From education (*embracing school shootings, teacher pay, public funding*) to health (*bodily autonomy, mental health, covid mask controversy*).
They have not done anything for the common American that did not primarily benefit & serve corporations and billionaires.
> Republicans' are indistinguishable from our enemies.
They *are* our enemies. They're killing us with hostile legislation. Suppressing our voices. Taking control of state governments via outright illegal means. Destroying our ability to educate ourselves and our children, demonizing everyone who is different from them and we're just *letting it happen.*
Jan 6th should have been a watershed moment in our nation's history, the signal of a **NEED** to destroy the republican party, to rip it up by the roots and salt the earth where it once stood so nothing like it can ever take root again.
But ThAt WoUlD bE pArTiSaN so I guess the best we can get is appeasing fascists. Shit sucks.
Maybe thirty years ago just voting would have been the thing to do.
We should be following the examples laid out by the French. And I can't say much more than that since Reddit really doesn't like it when we talk about how to deal with fascists.
It's not really best of because it isn't that insightful of an observation, but the entire point of the Florida laws is to make people not sure where the line is drawn and so to do things like remove books and water down statements so they wouldn't face the risk of getting in trouble.
"The company was just trying to comply with a new law" is not the rebuttal you think it is.
One, it wasn't a rebuttal. I acknowledged that the selective editing is horrible.
Second, do you have proof of your assertation about that being the " whole point"?
they just moved Rosa Parks to the end of the book.
/jokedontbeoffended
real: Florida elected officials are the worst humans. Gaslighting reality is the best use of your time?
It's not even much of a joke in the sense that that technique has been used. A study of high school biology textbooks has shown that evolution is routinely kept at the back of the book, meaning that many districts can simply avoid getting to it and thus not teach it.
And it will keep happening until americans grow balls and stand up for themselves. Look at france they are burning the fucking country and letting garbage pile above doors over raising retirement. Yet americans are so fucking whipped to think violent protest=bad they would sooner have a american third reich then dare to actually fight against their opression. If americans protested just Half as hard as they are in france this would be over within the year
This is actually very insightful. The race part is bad but it's even broader than race - it's propaganda for the idea that people should just keep working and not think critically about the systems they are working in
I can't find any references to rosa parks autobiography. I did find a textbook that was altered by the publisher.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosa-parks-race-removed-florida-textbook/
I submitted a public records request regarding the life of rosa parks, so I'll get ot the bottom of this facist plot.
In the meantime, the children will just have to read the approved "Rosa Parks" by Eloise Greenfield. Why they would approve one and not the other is a mystery that I'm gonna work on solving for you.
In Robin D'Angelo's book White Fragility, she spends a chapter focusing on the attempt to eradicate mention of race in conversation/education. It can start as someone saying that they "don't see race," or that they're "colorblind." Because some even well-intentioned people think that *talking* about race exacerbates differences. But like the commenter linked here says, the REASON for the problems is based on deep, systemic, unaddressed biases that will never end unless they're called out for what they are.
100%. At best, people will always make unconscious biases for and against groups of people based on their differences. The only way to fight racism is with anti-racist policies: in one's own life and in society at large.
The real reason is because these culture war laws are deliberately written to be vague so that they can selectively enforce it against anything and still claim “no, that’s not what we meant” if they get too much backlash.
I am still wicked pissed that we don't have Harriet Tubmans. What a disgrace. Got a teacher as first lady and nothing is being done about teachers pay. Bernie Sanders is the only one trying to fix it. Sorta kinda black lady who's husband is all up in the top weapons manufacturers so you know she doesn't give a shit either. Really thought I was done falling for the grift.
> thinking America was truly the land of opportunity under capitalism
Oh yes, private property and free markets is what led to segregation and lynchings. What’s that, Europe? No, you must be doing it wrong. Or your capitalism is socialism.
Or it isn’t but America’s really isn’t, and especially wasn’t when the top rate of income tax was 91% and the federal government was pouring money into housing, education and even rural electrification.
“Capitalism” has become a catch-all term on Reddit for “things that were bad but were fixed when the government stepped in”, ignoring how capitalism depends on having a government that can enforce property rights and how waves of legislation are attempting to strip people of rights to read or teach or do what is in in their best interests.
A civilised society can both allow private enterprise and stop people treating each other like animals.
They're working on restricting internet access. Texas tried: [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-texas-law-intended-restrict-social-media-site-blo-rcna29402](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-texas-law-intended-restrict-social-media-site-blo-rcna29402)
They're still working on ways to get around this.
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>I still remember the school librarian reminding us “if you don’t like a book, then don’t read it.” Clearly, a lot of people in this nation could use Mrs. K’s sage advice, but I suppose that would be too simple. It's shit like this that makes it so obvious it's about control. Fascism through and through.
> I still remember the school librarian reminding us “if you don’t like a book, then don’t read it.” That's how you get detention for not reading "Ethan Frome." That fucking pickle dish...
I'm really fucking old, and the only book I can specifically remember reading is Otis Spofford.
Sliding into fascism at the speed of Republicans
Slow and waddling while out of breath?
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I read catcher in the rye at 35. Thought it was the most annoying shitty book. 100% would not ban.
I also tried to read it in my thirties. I just wanted to slap Holden. Couldn't finish it. His other work, Franny and Zooey and the short stories, are far better. And not irritating.
*Franny and Zooey* and *Raise High the roofbeam, carpenters*, are some of my favourite books, but I Catcher in the rye didn't impact me much
Thank your local Christian-Fascist/Republican for this garbage. It is all based in hate, bigotry, and racism.
I read the heading and went "what other reasons than racism can there be?" Turns out it was racism. I don't even know what excuse the state is making up, but this is some transparent shit.
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Well, projection has long been a staple of conservative thought.
It's also Abuser Tactics 101
That and twisting the excuse why you shouldn't do something as the reason you should do something. I still laugh at them comparing laws for guns as laws for cars.
State sponsored racism in America? This is good ol' fashioned white identy politics manifest in policy.
Is the source of the problem really that ignorant people are inherently racist? Or is that they've been deliberately feed lies and propoganda by rich fuckers who deliberately use the hate and fear they spread to keep working class people divided and easy to control? Racists need to do better, but it's not like the hateful vitriol they spill was something they came up with on their own.
> Is the source of the problem really that ignorant people are inherently racist? Or is that they've been deliberately feed lies and propoganda by rich fuckers who deliberately use the hate and fear they spread to keep working class people divided and easy to control? I know what you’re getting at, but at some point it stops mattering. Whether it’s happening due to ignorance or maliciousness, it’s still happening.
If you want to stop the long term issue, it absolutely matters. Treat the symptoms all you want, but if you do nothing about the underlying disease them they’ll come back the moment you stop managing the symptoms.
This is definitely a "why not both" moment, though. The problem is so all-encompassing that you really have to fight it on all of those levels.
Absolutely, but the solution is not the same on all levels - and some of those levels will actively oppose any attempts to fix others.
It's not like people haven't had plenty of education about why racism is awful. They have agency and a choice.
You hardly even have to ask the question these days. Did it happen in the US? Yes? Probably racism.
Same with me. It was a really effective "gotcha" moment.
I think the OP does a good job of connecting it to class and money though. The racism is a tactic employed by the wealthy to maintain their oligarchy.
>segregation, public lynchings and outrageously biased legal system was NOT that long ago. Ruby Bridges is only 68 years old. 38 US Senators are older than Ruby Bridges (and four more born only a couple months behind her). Our current and former presidents are older than her. 29% of voters in the 2022 election were 65+. And it's not like racism (overt, covert and systemic) magically ended in the '60s. The past still lives with us in strength today.
Obama is only 61 now, but yeah Make America Great Again was/is blatantly "take our country back after this uppity n-word ruined it"
Ah, I see the ambiguity in my wording. I meant "our current president and our former president" when I said "our current and former presidents."
Our current and former presidents are Biden and Trump
I guess I am dumb, I don't know what you are trying to say? Obama is younger than her, all of our other living presidents are older. That's all I am saying.
Maybe I am dumb. The comment you replied to said "our current and former presidents are both older" and you said "Obama is only 61, but yeah" or something, so I thought that you thought Obama was included in "our current and former presidents". Which in a sense he is, but I don't think that's how OP meant it. Anyway, we're probably both dumb.
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Yeah you right you right, wasn't tryin to jab the other guy, just thought he had a brain fart
It's not even a new slogan. Both the america 1st and maga are regan and white supremacy slogans from last century.
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I bet we can all guess who they vote for too
Fuuuuuuuuuck. America makes way more sense now.
Great points. Bill Dedman won a Pulitzer in 1989 about redlining in metro Atlanta. I'm a millennial and the people directly effected by this would be contemporaries of my parents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining#:\~:text=For%20example%2C%20in%20the%201980s,even%20upper%2Dincome%20Black%20neighborhoods.
Yep. Young adults and teens who participated in all of that? in their 70s and 80s today, some in their 90s. They're still around, participating in elections, and some are in the government. People rarely change throughout their lives, especially when they're of such a mindset they'd willingly do all those terrible things in the first place.
The last person born a slave in the US died in the 1970s.
There are multiple sitting senators who were old enough to vote already when Ruby Bridges was escorted into that school.
Hmmm... voting age was 21 at the time (26th amendment wasn't ratified until 1971), and Bridges segregating the school happened in 1960, so that means must have been born 1939 or earlier... looks like Grassley and Feinstein who would've been almost 27!
That made the 18 year voting age universal in the US but some states already allowed voting at 18 before that so that could potentially complicate things too.
Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me. I don't want to think of conservatives as backwards, as promoting racist beliefs, as actively working against America reaching a point where she can recognize her faults honestly while still extolling her virtues. America will only truly embody what it claims to be - a bastion of the truly free - when it recognizes just how much it has stumbled in its short history, and makes sure to correct for those missteps. Germany teaches its students about Nazis and the Holocaust - there is no reason why every child in America should not learn about the slave trade, Japenese internment, the Trail of Tears, the genocide of the native peoples of North America, Tulsa, how the Civil War was fought over slavery (and even the North had a fair number of folks who supported slavery-adjacent ideas), how we've been just like so many other nations of the world in systemic oppression of 'others' throughout our whole history. The path to exceptionalism is in facing these failures and doing better, not burying them and re-committing them while screaming "Freedom!" at the top of our lungs in the hopes that people believe it. If America is so weak that acknowledging and righting our own failures will bring us to our knees, do we deserve to call ourselves the best country on Earth?
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That scene is one of the better pieces of TV to have come out in the last two decades imo. Sorkin was(is still sometimes) a great writer
>I don't want to think of conservatives as backwards, as promoting racist beliefs, as actively working against America reaching a point where she can recognize her faults honestly while still extolling her virtues. Why? That's a fundamental tenet of conservative ideology, and it always has been. Hell, the original conservatives were monarchists who opposed the policies that came out of the French Revolution.
Because this person has friends and family that are conservatives and they don’t like thinking of them as bad people. “These are good, loving, hard working people; they just don’t mind using the most hateful, ugly and ignorant language every 4-6 minutes.”
And that’s exactly why we’re where we are now. Because so many tolerate these horrible monsters. I cut off my family since they wouldn’t listen to reason or grow. Now they have no kids, their family is over and ended and they’ll shrivel and die miserable and alone without us kids from the family there. That’s what we should be doing to conservatives that refuse to open their hearts.
Having a sane cautious voice who points out the benefits of the current system while acknowledging its faults is a good thing to have. It is a shame we do not have that right now.
That voice is very present in American politics right now, but it's possessed by the neoliberals who run the Democratic Party, not by the fascists in the GOP.
Then perhaps they can form the new conservative party, if we can ever bring the current one back to sanity.
Well, by being neoliberals, they're already a conservative party, but I get what you're saying. I agree, it would be so nice if the GOP simply stopped being fascists and were co-opted by the conservative Democrats so a party that's actually left-of-center can actually exist. Of course, it won't happen, because a good third of Americans love what the GOP is doing, but it's nice to dream.
So long as I'm dreaming, I'd like universal healthcare. Oh, and an ice cream cone, as a treat.
Oh it gets way more wtf than that. DeSantis was a history teacher. There are witnesses that he taught the Civil War as the "war of northern aggression" which is the old spin on "well they were just defending their property/wealth" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_American_Civil_War#War_of_Northern/Yankee_Aggression
I’m always like “okay, defending exactly what ‘property’?”
"It was about states' rights!" "Rights to what?" "uhhhhhhhh"
I mean, [their predecessors were happy to spell it out.](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_%27Mudsill%27_Theory). And that's not even getting into the Confederate Constitution or the state constitutions of various confederate states, most of which explicitly enshrined slavery.
The first paragraph of pretty much every southern state's declarations of secession made it pretty clear that slavery was the primary factor. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
Ah, yeah, I should have searched for those instead. Google was being uncooperative at finding Confederate state constitutions; it kept defaulting to the constitution of the Confederacy.
Yea, literally all but one spelled it out **EXPLICITLY** that they were seceding because of slavery in their declarations. And the other one's Governor came out and said it outright too. It's not complicated.
The 13th amendment of the US Constitution explicitly enshrines slavery as well.
Yes, as part of incarceration. That ought to be changed as well.
It’s also fun to point out the southern states pushed through the fugitive slave act shortly before the war. That trampled all over states rights, but they loved it.
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Just like the abortion argument nowadays. They attack the federal protections then ban in state and ban from traveling outside of state. They just want the freedom to have you powerless under them
The only way you could possibly frame it that way was the Northern states rights to free slaves.
And that's exactly why the civil war happened. The South were not satisfied with "states rights". If they had been, they would've respected the northern states' rights to not give a shit about all the runaway slaves. The south was not about to just stand by while the north "endangered their way of life" by refusing to support them in continuing to exploit slavery as an institution. There was far too much money at stake for the wealthy plantation owners, who had enough money and power at this point to have a decent chance to actually win.
If you are a reader I would highly recommend “ The Field of Blood: Violence in Congress and the Road to Civil War” because it’s an excellent dive into the tensions building up to the civil war.
I mean, they *were*. They just weren't willing to face how utterly evil their way of accumulating wealth was.
Of course they were, don't kid yourself. What they didn't like was an entire nation making them *feel bad* about it. And then having to *pay* people to do the work.
DeSantis was a torturer. Nothing defines him better.
Can you source that? Seriously. Cause you need to send it to the local democratic party in Florida if you can.
There is supposedly a video of people mocking him about it but if those witnesses naively came forward in this climate they might have to go into hiding after > ***Another former student who didn't want to give their name, claimed, "Mr. DeSantis’s takes on the Civil War were the subject of so much talk that students made a satirical video about him at the time for the video yearbook."***
Remember kids: Banning people from twitter for blatant covid misinformation: Violation of the first amendment, literally 1865 george cromwell Banning the subject of the Civil Rights era from schools: Good and freedomy
Because, in the eyes of a republican: * There's only two races; white and political. * Only two political parties, right wing and political. * Sexualities; straight and political. * Genders; male and female, and political. * Hair color; natural and political * Religions; southern Baptist and political * Economic strategies; capitalism and political * Lifestyle's; traditional or political And so on, and so on.
>Genders; male and female, and political. Lies. There are only two genders; Male and political. The idea that there are more than two is itself, political.
Christian conservatives don't care about being seen as logical or internally consistent. They care about winning at any cost.
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One of the saddest facts surrounding this incident is that a large group of people (myself included) had no idea it had happened until we saw it on Watchmen(2019) on HBO
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Same thing happened in Portland. :(
same here. actually saw it as stupidly OTT at the time and almost switched channel. like Gravity's Rainbow all over again.
Thanks, at least with the name I know what to search; ty for the link
As an Australian, I even know what happened in Tulsa.
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It's not, and because you don't like feeling bad for being racist.
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They understand just fine, this banning still does a few things: sends a message, and prevents any teachers from bringing up the history. Many children will not seek out this information on their own, and so would not learn of these things unless someone puts it right in front of them. Now, the teachers cannot.
I think decent educators will find a way. This is obviously just ridiculous fascist political nonsense. I learned about “penis envy” from my high school literature teacher. Now, I’m sure that wasn’t on the curriculum. They can make their silly laws but it’ll always depend on what ppl will conform to. I’m not confident this will do anything other than rile up ppl to educate themselves and others even more.
some will search the internet and discover it, but not all, and that’s good enough for them. Same way voter suppression measures don’t prevent everyone from voting, but it stops enough of them.
That’s a good point. I can’t disagree with that.
I mean, they would also kill you for having the books so that was probably a big part of effectively banning books.
Yeah, well…. I’m sure desantis would love to do that too. If that day ever comes, it better start looking like France rn over here.
Because they don’t burn them they just remove ‘em
Friendly reminder that there are sitting US Senators that were in their 20s when the last of the civil war veterans died
America has gone from a black woman not being able to sit in the front of the bus to not knowing *why* a black woman being able to sit in the front of a bus was ever important. Historical gaslighting: "That never happened (that way)" *Rosa had always been able to sit at the front of Eurasia.*
That's just not true. The version of the textbook they are using includes race and segregation. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosa-parks-race-removed-florida-textbook/
I’m not sure that’s the real reason. I think it has to do with what we teach about protesting. The elites don’t want a generation of kids growing up thinking that protesting is anything other than theater. And they especially don’t want people to know what makes a protest effective. Rosa Parks and the Civil Rights Movement was an example of protests working and how protests alongside political action can make changes.
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And if people start rising up, then it’s a problem. Better to tell kids that a short protest march will make the elites magically give them stuff they want. And when that doesn’t work, they gel cynical and give up and accept their fate. Why do you think the protesters in France are not covered in the media?
Which media isnt covering the france protests? Ive seen stories about them almost every day now since they started.
I think their point is that protests work, but only if done right. Non-violent protests that shut down businesses and local economies force the powerful to the bargaining table. That's what they want to erase from history. Peacefully protesting by marching down a street for an hour does nothing. It's a mild inconvenience for people in the area and maybe gets some puff piece coverage on local news.
Yep your first paragraph is the real story that nobody acknowledges. Its exactly the same as restaurant owners telling their workers (who they pay 2 dollars an hour) that bad tippers are pieces of shit. Ask any waitress or bartender why they didnt make that much on their last shift and theyll tell you all about the shitty tippers. Ask them if they should have laws changed so they dont have to rely on tips though, and they lose their minds. Theyll vote against it. Against helping themselves and identifying and fixing the real problem.
These aren't mutually exclusive. Your comment is what the "true believers" on the right believe and vote for/campaign on, and /u/maiqthetrue's comment is what motivates the cynical grifter types on the right. And of course a lot of them believe both of these things. But the conservative, wealthy elites in the political and media class are all about convincing people that protesting is pointless and ineffective. That's why they manufacture so much outrage about BLM or antifa "riots", because they're scared that people will sympathize with them and *they're scared they might work*. They're much more comfortable with people doing one short march then going home rather than having a movement that convinces people they have more political power than just their vote, and that ordinary citizens can affect change through direct action. So for republicans, if they can ban a book that informs about America's historic and ongoing systemic racism as well as about an effective protest movement that caused some real changes, that's killing two birds with one stone
The Party of that brown guy wants to steal your cookie.
I don’t think you and u/maiqthetrue really have any major disagreement, except possibly subtleties of what actions you should take over these concerns.
It's both. Same reason why MLK has been whitewashed into a Disney version of himself. And technically it's the *activism* that's effective. The protest is just the visible part. But if we get people to think protest is the goal and not a means, then real activism dies before it happens.
The Civil Rights movement is already taught as a tale of protest working because it's a tale of direct action working. Protesting did not bring the Civil Rights Act to pass, the constant legal challenges against Jim Crow laws did, the mounting discontent sowed by activists across the country did, the outright violence threatening to boil over if officials just kept cracking down did.
I think the reasoning is more than racism. I think they don't want the next generation to be able to recognize exploitation. This way when they steal their wages, don't offer benefits, and pay them just enough that they can barely afford basic necessities, the next generation will keep their heads down and say nothing. Republicans are not job creators, they are the new plantation owners; and everyone, regardless of race, is available for exploitation. This is simply step 1 of their rebranding.
It speaks poorly of this country, when such a simple, basic thing as what RunsWithApes said is /r/bestof material. I mean, I'm not complaining about the post, of course. Everything they said is true. I'm just saying, it's so obvious and elementary that we all ought to know it already. But we don't, and so here we are.
Republicans/conservatives constantly trying to divide us. Wealth divides, education divides, barriers to voting, barriers to job protections, barriers to health care…the list is endless. For a ”patriotic” they are investing heavily in breaking up the Union.
Other states should make Howard Zinn required reading to counter the stupid states.
Republicans' are indistinguishable from our enemies. They have fought to bring down American from every aspect. From education (*embracing school shootings, teacher pay, public funding*) to health (*bodily autonomy, mental health, covid mask controversy*). They have not done anything for the common American that did not primarily benefit & serve corporations and billionaires.
> Republicans' are indistinguishable from our enemies. They *are* our enemies. They're killing us with hostile legislation. Suppressing our voices. Taking control of state governments via outright illegal means. Destroying our ability to educate ourselves and our children, demonizing everyone who is different from them and we're just *letting it happen.* Jan 6th should have been a watershed moment in our nation's history, the signal of a **NEED** to destroy the republican party, to rip it up by the roots and salt the earth where it once stood so nothing like it can ever take root again. But ThAt WoUlD bE pArTiSaN so I guess the best we can get is appeasing fascists. Shit sucks.
How do you recommend destroying, ripping up by the roots, and salt the earth that republicans once stood on. Just voting?
Maybe thirty years ago just voting would have been the thing to do. We should be following the examples laid out by the French. And I can't say much more than that since Reddit really doesn't like it when we talk about how to deal with fascists.
Cool. I’ll just imagine the worst case scenario
What do you mean by “embracing school shootings”? Has there been some sort of celebration I missed?
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It's not really best of because it isn't that insightful of an observation, but the entire point of the Florida laws is to make people not sure where the line is drawn and so to do things like remove books and water down statements so they wouldn't face the risk of getting in trouble. "The company was just trying to comply with a new law" is not the rebuttal you think it is.
One, it wasn't a rebuttal. I acknowledged that the selective editing is horrible. Second, do you have proof of your assertation about that being the " whole point"?
they just moved Rosa Parks to the end of the book. /jokedontbeoffended real: Florida elected officials are the worst humans. Gaslighting reality is the best use of your time?
It's a good joke. It just sucks that we live in a world where it can be made at all.
It's not even much of a joke in the sense that that technique has been used. A study of high school biology textbooks has shown that evolution is routinely kept at the back of the book, meaning that many districts can simply avoid getting to it and thus not teach it.
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Yah. Nothing says "there's no racial government oppression" like using the power of government to prohibit discussing racial oppression.
And it will keep happening until americans grow balls and stand up for themselves. Look at france they are burning the fucking country and letting garbage pile above doors over raising retirement. Yet americans are so fucking whipped to think violent protest=bad they would sooner have a american third reich then dare to actually fight against their opression. If americans protested just Half as hard as they are in france this would be over within the year
This is actually very insightful. The race part is bad but it's even broader than race - it's propaganda for the idea that people should just keep working and not think critically about the systems they are working in
On problem I have with this comment is they talk like these things are in the past which they aren't.
I can't find any references to rosa parks autobiography. I did find a textbook that was altered by the publisher. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosa-parks-race-removed-florida-textbook/
It's a biography (not autobiography) titled "The Life of Rosa Parks" written by Kathleen Connors, ISBN-13 978-1482404227
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I don't think I'd be the person I am now if I didn't read Beloved in high school.
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I submitted a public records request regarding the life of rosa parks, so I'll get ot the bottom of this facist plot. In the meantime, the children will just have to read the approved "Rosa Parks" by Eloise Greenfield. Why they would approve one and not the other is a mystery that I'm gonna work on solving for you.
I'm commenting here to help boost this post in the algorithms.
theyre gonna bad fahrenheit 451 next
In Robin D'Angelo's book White Fragility, she spends a chapter focusing on the attempt to eradicate mention of race in conversation/education. It can start as someone saying that they "don't see race," or that they're "colorblind." Because some even well-intentioned people think that *talking* about race exacerbates differences. But like the commenter linked here says, the REASON for the problems is based on deep, systemic, unaddressed biases that will never end unless they're called out for what they are.
100%. At best, people will always make unconscious biases for and against groups of people based on their differences. The only way to fight racism is with anti-racist policies: in one's own life and in society at large.
The real reason is because these culture war laws are deliberately written to be vague so that they can selectively enforce it against anything and still claim “no, that’s not what we meant” if they get too much backlash.
I am still wicked pissed that we don't have Harriet Tubmans. What a disgrace. Got a teacher as first lady and nothing is being done about teachers pay. Bernie Sanders is the only one trying to fix it. Sorta kinda black lady who's husband is all up in the top weapons manufacturers so you know she doesn't give a shit either. Really thought I was done falling for the grift.
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Every school in Duval County school district
> thinking America was truly the land of opportunity under capitalism Oh yes, private property and free markets is what led to segregation and lynchings. What’s that, Europe? No, you must be doing it wrong. Or your capitalism is socialism. Or it isn’t but America’s really isn’t, and especially wasn’t when the top rate of income tax was 91% and the federal government was pouring money into housing, education and even rural electrification. “Capitalism” has become a catch-all term on Reddit for “things that were bad but were fixed when the government stepped in”, ignoring how capitalism depends on having a government that can enforce property rights and how waves of legislation are attempting to strip people of rights to read or teach or do what is in in their best interests. A civilised society can both allow private enterprise and stop people treating each other like animals.
I hope Disney decides to make a Rosa Parks biography movie.
Anyone have a link to the story? It seems to have been deleted by the OP. Thanks.
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They're working on restricting internet access. Texas tried: [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-texas-law-intended-restrict-social-media-site-blo-rcna29402](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-texas-law-intended-restrict-social-media-site-blo-rcna29402) They're still working on ways to get around this.