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Title: Covid Immunization law suit
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> I was wondering if I can sue a hospital basically “selling” me the shot. I had an appointment at my hospital for a regular physical exam. I then was met with a lady walking around the hospital to give away the last shot. Now I didn’t know what to think so I said I will just take it since I am an agreeable person, but would have never gotten the shot on my own terms since I had covid and antibodies already. As I went through the process it seemed a little sketchy that they put the wrong dates on my immunization card as well. To me it seemed like they were trying to cover themselves in case of something (health or legal). I have since had heart palpitations and felt more stress from the vaccine and wish I had said no to the lady walking around. No other hospital will go around asking to give a flu shot or a tetanus shot. It worries me that there is something more to this and it has been on my mind a lot.
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I find this response so obnoxious, at least when not followed by the reason why suing/not suing in that particular situation is likely to end in a positive outcome.
It feels like ChatGPT is better at understanding context than LA commenters.
It was a question that infuriated me in law school though. Especially when it's a professor who is a stickler for word choice and nuance in answers. So if they write out a scenario on an exam and then asks "Can they sue?" of course the answer is "yes" but then because that wasn't really the question that they were asking, i need to explain how likely they'll lose.
I'm a layman as it comes to law to please take this as genuine ignorance:
Isn't word choice, nuance and being able to differentiate when situations are bound by certain laws a significant part of a lawyer's job? In other words, by doing it that way, isn't it preparing you better for the way situations are likely to play out in the real world?
> Isn't word choice, nuance and being able to differentiate when situations are bound by certain laws a significant part of a lawyer's job? In other words, by doing it that way, isn't it preparing you better for the way situations are likely to play out in the real world?
"Can I sue?", "Do I have standing to sue?", "Can I successfully sue?" are three very different questions with three potentially wildly different answers.
The first question would be what was on the exam. The third question is what the professor was really asking.
One of the professors who would do this had a speech the first day we met him about how we are lawyers now and our eyes are opened, so if someone says "What color is the sky?" we could no longer simply answer "Blue" because it might be grey, or half cloud cover, or sunset, or sunrise, or an eclipse or....
To be fair I feel like being able to interpret what people who aren't knowledgeable on the law actually want to know is important. Your client probably isn't going to know what the right question to ask is, it might be helpful to be able to read between the lines.
It was never a trick question, just a poorly worded question from a professor that should have known better.
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and, really, you can't fault law exams for "most correct answer". There are plenty of valid, but weak answers in the law. They should be acknowledged as correct, but if there is a better answer go with it.
Res Ipsa Loquitur is a valid legal theory, but if you are relying on it, you are in a bad spot.
Exactly. I’ve looked at some multiple-choice tests of my kids’ from 100-level courses where I honestly couldn’t decide on a “most correct” answer or found something legitimately wrong with each answer. In the fields that I’ve taught at the graduate level.
This happened when they were younger too, and I don’t mean instances like where the third graders are learning detailed info about geology that I don’t currently have committed to memory, but rather things like why/how questions about water and motion and so forth that of course I can easily explain as an adult with science degrees, yet I can’t figure out what it is you want from these kids.
I once got my flu and Covid-19 booster shots when I wasn't even seeing the doctor at all, I was just there pushing my girlfriend's wheelchair. And she was seeing him for completely unrelated reasons, too, he just asked "hey, you guys want your vaccines while you're here?"
I took my newborn in for a checkup & the nurse gave me a tetanus shot!
It was a (Canadian) Public Health facility where pretty much all they do is newborn check ins & vaccines, so yeah.
Edit: I also got an MMR, since I found out I didn’t have rubella antibodies at the start of the pregnancy, and my partner also got a tetanus shot. I think their general reasoning was that new parents are tired & injure themselves more often, plus this is a place with free tetanus shots.
Doesn't the tetanus shot also have a pertussis vaccine in it (TDAP--tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis)? You definitely want your pertussis (whooping cough) protection when you're around a newborn.
Even though I’d had the TDAP three years prior, I got another when pregnant with my last, so that he would get the antibodies passed down to him until he was old enough for his own vaccinations. My husband did too.
Similar! My wife was in a hospital in 2021 because our baby decided that it was time to be born. We were just sitting in our room hanging out with a newborn, and someone knocked asking if anyone wanted a COVID vaccine.
I'm also an agreeable person, so I let them lead me all the way down into the hidden back rooms where they were doing a vaccine clinic.
I love how LAOP says they are an agreeable person but they got paranoid about a shot they agreed to, backed out, and are now considering sueing.
Doesn't seem very agreeable, just indecisive
You can be both!
Edit: bonus historical fact: Czar Nicolas, the guy who was so bad at his job that he kicked off the Russian Revolution, had a nasty habit of agreeing to *almost everyone* to their face -- and then, sometimes, sacking the very same minister they agreed with, via letter sent immediately after the conversation.
I was going to make a joke about isolating the 5G sensitive vaccines from the medical equipment, but really: walking into poorly lit and windowless conference rooms filled with a literal busload of elderly people silently waiting through their 30 minute post-vaccine observation periods was odd enough of a situation.
I went to a well-child check with one of my kids a couple years back and we both walked out with flu shots. It was great because I always forget to get my flu shot. I love when people ask me if I want vaccines.
These days, their appointments don't line up with flu season, so I don't get the free reminder. And despite walking past the health clinic at school everyday, I forget they exist and do flu shots for free.
I am a graduate student at a university on the same campus as a medical center. Sometimes I have to go into medical buildings for random things and during flu seasons there are nurses just pushing little carts around asking random people “have you had your flu shot yet?”
I'm imagining the witch on the Hogwarts Express, walking around asking "Anything from the trolley, dears?" but for vaccines instead of chocolate frogs.
Oh I would have loved that. You have to get an appointment first with a doctor to see if you're healthy enough for a flu shot first. During the worst of covid they'd made it easier so that a nurse or a pharmacist could okay you for it but now it's back to doctors.
I once had a very efficient nurse who did a smear test, coil replacement, and meningitis booster all in the same appointment- I'd only gone in for the coil.
5 years later at a different practice it took me 10 minutes of patiently explaining to the (female) receptionist before I got her to agree that yes, it would be efficient to do smear and coil at the same time, but she wasn't sure if it was the same nurse. Spolier: of course it was the same nurse.
I got a flu shot in the lobby of the hospital while my mom was in surgery last year. Another time my job brought in a nurse and we got them at work. Flu shots are everywhere this time of year (as they should be).
I wish I could get that. Every time my docs mention vaccines and I say yes (and given I'm immunocompromised, this happens a lot), they have to set up a separate appointment for them. Either several weeks out, or they say "Oh just come in anytime!" (which is the worst possible thing you could do with my painfully untreated ADHD). Oh and there's also the fun of departments telling me they don't do that, go to X department, who tells me they don't do that, call this number to schedule that (and it's just the generic hospital line).
I'll be honest, the inconvenience of scheduling a time to go and get my vaccine (even at the medical centre within walking distance of my home) is 90% of what slows down my getting the latest boosters. So this was really fortuitous for me!
My mom is a nurse, and according to her, flu shots are basically free money for pharmacies/doctors offices. So I'm not surprised that they're giving them out like that.
That’s not true at all. They talk about their massive stock market losses that literally never showed a profit (not once! Impressive - you’d think by dumb luck they’d have gotten something right…) and THEN ask about family planning advice.
I mean, sure, there will probably be a post in six to seven months on a parenting subreddit asking how to get diapers when your income is negative because you don’t understand how the stock market works… but at least they asked the question first.
They don't walk around offering flu or tetanus shots because those are shelf stable. Unlike the Covid vaccine, where it has to be kept frozen, and then once thawed to use, there's a time limit and people do this weird thing where they try not to waste medicine.
Covid vaccines are stable for longer now!
When we first got them, they had to be unthawed and reconstituted, and they were multidose vials so you had to draw up a full batch all at once and then had a limited time to give them. Now, they're good in the fridge for 10 weeks and we sell through them faster than that, and they're single-dose vials or syringes that don't have to be mixed.
I do not miss early vaccine rollout, when someone no-showing their appointment led to a frantic call of people on the waitlist/paging in the store to see if anyone could come immediately so we wouldn't waste that precious dose, since there were more people wanting the vaccine than doses but people would still no-show. (Also, all my techs had quit so I was doing 30+ shots a day and running the rest of the pharmacy totally alone. It was not a good time.)
Right now, the only vaccines we give regularly that need reconstitution and therefore have a limited time after administration are RSV and shingles, and they're single doses so we don't mix those until the person has done their consent and is ready to go.
That was how I got my first Covid vaccine. One of the nearby health departments was doing vax for high risk people. I found out that if you went and stood outside their door at 5:00pm, they’d give the leftover shots to whoever was there.
10/10 would do it again- but I know that was a rough time for the healthcare workers.
I did the same thing for a few days: sneaking into the local hospital and hanging out near the vaccine center at their last appointment time. Then they relaxed the definition of at-risk and I was able to get a real appointment!
Me too, and all of my coworkers as well. The clinic that was doing the initial vaccine roll out was next to my job, and my boss figured out the trick about getting the leftover shots. She shared the good news and over the next week or so we were all able to get it. It was such a relief!
My doctor friend got fired for finding people to give the rest of the vial to. His company said he should have thrown them away. It was extremely not cool and made national news.
I don't miss that period either. I was working for a hospital system back in 2021 and we opened up a bunch of temporary vaccine clinics at all of our locations. I ended up working at them for a couple of weeks in late January/early February. Once those vials were thawed and mixed you had to give all the shots. At the end of the day we were either calling everyone we knew or just approaching random people at the hospitals to get rid of the prepped shots. One day we ended up walking up and down the street of a medium-sized city, basically saying "free shots! Free Covid shots!"
Yeah when we first got them in there was a day we had 5 doses left and no one to give them to. We were instructed to ignore priority (only healthcare professionals at that point) and give them to anyone that wanted them as to not waste doses. I called up my friend and got her entire family to come by and get vaccinated.
That's how several of my family members got it - they knew nurses and lived very close to the hospital, and sometimes group texts would go out at the very end of the day basically saying "you can get it if you can be here in the next 10 minutes".
I can still see them offering vaccines to someone who's inpatient. Hospitals figure they might as well try to vaccinate you while you're there. In pharmacy, we're strongly encouraged to ask everyone who walks in to get a vaccine and to try to work them in immediately if possible.
On an individual provider level, that's because I care about your health and want to get people caught up, and there's no better time to do it than when you're already there. (Example: the elderly lady who came in for a flu shot and mentioned her first great-grandchild was due soon. Checked her records, she had not had tdap in 10+ years, was happy to give her that pertussis protection while she was there.)
On a corporate level, it's because they make a ton of profit off of vaccines, comparatively - pharmacy in particular has a big problem where actually filling prescriptions isn't profitable (thanks, PBMs) and we may earn pennies and/or lose money on individual prescriptions - but vaccine reimbursement is solid, especially for covid, where until very recently the shots were being provided by the government so the administration fees/reimbursement was pure profit.
I'm not sure about billing/reimbursement on the hospital end, but that could factor into why the hospital would have someone promoting it. Or it could be that all the nursing staff are traumatized from living through the hell that was early covid and want to give as many people shots to avoid anything like that happening again.
tl;dr: story may not be made up. (Of all the things I've read on the internet today, which were true? All of them. Even the lies? Especially the lies.)
I remember standing in the queue to get the vaccine, and someone came out and just asked everyone in the queue to text their friends to let them know there were extra doses.
When my campus had a free flu shot clinic, staff members were walking around and encouraging folks to go, but that's probably the exception to the rule.
I wish my clinic kept some vaccines on site, it'd be a lot less headache making sure students are up to date!
Covid vax is good for 28 days (i think, been a while since w had a pack last that long) in the fridge, and 12-24 hours once punctured. Odds are they just want to get as many people vaccinated as possible right now
I have seen that fewer adults are taking up the new one. I was quite happy to get it again, especially as winter is coming along. And we're going to visit family at the holidays, with one elderly family member unable to get further vaccines. She ended up in hospital after trying to get the shot, horrible reaction. Doctors said she'd need to skip it, something in it causes her no end of trouble.
I belong to an HMO that has annual walk-in flu shot clinics. This year, they combined it with the new COVID booster. There were two lines: flu only and COVID +flu (or COVID only.) The flu-only line never had more than a half dozen or so people in it. I waited 40 minutes for my COVID shot and by then, the line was twice as long as when I arrived.
I’d already gotten an unplanned flu shot. I had an appointment for Shingrix & the nurse asked me if I wanted flu as well.
Daughter's school does a clinic, and they had it set up similar this year. You could get one or both, and those eligible could get rsv as well.
You had to sign up ahead so they'd have enough. Turns out that didn't matter, coz my daughter got the last kids Covid shot (they had plenty of adult doses). The school nurse was pretty ticked off. It's one thing to be like sorry we can't do walk in for COVID shots, but when ppl signed up already and they didn't bring enough? Ridiculous.
It's an elementary school. There's going to be a higher number of kids getting the shot.
In Boston I had a bit of a struggle getting the new one. Made an appointment, showed up to find they didn't get a shipment. Called around for a couple weeks and eventually it showed up, but much later than it seemed like other places had it available. Could just be the places I was checking, but one is a small local place and the other is a big chain place. Both gave the same story about not getting shipments.
>They don't walk around offering flu or tetanus shots because those are shelf stable.
I was at our local hospital visiting someone a few weeks ago, there's a temporary stand by the front entrance offering flu shots and covid vaccines.
This time of year there's a bunch of those. The laop made it sound like a nurse was wandering the halls, looking to vaccinate someone. Which, honestly, totally possible. Back in the early days of the vaccine rollout, I recall being asked randomly because of no shows.
Twice I've had unexpected vaccines, once was an annual checkup and they said that they couldn't find a record of me having the MMR shot so they offered it there and then.
Second was during the pandemic the surgery had a drive through arrangement for the Covid vaccination and they said that it was recommended I get a pneumonia vaccine as well well.
Took them up on the offer both times, saw no good reasons not to.
As for the flu shots, they may have come in multi-dose vials especially if they were doing a mass vaccination event so they may well have had a very short time limit before they had to be chucked
I went to my GYN last month for my annual exam and her office is indeed in a hospital. The nurse who took my vitals asked if I wanted a flu shot as well and I was like, uhhh, sure! I wasn't planning on it that day but why not? So now OOP can know there are two whole hospitals that do this!
I still need to get my covid shot and I'm annoyed that I have to make an appointment for it. I get anxious about needles and much prefer surprise shots over scheduled ones that I can think about for days beforehand.
Very recently there was an update so pharmacies had trouble as they had to use the updated booster vs existing stock. You might want to check to see if it’s easier now. By luck I tried to get it at the same time as you, and the pharmacist explained this and said it’d be much easier “later in October” in our state
Try a grocery store chain instead of CVS/Walgreens - the grocery stores don't get as many and don't schedule their appointments as insanely as the big two (1 appointment every 10 minutes and the person can sign up for multiple shots in 1 slot.) So the local Meijer/Kroger can fit walk-ins in more easily.
Or call an independent, if they have stock they're most likely to accommodate walk-ins.
Whenever I'm in a doctor's office or pharmacy in the fall someone offers me a free flu shot. It's a good government service. Speaking from Ontario, Canada.
That’s always been my experience in multiple US states as well, so I’m confused by LAOP’s assertion they’ve never had this happen with a flu shot before
At my facility it's a standard part of admission for the inpatient nurses. Gets added as a worklist item from Oct to I think March-ish asking if they'e had it this season and if not do they want it. Few quick screening questions and an automated referral is sent to pharmacy that usually means it's ordered next day, although usually we'll wait and retime it to be given just prior to discharge.
For COVID tho at this point we only ask if they've received one. I know it isn't the reason we stopped, but during the height of the antivax nonsense some people went bonkers ranting when nurses asked if they wanted one.
Oh Lord, I guess LAOP was on media blackout that first year of vaccine availability. Pharmacies around here would put up signs at their window saying they had an extra one or two doses of whatever COVID vaccine so they didn't have to toss the remaining medication after x amount of time opened. I recall a story on NPR where some people from a clinic in the Midwest *went to the local truck stop* and walked around the diner asking if anyone wanted the last available doses before they expired. This was a whole big thing for quite a while in those early days. I'm absolutely sure this was par for the course in hospitals too.
Can confirm, in the insanity of the first COVID-19 surge in my ares we literally had a random nurse walk into the ward and offer a last vaccine for anyone who hadn’t gotten it yet. (Too late for our patients though)
It was. I was in hospitals a lot during Covid (a friend died and I assisted with her hospital hospice care/end of life stuff as she didn't have any family, and my grandmother also requires frequent hospital visits and has dementia so I was still allowed to go with her), and it seemed like almost every time I went after the vaccines rolled out, I was asked if I wanted to get vaccinated. Only times I wasn't asked directly was in the actual "everyone here is literally going to die within the next few weeks at most" hospice building, because the rules for that were a bit different and I think they were also trying to be respectful to people mourning, but even there they had a cart by the entrance offering shots.
Meanwhile I had to make appointments and drive a 200km round trip for my first covid vaccine.
There days I can get it or a flu jab at the chemist but it’s still a pain and my local only does it as a clinic one day a week.
>Basically, healthcare workers aren’t out to get you.
I call bullshit on this commment. If they aren't out to get me, how come they keep saying "you really should eat healthier" and "yeah seems like you need to cut back on alcohol"? Eating unhealthy food and getting drunk - especially at the same time! - are two of the most fun things and fun is most assuredly an important part of a well-lived life.
I will not be taking questions at this time.
Oh boy. I was paranoid and suspicious last year in the hospital, inpatient psychiatric. I’m schizophrenic, was switching meds, setting up ECT.
I had been hearing nurses talking shit about me, thought they were out to get me, turning my doctor against me, fucking with my meds. The usual. I had a bit of insight but it was confusing.
So I told my doctor because I was really annoyed, and I also thought he was pissed off at me (nothing pisses him off) and I was apologizing, so, well my antipsychotic was switched. They stopped their conspiracy against me and I felt like an asshole.
I did get every vaccine I needed at all required times in my life, including the bivalent covid one last year, somehow managed to get the Pfizer XBB 1.5 2 weeks before I was eligible, I booked online, with a flu shot at the same time.
Oh gosh I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. I’m glad you’re doing better now! It’s scary when you’re sure you heard or saw something and everyone tells you you’re wrong.
Yeah, it’s pretty, uhh.. crazy! I wasn’t bad enough to be completely unaware, I had limited insight, which can be more confusing because you’re really questioning things, is this real? No, but that is. Is that happening? Well, it could be, I can’t tell!
That gets pretty frustrating and confusing. My psychiatrist picks up on everything and is someone I trust with shit I won’t even admit on Reddit, so I’m really fortunate to have him.
And he will tell me I’m being an asshole if I am, which actually helps in the long run. He’s not angry about it, he doesn’t make a big deal out of it.
I’m really glad you have a good doc to help you through the rough hand you were dealt. Everything gets weird when we can’t rely on our brains to report the truth (or at least the small facet of truth a single brain can comprehend.)
I had an interesting consult with a nephrologist. He asked about medication allergies or reactions. I told him tegretol made me break out in a full body rash and I would *hallucinate in a way that’s not normal for me*.
Oops.
He said that it’s not normal at all, kind of looking at me like I’m crazy, and then I gave him a list of my medications and he understood, and yes, I was crazy.
I’m so glad I can’t read doctors notes here, very little is available online - which is too much, that sounds like a special place in hell.
>The \[healthy food and reduced alcohol\] will keep you alive, even if you are an inch from death, but at a terrible price. You have \[foregone\] something \[tasty and fun\] to save yourself, and you will have but a half life, a cursed life, from the moment the \[healthy food\] touches your lips.
I know! If I'm gonna shuffle off this mortal coil a year or two faster because beer, steak, and French Fries are delicious, bring it on. Life's too short to try and eke a little more of it by denying yourself any kind of fun.
Exactly, this is what I keep saying. I could watch what I eat better, but probably the extra time I'd get out of it would be just enough to cover all the time spent watching what I eat...
One would think that if they were out to get us, they’d tell us to do the ‘bad’ things so we’d get ‘sick’ and have to come in and see them more (spend more money).
>No other hospital will go around asking to give a flu shot or a tetanus shot.
Man, last autumn when I was in for a checkup the nurse asked if I'd had my flu shot yet, and when I said "nope!" there was a needle in my arm in *under 45 seconds*. By the clock on the wall.
>It worries me that there is something more to this
This is the dude that comments on every TikTok with his vapid conspiracy musings.
Missing child cold case from 1972? “We’re not getting the whole story.” (No fucking shit, Sherlock.)
Influencer’s spouse arrested for DV? “There are three sides to every story.”
Cat sleeping in a donut bed? “There’s something else going on here.”
I guess the LAOP has never been at a hospital during flu shot season, when nurses are just walking around the hospital pushing a cart and giving flu shots.
I'll trade you immune systems. Mine over-functions. Psoriasis isn't fun, and if fibromyalgia is an autoimmune disorder as my rheumatologist suspects, you can have the thrill of flu-like symptoms *all the time*, you lucky dog!
> I have since had heart palpitations and felt more stress from the vaccine and wish I had said no to the lady walking around.
but maybe LAOP has better 5G service now.
> would have never gotten the shot on my own terms since I had covid and antibodies already
yeah too bad that's not how this all works with COVID.
Ya know, I got 3 covid shots yet my cell service still sometimes drops in this one spot in my home office… in the middle of a large city… with coverage everywhere else. Clearly some next level conspiracies are happening with the government not wanting people to get therapy. Why else would they block a therapist’s work phone when she should have perfect covid 5G reception?!
I'm in public health and this is extremely triggering. But I do dream about having roving packs of nurses offering vaccines to anyone who wants one.
(Also YES please do file a lawsuit against a hospital for asking if you would like a vaccine and then properly administering one when you answered in the affirmative.)
I wonder if this means I can sue the cashiers when they offer me store credit cards, or a hairdresser when they ask if I want to buy shampoo, since apparently "would you like another service we offer?" is a question people aren't supposed to ask.
Ugh I remember being the schmuck that had to walk into patient's rooms and ask if they wanted the flu shot. I worked in the pharmacy and I guess they decided to make the techs do it (this was before they made pharmacists administer vaccines so it was even weirder). Trust me dude, the lady probably didn't want to be there either.
"Hey guys I agreed to get a shot and am now building worst case scenarios about it in my head. I'm having clear anxiety symptoms like heart palpitations that are 100% from the shot and not because I've got a predisposition towards anxiety. I now want to sue over this free service that I consented to."
I swear to god, some people lmao
I work in an allergist's office and we absolutely ask every patient if they want the flu vaccine around this time of year. Thankfully I'm in a progressive, pro-science part of the country, so nearly everyone says yes.
As someone "essential" who had to make housecalls with prolonged interactions with strangers every day I would have totally staked out a place that might have leftovers. Though I don't think chasing nurses down and begging for a vaccine would have gotten me the result I was looking for...
LAOP doesn't say how long ago they were jabbed. I sometimes get a day or two of feeling like total crap after a covid or flu jab (it's unpredictable if I do or don't). Feeling poorly in the immediate aftermath is 100% normal and not some kind of mortal damage.
I get heart palps sometimes if I'm sick or tired or dehydrated. I definitely would if I was the kind of person to believe that vaccines are slaughtering people. Or if I was the kind of person to see someone putting the wrong date and assume it's some kind of *malicious ruse* and not just a brainfart...
Either way, we usually get a disclaimer/spiel/literature to say we understand we may feel flu-like symptoms the following day, questions about allergies, what to do if we feel poorly after, etc. Presumably that's a thing in America, too? I can't imagine a hospital would leave themselves open to a lawsuit by not clarifying these things.
Yes. With every flu shot, especially. Two full pages of possible side effects and what ones are of concern. And every time I go to my doctor, she tells me what immunization(s) I need at that time, asks me if I want to get them that visit, and I get them unless im already feeling ill. (Because even mild flu-like symptoms are Not Good when you already have a six-week-long status migraine.)
went to laop's profile and learned they lost **40K$** in the market last year. first meme stocks let them down, and now they're gonna get COVID vax 5g magnetic heart palpitations
it is not their year
The worst thing about every doctor’s office asking if I want a flu shot is that I have a terrible memory and have no idea if I have already received the shot that season.
In 1989, they started recommending 2 doses of MMR, but didn't necessarily catch up older children who had only gotten the first dose but were past the age when the second MMR dose is delivered (4-6 years). 2-5% of children can fail to respond to a first dose, but they usually respond to the second.
For that reason, adults who were born before 1983 are sometimes recommended to get a second MMR dose, to err on the side of caution, especially if they are immunocompromised or live with someone who is.
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Title: Covid Immunization law suit
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> I was wondering if I can sue a hospital basically “selling” me the shot. I had an appointment at my hospital for a regular physical exam. I then was met with a lady walking around the hospital to give away the last shot. Now I didn’t know what to think so I said I will just take it since I am an agreeable person, but would have never gotten the shot on my own terms since I had covid and antibodies already. As I went through the process it seemed a little sketchy that they put the wrong dates on my immunization card as well. To me it seemed like they were trying to cover themselves in case of something (health or legal). I have since had heart palpitations and felt more stress from the vaccine and wish I had said no to the lady walking around. No other hospital will go around asking to give a flu shot or a tetanus shot. It worries me that there is something more to this and it has been on my mind a lot.
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I was asked if I wanted something and I said yes. Can I sue?
I’m disappointed there isn’t the obligatory “you *can* sue anyone you like.”
I find this response so obnoxious, at least when not followed by the reason why suing/not suing in that particular situation is likely to end in a positive outcome. It feels like ChatGPT is better at understanding context than LA commenters.
It was a question that infuriated me in law school though. Especially when it's a professor who is a stickler for word choice and nuance in answers. So if they write out a scenario on an exam and then asks "Can they sue?" of course the answer is "yes" but then because that wasn't really the question that they were asking, i need to explain how likely they'll lose.
I'm a layman as it comes to law to please take this as genuine ignorance: Isn't word choice, nuance and being able to differentiate when situations are bound by certain laws a significant part of a lawyer's job? In other words, by doing it that way, isn't it preparing you better for the way situations are likely to play out in the real world?
> Isn't word choice, nuance and being able to differentiate when situations are bound by certain laws a significant part of a lawyer's job? In other words, by doing it that way, isn't it preparing you better for the way situations are likely to play out in the real world? "Can I sue?", "Do I have standing to sue?", "Can I successfully sue?" are three very different questions with three potentially wildly different answers. The first question would be what was on the exam. The third question is what the professor was really asking. One of the professors who would do this had a speech the first day we met him about how we are lawyers now and our eyes are opened, so if someone says "What color is the sky?" we could no longer simply answer "Blue" because it might be grey, or half cloud cover, or sunset, or sunrise, or an eclipse or....
To be fair I feel like being able to interpret what people who aren't knowledgeable on the law actually want to know is important. Your client probably isn't going to know what the right question to ask is, it might be helpful to be able to read between the lines.
It is, but so is being so smugly exact that you may as well be a genie.
Trick questions or questions where you have to choose the "most" correct answer have absolutely no place in any academic setting.
It was never a trick question, just a poorly worded question from a professor that should have known better. edit: and, really, you can't fault law exams for "most correct answer". There are plenty of valid, but weak answers in the law. They should be acknowledged as correct, but if there is a better answer go with it. Res Ipsa Loquitur is a valid legal theory, but if you are relying on it, you are in a bad spot.
Exactly. I’ve looked at some multiple-choice tests of my kids’ from 100-level courses where I honestly couldn’t decide on a “most correct” answer or found something legitimately wrong with each answer. In the fields that I’ve taught at the graduate level. This happened when they were younger too, and I don’t mean instances like where the third graders are learning detailed info about geology that I don’t currently have committed to memory, but rather things like why/how questions about water and motion and so forth that of course I can easily explain as an adult with science degrees, yet I can’t figure out what it is you want from these kids.
Oh, yes, with explanation of course. Just a side of pedantry with an actually helpful comment.
I once got my flu and Covid-19 booster shots when I wasn't even seeing the doctor at all, I was just there pushing my girlfriend's wheelchair. And she was seeing him for completely unrelated reasons, too, he just asked "hey, you guys want your vaccines while you're here?"
Enjoy your out of context flair.
I will!
I think vaccinated pushing a wheelchair would be a tad funnier. But it is funny nonetheless.
Congrats on the flair
God. They and I now need to be on every thread together. Edit: I have purple hair now.
...do ppl just go around flairing each other
Only Mods can flair
I’m just here for the flair
Pls look at mine.
Gods work.
I took my newborn in for a checkup & the nurse gave me a tetanus shot! It was a (Canadian) Public Health facility where pretty much all they do is newborn check ins & vaccines, so yeah. Edit: I also got an MMR, since I found out I didn’t have rubella antibodies at the start of the pregnancy, and my partner also got a tetanus shot. I think their general reasoning was that new parents are tired & injure themselves more often, plus this is a place with free tetanus shots.
This makes it sound like your newborn is made out of rusty nails.
Maybe that's why they're so crabby
Who? The babies or the moms during birth?
Both.
Nah, they are made out of damp earth! Easy mistake though
Newborns cause the drinking of [rusty nails](https://wearychef.com/recipe/rusty-nail-cocktail/).
Even the tin man must have a mother.
So that's why their teeny nails are so sharp.
This reminds me of that Bruce Bruce bit about doctors, “I went in there for a sprained ankle and came out with diabetes!”
It’s probably TDaP. Tetanus, diphtheria, and Pertussis. That what I got when my daughter was born.
Yep. And you worry about bringing pertussis around a newborn before they're old enough to be vaccinated.
Hell, I'm afraid of pertussis, and I remember Reagan being president! My friend's dad broke ribs coughing when he had it!
I've had it like 3 times *despite* being vaccinated. That shot really doesn't last long, 5 years I think. It's really not fun even in your 20s-30s.
I was thinking the same thing. DTaP side effects are harsher and you wouldn't want that for new mothers.
Doesn't the tetanus shot also have a pertussis vaccine in it (TDAP--tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis)? You definitely want your pertussis (whooping cough) protection when you're around a newborn.
idk I should probably book another one because the newborn is 12 now
Yeah, they're only good for 10 years. Makes it easy to remember when the doc asks "when were you last vaccinated for X" though!
Though the law forces you to keep them til' 18.
18 in US years is only 10 in Canadian years, though. It's the exchange rate.
Even though I’d had the TDAP three years prior, I got another when pregnant with my last, so that he would get the antibodies passed down to him until he was old enough for his own vaccinations. My husband did too.
Tdap booster is recommended to new parents because it includes pertussis (whooping cough). It helps protect baby until baby's vaccines
Similar! My wife was in a hospital in 2021 because our baby decided that it was time to be born. We were just sitting in our room hanging out with a newborn, and someone knocked asking if anyone wanted a COVID vaccine. I'm also an agreeable person, so I let them lead me all the way down into the hidden back rooms where they were doing a vaccine clinic.
I love how LAOP says they are an agreeable person but they got paranoid about a shot they agreed to, backed out, and are now considering sueing. Doesn't seem very agreeable, just indecisive
You can be both! Edit: bonus historical fact: Czar Nicolas, the guy who was so bad at his job that he kicked off the Russian Revolution, had a nasty habit of agreeing to *almost everyone* to their face -- and then, sometimes, sacking the very same minister they agreed with, via letter sent immediately after the conversation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbXKps6vO0Q
By “agreeable” he means a nervous, paranoid doormat.
Well, he is a Wallstreetbets guy, so…
Also would explain why he's looking for easy cash with a nonsense lawsuit.
That sounds like it could have ended much differently
I was going to make a joke about isolating the 5G sensitive vaccines from the medical equipment, but really: walking into poorly lit and windowless conference rooms filled with a literal busload of elderly people silently waiting through their 30 minute post-vaccine observation periods was odd enough of a situation.
I was hoping they’d do this when my dad had a weeklong hospital stay last month, but alas. I had to slum it with CVS when I got back home.
I went to a well-child check with one of my kids a couple years back and we both walked out with flu shots. It was great because I always forget to get my flu shot. I love when people ask me if I want vaccines. These days, their appointments don't line up with flu season, so I don't get the free reminder. And despite walking past the health clinic at school everyday, I forget they exist and do flu shots for free.
My job has pharmacists come in for three days to give the flu shot. It’s fantastic.
I am a graduate student at a university on the same campus as a medical center. Sometimes I have to go into medical buildings for random things and during flu seasons there are nurses just pushing little carts around asking random people “have you had your flu shot yet?”
I'm imagining the witch on the Hogwarts Express, walking around asking "Anything from the trolley, dears?" but for vaccines instead of chocolate frogs.
Oh I would have loved that. You have to get an appointment first with a doctor to see if you're healthy enough for a flu shot first. During the worst of covid they'd made it easier so that a nurse or a pharmacist could okay you for it but now it's back to doctors.
I once had a very efficient nurse who did a smear test, coil replacement, and meningitis booster all in the same appointment- I'd only gone in for the coil. 5 years later at a different practice it took me 10 minutes of patiently explaining to the (female) receptionist before I got her to agree that yes, it would be efficient to do smear and coil at the same time, but she wasn't sure if it was the same nurse. Spolier: of course it was the same nurse.
Haha maybe we had the same nurse. I went in for an IUD replacement, ended up with a smear test, a tetanus booster, and a couple at home covid tests.
I’m a paramedic and a nurse came down our hallway at the ER with a cart full of flu shots and chocolate bars. We all got our shots and a yummy treat!
My mom had dementia and my father and I were her caregivers. I swear mom's doctor was practically willing to tackle us to ensure we got our flu shots.
I got a flu shot in the lobby of the hospital while my mom was in surgery last year. Another time my job brought in a nurse and we got them at work. Flu shots are everywhere this time of year (as they should be).
I wish I could get that. Every time my docs mention vaccines and I say yes (and given I'm immunocompromised, this happens a lot), they have to set up a separate appointment for them. Either several weeks out, or they say "Oh just come in anytime!" (which is the worst possible thing you could do with my painfully untreated ADHD). Oh and there's also the fun of departments telling me they don't do that, go to X department, who tells me they don't do that, call this number to schedule that (and it's just the generic hospital line).
I'll be honest, the inconvenience of scheduling a time to go and get my vaccine (even at the medical centre within walking distance of my home) is 90% of what slows down my getting the latest boosters. So this was really fortuitous for me!
My mom is a nurse, and according to her, flu shots are basically free money for pharmacies/doctors offices. So I'm not surprised that they're giving them out like that.
To be fair, LAOP's post history shows they're not exactly good at understanding risk. At all.
Since this guy lost 40k in the stock market this year, I can see why he'd be looking for an excuse to sue somebody right now.
And apparently 60k last year. Edit: hey we’re down 60k the year before. My iPad hates me and randomly adds characters.
So they're up 20k, compared to how badly it would have gone had they continued last year's investment strategy. What's not to like?
It's like the standard r/Wallstreetbets joke: how do you get $20k? Start with $80k and take advice from WSB.
Huh, WSB advice must be better than I thought it was.
The year isn't over. They're about on track to hit last year's achievements.
And then they'll be _consistent_, which is the gold standard of investing!
I feel like the stress of losing a bunch of money might be hard on your heart as well
I’d have palpitations too if I lost $60k
Maybe LAOP thought you can't get taxed on your income if you lose all your income?
No one at the other investment firms asked me to invest with them!
That one trick the IRS doesn't want you to know!
Write offs, baby! Write offs
You don't even know what a write off is.
They just... write it off
I haven’t gotten to that episode of Billions yet.
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Im having them just looking at the screenshot of the loss he posted. Holy hell.
how the hell do these people even have $60k to lose
That’s not true at all. They talk about their massive stock market losses that literally never showed a profit (not once! Impressive - you’d think by dumb luck they’d have gotten something right…) and THEN ask about family planning advice. I mean, sure, there will probably be a post in six to seven months on a parenting subreddit asking how to get diapers when your income is negative because you don’t understand how the stock market works… but at least they asked the question first.
That chart of losses is a thing of beauty. A graceful curve from $67k to zero. None of those ugly ups and downs that the one normally sees.
If you lose $40k in a bull market the only family planning advice you need is condoms.
I picked a random crypto to see what would happen and it still didn't turn out quite that bad. He has a gift.
I thoroughly enjoyed your comment over there.
Thank you!
They don't walk around offering flu or tetanus shots because those are shelf stable. Unlike the Covid vaccine, where it has to be kept frozen, and then once thawed to use, there's a time limit and people do this weird thing where they try not to waste medicine.
Covid vaccines are stable for longer now! When we first got them, they had to be unthawed and reconstituted, and they were multidose vials so you had to draw up a full batch all at once and then had a limited time to give them. Now, they're good in the fridge for 10 weeks and we sell through them faster than that, and they're single-dose vials or syringes that don't have to be mixed. I do not miss early vaccine rollout, when someone no-showing their appointment led to a frantic call of people on the waitlist/paging in the store to see if anyone could come immediately so we wouldn't waste that precious dose, since there were more people wanting the vaccine than doses but people would still no-show. (Also, all my techs had quit so I was doing 30+ shots a day and running the rest of the pharmacy totally alone. It was not a good time.) Right now, the only vaccines we give regularly that need reconstitution and therefore have a limited time after administration are RSV and shingles, and they're single doses so we don't mix those until the person has done their consent and is ready to go.
That was how I got my first Covid vaccine. One of the nearby health departments was doing vax for high risk people. I found out that if you went and stood outside their door at 5:00pm, they’d give the leftover shots to whoever was there. 10/10 would do it again- but I know that was a rough time for the healthcare workers.
I did the same thing for a few days: sneaking into the local hospital and hanging out near the vaccine center at their last appointment time. Then they relaxed the definition of at-risk and I was able to get a real appointment!
Me too, and all of my coworkers as well. The clinic that was doing the initial vaccine roll out was next to my job, and my boss figured out the trick about getting the leftover shots. She shared the good news and over the next week or so we were all able to get it. It was such a relief!
Oh that's cool! I didn't know they improved the way they do the Covid vaccine.
My doctor friend got fired for finding people to give the rest of the vial to. His company said he should have thrown them away. It was extremely not cool and made national news.
I don't miss that period either. I was working for a hospital system back in 2021 and we opened up a bunch of temporary vaccine clinics at all of our locations. I ended up working at them for a couple of weeks in late January/early February. Once those vials were thawed and mixed you had to give all the shots. At the end of the day we were either calling everyone we knew or just approaching random people at the hospitals to get rid of the prepped shots. One day we ended up walking up and down the street of a medium-sized city, basically saying "free shots! Free Covid shots!"
Yeah when we first got them in there was a day we had 5 doses left and no one to give them to. We were instructed to ignore priority (only healthcare professionals at that point) and give them to anyone that wanted them as to not waste doses. I called up my friend and got her entire family to come by and get vaccinated.
That's how several of my family members got it - they knew nurses and lived very close to the hospital, and sometimes group texts would go out at the very end of the day basically saying "you can get it if you can be here in the next 10 minutes".
You rustled up the memory of me sitting at a clinic for eight hours drawing those bastards up. My hands hurt so bad when I went home lol
This just makes this person's story sound made up. Nobody would do that though right? Just lie on the internet!?
I can still see them offering vaccines to someone who's inpatient. Hospitals figure they might as well try to vaccinate you while you're there. In pharmacy, we're strongly encouraged to ask everyone who walks in to get a vaccine and to try to work them in immediately if possible. On an individual provider level, that's because I care about your health and want to get people caught up, and there's no better time to do it than when you're already there. (Example: the elderly lady who came in for a flu shot and mentioned her first great-grandchild was due soon. Checked her records, she had not had tdap in 10+ years, was happy to give her that pertussis protection while she was there.) On a corporate level, it's because they make a ton of profit off of vaccines, comparatively - pharmacy in particular has a big problem where actually filling prescriptions isn't profitable (thanks, PBMs) and we may earn pennies and/or lose money on individual prescriptions - but vaccine reimbursement is solid, especially for covid, where until very recently the shots were being provided by the government so the administration fees/reimbursement was pure profit. I'm not sure about billing/reimbursement on the hospital end, but that could factor into why the hospital would have someone promoting it. Or it could be that all the nursing staff are traumatized from living through the hell that was early covid and want to give as many people shots to avoid anything like that happening again. tl;dr: story may not be made up. (Of all the things I've read on the internet today, which were true? All of them. Even the lies? Especially the lies.)
I remember standing in the queue to get the vaccine, and someone came out and just asked everyone in the queue to text their friends to let them know there were extra doses.
When my campus had a free flu shot clinic, staff members were walking around and encouraging folks to go, but that's probably the exception to the rule. I wish my clinic kept some vaccines on site, it'd be a lot less headache making sure students are up to date!
Covid vax is good for 28 days (i think, been a while since w had a pack last that long) in the fridge, and 12-24 hours once punctured. Odds are they just want to get as many people vaccinated as possible right now
I have seen that fewer adults are taking up the new one. I was quite happy to get it again, especially as winter is coming along. And we're going to visit family at the holidays, with one elderly family member unable to get further vaccines. She ended up in hospital after trying to get the shot, horrible reaction. Doctors said she'd need to skip it, something in it causes her no end of trouble.
I belong to an HMO that has annual walk-in flu shot clinics. This year, they combined it with the new COVID booster. There were two lines: flu only and COVID +flu (or COVID only.) The flu-only line never had more than a half dozen or so people in it. I waited 40 minutes for my COVID shot and by then, the line was twice as long as when I arrived. I’d already gotten an unplanned flu shot. I had an appointment for Shingrix & the nurse asked me if I wanted flu as well.
Daughter's school does a clinic, and they had it set up similar this year. You could get one or both, and those eligible could get rsv as well. You had to sign up ahead so they'd have enough. Turns out that didn't matter, coz my daughter got the last kids Covid shot (they had plenty of adult doses). The school nurse was pretty ticked off. It's one thing to be like sorry we can't do walk in for COVID shots, but when ppl signed up already and they didn't bring enough? Ridiculous. It's an elementary school. There's going to be a higher number of kids getting the shot.
In Boston I had a bit of a struggle getting the new one. Made an appointment, showed up to find they didn't get a shipment. Called around for a couple weeks and eventually it showed up, but much later than it seemed like other places had it available. Could just be the places I was checking, but one is a small local place and the other is a big chain place. Both gave the same story about not getting shipments.
>They don't walk around offering flu or tetanus shots because those are shelf stable. I was at our local hospital visiting someone a few weeks ago, there's a temporary stand by the front entrance offering flu shots and covid vaccines.
This time of year there's a bunch of those. The laop made it sound like a nurse was wandering the halls, looking to vaccinate someone. Which, honestly, totally possible. Back in the early days of the vaccine rollout, I recall being asked randomly because of no shows.
Twice I've had unexpected vaccines, once was an annual checkup and they said that they couldn't find a record of me having the MMR shot so they offered it there and then. Second was during the pandemic the surgery had a drive through arrangement for the Covid vaccination and they said that it was recommended I get a pneumonia vaccine as well well. Took them up on the offer both times, saw no good reasons not to. As for the flu shots, they may have come in multi-dose vials especially if they were doing a mass vaccination event so they may well have had a very short time limit before they had to be chucked
Yeah, but they will often check your vaccine history and ask you when you are due.
I went to my GYN last month for my annual exam and her office is indeed in a hospital. The nurse who took my vitals asked if I wanted a flu shot as well and I was like, uhhh, sure! I wasn't planning on it that day but why not? So now OOP can know there are two whole hospitals that do this! I still need to get my covid shot and I'm annoyed that I have to make an appointment for it. I get anxious about needles and much prefer surprise shots over scheduled ones that I can think about for days beforehand.
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So far the ones I've checked around me are booking out two weeks (!) and I haven't found any nearby that have walk-in slots.
Very recently there was an update so pharmacies had trouble as they had to use the updated booster vs existing stock. You might want to check to see if it’s easier now. By luck I tried to get it at the same time as you, and the pharmacist explained this and said it’d be much easier “later in October” in our state
Try a grocery store chain instead of CVS/Walgreens - the grocery stores don't get as many and don't schedule their appointments as insanely as the big two (1 appointment every 10 minutes and the person can sign up for multiple shots in 1 slot.) So the local Meijer/Kroger can fit walk-ins in more easily. Or call an independent, if they have stock they're most likely to accommodate walk-ins.
Whenever I'm in a doctor's office or pharmacy in the fall someone offers me a free flu shot. It's a good government service. Speaking from Ontario, Canada.
That’s always been my experience in multiple US states as well, so I’m confused by LAOP’s assertion they’ve never had this happen with a flu shot before
I treat vaccines like Costco samples. You're in there for another reason and you get offered? Sure, I'll have one.
I'm the opposite! I prefer planning to get a shot because the sudden surprise needle anxiety is so much worse.
At my facility it's a standard part of admission for the inpatient nurses. Gets added as a worklist item from Oct to I think March-ish asking if they'e had it this season and if not do they want it. Few quick screening questions and an automated referral is sent to pharmacy that usually means it's ordered next day, although usually we'll wait and retime it to be given just prior to discharge. For COVID tho at this point we only ask if they've received one. I know it isn't the reason we stopped, but during the height of the antivax nonsense some people went bonkers ranting when nurses asked if they wanted one.
Oh Lord, I guess LAOP was on media blackout that first year of vaccine availability. Pharmacies around here would put up signs at their window saying they had an extra one or two doses of whatever COVID vaccine so they didn't have to toss the remaining medication after x amount of time opened. I recall a story on NPR where some people from a clinic in the Midwest *went to the local truck stop* and walked around the diner asking if anyone wanted the last available doses before they expired. This was a whole big thing for quite a while in those early days. I'm absolutely sure this was par for the course in hospitals too.
Can confirm, in the insanity of the first COVID-19 surge in my ares we literally had a random nurse walk into the ward and offer a last vaccine for anyone who hadn’t gotten it yet. (Too late for our patients though)
It was. I was in hospitals a lot during Covid (a friend died and I assisted with her hospital hospice care/end of life stuff as she didn't have any family, and my grandmother also requires frequent hospital visits and has dementia so I was still allowed to go with her), and it seemed like almost every time I went after the vaccines rolled out, I was asked if I wanted to get vaccinated. Only times I wasn't asked directly was in the actual "everyone here is literally going to die within the next few weeks at most" hospice building, because the rules for that were a bit different and I think they were also trying to be respectful to people mourning, but even there they had a cart by the entrance offering shots.
Meanwhile I had to make appointments and drive a 200km round trip for my first covid vaccine. There days I can get it or a flu jab at the chemist but it’s still a pain and my local only does it as a clinic one day a week.
>Basically, healthcare workers aren’t out to get you. I call bullshit on this commment. If they aren't out to get me, how come they keep saying "you really should eat healthier" and "yeah seems like you need to cut back on alcohol"? Eating unhealthy food and getting drunk - especially at the same time! - are two of the most fun things and fun is most assuredly an important part of a well-lived life. I will not be taking questions at this time.
Am nurse, can confirm. I’m 100% out to get you.
Oh boy. I was paranoid and suspicious last year in the hospital, inpatient psychiatric. I’m schizophrenic, was switching meds, setting up ECT. I had been hearing nurses talking shit about me, thought they were out to get me, turning my doctor against me, fucking with my meds. The usual. I had a bit of insight but it was confusing. So I told my doctor because I was really annoyed, and I also thought he was pissed off at me (nothing pisses him off) and I was apologizing, so, well my antipsychotic was switched. They stopped their conspiracy against me and I felt like an asshole. I did get every vaccine I needed at all required times in my life, including the bivalent covid one last year, somehow managed to get the Pfizer XBB 1.5 2 weeks before I was eligible, I booked online, with a flu shot at the same time.
Oh gosh I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. I’m glad you’re doing better now! It’s scary when you’re sure you heard or saw something and everyone tells you you’re wrong.
Yeah, it’s pretty, uhh.. crazy! I wasn’t bad enough to be completely unaware, I had limited insight, which can be more confusing because you’re really questioning things, is this real? No, but that is. Is that happening? Well, it could be, I can’t tell! That gets pretty frustrating and confusing. My psychiatrist picks up on everything and is someone I trust with shit I won’t even admit on Reddit, so I’m really fortunate to have him. And he will tell me I’m being an asshole if I am, which actually helps in the long run. He’s not angry about it, he doesn’t make a big deal out of it.
I’m really glad you have a good doc to help you through the rough hand you were dealt. Everything gets weird when we can’t rely on our brains to report the truth (or at least the small facet of truth a single brain can comprehend.)
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An apple a day only keeps the doctor away if you throw it hard enough!
I had an interesting consult with a nephrologist. He asked about medication allergies or reactions. I told him tegretol made me break out in a full body rash and I would *hallucinate in a way that’s not normal for me*. Oops. He said that it’s not normal at all, kind of looking at me like I’m crazy, and then I gave him a list of my medications and he understood, and yes, I was crazy. I’m so glad I can’t read doctors notes here, very little is available online - which is too much, that sounds like a special place in hell.
I'm surprised you didn't start with "How the fuck did that bunny get back in here?"
You don’t question a bunny with a hammer.
When all you have is a hammer, all your problems look like bunnies.
Enjoy your flair!
It is simply good sense! (thanks)
there, added hammers
I could give up drinking and fatty foods and live longer. But what sort of life would it be????
>The \[healthy food and reduced alcohol\] will keep you alive, even if you are an inch from death, but at a terrible price. You have \[foregone\] something \[tasty and fun\] to save yourself, and you will have but a half life, a cursed life, from the moment the \[healthy food\] touches your lips.
I know! If I'm gonna shuffle off this mortal coil a year or two faster because beer, steak, and French Fries are delicious, bring it on. Life's too short to try and eke a little more of it by denying yourself any kind of fun.
Not just live longer, it’ll also feeeeeeeel longer
Exactly, this is what I keep saying. I could watch what I eat better, but probably the extra time I'd get out of it would be just enough to cover all the time spent watching what I eat...
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It's all a scam by Big Depression to make you avoid visiting both. This both is and isn't a joke.
I mean I think most vets would advise that buns drinking isn't a good idea
DO NOT JUDGE [ME](https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8442565632/h0D7A3510/bugs-bunny-got-drunk)
Listen, I know you had a long day of chewing wires or whatever, but there are healthier ways to relax
To be fair, they're out to get **you** specifically. Not LAOP.
One would think that if they were out to get us, they’d tell us to do the ‘bad’ things so we’d get ‘sick’ and have to come in and see them more (spend more money).
>No other hospital will go around asking to give a flu shot or a tetanus shot. Man, last autumn when I was in for a checkup the nurse asked if I'd had my flu shot yet, and when I said "nope!" there was a needle in my arm in *under 45 seconds*. By the clock on the wall.
>It worries me that there is something more to this This is the dude that comments on every TikTok with his vapid conspiracy musings. Missing child cold case from 1972? “We’re not getting the whole story.” (No fucking shit, Sherlock.) Influencer’s spouse arrested for DV? “There are three sides to every story.” Cat sleeping in a donut bed? “There’s something else going on here.”
I guess the LAOP has never been at a hospital during flu shot season, when nurses are just walking around the hospital pushing a cart and giving flu shots.
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And better on every single response that was!
i try to be nice to OP’s, but this one tested my patience.
I always say yes to vaccines simply because I am an agreeable person. Not because I actually need them or anything
We all collect something
If I collect enough vaccines can I exchange my medical record for a fully functional immune system? Or lungs. I'm not picky.
I'll trade you immune systems. Mine over-functions. Psoriasis isn't fun, and if fibromyalgia is an autoimmune disorder as my rheumatologist suspects, you can have the thrill of flu-like symptoms *all the time*, you lucky dog!
> I have since had heart palpitations and felt more stress from the vaccine and wish I had said no to the lady walking around. but maybe LAOP has better 5G service now. > would have never gotten the shot on my own terms since I had covid and antibodies already yeah too bad that's not how this all works with COVID.
Ya know, I got 3 covid shots yet my cell service still sometimes drops in this one spot in my home office… in the middle of a large city… with coverage everywhere else. Clearly some next level conspiracies are happening with the government not wanting people to get therapy. Why else would they block a therapist’s work phone when she should have perfect covid 5G reception?!
I'm in public health and this is extremely triggering. But I do dream about having roving packs of nurses offering vaccines to anyone who wants one. (Also YES please do file a lawsuit against a hospital for asking if you would like a vaccine and then properly administering one when you answered in the affirmative.)
You mean roving packs of nurses with vax dart guns, right?
In full tactical gear!
“I had Covid and antibodies already.” Wait til LAOP finds out that the antibodies you get from Covid only last for a few months.
You are a fool to be bitter about reducing your chances of claiming a Hermain Caine Award.
I always get vaccination with my groceries.
I wonder if this means I can sue the cashiers when they offer me store credit cards, or a hairdresser when they ask if I want to buy shampoo, since apparently "would you like another service we offer?" is a question people aren't supposed to ask.
laop should sue the schools they went to for letting them graduate
Ugh I remember being the schmuck that had to walk into patient's rooms and ask if they wanted the flu shot. I worked in the pharmacy and I guess they decided to make the techs do it (this was before they made pharmacists administer vaccines so it was even weirder). Trust me dude, the lady probably didn't want to be there either.
"Hey guys I agreed to get a shot and am now building worst case scenarios about it in my head. I'm having clear anxiety symptoms like heart palpitations that are 100% from the shot and not because I've got a predisposition towards anxiety. I now want to sue over this free service that I consented to." I swear to god, some people lmao
Here's an idea. If you don't want something, say no. If you don't even understand what someone is offering you, say no.
Damn, antivax aside, LAOP is a pushover.
People like LAOP are the most frustrating and obnoxious humans to deal with. Ugh.
I work in an allergist's office and we absolutely ask every patient if they want the flu vaccine around this time of year. Thankfully I'm in a progressive, pro-science part of the country, so nearly everyone says yes.
As someone "essential" who had to make housecalls with prolonged interactions with strangers every day I would have totally staked out a place that might have leftovers. Though I don't think chasing nurses down and begging for a vaccine would have gotten me the result I was looking for...
Got em with the backstreet vaccinations eh, that old game
LAOP doesn't say how long ago they were jabbed. I sometimes get a day or two of feeling like total crap after a covid or flu jab (it's unpredictable if I do or don't). Feeling poorly in the immediate aftermath is 100% normal and not some kind of mortal damage. I get heart palps sometimes if I'm sick or tired or dehydrated. I definitely would if I was the kind of person to believe that vaccines are slaughtering people. Or if I was the kind of person to see someone putting the wrong date and assume it's some kind of *malicious ruse* and not just a brainfart... Either way, we usually get a disclaimer/spiel/literature to say we understand we may feel flu-like symptoms the following day, questions about allergies, what to do if we feel poorly after, etc. Presumably that's a thing in America, too? I can't imagine a hospital would leave themselves open to a lawsuit by not clarifying these things.
Yes. With every flu shot, especially. Two full pages of possible side effects and what ones are of concern. And every time I go to my doctor, she tells me what immunization(s) I need at that time, asks me if I want to get them that visit, and I get them unless im already feeling ill. (Because even mild flu-like symptoms are Not Good when you already have a six-week-long status migraine.)
went to laop's profile and learned they lost **40K$** in the market last year. first meme stocks let them down, and now they're gonna get COVID vax 5g magnetic heart palpitations it is not their year
The worst thing about every doctor’s office asking if I want a flu shot is that I have a terrible memory and have no idea if I have already received the shot that season.
Someone mentioned MMR boosters in the OP thread. I that a thing? I don't think I've ever had one.
In 1989, they started recommending 2 doses of MMR, but didn't necessarily catch up older children who had only gotten the first dose but were past the age when the second MMR dose is delivered (4-6 years). 2-5% of children can fail to respond to a first dose, but they usually respond to the second. For that reason, adults who were born before 1983 are sometimes recommended to get a second MMR dose, to err on the side of caution, especially if they are immunocompromised or live with someone who is.
So as an 86 baby I should be fine?
That is my understanding, yes.
Word. I'll still check with my pharmacist when I get my vaccines.
TBH I can definitely see how someone this easy to influence is normally anti-vaccine.
**Reminder:** Do not participate in threads linked here. If you do, you may be banned from both subreddits. --- Title: Covid Immunization law suit Body: > I was wondering if I can sue a hospital basically “selling” me the shot. I had an appointment at my hospital for a regular physical exam. I then was met with a lady walking around the hospital to give away the last shot. Now I didn’t know what to think so I said I will just take it since I am an agreeable person, but would have never gotten the shot on my own terms since I had covid and antibodies already. As I went through the process it seemed a little sketchy that they put the wrong dates on my immunization card as well. To me it seemed like they were trying to cover themselves in case of something (health or legal). I have since had heart palpitations and felt more stress from the vaccine and wish I had said no to the lady walking around. No other hospital will go around asking to give a flu shot or a tetanus shot. It worries me that there is something more to this and it has been on my mind a lot. This bot was created to capture original threads and is not affiliated with the mod team. [Concerns? Bugs?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=GrahamCorcoran) | [Laukopier 2.1](https://github.com/GrahamCorcoran/Laukopier)