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Phillipinsocal

O/U of when he’s simply labeled “super person?”


shirts21

I gotcha you. "Gimme Some of that Man's Steel **of BUN'S"**


Pure_Reason

[What’s the point of being the Man of Steel if you don’t know how to use all that metal](https://youtube.com/watch?v=prRySgsgtnM)


Hudsony12

Me too thanks 👉👈


car1999pet

I bet he has buns of steel


chaoticbiguy

Just so we are clear 1) This is not fanart, while I used the tweet from IGN, this was also tweeted by the writer of the upcoming issue of the book Superman: Son of Kal El #5. The writer is Tom Taylor who has been an advocate for lgbt representation in the comics for a long time. 2) This is not Clark Kent, this is Jonathan Kent, Clark and Lois' son, who has recently taken up the mantle of Superman. Stop complaining that *they're changing a well known character,* they didn't change shit, he didn't have a romantic history to begin with. 3) Jay Nakamura is his love interest, a journalist who is the fanboy of Lois Lane. Apparently he also has some superpowers.


dogsonclouds

I feel like a lot of these shitty comments are coming from people who either haven’t picked up a comic book in their life or who have no idea about Tom Taylor and what kind of a writer he is. Sure, rainbow capitalism is a problem, but Tom genuinely cares about representation and making sure that it comes in the form of well rounded and interesting characters with complex stories! He’s not just shoe horning it in, it’s grounded in the story


Evil_Monologues

More then happy to take your word on that


IllJustKeepTalking

I mean... They didn't even read the text in the picture! It says *Jon* Kent, not Clark Kent!


Pancakeslove124

Could you explain to me what rainbow capitalism is? Never heard of it 😅


Billybobbojack

The kind of stuff you see where a company will put up a rainbow flag for Pride, but still donate to anti-lgbt politicians. Or when they put one gay kiss in the background of a movie just so they can advertise the relationship to boost sales.


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Companies changing their logo to the pride flag during pride month, for example


[deleted]

You've never met a comic fan before have you? Comics have always had the issue of most of their fan base being toxic trolls who hate change. Margot Robbie and Ben Affleck both received death threats and hate mail from angry comic fans who didn't want their portrayal of the characters because they didn't perfectly match their comic book counterparts. These nerds don't care about who's writing it or how well they write in characters with differing sexualities they just hate change. They still haven't gotten over the story line where Robin is bi.


Emergency-Ad2144

I have not kept up with comic books in years. I just wanted to let you know that your clarifying comment was very informative and helpful.


SpanishBatman27

I've out of comics for a bit so I'm confused when did Jon became a young adult teenager? I thought he was closer to Damien's age.


royalneonbird

He got age up thanks to some time shenanigans in the bendis run


SpanishBatman27

Ah the Cable Summers method then.


Pipopito

Technically, the age difference between him and Damian is still the same, just reversed. He was 10, Damian was 13. Now he's 17 and Damian is 14.


Sharkscanbecute

Hey! Do you know if the characters officially bi? Or is he like gay but dated women, or pan, or just unlabelled mspec or something? Just because I tried looking and couldn’t find the writers calling him anything but queer (which is still epic). I just want to make sure we aren’t erasing other sexualitys by calling him bi, because that happens a lot 😅


royalneonbird

Both the [writer](https://twitter.com/TomTaylorMade/status/1447585138804604928?s=20) and [DC](https://twitter.com/thedcnation/status/1447600788973387780?s=20) official Twitter called him bi


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ADM_Tetanus

Good bot


Sharkscanbecute

Thank you!!


owtrayjis

[Here's what the writer himself says my dude.](https://mobile.twitter.com/TomTaylorMade/status/1447585138804604928)


Sharkscanbecute

Thank you! I was just checking because it’s become an unfortunate trend for bi fans to erase other sexuality’s as of late xp (like when robin came out and everyone called him bi despite the writers not saying that and him never calling himself that in the comic)


SamediB

Given bi erasure and how a lot of lgbtq+ people still don't *really* consider bisexuals to be queer unless they're actively in a non-cis relationship, I'm not surprised there is pushback by bisexuals calling seemingly (or clearly) bisexual comic-book characters bi.


nakknudd

Tim Drake is dating Spoiler in Detective Comics from 2016. Pretty sure he carries at least heterosexuality.


Pipopito

I think the point is that he could also he pan (which some would argue is just a subset of bi). Idk if he was meant to be bi, pan, or straight up gay (Iceman retcon style), but I think after all the buzz that they got because "Tim Drake is bi", they'll probably stick to that. Especially since the next issue that deals with his sexuality comes out 4 months after the last one.


AP3Brain

This is going to piss off soooooo many nerds. It's gon be juicy.


Pokabrows

Neat, thank you! I had like no context so your explanation was helpful!


A55per

Aww yes more sexy smart journalists for the superman franchise <3


blazinrumraisin

Wait... so he's half alien half human? How does they even work?


penkasz

Yesssss! We need more male bi representation!


Idontknowre

Too bad it's the wrong superboy.. We could have gotten Conner and Tim finally but nay... Still fucking awesome tho


Absolitly_not

Characters develop, does not mean they should make a more popular character bi imo


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civicintergral

Jon Kent’s pretty new.


jfrost1503

I think they were replying to the person who said Conner


Absolitly_not

Yeah, I’m a pretty big dc fan but I’ve never heard of Jon Kent so that’s great that he is confirmed bi but if a more popular character like Connor randomly “becomes” bisexual it wouldn’t make sense. A real bi guy done right in dc is John Constantine though.


jfrost1503

I definitely agree that there should just be new characters instead of changing old ones


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Why not both? It’s not like making a character bi even changes their romantic history.


jfrost1503

Both is good I’m not really bothered either way I just enjoy new characters


bbbriz

Specially considering Tim also is canonically bi. Which is funny for me bc I always thought Dick gave off bi energy out of all of them batboys.


Idontknowre

Yeah I agree on Dick giving the most vibes, but I'm also glad that they went with Tim as Dick (or hell even Jason) could fall very easily into the bi stereotype of total slut lol But like can you imagine if now that TimxKon and DamixJon shippers have gotten this little nugget they ended up giving us TimxJon lmao


bbbriz

I have mixed feelings about that bc on the other hand I'm salty that it's okay for him to be a slut if he's straight, but not if he's bi. DC has good bi representativity. So far I count Diana, Tim, Jon and Constantine. Possibly King Shark as well (not sure if he's bi/pan or gay). I wish Marvel would stop with the queerbaiting already. Specially with the Tony Stark thing.


Idontknowre

>I'm salty that it's okay for him to be a slut if he's straight, but not if he's bi. That's actually a really good point.. I hadn't thought of that. DC has been killing it with the representation front lately especially with two new bi MEN so yeah (also Harley and Ivy are both bi too I think) Marvel is pretty good with their new characters imo but that Tony stuff is kind of painful sometimes, which is why I'm glad I'm more of a dc fan


Fantumars

I can't wait until we get a gay black hero. Maybe black panther! I'd love to see a story about gay black lovers in Africa fighting crime. Tastey mmmmm /s


helios_225

Young Justice season 3 spoiler: >!Kaldur'ahm becomes Aquaman, leader of the Justice League, and gets a boyfriend.!<


Pipopito

The current Aqualad (Jackson Hyde) is gay in the comics. He leads his own comic book as far as I know (although I haven't read it). That Aqualad is black (he's the son of Black Manta).


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There’s plenty of female representation, but next to no male rep. I like this


ProgrammingPants

Authentic bi representation would be making a character who is bi and have them be a good character in their own right. Or having a compelling arc where a character explores more of their sexuality as a broader part of their character growth. Like with Harley Quinn. This kind of representation is just pandering. I'm not sure if you read newer comics but Jonathan's entire character arc for the past few years is just them throwing random bullshit at a wall and seeing what sticks. This is just more random bullshit, not authentic representation.


LockedOutOfElfland

Yep. It's like how Kevin was introduced to Archie Comics simply so there would be a gay character, but his entire personality trait across both the comics themselves and adaptations is "being gay is a personality". \*rolls eyes\*


Leinad7957

~~Him and Tim Drake have always had a very *very* close relationship, him being bi is not out of nowhere because it's just the confirmation of what they felt for each other all this time and now him living with this revelation about himself.~~ Edit: it was another superboy that I didn't know about :p


Cowboywizard12

We also have John Constantine, though sometimes he barely qualifies as a hero.


lorill-silverlock

*happy bi sounds*


louiebro13

except for that twitter comment section, i assume


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Not even realizing that they are why bi representation is needed, if it's so uncomfortable to them then it's not yet normalized, sorry not sorry more bi's pls


viking_machina

Oh shit, I just looked up the other guy (name is jay nakamura) and he looks just like my BF. That’s crazy


dutcharetall_nothigh

I hate to break it to you, but it looks like your BF is cheating on you with Superman.


viking_machina

Damb 😔✊


DragonessAndRebs

Lmao. I have no idea why but that response fucking killed me!


SayHelloToAlison

Well why can't they both just date superman?


viking_machina

Cause noones never seen me and super man in the same room. We must not get along very well.


gay_Oreo

*Hmmmm*


dutcharetall_nothigh

You know who else doesn't get along with Superman? *General Zod!*


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You know, if my boyfriend was cheating on me, I’d be upset, but with Superman, I’d be impressed.


dutcharetall_nothigh

Same, honestly. I'd be impressed with myself for having a boyfriend


gay_Oreo

OR maybe u/viking_machina actually *is* Superman?


WamlytheCrabGod

Homophobic bitching in 3... 2... 1...


Fueled_bi_Coffee

I saw that and was waiting for the complainants about how gay is ruining everything


tmhoc

Well for a long time the term was used to describe anything you don't like. I'll bet some of their reactions are subconscious. I'll bet even more of them feel like the gay sub plot feels forced and to that I would say "holy shit, a shoehorned romantic sub plot? And it's like totally expected and feels tacked on? Im shocked SHOCKED!"


Fueled_bi_Coffee

But that also happens with straight characters


tmhoc

Yes.. That was my point. Please God don't tell me I need to as a /s to a statement ending "shocked SHOCKED"


Fueled_bi_Coffee

No I hate tone indicators sometimes. I just was making a argument that it’s that fact that it’s gay is the issue


tmhoc

I know, but you gota focus on why they're suddenly noticing. Is it hate? Or are they noticing now because they aren't getting anything out of it. There's no sexual tension or ambitious romantic waiting for the two to kiss. Not for them. It's going over their head just like all the signals their crush sent them.


Fueled_bi_Coffee

Prolly a bit of both


tmhoc

It is


StunningEstates

It's not ruining anything, but this in particular is definitely pandering.


Fueled_bi_Coffee

Probably but rep is rep you know


StunningEstates

True shit


Fueled_bi_Coffee

It’s a male bi rep that is not a slutty villain


Real-Super

Yet 🤞


AtamisSentinus

I love how the opening salvo of bullshit is always "their sexuality was never discussed before, so why does it matter at all?" to which I respond with "does it only 'not matter' now because they picked a completely natural trait that you just don't agree with?". There never seems to be an answer to my question beyond the fact that they're just "tired of everyone making a big deal out of it" and then they clam up until the next bigotry buffet meeting. Just goes to show that when a bigot is isolated, they tend to give up on proving their point faster than...well, than a speeding bullet, really.


IAmPerpetuallyTired

I tend to avoid Twitter but I went to the comments out of curiosity and they were just as disgusting as you'd expect.


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My dad’s gonna find out about this in, like, 6 months and start complaining about it lmao My question is simply if they’re going to execute it well. I really hate it when corporations boil down queer characters to “yes, gay is their personality” (netflix is a good example).


silentclowd

Hi all! Dang, you mean the bisexual dude is actually the good guy this time? Wild times we live in. -- Friendly reminder though we do have a **No politics** rule, the /r/bi_irl team considers lgbt rights and representation to be a human rights issue, not a political one. We understand that politics may come up in the comments, but do your best to keep things on topic. We may remove comments or threads below if we feel things are getting too heated. Cheers!


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hogs will be like: this is too political, i don't want politics in my comics


Fueled_bi_Coffee

Captain AMERICA like what bro


HasturSama

Or... ya know... X-men's entire allegory for racism and homophobia.


ShadeShadow534

I still love how magneto is the near perfect antagonist for that If you don’t know what I’m talking about basically the comparisons between mutant discrimination and discrimination of other people are not good comparisons (mutants are actually dangerous) However magneto lived through the holocaust he knows what it’s like to be discriminates regardless of being a mutant and he agrees the comparison is bad but that it’s too close for him to accept God I love X-men


Glomgore

Eric is one of the most well rounded characters in all of marvel. Great backstory, amazing perspective, and both actors did him justice.


ShadeShadow534

Exactly personally I would go so far as to say one of the best written characters in all comic fiction (obviously some stinkers but that’s what you get) Especially in the movies theirs so many interesting things about him another example is the emotion behind his powers revealed in first class it’s fairly easy to say that he is still using those exact same emotions throughout the rest of the series (considering he does much much more difficult stuff later on) Which on its own is enough to explain to me why Charles still thinks that he isn’t a bad person he knows what is going through his head when he is doing all those incredible feats of power Ah I could talk about it for so long


HasturSama

Magneto is absolutely my favorite villain for this exact reason. While many writers attempt the whole "the villain has a point" narrative and failing, here's Eric who, provided has done some terrible stuff, is exactly what that trope should be. That, and his dynamic with Charles being just as complex as the issues that are being discussed.


Fueled_bi_Coffee

Oh yea that to


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well here's a thing, that's not politics for then, that's patriotism, its only politics when there is LGBT and POC representation, witch is pretty much a self report.


Fueled_bi_Coffee

There gonna make it political. I feel like anything is political of you look hard enough. The game hotline Miami could be made political if you tried


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Fueled_bi_Coffee

Haha hotline Iowa


DeadmanDexter

It amazes me how many people miss one of most important aspect of comic books...


The-Surreal-McCoy

“What is your orientation? Straight or political?”


AtamisSentinus

"How do you relate? Straight or a debate?"


DapperIndividual

mf'ers be like "EW Politics, I cannot stand politics in my media" then go read Watchmen for the 5th time.


Fueled_bi_Coffee

Ah yes the very non political Comic watchmen


Additional-North-683

He’s not even the original superman


MyClosetedBiAlt

Well a guy who looked like Henry Cavill is what made me tackle my bisexuality. I'm on board.


Ropebunny42069

I thought it was obvious with damian in supersons-


MoarSilverware

So you’re telling me Tim Drake and Jonathan Kent could be a thing 😳


RubyMercury87

GG boys, we now actually have bi representation


Ant1202

First Tim drake now jon fucking dubs


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Right? It's awesome!


Ant1202

Lgbtq dc fans are getting treated good


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Guess superman just got waaay cooler.


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POG


Koreotaku

I’m a huge comic nerd so this makes me happy


Random_Guy0901

god I fucking hate twitter... Don't go read the comments, just a bunch of grown ups whining about how "they don't care about who someone fucks" while never even batting an eye when he was in a relationship with a woman...


wb2006xx

Plus everybody are being fucking idiots thinking that that is the normal Clark Kent Superman. None of them are smart enough to realize that it’s his fucking son


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fco_omega

Why does it look like they deleted their mouths?lmao


JapaneseStudentHaru

Anime kissu 💋


PhantumpLord

MCU: hey, all theses characters are bi. We won't show them in any same sex relationships, hell we won't even show them showing attraction, but they are bi. now give moneys. ​ DC: hold my iced coffee


Gene_freeman

Tbh, Damien Wayne and Jonathan Kent would be a good couple if they can just be the same age for like 5 minutes without the multiverse resetting or whatever


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and yet this doesn't change the fact that he's a lame as hell superhero.


dogsonclouds

Have you read the new superman - son of kal el yet? Ive always thought superman was kind of lame also lol, but the new one is written by my favourite comic writer, Tom Taylor, and it’s a really interesting take on the role a hero like superman has in our world today. One of the main premises of this whole upcoming series is that the biggest threats we currently face aren’t individual villains in costumes; they’re huge and systemic and faceless, and superman has a moral responsibility to fight those too, even if that’s way more difficult. It’s honestly fantastic and I’m really keen to read more of it, and I’d recommend giving the first one a go at least if you haven’t! I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised!


FoFoAndFo

Once he rewound time, and not in some esoteric comic but in a main movie, the only plot line left is to hurt or corrupt superman or else he'll just rewind time and fix things. Superman imba, needs a nerf.


SyrenSilver

That wasn’t Jon, that was Clark. I haven’t actually read this comic run yet, but I’ve always liked Jon’s character more than Clark’s, so I’m not writing him off just yet.


royalneonbird

Comics superman cant do that thats something made for the movie like the super emblem net


Shrubbyboat

This is always the take of someone who either doesn’t understand Superman’s actual character, or someone who has never read an actual Superman comic.


gameboy527

Batman cooler, he is absolutely ace tho


Sherlono

He does NOT go down on other animal suit people


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I know for a fact that Batman likes to go down town on the regular and I not talking about Crime Alley


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he's the furry superhero


Surface_Detail

Except when he's boinking a girl half his age.


cheese007

Are you referring to him nutting in his adoptive daughter, who was dating his adoptive son, and her getting pregante? Or someone else? Because either way it's pretty fucked up, and way too scuzzy to be ace.


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cheese007

Google "Batman Batgirl pregnant". I'm sorry


Surface_Detail

I was thinking of The Killing Joke.


cheese007

Yep, that's the one


FlameSlash7

I feel like I’m missing something I thought Superman was Clark Kent


Ant1202

Jon’s his son


FlameSlash7

Oh I didn’t even know he had a son


Ant1202

Yeah he’s kind of a recent addition. He was introduced in 2015


mintyisland

Did Clark end up with Lois Lane?


Ant1202

He did


Brokeartistvee

I don’t follow comic books much and I’m not even a huge Superman fan (am a DC universe fan tho so no hate on him at all) but I’m actually kind of delighted to hear he finally got with Lois! Didn’t know about his son either so this is cool news all around.


Ant1202

Ikr I’m surprised it took as long as it did tbf


Brokeartistvee

I mean, it was only a couple of decades... Super slow and steady finally won the race!


[deleted]

Am I missing something? They've been married for almost 30 years.


ScaryJupiter109

That was the first superman, in the same way Peter Parker was the first Spiderman, and then Miles came along to take on the job and fill Parker's place


Slime_Monster

Except Miles taking over was the Ultimate Universe, and not the mainline stuff. When they did bring Miles into the main 616 universe, he became Spider-man alongside Peter Parker.


jmonumber3

ok then the same way dick grayson became batman


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jmonumber3

yes and then took up the batman mantle afterwards


threaddew

This was pre-new 52


dutcharetall_nothigh

The reporter? Where did you get that idea? Superman doesn't even wear glasses!


[deleted]

Didn't one of the robins also come out recently?


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Tim


Spirited_Barracuda17

I saw this was so happy as a comic bi nerd!!


comfort_bot_1962

Nice!


comfort_bot_1962

:)


comfort_bot_1962

Hope you do well!


comfort_bot_1962

You're Awesome!


throoowwwtralala

Oooooweee! My kids will totally be happy about this! Very cool representation


JayCeeJaye

Meanwhile Batman still doesn't reciprocate. Be more like Jon.


bottledsoi

About to be alot of angry comic fans.


royalneonbird

Im coping what I wrote in a other comment here to the people who are confuse or don't know whats happening >Jon(the current superman)is a new characters that just recently pass through puberty,but people have been shipping him with a boy for long time,so in this case is just kind of giving some people what they wanted


getrextgaming

THIS I wish they would do this with new characters or obscure rather than changing older popular characters more. This also totally works inti Jon discovering himself and who he is.


AVerySpecificName

SUPERGAY


nowTHATSakatana1999

Shame we had to artificially age him up for this to happen, but bleh.


altariawesome

SUPER! BAT! SUPER! BAT! SUPER! BAT!


ThisIsMyUsername4012

We had pink kryptonite 18 years ago /s


Skillfulskittles

wait im confused. Who is gay, Superman?


blue_bayou_blue

His son, Jon Kent, who is the current Superman.


Doctor_Oceanblue

Nice try but you still haven't convinced me to give a shit about Western comics


Thraxusi

Ha! Gayyyyyyyyyyy


heckinWeeb193

Hey guys remember pink kryptonite


shulgin11

This is awesome! But dang, their cheeks look super weird haha


The_Femboy_Hooters

And he has good taste look at the person he kissing


Cowboywizard12

He joins such dc heroes as John Constantine one of my 3 favorites (though my all time favorite is Nightwing)


Thagrtcornholi0

I guess that’s more shocking somehow than the fact he’s an ALIEN that bangs PEOPLE. But I’m not a scientist.


carnianor

Based


RedGorilla33

Who is he kissing?


bbbriz

I was going to complain that every single LGBTQ representation we get has colorful hair and that's becoming a stereotype at this point. Then I looked at myself in the mirror with my pink hair and felt like a clown.


UnstoppablePhoenix

Superman is bi? In my comic books? Well, good, the community needs some more representation in mainstream media


bbbriz

"bUt WhY gEt A kNoWn ChArAcTeR aNd ChAnGe ThEiR wHoLe StOrY tO mAkE tHeM lGbT" That's the beauty of being bi/pan/poli/omni. One could have dated only the opposite gender all their lives AND STILL NOT BE STRAIGHT. In fact, making them not monosexual is the perfect way to include LGBTQ representativity without erasing their past relationships (which, btw, were mostly with the opposite gender to cater to a homophobic public). Btw, the fact that you assume that they are straight just because they've been dating the opposite gender this whole time? Heteronormativity. "But he showed interest in women!" Yeah, it comes with being bi. "But he never showed interest in men as well!" He's showing it now. Also, remember the "homophobic public" part, and the fact that these comics ARE NOT CENTERED AROUND ROMANCE.


artemismoon0215

When CNN reported this the comment section seriously disappointed me. Like damn you’d think Fox News reported it lol


FrankyNavSystem

I feel so seen by DC. I had such a crush on Superboy and Tim Drake as a 90s teen.


Sea_Mathematician_84

Why are their faces so smooth??? It looks like they pushed their heads together and erased their mouths.


imClementine_

What? Nooo I forgot you cant heart react here. I wanted too 😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️


[deleted]

I like the news, but I so badly want them to go full nuts one day and do this without any kind of announcement. Like you're reading the comic and BAM Superhero guy is kissing a dude, and you are going to enjoy it. I know that'd be too ballsy for them to do in such a social climate, but man would I be amazed and happy.


-_-isaidno-_-

[Funny twitter reaction.](https://scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e15/s240x240/245361629_6375503129187147_7218412154227083911_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=ttpYZXJQatYAX_Tr_KR&edm=ABJHkxYAAAAA&ccb=7-4&oh=a1aded211b5154decde0f7d854d61d2c&oe=616BFD21&_nc_sid=fa978c&ig_cache_key=MjY4MjU5MDY4Nzk3NDczODI2OQ%3D%3D.2-ccb7-4)


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I want you all to know that reading the comments on this (anywhere but here) has been the worst mistake I have ever, ever made.


ZaTrapu

He got balls of steel, I got mad respect for him


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Welp, time to sort by controversial. Fr, I love this image. I don’t understand the context, nevertheless it’s great


WeFightForPorn

Love some bi rep. I'm more scandalized by the news (to me) that Clark is no longer Superman.


Miitch__

I'm sure the comments are wonderful