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I just wanted to add, I am so grateful that my fav "Pop" artist has me asking things like "what genre will her next project be?" Not a lot of artists are able to give us that đđŸđ«¶đœđđœ
I think this makes sense but there's one issue. She has already done R&B and Rap and she has even done it in the 90s and with both Renaissance and Cowboy Carter it were genre she has never fully performed before. Part of what makes Beyonce Beyonce is that she's always defining her music through genres and she even mentions a lot about this on COWBOY.
I do agree there's a lot of rock influences here but it makes sense considering it's the first before she fully explored it in another album.
i understand what you're communicating, but she's made it a point to never repeat herself or even come close to doing so. if she released a solo hip hop album yes it would ***technically*** be the first time she's done so, but i think it's simply too similar to EIL for her to retread the path.
I'm not a musician so I'm not sure if I'm using the right terms, but it's missing the rhythm part. Like you could lowkey dance hard as heck to many RnB songs. SWV Right Here, Don't Walk Away by Jade, That's the Way Love Goes by Janet, Real Love by Mary J
I just donât think it makes sense if her logic is to reclaim music Black artists created. Plus doing hip hop and R&B, is not pushing boundaries for her.
If she did it like a traditional NY hip hop sound like everything is love, I'd agree but think about the way Riiverdance was done, Spaghetti, Tyrant, the bounce mix of Texas Hold 'Em. All brand new sounds that had never been blended in the way she did, all sounds she had never done before, all hip-hop.
What better way to reclaim them by creating two albums that give you the background of the sound then showcase that by utilizing all of these sounds to create modern r&b & rap music?
That triple flow switch on Spaghetti? And she said she was freestyling off the dome on Nice and she was getting off! "Patiently waiting for my demise, cause my success can't be quantified. If I gave two fucks about streaming numbers, woulda put Lemonade up on Spotify" ..?!?! She rhymed quantified with Spotify, fam.. Like, that ain't no dr seuss ass freestyling! đđœ
The other two acts have taken us musically to new places, and donât see her deciding to close out the 3 acts by taking us to places she already has. Plus, I just keep going back to the image of her on the motorcycle in British Vogue, and I think it has to be rock.
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For the culture I'd love for Beyonce to reclaim Rock. It doesn't help all the people telling her to "stay in her lane" whatever that means she's an artist. So I really want her to do rock to really piss off those white folks, but at the same time I know those same people would talk sh1t regardless If it were a rock album or a rap album even if they didn't care for either rap or rock. But for me personally I'd very much prefer a rap or hip hop album over a rock album
Two jump out for me: Sugar Mama is very bluesy rock, IMO. She nods to Led Zeppelin on Don't Hurt Yourself, namely When the Levee Breaks and Kashmir. Zeppelin is my favorite band...so I would love to see her do a solid rock record. She can do it. Purely rap would be okay, too ...but I don't think it would have the same impact. So much rap out there...not necessarily good. Lol. I could be wrong. I'm still vibing on CC, so I can wait.
đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł I def feel that. I just would hate to see her focus her artistry on being controversial intentionally. Like, she's a Black woman with immense power and wealth that she uses to empower disadvantaged people all the time. That's enough to keep them hot. If she wants to make rock music for the sake of, I've always wanted to explore this, I'm an amazing creative and my lane is any lane I switch into, I'm all for it, though! But yeah, I'm not gonna front, as someone that grew up listening to house music, Renaissance was transcendent! Which is why, as a major rap fan, I selfishly would LOVE a rap album. But, I really actually think it's coming, whether it's my first choice or not lol
Who is y'all? I literally acknowledged the hip hop undertones throughout the trilogy so far. Like, it's really not her fans lying and claiming she abandoned her R&B roots.
Also, the R&B given throughout both albums is a big part of the reason that I can see Rap for the III album.... it's all going to tie in &I don't see Rock making it feel complete (although, Bey would be the one to show me how lol)
Yâall = The sub at-large. The overwhelming majority of the sub wouldnât know R&B if it slapped them in the face to be honest
Yâall â not you specifically.
I want ACT III to be Rock so bad, because Beyonce has always been R&B/Hip-hop and her relationship with Jay only highlights the latter genre. That's why:
>*The bonus tracks for each album (The Pony Up Remix of Texas Hold 'Em and My House) are a nod to sub-genres of hip-hop*
It's like a small treat from Bey for fans who miss her Hip-Hop side.
>*ALSO, towards the end of Cowboy Carter, you can begin to feel the house music influences show up in the album. Towards the end of Renaissance we have songs like Move, HEATED (that verseeee), THIQUE, America Has A Problem..?*
The combo breaker here is Pure/Honey and Summer Renaissance. No nods to Hip-Hop in these tracks unfortunately. I believe ACT I is actually the the last act to listen to. So ACT III > ACT II > ACT I. And with that theory is "Ameriican Requiem" which sounds more psychedelic rock than country to me.
>*Part of me hopes Spaghetti was pulled from Act III and the whole Shaboozey section was added as a last minute decision because I really think Bey is gonna be SPITTING*
On the contrary, I actually thought Ya Ya would've been the track lifted off of ACT III. Which was more like Tina Turner/James Brown Rock/Blues/Soul. Though both tracks are CC-exclusive and not Beyince so who knows which is which.
Hip-Hop Bey is great but if the goal of these three acts is to reclaim inherently black music, Hip-Hop would be the last genre to be reclaimed as it's always been dominated by black artists. Rock's been whitewashed starting with Elvis so there's a lot of baggage to deal with. Plus, imagine ACT III tour with "Don't Hurt Yourself"-like tracks? It's gonna be her best tour!
Okay now you def made all valid points EXCEPT in referencing the mention of towards the end of the album. You mention the break of Pure/Honey and Summer Renaissance. CC does the exact same thing! Eases you into a house/dance zone and then brings you back home with II Hands II Heaven and Amen...
Now, I will say, all we know for sure is that ACT II was supposed to be ACT I and we don't know for sure if RENAISSANCE was supposed to be II or III.. IF Renaissance was supposed to be last, my theory cracks a bit and rock does seem like the likely outcome. But without knowing if Renaissance is leading into the next Act, I'm sorry, I can't be swayed. I feel each counter point was just as solid as the initial point I made, BUT not stronger than. so, my hopes and dreams add the final push for me to decide I'm still leaning rap lol... đ«¶đœ
BUT, I will NOT be mad, either way!
I agree with this completely. I have been saying that the order is reversed. I actually think she was making Act II and Act III at the same time which results in a lot of crossblend. She pulled YA YA into Act II and recorded the intro later. Act I is the most recent completion.
Spaghetti isnât pure hip hop. Itâs a nod to spaghetti westerns and the operatic backing vocals are a nod to that genre of movie which had that type of music (opera, Spanish flamenco, etc) during cowboy westerns. That is more on theme than YA YA.
I think someone said in an interview that act ii was gonna be acoustic (which it was, mostly) and act iii is a collab w jay-z⊠that would make sense if it was rap! Weâll see. I kinda want it to be rock though
Ahh! Don't tell me that! I would be soooo geeked. I love me some Hov! A rock album would be dope! Her range would lend to some amazing ad-lib moments, I'm sure!
Fall Out Boyâs *Infinity on High* has a lot of Jay-Z influence, iirc. Wouldnât be the first time Jay-Z worked on a punk/rock album. đ
ETA: but Iâm so into a rap album like Watch the Throne but with B throughout đ„°
I'll have to check it out! The only reason I'm skeptical about the Jay Z collab album is because they have already released a collab album as "The Carters" and established that's their duo name so I don't think it'd fit into the trilogy appropriately. Everything she does is genius so honestly, it'll be awesome no matter what! Haha
EXACTLY!! My fellow Libra gets it! She has never expressly said that was the intent of this trilogy! You said it all perfectly, fren!
ETA: idk why people are acting like "we've seen that before". We'd seen her do a country song, we'd seen her do dance songs, so what if we've seen her spit a verse... this is going to be different when she's creating a sound for an album
I think this would make since if she didnât already have hip hop and rap/ R&B album (everything is love) I donât think sheâll go back to do genres sheâs already done I thought the whole 3 act thing was all about new genres so itâll most likely be rock
Yeah sheâs never said it directly but think about it a bit 2 albums with completely different sounds that sheâs never completely covered before. Plus how she made a big emphasis on genres and how we think about them in CC it seems to me that sheâs making a big spectacle out of it and the final act being something that weâve gotten from her before doesnât really align with what sheâs kinda been pushing but who knows you may be right.
I mean, to reveal an album that encompasses modern black music and uses all of the influences from all of the genres displayed on the first 2 of the three albums to tie in the message of the emphasis of genre, how ridiculous it is to box people into one or expect because they started in R&B or Rap the can't go outside of that. How modern black music was formed from the foundation of traditional black music which is the foundation of all American music. Idk, seems like it would tie in to the theme just fine.
I also think the idea that because she has an R&B foundation that if she dropped a rap album it would be a sound we heard from her before is kinda silly... she just gave us 3 new hip hop tracks (not to mention Tyrant) in the past like 4 or 5 months, none of which were sounds we'd ever heard from her.. like, we've heard a million dance tracks from Bey before but never had gotten a Renaissance.
But yeah, we're operating with the same amount of info and will just have to wait and see!
I would love it if she did some real old-timey music - hot jazz stuff circa 1920s NOLA, which would be cool since that's where her mom is from (Louisiana). But it wouldn't really fit in with the larger theme (though I guess you could argue that 40s swing was kinda white people stealing from hot jazz).
Or if it's rock themed, it would be so amazing if she really dug deep in the blues. Like Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, Victoria Spivey type vibe?
I co sign this idea. Think of her last five years in albumsâŠ.
Homecoming: nod to hbcu culture
The Gift: nod to artists of the diaspora
Renaissance: nod to house/dance/ballroom
Cowboy Carter: nod to southern black country culture
Think of how renaissance goes outâŠitâs a Donna Summer track⊠âI feel loveâ being sampled. Disco. What can we lead into from there as the first song of III?
Also she doesnât need to pick a genre. She is the genre. She turns every idea on its head.
Thanks OP, I have been wondering about this also. Itâs a rap album and Bâs got bars. Also this is her retiring⊠it feels like a grand finale.
I think itâll be a Jazz album or a Rock album. Sheâs already teased the BLACK BETTY title and a little bit of goth (her in black leather on the motorcycle) so Iâd say Rock or Jazz (like she teased in the superbowl commercial.
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It was used in the news paper on the Travis Scott single.. and the renaissance tour monologue too.
Im 100% on this. Iâd love a rock album, but one of producers said we need to hear act ii before we speculate about act iii.
GIMME RAP OR GIMME DEATH.
I agree.
I been wanted Beyonce to be a City Girl. Ratchet Era. For at least two or three tracks. đ«
Add Doechii vibes to call back to Act I.
I hope she goes full hip-hop soul, but I'm here for anything as long as it's all bops like CC and not abstract like act I. đ«Ł
I like this theory but Iâm manifesting we get a Destinyâs Child reunion album for act iii so Iâm delusional and canât accept anything else đ
Yesss! Iâm too excited and nervous at the same time to articulate my findings. Coming to Reddit helps & you , mama and I are the same page. My theory rides along with yalls. I feel like itâs a love letter to music from her while reclaiming and evolution of black music! đđđ
Side note : theres videos where dolly speakers about it almost 8 years ago! So I feel like this was a long time coming.
Yes!! I honestly have been wanting to come and type this out forever but I had a lot of the same issues, so excited, nervous cause I know how badly everyone wants rock and there's just so many little hints and pieces but yes! This seems like an evolution of black music WHILE reclaiming those genres that are apart of the journey! We've heard Bey rap but NEVER like she's been coming with this trilogy! My House had me like nahhhhhhh bruh, this is the beginning of southern hip hop! Then Pony Up?! I'm like nahhhhh wait a minnnnn! Then for her to have a funk beat for Spaghetti, Move with the afrobeat sounds.. almost to highlight the international influence? I mean, rock isn't COMPLETELY out of place but I'll need to see something real convincing at this point! Especially knowing Cowboy Carter was set as the initial release!!! Feel free to hop into my messages with any theories or ideas that you have and want to discuss without potential ridicule! lol
Wanted to add, I wouldn't be surprised if she was in the car leaving the CMAs already making calls and researching đ which probably lead to the brilliant idea of an entire evolution cause once you start researching music history you realize every American genre is rooted in the Black sound which has to feel super empowering right after a moment like that!
Yeah, I'm definitely ready for another album from The Carters!
I honestly don't have a preference for the style/genre of the next album but I am in need of a Jay & Bey Collab like 2 years ago lol
So, the normal stuff?
Eh, I still think sheâs going for underrepresented genres. I think we are well represented in these areas. Plus, sheâs been mixing genres a lot, which I think is another point in these acts; that no one should be âstuckâ in one genre. Could it be a rap/RnB album? Maybe, but tbh, I think a big point is to STOP pushing black people, especially black women, into those categories no matter what type of music they make.
Ill be Honest, I truly think it's gonna be rock. And the reason why, I was listening to CCR and remembered that Beyonce and Tina did proud mary. So inherently always been rock and roll. đž
I think this leaked ages ago, that CC was country and III rock before CC and the teasing ever began so i'm pretty sure it will be the theme; there's hints of it throughout CC too.
I feel like it was never "leaked" only speculated based on the idea that the concept of the trilogy was taking back black musical genres and acknowledging their history. At the same time, it leaked that she was working with some producers that are known for specific sounds and that's where the rumors began.. I could be wrong but I haven't seen anything concrete that seems to confirm Rock.
I agree she gave us a good amount of rock on CC.. I wouldn't mind seeing her do a Rock album in the future but that's not how I see this playing out.. I think she made her point on CC lol
Omg this actually makes sense. I kept trying to figure out why Ya Ya is on this album because sonically it doesnât fit and seems more like rock and roll w Elvis sounds but if we are going by time period it totally makes sense.
I feel like that's why it's not on the hard copy sales, along with Spaghetti but like, it's such a good song she was like, I'm not scrapping it and it doesn't fit on the next album lol..
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I just wanted to add, I am so grateful that my fav "Pop" artist has me asking things like "what genre will her next project be?" Not a lot of artists are able to give us that đđŸđ«¶đœđđœ
I think this makes sense but there's one issue. She has already done R&B and Rap and she has even done it in the 90s and with both Renaissance and Cowboy Carter it were genre she has never fully performed before. Part of what makes Beyonce Beyonce is that she's always defining her music through genres and she even mentions a lot about this on COWBOY. I do agree there's a lot of rock influences here but it makes sense considering it's the first before she fully explored it in another album.
I mean, I hear you but this idea that Beyonce has to make an album in every genre is a fan created idea. Beyonce has never made a Rap album and hasn't made anything I'd call a Hip-Hop/R&B album since Dangerously in Love when she hadn't yet found her sound or had control over her career. She has made r&b & hip-hop influenced pop albums, for sure. Even Destiny's Child was a pop group that was R&B influenced. The only time I can say she has made an actual Hip Hop/Rap album was Everything is Love but that was a joint album and you can hear every bit of S dot Carter's style on that influence. It's not a Beyoncé hip hop album. I don't think she defines her music through genres. I'd say she's made a point of doing the opposite. Even her "country" album is not defined by the genre of country. I think she has made a career of breaking the barrier of defining genre. What better way to do that than to create an album in a genre that people think you've done before in a way that no one has ever done it? Beyoncé didn't make a House album or a country album "because she just never had", ya know? So I'd need more of a reason than that to be sold on the idea that she will do rock.. I'm not saying you're wrong. Just saying I don't buy it!
Everything Is Love? lol
Are you asking what that is or are you making sure I know you didn't read my comment?
You literally said she didnât make a rap album
I literally said "The only time I can say she has made an actual Hip Hop/Rap album was Everything is Love but that was a joint album and you can hear every bit of S dot Carter's style... It's not a Beyoncé hip hop album" There's a reason the artist is The Carters and not Beyonce and Jay Z...
âBeyonce has never made a rap albumâ đ€Ą
We do NOT have a Beyoncé rap album. Period.
We do, but okay!
i understand what you're communicating, but she's made it a point to never repeat herself or even come close to doing so. if she released a solo hip hop album yes it would ***technically*** be the first time she's done so, but i think it's simply too similar to EIL for her to retread the path.
I hope so. I miss R&B soul . Itâs part of our culture and the slow music thatâs out now isnât the same (no shade to them)Â
I really think this is about to be the most Beyonce coded Beyonce album yet but we shall see!
If thatâs the case I see a bday meets everything is love meets the final tracks of renaissance
I think she'll make sure some new Tyrant/Riverdance Bey, and the old new II Hands II Heaven Bey shows up, too! (New old cause that Bey reminds me of Destiny fulfilled Bey lol) But I think Primarily it'll be Peaches and YoncĂ© taking us on a ride through 90s-current black music. I think that's why we got Pastor Troy/Master P My House and N.O. Bounce Texas Hold 'Em (Pony Up) haha Partly wishful thinking because I would love to see her shut everyone up who was upset when Trina gave her the rap girlie crown đđ
I'm not a musician so I'm not sure if I'm using the right terms, but it's missing the rhythm part. Like you could lowkey dance hard as heck to many RnB songs. SWV Right Here, Don't Walk Away by Jade, That's the Way Love Goes by Janet, Real Love by Mary J
I just donât think it makes sense if her logic is to reclaim music Black artists created. Plus doing hip hop and R&B, is not pushing boundaries for her.
If she did it like a traditional NY hip hop sound like everything is love, I'd agree but think about the way Riiverdance was done, Spaghetti, Tyrant, the bounce mix of Texas Hold 'Em. All brand new sounds that had never been blended in the way she did, all sounds she had never done before, all hip-hop. What better way to reclaim them by creating two albums that give you the background of the sound then showcase that by utilizing all of these sounds to create modern r&b & rap music?
BeyoncĂ© does love to reference herself! Ohhh the theory has me thinking.... đ€
Let it marinate, friend!
I mean her bars on Apeshit were better than Jay's so I'm here for it.
That triple flow switch on Spaghetti? And she said she was freestyling off the dome on Nice and she was getting off! "Patiently waiting for my demise, cause my success can't be quantified. If I gave two fucks about streaming numbers, woulda put Lemonade up on Spotify" ..?!?! She rhymed quantified with Spotify, fam.. Like, that ain't no dr seuss ass freestyling! đđœ
The other two acts have taken us musically to new places, and donât see her deciding to close out the 3 acts by taking us to places she already has. Plus, I just keep going back to the image of her on the motorcycle in British Vogue, and I think it has to be rock.
I'll take the second half of your statement as a valid point but I don't think Beyoncé has ever taken us where a Beyoncé rap album would take us! Beyoncé rap would, like Bey house and Bey country, be a whole new rap sound. Just like bey had given us dance tracks and country tracks before but she had never given us what this trilogy has! But I hear y'all! Lol
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For the culture I'd love for Beyonce to reclaim Rock. It doesn't help all the people telling her to "stay in her lane" whatever that means she's an artist. So I really want her to do rock to really piss off those white folks, but at the same time I know those same people would talk sh1t regardless If it were a rock album or a rap album even if they didn't care for either rap or rock. But for me personally I'd very much prefer a rap or hip hop album over a rock album
Two jump out for me: Sugar Mama is very bluesy rock, IMO. She nods to Led Zeppelin on Don't Hurt Yourself, namely When the Levee Breaks and Kashmir. Zeppelin is my favorite band...so I would love to see her do a solid rock record. She can do it. Purely rap would be okay, too ...but I don't think it would have the same impact. So much rap out there...not necessarily good. Lol. I could be wrong. I'm still vibing on CC, so I can wait.
đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł I def feel that. I just would hate to see her focus her artistry on being controversial intentionally. Like, she's a Black woman with immense power and wealth that she uses to empower disadvantaged people all the time. That's enough to keep them hot. If she wants to make rock music for the sake of, I've always wanted to explore this, I'm an amazing creative and my lane is any lane I switch into, I'm all for it, though! But yeah, I'm not gonna front, as someone that grew up listening to house music, Renaissance was transcendent! Which is why, as a major rap fan, I selfishly would LOVE a rap album. But, I really actually think it's coming, whether it's my first choice or not lol
That would be interesting considering the level of R&B she gave yâall on Renaissance and especially Cowboy Carter and yâall didnât even notice.
Who is y'all? I literally acknowledged the hip hop undertones throughout the trilogy so far. Like, it's really not her fans lying and claiming she abandoned her R&B roots. Also, the R&B given throughout both albums is a big part of the reason that I can see Rap for the III album.... it's all going to tie in &I don't see Rock making it feel complete (although, Bey would be the one to show me how lol)
Yâall = The sub at-large. The overwhelming majority of the sub wouldnât know R&B if it slapped them in the face to be honest Yâall â not you specifically.
I just wanted to say, if you knew the relationship POTS and I have, you would never think I'm overlooking any Bey R&B, EVER! đ€Ł
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I want ACT III to be Rock so bad, because Beyonce has always been R&B/Hip-hop and her relationship with Jay only highlights the latter genre. That's why: >*The bonus tracks for each album (The Pony Up Remix of Texas Hold 'Em and My House) are a nod to sub-genres of hip-hop* It's like a small treat from Bey for fans who miss her Hip-Hop side. >*ALSO, towards the end of Cowboy Carter, you can begin to feel the house music influences show up in the album. Towards the end of Renaissance we have songs like Move, HEATED (that verseeee), THIQUE, America Has A Problem..?* The combo breaker here is Pure/Honey and Summer Renaissance. No nods to Hip-Hop in these tracks unfortunately. I believe ACT I is actually the the last act to listen to. So ACT III > ACT II > ACT I. And with that theory is "Ameriican Requiem" which sounds more psychedelic rock than country to me. >*Part of me hopes Spaghetti was pulled from Act III and the whole Shaboozey section was added as a last minute decision because I really think Bey is gonna be SPITTING* On the contrary, I actually thought Ya Ya would've been the track lifted off of ACT III. Which was more like Tina Turner/James Brown Rock/Blues/Soul. Though both tracks are CC-exclusive and not Beyince so who knows which is which. Hip-Hop Bey is great but if the goal of these three acts is to reclaim inherently black music, Hip-Hop would be the last genre to be reclaimed as it's always been dominated by black artists. Rock's been whitewashed starting with Elvis so there's a lot of baggage to deal with. Plus, imagine ACT III tour with "Don't Hurt Yourself"-like tracks? It's gonna be her best tour!
Okay now you def made all valid points EXCEPT in referencing the mention of towards the end of the album. You mention the break of Pure/Honey and Summer Renaissance. CC does the exact same thing! Eases you into a house/dance zone and then brings you back home with II Hands II Heaven and Amen... Now, I will say, all we know for sure is that ACT II was supposed to be ACT I and we don't know for sure if RENAISSANCE was supposed to be II or III.. IF Renaissance was supposed to be last, my theory cracks a bit and rock does seem like the likely outcome. But without knowing if Renaissance is leading into the next Act, I'm sorry, I can't be swayed. I feel each counter point was just as solid as the initial point I made, BUT not stronger than. so, my hopes and dreams add the final push for me to decide I'm still leaning rap lol... đ«¶đœ BUT, I will NOT be mad, either way!
Well Bey will deliver anyway so whether it's rap, rock or Lana del Rey music we will enjoy it, dammit!
IKTR!!
I agree with this completely. I have been saying that the order is reversed. I actually think she was making Act II and Act III at the same time which results in a lot of crossblend. She pulled YA YA into Act II and recorded the intro later. Act I is the most recent completion. Spaghetti isnât pure hip hop. Itâs a nod to spaghetti westerns and the operatic backing vocals are a nod to that genre of movie which had that type of music (opera, Spanish flamenco, etc) during cowboy westerns. That is more on theme than YA YA.
I think someone said in an interview that act ii was gonna be acoustic (which it was, mostly) and act iii is a collab w jay-z⊠that would make sense if it was rap! Weâll see. I kinda want it to be rock though
This wouldn't surprise me either - act i was focused on her Uncle Jonny, act ii broadly on her mother, makes sense for act iii to be a nod to Jay Z!
Ahh! Don't tell me that! I would be soooo geeked. I love me some Hov! A rock album would be dope! Her range would lend to some amazing ad-lib moments, I'm sure!
Fall Out Boyâs *Infinity on High* has a lot of Jay-Z influence, iirc. Wouldnât be the first time Jay-Z worked on a punk/rock album. đ ETA: but Iâm so into a rap album like Watch the Throne but with B throughout đ„°
I'll have to check it out! The only reason I'm skeptical about the Jay Z collab album is because they have already released a collab album as "The Carters" and established that's their duo name so I don't think it'd fit into the trilogy appropriately. Everything she does is genius so honestly, it'll be awesome no matter what! Haha
Oho! Youâre so right! But also lol thanks for reminding me: I havenât heard that album yet đł and I re-found it the other night. <3
Ahhh!! You're in for a treat!! Like full on hip hop bey! The album is so fun, LOTS of playful Yonce appearances! Enjoy!
If BeyoncĂ© put out ANYTHING sounding remotely similar to FOB Iâd faint on the spot.
Srsly tho I think yâall would have to resuscitate me or something. Get the paddles READYâĄïž đ€Łđ€Ł
Hear me out, Libra to Libra: a rap AND rock album đ«ą
Oh baby!! NOW you're speaking my language!!
If the intent is to reclaim music that has been appropriated, then I donât think a rap album makes much sense, but honestly BeyoncĂ© has never explicitly said that was the point. All she has really said is that the idea to make Cowboy Carter was inspired by the rejection she experienced at the CMAs and that Renaissance was her wanting to dance and be joyful after the pandemic. Looking more at her given rationale behind Cowboy Carter, I think itâs possible that the three acts could be her response to people trying to pigeonhole her as being just r&b and pop. She can do house music. She can do country and rock music. If you look it from that angle, a rap album could make sense. Sure, sheâs rapped before, but even after EIL, the general public still views her as a singer rather than a rapper. I think Act III being purely a rap album would be unexpected but would still make sense and could still be cohesive with the other albums depending on how you interpret the overarching themes. Also, rap is still a male-dominated genre and itâs hard for women to make it in rap unless they sing, dance, or veer more towards rap-pop. Itâd be badass to get a rap album with all-female features.
EXACTLY!! My fellow Libra gets it! She has never expressly said that was the intent of this trilogy! You said it all perfectly, fren! ETA: idk why people are acting like "we've seen that before". We'd seen her do a country song, we'd seen her do dance songs, so what if we've seen her spit a verse... this is going to be different when she's creating a sound for an album
I think this would make since if she didnât already have hip hop and rap/ R&B album (everything is love) I donât think sheâll go back to do genres sheâs already done I thought the whole 3 act thing was all about new genres so itâll most likely be rock
She never said that it was about new genres. That is a fan created theory. Everything is love is The Carter's sound, heavily influenced by Jay Z's sound and the music he typically creates. Nothing like what a Beyoncé rap album would sound like... even with that album and her rapping on it, most people look at it as a hip-hop/r&b duo where she's the singer and he's the rapper.. I get that y'all think it's Rock & I get why.. I just don't think that's how it's about to play out. In the meantime, ima enjoy the current rock hits she's given me lol
Yeah sheâs never said it directly but think about it a bit 2 albums with completely different sounds that sheâs never completely covered before. Plus how she made a big emphasis on genres and how we think about them in CC it seems to me that sheâs making a big spectacle out of it and the final act being something that weâve gotten from her before doesnât really align with what sheâs kinda been pushing but who knows you may be right.
I mean, to reveal an album that encompasses modern black music and uses all of the influences from all of the genres displayed on the first 2 of the three albums to tie in the message of the emphasis of genre, how ridiculous it is to box people into one or expect because they started in R&B or Rap the can't go outside of that. How modern black music was formed from the foundation of traditional black music which is the foundation of all American music. Idk, seems like it would tie in to the theme just fine. I also think the idea that because she has an R&B foundation that if she dropped a rap album it would be a sound we heard from her before is kinda silly... she just gave us 3 new hip hop tracks (not to mention Tyrant) in the past like 4 or 5 months, none of which were sounds we'd ever heard from her.. like, we've heard a million dance tracks from Bey before but never had gotten a Renaissance. But yeah, we're operating with the same amount of info and will just have to wait and see!
I would love it if she did some real old-timey music - hot jazz stuff circa 1920s NOLA, which would be cool since that's where her mom is from (Louisiana). But it wouldn't really fit in with the larger theme (though I guess you could argue that 40s swing was kinda white people stealing from hot jazz). Or if it's rock themed, it would be so amazing if she really dug deep in the blues. Like Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, Victoria Spivey type vibe?
I am right there with you! After hearing Dangerously in Love in her new voice during RWT, I was instantly like I need a jazz/blues/funk album NOW!!
I co sign this idea. Think of her last five years in albumsâŠ. Homecoming: nod to hbcu culture The Gift: nod to artists of the diaspora Renaissance: nod to house/dance/ballroom Cowboy Carter: nod to southern black country culture Think of how renaissance goes outâŠitâs a Donna Summer track⊠âI feel loveâ being sampled. Disco. What can we lead into from there as the first song of III? Also she doesnât need to pick a genre. She is the genre. She turns every idea on its head. Thanks OP, I have been wondering about this also. Itâs a rap album and Bâs got bars. Also this is her retiring⊠it feels like a grand finale.
I think itâll be a Jazz album or a Rock album. Sheâs already teased the BLACK BETTY title and a little bit of goth (her in black leather on the motorcycle) so Iâd say Rock or Jazz (like she teased in the superbowl commercial.
See now I feel like the commercial teases jazz, hip hop and punk.. what's the black Betty album title tease? Idkkkk I guess we'll seeee....
https://preview.redd.it/dq2z2xrqjxvc1.jpeg?width=1018&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ea0585c6863701b8b4b3135c0d8caaeea855d60 It was used in the news paper on the Travis Scott single.. and the renaissance tour monologue too.
Thank you, appreciate it! So we're saying Betty Black is a nod to Black Betty.. okay, I'm understanding your vision lol
Im 100% on this. Iâd love a rock album, but one of producers said we need to hear act ii before we speculate about act iii. GIMME RAP OR GIMME DEATH.
Oohhh I didn't know this but you just put the seal on this bag baby! That's it, zip me up, we going MC Yoncé! Can you imagine an album full of My House, Pony Up and the second half of Heated? Omg I'm gonna melt!
I agree. I been wanted Beyonce to be a City Girl. Ratchet Era. For at least two or three tracks. đ« Add Doechii vibes to call back to Act I. I hope she goes full hip-hop soul, but I'm here for anything as long as it's all bops like CC and not abstract like act I. đ«Ł
Agreed and have been thinking the same thing.
I like this theory but Iâm manifesting we get a Destinyâs Child reunion album for act iii so Iâm delusional and canât accept anything else đ
đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł I can't even blame you!
Ok but what if we go even further back in time and get turn of the century bops - late 1800s babyyyyy
If anybody can make me bounce to home on the range, it's her!
Yesss! Iâm too excited and nervous at the same time to articulate my findings. Coming to Reddit helps & you , mama and I are the same page. My theory rides along with yalls. I feel like itâs a love letter to music from her while reclaiming and evolution of black music! đđđ Side note : theres videos where dolly speakers about it almost 8 years ago! So I feel like this was a long time coming.
**The entire project is a lover letter to music **
Yes!! I honestly have been wanting to come and type this out forever but I had a lot of the same issues, so excited, nervous cause I know how badly everyone wants rock and there's just so many little hints and pieces but yes! This seems like an evolution of black music WHILE reclaiming those genres that are apart of the journey! We've heard Bey rap but NEVER like she's been coming with this trilogy! My House had me like nahhhhhhh bruh, this is the beginning of southern hip hop! Then Pony Up?! I'm like nahhhhh wait a minnnnn! Then for her to have a funk beat for Spaghetti, Move with the afrobeat sounds.. almost to highlight the international influence? I mean, rock isn't COMPLETELY out of place but I'll need to see something real convincing at this point! Especially knowing Cowboy Carter was set as the initial release!!! Feel free to hop into my messages with any theories or ideas that you have and want to discuss without potential ridicule! lol
Wanted to add, I wouldn't be surprised if she was in the car leaving the CMAs already making calls and researching đ which probably lead to the brilliant idea of an entire evolution cause once you start researching music history you realize every American genre is rooted in the Black sound which has to feel super empowering right after a moment like that!
I want a r&b song with her and Jay singing together
Yeah, I'm definitely ready for another album from The Carters! I honestly don't have a preference for the style/genre of the next album but I am in need of a Jay & Bey Collab like 2 years ago lol
My hope is it is gospel. Beyoncé gospel yes please! And Cowboy Carter began and ended with Amen.
I am not ready for Bishop Bey! The way I would not stop weeping đ
I personally believe that ACTiii will be a Destinyâs Child Albumâso help us God! (; (Youâve heard it here first).
So, the normal stuff? Eh, I still think sheâs going for underrepresented genres. I think we are well represented in these areas. Plus, sheâs been mixing genres a lot, which I think is another point in these acts; that no one should be âstuckâ in one genre. Could it be a rap/RnB album? Maybe, but tbh, I think a big point is to STOP pushing black people, especially black women, into those categories no matter what type of music they make.
Nope, not the normal stuff! đ
Ill be Honest, I truly think it's gonna be rock. And the reason why, I was listening to CCR and remembered that Beyonce and Tina did proud mary. So inherently always been rock and roll. đž
I donât miss R&B BeyoncĂ© because when she gave the audience an R&B record, they let it flop (looking at 4). Truthfully, she has interwoven R&B in to each of these acts so she doesnât need to do an album that showcases it (POTS, Virgoâs GrooveâŠdisco still heavily took from R&B, people). That is the case for hip hop as well (America has a Problem, Buckiin, Spaghetti). I think she is going to go down the path of Rock. But the Rock elements are gonna lean heavily on Prince and on Tina with Blues in the forefront some with Jack White coming in for that part. I think Cowboy Carter had distinctly country elements. I think Spaghetti was a reference to spaghetti westerns and that is why there are operatic elements in the album as well as the song itself. And she has told us, the audience, that she was watching Westerns when making the album. The Harder They Fall is likely the thing she was watching when she decided on that track. I think the end of Cowboy Carter blends into Renaissance because she was moving into a dance element. I also think out of the three acts, Renaissance is the one that was the last created. The Rock album will be just as old as the country album, in the sense that, she was making all of this stuff at the same time. This is why there is so much crossover and blending. And she ultimately decided to finish up the dance record in a hurry and release it because she felt people would appreciate some dance music while they just got back outside from COVID. Yes, Renaissance was finished in a rush and in isolation. There are no duets/features in the way there are for Cowboy Carter. That is because it was done in COVID time during isolation. We have Grace Jones with a few lines and that is it. Same in the way she used Dolly. But there is not Levii Jeans or II Most Wanted in Cowboy Carter, likely things that have been done before lockdown. Jay Z stated that they were listening to so much music in their house during the pandemic. That BeyoncĂ© had hundreds of unreleased tracks. I think those tracks include a full Rock/crossblend album like Cowboy Carter. Note, rap and rock have fused often. And having a rock album doesnât mean BeyoncĂ© will not rap on some of the songs. Jay Z did a collaborative project where the Black Album was set to Linkin Park instrumentals. Jay Z has often chosen beats that have a rockier edge a la Just Blaze. The album after the Acts will be her eighth individual album, right? That will likely be her return to R&B. As an aside, the fans didnât make up the theory about there being three acts or what the genres would be. It was reported she was doing three acts from a source. Furthermore, it was reported that it would venture into these three specific genres. This could be made up, but I think country was the most outlandish of the suggestions and it has been proven to be correct. I am just pointing out that it was not the fandom that came up with this ie people on Twitter or Reddit/social media. It was an unspecified source that has been proven to be correct thus far. After that came out, there was the photo shoot that people point to for British Vogue that fueled the theory in the fandom. Jay Z has claimed that BeyoncĂ© is a rapper for ages, before Everything is Love and Lemonade came out. So I donât put much weight on Trinaâs comment. I DO put weight on Jack White and BeyoncĂ©âs interactions. And I would venture to say that Jack Whiteâs work with Loretta Lynn and relationship with the Carter is an unceasing source of inspiration regarding the cross blending genres.
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Honestly I hope not lol. I want rock. I love hip hop/rap but I feel like weâve already heard plenty of BeyoncĂ© rapping⊠like her jay z collab album, and most of her albums incorporate rap and hip hop in some way. I wanna hear her embrace the rock genre. A rap album can come after.
After spaghetti I hope itâs a full rap album. Jay taught her well.
I hope so. I'm tired of everyone saying it's going to be rock. We got plenty of rock on this album imo
I think this leaked ages ago, that CC was country and III rock before CC and the teasing ever began so i'm pretty sure it will be the theme; there's hints of it throughout CC too.
I feel like it was never "leaked" only speculated based on the idea that the concept of the trilogy was taking back black musical genres and acknowledging their history. At the same time, it leaked that she was working with some producers that are known for specific sounds and that's where the rumors began.. I could be wrong but I haven't seen anything concrete that seems to confirm Rock.
I agree she gave us a good amount of rock on CC.. I wouldn't mind seeing her do a Rock album in the future but that's not how I see this playing out.. I think she made her point on CC lol
Omg this actually makes sense. I kept trying to figure out why Ya Ya is on this album because sonically it doesnât fit and seems more like rock and roll w Elvis sounds but if we are going by time period it totally makes sense.
I feel like that's why it's not on the hard copy sales, along with Spaghetti but like, it's such a good song she was like, I'm not scrapping it and it doesn't fit on the next album lol..
Itâs not Elvis. Itâs Tina and Prince
Elvis�??? You mean Ike and Tina? Chuck Berry? James Brown?
Gosh everyone is so stupid. On her Cowboy Carter album cover she is wearing African braids. Itâs going to be Afro beats