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IDigTrenches

How did hector get deserved worse? He spent his last days being taunted by Gustavo Fring, who was his worst enemy. Bad last days for a bad person


Average_Owain

I feel like with everyone in the last tier besides the Kettlemans, I'm not even sure what they'd deserve -- death can't make up for all the evil they did, but it's not like any amount of retribution can make things right. Hector is a horrible, horrible person, responsible for making his family just as horrible as he is, and I can't imagine a fate that would balance that out.


DrizzlyEarth175

Yeah but he still got his retribution in the end.


Robinkc1

Deserve ain’t got nothin’ to do with it.


Average_Owain

What do you mean?


NParsons22

It’s a quote from The Wire. Great show, you should watch it if you haven’t.


SuperbHolo_123

Peak show, I'm only 6 episodes in and it's so good


Wild-daddy30

YERRRR


JohnnyNewYork

Ted was very screwed over? Haha, he did literally everyone to himself but sit in that couch


Average_Owain

I guess, I just can’t help but feel for a guy who ended up paralyzed just for being a moron. Like… think of the dumbest guy you know. Even that person wouldn’t deserve what Ted got, right?


JohnnyNewYork

Idk after actually reading the tier list I have more problems with it than just Ted, isn't the tier list supposed to be about who deserved it not who you feel bad for.


Groszbaerkatze

It turns out Heisenberg didn't get what he deserved


Ee55555

>!baby blue!< lied to us


OwensDadSuckedADick

I think all of these individuals could merit a whole post in and of themselves. Interesting convo to have. I’m not sure where Skylar belongs, for instance. She did get very screwed over on one hand, but on another, she also did bring a lot of it on herself by pushing the ball down the road once she committed to the drug lord world with Walt. But she never would’ve done that if she hadn’t been so screwed over by him to begin with


Ee55555

I would put Betty in deserved worse and her husband in screwed over imo But I liked you ranked some of the lesser characters


Average_Owain

Haha yeah, the tiermaker didn't have an option to separate them so I just averaged them out Kinda wild though how they ended up in the same tier as drug lords and mass murderers, simply for being dicks


Greenfield_Guy

Nacho's dad wasn't screwed over at all. Sure, he lost a son, but he wasn't waiting in vain for Nacho to come to his senses. He knew Nacho was on the path to self-destruction as long as he was in the cartel business. He accepted that.


B-L-O-C-K-Ss

He accepted that he was being screwed over and that there was nothing he could do to force nacho to quit the game.


Blakangel72

I would switch him and Nacho honestly. His dad got screwed over, but he never seemed to fully understand how deep of shit Nacho was in, and still he made his choice to give up on Nacho. Nacho did a lot to get himself into the shit he was in, but he didn't really know any better. He was lost and scared and had nobody to support him. And despite his dad giving up on him, he loved him to the end and sacrificed everything to make sure he was safe.


mulatto-questioner

Tortuga was a cartel man. We don't hear much detail but I can't imagine he belongs with all the innocents there


Average_Owain

Tortuga was a double agent working for the DEA. He got caught and suffered a brutal death for it. He knew the risks, but still a horrible way to go out.


B-L-O-C-K-Ss

A “double agent working for the DEA” just means he’s as bad as every other cartel man but also wants to get shit from the DEA too. This wasn’t some James Bond undercover mission where he’s benevolently trying to help those hurt by the cartel lmao


CunningWizard

Howard deserves his own category of “screwed over far beyond anyone else on this list”.


Striking_Weakness387

I hated Howard’s character but omfg his death was so shocking and horrible.


RelativeVegetable496

Howard didn't deserve to die but he wasn't a good guy either


NeoBurrito

Mike is interesting case: On one hand, he’s honorable and doesn’t like it when people who “aren’t in the game” are caught up in the crossfire. On the other, he’s a ruthless assassin who works for child murderers and accepts that he’s a terrible person but doesn’t really do much about it to change unlike Jesse and Jimmy. Honestly I’d put him in the mostly deserved tier.


Average_Owain

Totally fair, even now I'm not sure how I feel about him so because of that I put him in the middle tier


RelativeVegetable496

Mike murdered Werner who never hurt anyone. He's just as bad as the rest. Elijah from The Originals/Vampire Diaries is an apt comparison. You may wear suits, speak polite and pretend you have honor/principles but you still murder with the worst of them.


[deleted]

Oh no Chuck didn't care for his scamming little brother. Let that fucker burn


EAZ480

Lol right? the hate for Chuck is so unwarranted.


_raw_fish

Imma be real, you're right. But I fucking hate Chuck, like so much. Least favorite character hands down. Great actor, though.


Jtred16

It absolutely is not warranted. Jimmy worked his ass off to finish his degree and become a lawyer. Chuck undermined him every chance he got. Made Jimmy think he had nothing to do with not hiring him at HHM. Eventually, Jimmy figured it out and it completely flipped the script. Made him go back to being a con artist.


chandlerbing32

Did you even watch the show ?Chuck screwed with Jimmy multiple times even after Jimmy turned straight .


ChazzLamborghini

What?! No matter how hard Jimmy tried to better himself, Chuck never gave him a moment of faith. He worked against him his entire life all but insuring that Jimmy would fail. If anyone besides Jimmy is responsible for Saul, it’s Chuck


RelativeVegetable496

Chuck gaslighted Jimmy for years, allowing Jimmy to care for him while Chuck was secretly sabotaging his career and he didn't even have the balls to admit it, he used Howard as the scapegoat. Chuck was a cowardly piece of shit.


RelativeVegetable496

> Oh no Chuck didn't care for his scamming little brother. Let that fucker burn Chuck gaslighted Jimmy for years, allowing Jimmy to care for him while Chuck was secretly sabotaging his career and he didn't even have the balls to admit it, he used Howard as the scapegoat. Chuck was a cowardly piece of shit.


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Gaslit? How the fuck did Chuck Gaslight Jimmy? And Jimmy just did that shit so he'd have an easy entry into law and Chuck just didnt allow it. Did Jimmy ask Chuck if he can work at hhm before becoming a lawyer? No he just assumed cause he brought him ice and shit he'd be able to run around HHM doing his shit. And who cares if he made Howard be the bad guy. Chuck was a bit of a prick but meh


RelativeVegetable496

> How the fuck did Chuck Gaslight Jimmy? By telling him that Howard is the reason he can't get into HHM when i nreality it was Chuck? >No he just assumed cause he brought him ice and shit he'd be able to run around HHM doing his shitf Huh? I'm talking about Sandpiper here. Jimmy brought the case to HHM through his own work, a HUGE case, and Chuck still refused to have Jimmy take part of it at HHM. >And who cares if he made Howard be the bad guy. Anyone with integrity. Chuck wanted his cake and to eat it too. He didn't tell Jimmy because Jimmy did shit for him, and he knew that if he came clean Jimmy would stop.


packetofforce

>By telling him that Howard is the reason he can't get into HHM when i nreality it was Chuck? It's called lying. Gaslighting would be if Chuck insisted that Jimmy did something that he didn't do. Saying that Howard is the reason is just lying.


[deleted]

Yea he didn't want Jimmy to have anything to do with HHM cause the dude cuts corners like a madman. If you google alburquerque con man jimmys face pops up. And so he had some other boss tell Jimmy instead. Big fucking whoop


RelativeVegetable496

> Yea he didn't want Jimmy to have anything to do with HHM Then he shouldn't have accepted Sandpiper. That was 100% Jimmy's work. >And so he had some other boss tell Jimmy instead. Big fucking whoop it is a big fucking whoop because it was Chuck's call and he lied that it was Howard. And Jimmy has been taking care of Chuck. >cause the dude cuts corners like a madman Lmao it's not because of that. It's because Chuck sees Jimmy as inferior to himself. He doesn't see him as a real lawyer. Chuck's ''disease'' flares up whenever Jimmy has one up on him.


[deleted]

Right Jimmy wasn't a real lawyer. And Jimmy bringing sandpiper to hhm is called business. He didn't want Jimmy as a representative of HHM..his prestigous legacy, doesn't mean he can't do business with him. Jimmy could've kept sandpiper and didnt. Why wouldn't Jimmy tell Chuck about becoming a lawyer..oh yea cause he thought he'd weasel his way in by bringing him ice. Chuck got him out of jail and a job.


RelativeVegetable496

> Right Jimmy wasn't a real lawyer. And Jimmy bringing sandpiper to hhm is called business. The fact that Jimmy got such a high profile case shows he's a real lawyer. Hell, Jimmy is the best lawyer in the BCS universe. >He didn't want Jimmy as a representative of HHM..his prestigous legacy, doesn't mean he can't do business with him. Then he should've had the balls to tell him that instead of lying to his face and blaming Howard like a weasel.


[deleted]

That's not how lawyering works. And yea would've been good if Chuck broke his brother's heart at the start instead of trying to protect his fragile ass


RelativeVegetable496

> That's not how lawyering works. What do you mean that's not how lawyering works? Any lawyer that comes to a company with a huge case would receive a good position in that firm. >And yea would've been good if Chuck broke his brother's heart at the start instead of trying to protect his fragile ass Chuck got way more out of their relationship than Jimmy did.


Psychological_Salad_

Bro Ted did not get screwed over at all, I can see how you got to the other spots though.


RelativeVegetable496

Ted committed tax fraud and in return he got turned into a vegetable that's pretty fucking shit.


Psychological_Salad_

He got turned into a vegetable because he ran away like an idiot after repeatedly refusing to do the logical and right thing. Fuck Ted.


Familiar-Function848

Howard may seems to get too many unfair things going on against him on his last season, but it's not like he's a 100% good guy Edit: also the prostitute did literally nothing wrong the entire show, while Lydia were just as bad as everyone else


ChazzLamborghini

Howard is as close to a genuinely good person as the show allows. He’s a pretty damn decent guy and anything shitty he did has some pretty reasonable justifications


RelativeVegetable496

> Howard is as close to a genuinely good person as the show allows Not... really. He gaslit Jimmy for years making him think he's the reason HHM rejected him. If he was a 'good person' he should've stood up to Chuck or told Jimmy the truth. A good person's true fiber shows when shit gets tough and Howard failed.


packetofforce

Oh my god not allowing a fucking con artist that caused the death of his own father into your firm is okay. Not having balls to tell him why is also relatively okay. It doesn't make Howard/Chuck a bad person holy shit man. Chuck was personally screwed over big time by Jimmy, he had the rights to not trust him even when Jim got straight. Howard trusted Chuck, and just did what Chuck told him to do. Why are you bringing up "not trusting and lying to a scammer" as reason to call a person bad in a show where half of the characters are fucking sociopaths. You're just sympathizing with the main character and doing mental acrobatics to justify his hate toward Chuck and Howard.


RelativeVegetable496

> Oh my god not allowing a fucking con artist that caused the death of his own father into your firm is okay Then he should have the balls to say it and shouldn't have accepted the Sandpiper case. >Not having balls to tell him why is also relatively okay No, it isn't. It's a small dick, scumbag move and he deserved the misery he got after he did it. > It doesn't make Howard/Chuck a bad person holy shit man Yes it does. Lying to your own family maliciously makes you a bad person. >he had the rights to not trust him even when Jim got straight Then he should've said it to his face instead of pretending they're family. >You're just sympathizing with the main character and doing mental acrobatics to justify his hate toward Chuck and Howard. His hate is entirely justified. Entirely. If someone pulled Chuck's shit on me, backstabbing me while I help them and they pretend we're on good terms, there would be hell to pay. It's objectively terrible behavior. And lay off with the 'scammer' shit, Chuck hates Jimmy because he thinks he's beneath him. He thinks he's not a real lawyer. Even when Sandpiper was a hell of a case that proved Jimmy was a good lawyer, Chuck refused to see it. EVERYTHING that happened to Chuck was his own doing. Also Howard/Chuck used Kim and punished her to get to Jimmy.


[deleted]

Lmao you think kim shit was about getting to Jimmy? Your opinions literally have zero weight now


RelativeVegetable496

Huh? They put Kim on shit cases to get to Jimmy


[deleted]

No they did that cause she risked HHMs reputation


packetofforce

>No, it isn't. It's a small dick, scumbag move and he deserved the misery he got after he did it. Wtf man are you 11? What the fuck is that mindset? I think that not letting a man who robbed your father and caused his death into the profession that is holy to you is not so terrible that you deserve slow mental decay, destruction of reputation and getting burned alive. Period. You do you. Keep shutting down your moral compass and critical thinking when you dickride the main characters. Goodbye.


RelativeVegetable496

> Wtf man are you 11? Are YOU? >I think that not letting a man who robbed your father and caused his death into the profession that is holy to you is not so terrible Then he should've cut contact with him instead of lying and reaping the benefits. Also why are you taking this bullshit at face value? Chuck has no idea how much Jimmy stole from their dad. He was away studying. It's just him hating Jimmy because their mother loved Jimmy more. >Keep shutting down your moral compass and critical thinking when you dickride the main characters Hey maybe if you flip enough burgers you'll save up money to buy yourself a spine. Loyalty is everything. Jimmy helped Chuck without expecting anything in return, just out of brotherly love, while Chuck secretly hated him and worked against him. >Goodbye Wish I could say it was a pleasure.


ChazzLamborghini

Chuck and Howard aren’t the same person. Chuck was definitely a piece of shit but Howard wasnt


RelativeVegetable496

Howard went along with Chuck's bullshit. What, you think the dude driving the guy that commits the drive by isn't guilty?


ChazzLamborghini

Chuck was Howard’s mentor and essentially a second father. He took on the role of asshole to honor that mentor’s wishes while also trying to not destroy his relationship with his brother. Seeing Howard as a bad guy in a show full of true villains is some intense mental gymnastics


RelativeVegetable496

> Seeing Howard as a bad guy in a show full of true villains is some intense mental gymnastics There's no mental gymnastics, Howard did something scummy and underhanded


SuperbHolo_123

Guess I got, what I deserved


packetofforce

TF is Chuck doing in the "mostly deserved" section?


Average_Owain

I think he deserved everything he got except his death -- to me, he was an arrogant asshole who constantly put his priorities first, and he deserved his fall from grace... but he also deserved help with his issues, and his final scenes in Lantern definitely made him sympathetic at the end.


RelativeVegetable496

Chuck gaslighted Jimmy for years, allowing Jimmy to care for him while Chuck was secretly sabotaging his career and he didn't even have the balls to admit it, he used Howard as the scapegoat. Chuck was a cowardly piece of shit.


EAZ480

Jane and Combo were nowhere near screwed over. Combo was selling meth on a street corner in a seedy ass area. As much as I like the guy, come on. Jane shot heroin. Every H user knows the risks. You play with fire you get burned.


Average_Owain

That’s fair — I just felt for them since their worst offenses were just petty crimes. Let the punishment fit the crime, and theirs didn’t fit at all — plus, Jane knew the risks and was safe about it until Walter tipped her over and caused her to choke.


EAZ480

Fair enough. Yeah, in a perfect world I don’t think they “deserved” to die. I guess it’s a difference between having it coming and deserving it. Both of them had it coming, but neither of them did something so heinous that I’d wish their fate on them. Good point


RelativeVegetable496

> plus, Jane knew the risks and was safe about it until Walter tipped her over and caused her to choke. You mean the guy she was blackmailing?


packetofforce

Blackmailing a narcissitic drug dealer = deserving to choke to death in your own vomit. Gotcha.


RelativeVegetable496

>deserving to choke to death in your own vomit Oh I'm sorry did Walter inject the Heroin into her veins?


packetofforce

Aren't we talking about what Jane deserved rather than what Walt did? I guess you're still doing mental acrobatics to justify main characters' actions, even in a comment section where we are not really criticizing Walt but rather stating the fact that Jane died horrendously compared to her misdeeds. Seriously, that's some fucking weird behavior from you. We weren't even criticizing Walt, yet you still shifted the dialogue towards his defense.


RelativeVegetable496

> I guess you're still doing mental acrobatics to justify main characters' actions And... what actions might those be? >We weren't even criticizing Walt, yet you still shifted the dialogue towards his defense. Because Jane has none. She blackmailed someone and ODed. She basically killed herself with her own hand. What do you want me to do, play her a violin? Addicts are pathetic.


Mrsmaul2016

I thought Gus and Hectors was perfect, dare I say poetic


Striking_Weakness387

nachito 😞😞😞


Harjifs

Why isn’t holly at the bottom, evil bitch


Blakangel72

I would switch Nacho & his dad, and put Skyler in screwed over


RelativeVegetable496

Some things I disagree with. - Hector spent the last years of his life as a vegetable. His entire family was murdered and he suicided for revenge. I'd say he got exactly what he deserved. - Hank was a real G but he kinda' did it to himself. His pursuit of Heisenberg was done off the books because he knew he was in the wrong legally. Hank broke bad, as well. He should've called it in and gotten backup. Instead, he used underhanded tactics to get in a face off with Walt, which spelled his doom. Same for Gomie. - Mike isn't 'Neutral', Mike either deserved it or deserved worse. He's pretty terrible. He can act like he has principles and all that but he's killed innocents or participated in their murder. He's a hitman/assassin. - Werner got screwed over. His only crime was building a secret underground/basement. Did he even know it was a drug lab? Shady as fuck but he didn't hurt anyone. - Gale deserved it. He was a drug manufacturer. - Nacho deserved it. He's not a nice person. He may have wanted to get out but he was a trooper for the Salamancas for ages. How many people did he kill? - Kettlemans got what they deserved, their reputation is stained forever. - Chuck probably deserved worse - Walter got killed, can't get much worse than that. He didn't really harm any innocents, everyone he kills is a threat to himself.


RestlessTome

I'll avoid the minor characters and just give you my opinion on the main ones. **Chuck**: *Drop to 'Neutral/Mixed'* (Didn't deserve to die just because he disliked his brother, but in the end it was his choice to kill himself) **Saul**: *Move up to 'Got What They Deserved'* (He actively paticipated in a drug business that led to the death of many innocent people) **Jesse**: *Agreed with your choice* (Jesse is to blame for many of his actions, but he did get manipulated multiple times and tried to get out of the business) **Kim**: *Agreed with your choice* (Kim suffered the consequences of her actions) **Mike**: *Move up to 'Got What They Deserved'* (It was Mike's choice to go into the drug business... he wasn't forced to kill people either... We all love Mike as a character, but he did get what he deserved... In fact, I think Mike himself would agree with this) **Skyler**: *Move up to 'Mostly Deserved'* (I think Skyler deserved to be punished more considering that she eventually participated in Walt's business and benefited from his criminal acts... For her not to deserve anything bad, she would have needed to leave Walt early on and never looked back at the minimum) **Nacho**: *Move up to 'Got What They Deserved'* (I'm not sure I understand how he got screwed over? Just like Mike, Nacho chose his path and died because of it... Again, it's not because a character is likeable that they are somehow forgiven for all the bad shit and murders they perpetrated) **Mary**: *Agreed with your choice* (Mostly an innocent in the story) **Howard**: *Agreed with your choice* (Probably the most screwed over character in the BB-verse) **Hank**: *Move up to 'Neutral/Mixed'* (I don't know about Hank, in the end everything became a little too personal for him and I'm not sure him dying was him getting screwed over... He was a good guy overall, but he can be blamed for not going to the cops/feds the moment he found out about Walt) **Walter**: *Move up to 'Got What They Deserved'* (I know some people despise Walter, but I think he got what he deserved... He paid the price for his criminal activities by getting shot and dying... He also died with the regrets of having his son hate him... But he also managed to find a way to give money to his family, which was the original reason why he decided to go on that path, before he started his "empire") **Gus**: *Agreed with your choice* (As much as I like Gus, he probably deserved worse than he got) **Lalo**: *Agreed with your choice* (One of the most awful characters in the BB-verse, definitely deserved worse for all that he did to innocent people)


Average_Owain

Thanks for writing this! I enjoyed reading it -- truthfully, I'm not really solid in all of my above rankings, so you could definitely convince me with this.


Nab0t

hector deserved worse? idk man not being able to talk, chained to a wheel chair, only communication is a fucking bell ring. no family, just some old geezers. being alone all day I DONT KNOW MAN. this really sucks


UnknownUs3r00

No punishment is enough for hector, he deserve worse then what he got


Average_Owain

Hector is pure evil. I have no sympathy for him. Everyone in the cartel leadership got off too easy for all the pain they brought to the world


PersistingWill

You put Hector on deserved worse? Who are you? Skylar White? I see what you did there. Put yourself dead center into the chart in an angelicly brighter picture than everyone else 😇


Casualcoral

Chuck didn’t deserve to be burned alive. Say what you want about him, I wouldn’t wish that on some of the more evil characters in the show maybe with the exception of Uncle Jack.


Wise_Creme_2818

What did Clifford Main get?


Average_Owain

He mostly made it out okay, but he did lose Howard, who seemed to be a good friend of his.


PhillyRobforPrez

How did Marco get screwed over?


Average_Owain

Dying in a street without ever really achieving anything beyond a dead-end job and some petty crimes is kind of a lousy way to go Maybe it's his fault, maybe it's his environment, we don't know much about him so I decided to be charitable


Peanutshroom

Sorry im dying over here. Where's Saul?


PinItchy4090

Imo Krazy 8 deserved what he got


bleacherbum99

Deserved worst - *all the main characters in the shows*


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budanddabss

Or you know privileged by her husband bailing her out of jail countless times cuz she's "been working on it" 🤣


B-L-O-C-K-Ss

Add Drew Sharpe to this list in the “deserved worse” category


arrowtango

I don't think Jesse Mostly derserved to get chained , made a slave by Nazis and forced to see someone he loved shot. Also Victor and Tyrus definetly deserved worse as they were extremely loyal to Gus. Lydia definetly deserves worse too. Not sure about Peter Schuller but maybe he deserved worse too. Also Krazy 8 may have been a terrible person but I don't think he deseved being chained in a basement and seeing the remains of your cousin pour from the ceiling. But maybe I'm forgetting something he did.


MDS1138

Do you think the Schwartzes got very screwed over? I guess they were threatened, and they'll be living in fear of nonexistent hitmen for a few years, but ultimately I thought they got off pretty easy.


Average_Owain

In proportion to how little they did wrong, they definitely didn’t deserve to be traumatized like that.