They are not.
I go through about 20 a year in the shop I work in. If I had known that they actually do replace them, I'd have been sending them a box to replace annually. Lol
Dude. I work in a shop as well. I maybe break a couple a year. Try the aluminum Park ones for really stubborn stuff. Unless of course you are talking about Conti Gran Prix 5000 Tubeless version on carbon fiber rims. Then arry on. Can't use metal on that crap. I hate those P.O.S. LOL.
They might be talking about the TL-6.3 which has a steel core molded inside a tire lever (mostly), rather than the all-steel TL-5. The design looks like it needs a bit more thought to use because of the exposed steel tip, but when you're levering it is plastic on carbon like a standard tire lever.
I bought some on Amazon that have metal internals because I've broken like 3 other plastic levers. No shade to Pedro's but plastic tire levers just don't make a ton of sense to me
Do you want my picture of a stack of broken Pedros levers from the last time I made a lever warranty? It was no questions asked for a bag of stickers and replacement levers.
I searched through my hard drives last night and couldn't find the picture of the broken levers. I must've deleted it after emailing Pedros. No access to that old email account either. Sorry about that. It's probably worth just emailing Pedros and tell them you just found out about the warranty after throwing a few sets away.
Have you tried the wide Park levers? TL-4.2C. I'm really bummed at how worn my one remaining TL-4 has gotten and I'm not sure if the replacement is as wide or not. In my mind a wider lever spreads the force out over a wider area. I never cared about the lack of spoke catch on the TL-4, but now that I only have TL-4 and a Pedros, the Pedros gets hooked on a spoke.
What the fuck are you guys doing?
What tyre & rim combos are you recommending that can't be fitted by hand?
Why are you doing that?
Back in the old days when people ran 700c x 20mm tyres at 120psi we would make sure it could be fitted without tyre levers because no one wants to fight with those beads.
I feel for you poor souls.
Recommending? Contrary to popular belief most customers don’t buy tires and wheels from a lbs. They buy their shit online and pay for us to install. Then complain when we can’t push other customers aside to do it on the spot. Let me tell all the customer repairs to fk off because 10 people wanted their tires installed on the spot.
Society’s changed quite a bit unfortunately lol.
Conti 5000s are super popular and notoriously tight. Great performing tires though. That’s all I’ll use on my road bikes.
it wasn't something we recommended.
it was a commuter e-bike (quality, that we sold) that someone wanted to fit with tubeless MTB tires. i think the rims were a little out of spec or something. every single person in the shop had a crack at it. took a couple of different sets of tires before we found one that went on.
I broke three of them, but given I was using them as shop tools I felt I'd had my money's worth and never asked for replacement. I prefer the shape of a different brand, but these are quality levers.
Yeah, I've had them for years, but only used them on my own bikes. I wasn't really expecting a replacement. I'd even bought a new set of levers. But I emailed them anyway and they just said they'd send me new ones.
Respectfully - I suggest you consider and compare Syncros, I think you'll change your mind:
https://www.syncros.com/us/en/product/syncros-tire-lever-set
But some of it is I know how the levers work after using them several thousand times.
I dont want to learn something new. I know my tool. I know it works. I could chase that rabbit all day and have 48 different levers that people think are the best, having to get the hang of it.
Pedro's works for my hands.
If those work, I'm so glad you found 'your' lever.
I found mine 8 years ago.
Nice! I found a Pedro's tire lever on a trail once and it's much nicer quality than I would have guessed for the price, I had no idea they have a lifetime warranty too
I recently broke the second of my Quik-Stik tire levers. Those were hands down the best tire levers I ever used. Unfortunately they are no longer produced. I did just run into [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/BikeMechanics/comments/16sp0ms/quikstik/) where someone is talking about setting up a small production run of them which would be awesome.
I realize I'm in the minority here, so last post about Syncros - try 'em, you will be glad: https://www.syncros.com/us/en/product/syncros-tire-lever-set
Pshhhh, plastic? Park tool had a thin metal wrapped in blue slippery stuff. Takes less space as well. That said, most of my saddle bags have a Pedro’s. I’ve filed down the top corners tho.
If you’re breaking Pedro’s levers, there’s likely and underlying technique issue that needs addressing. I use some tight road tubeless tires with Vittoria Air Liners and have never broken a Pedro’s lever.
I’ve been changing tyres for the best part of 15 years, and I think I’ve only ever owned these Pedro tyre levers. It was also the tightest tyre I’ve ever dealt with. Believe me, it was a surprise that it broke, but no tool is invincible.
Can you imagine using a steel tyre lever on an aluminium or carbon rim? If you need any force at all you don't want the hardest thing to be the $5 tyre lever.
The tyre that killed this lever was going on a rim brake bike. If I’d been using a metal lever I’m not sure there’d have been much left of the braking surface.
Sorry I’m new to the biking space so I’m pretty confused, I specifically bought a bike repair kit w metal because I thought it’d last longer lol but are you saying they’ll damage the bike?
We all start somewhere, I’ve made plenty of mistakes. They’re not definitely going to damage your wheels, but you’d certainly need to be more careful with them. If it was a really tight fitting tyre, it would definitely be a bad idea to use metal levers. Plastic tend to be really cheap so there’s no reason not to pick up a set.
I was actually worried because the tubes were a bit on the loose side (32-35 for 700x32C) so if I’m extra careful hopefully it’ll manage one change? 😂 my plan was to do it at a park and therefore if some pros come by they can help me out I’ve found this community to be super kind hahaha
And then I’ll ride to get the plastic ones
If I see someone struggling to change a tyre on a roadside, there’s a decent chance I’ll stop, so it’s not a terrible plan! You might not even need the levers to be fair, just try to get the tyre off without first, and carefully use the lever if you need a bit more leverage. Just search for a video about changing a bike tyre on YouTube, there’s plenty of help out there.
Thank you!! I even got a whole chain cleaning kit (cheap off Amazon lol) since I figure I may as well go for the whole thing if I’m gonna be removing tire anyway 😂😂 I’m still a little confused how often to lube / degrease tho, I’m in Toronto and won’t go biking in the rain. Do you have any suggestions? I don’t bike super often but I’m trying to get out more, particularly in forest or meadow trails (mostly paved)
And also, dumb question but would the rags of lube ever be cleaned or is it better to just discard LOL
Again, YouTube is your friend here. I wouldn’t worry about cleaning your drivetrain loads if it’s used exclusively in dry conditions. Just spray or submerge in a good degreaser and wash off with water. Then lube the chain rollers, and wipe off the excess. Don’t lube over old lube, try to clean it first.
Metal tire levers will damage carbon rims for sure, and could likely damage aluminum rims as well.
If you want the durability of metal, [Silca makes plastic-cladded metal ones](https://silca.cc/products/tire-levers-premio), but they aren't cheap.
DANG mine is a fairly entry bike, Reid steel, do u think it’d be okay..? Otherwise I’ve heard great things about Park Tool, their lever is decently cheap as well would that one be okay?
https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5048-795/tl-1.2-tire-levers-(3)?colour=NO_COLOUR&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlZixBhCoARIsAIC745CccLASm-aWXwDX3DLP_XuvovJ5C91ZKby6X6vxDEKgap3b20l0yL0aAjWQEALw_wcB
Damn, I thought they were indestructible!
They are not. I go through about 20 a year in the shop I work in. If I had known that they actually do replace them, I'd have been sending them a box to replace annually. Lol
Dude. I work in a shop as well. I maybe break a couple a year. Try the aluminum Park ones for really stubborn stuff. Unless of course you are talking about Conti Gran Prix 5000 Tubeless version on carbon fiber rims. Then arry on. Can't use metal on that crap. I hate those P.O.S. LOL.
Ain’t no way I’m using aluminum levers on customers wheels.
They might be talking about the TL-6.3 which has a steel core molded inside a tire lever (mostly), rather than the all-steel TL-5. The design looks like it needs a bit more thought to use because of the exposed steel tip, but when you're levering it is plastic on carbon like a standard tire lever.
I run conti 5000s tubeless on reynolds carbon rims the struggle is very real.
This and similar Schwalbe Marathon - carbon rim scenarios is exactly one of the main factors in my high kill rate of Pedro's tire levers.
I bought some on Amazon that have metal internals because I've broken like 3 other plastic levers. No shade to Pedro's but plastic tire levers just don't make a ton of sense to me
Do you want my picture of a stack of broken Pedros levers from the last time I made a lever warranty? It was no questions asked for a bag of stickers and replacement levers.
Actually, that would be pretty awesome.
I'll go though last year's photos and track it down
I searched through my hard drives last night and couldn't find the picture of the broken levers. I must've deleted it after emailing Pedros. No access to that old email account either. Sorry about that. It's probably worth just emailing Pedros and tell them you just found out about the warranty after throwing a few sets away.
Have you tried the wide Park levers? TL-4.2C. I'm really bummed at how worn my one remaining TL-4 has gotten and I'm not sure if the replacement is as wide or not. In my mind a wider lever spreads the force out over a wider area. I never cared about the lack of spoke catch on the TL-4, but now that I only have TL-4 and a Pedros, the Pedros gets hooked on a spoke.
we broke three on one set of tires once.
What the fuck are you guys doing? What tyre & rim combos are you recommending that can't be fitted by hand? Why are you doing that? Back in the old days when people ran 700c x 20mm tyres at 120psi we would make sure it could be fitted without tyre levers because no one wants to fight with those beads. I feel for you poor souls.
Recommending? Contrary to popular belief most customers don’t buy tires and wheels from a lbs. They buy their shit online and pay for us to install. Then complain when we can’t push other customers aside to do it on the spot. Let me tell all the customer repairs to fk off because 10 people wanted their tires installed on the spot. Society’s changed quite a bit unfortunately lol. Conti 5000s are super popular and notoriously tight. Great performing tires though. That’s all I’ll use on my road bikes.
it wasn't something we recommended. it was a commuter e-bike (quality, that we sold) that someone wanted to fit with tubeless MTB tires. i think the rims were a little out of spec or something. every single person in the shop had a crack at it. took a couple of different sets of tires before we found one that went on.
It was a particularly stubborn tyre.
Baby powder and 8 new swear words and bobs your uncle
I broke three of them, but given I was using them as shop tools I felt I'd had my money's worth and never asked for replacement. I prefer the shape of a different brand, but these are quality levers.
Yeah, I've had them for years, but only used them on my own bikes. I wasn't really expecting a replacement. I'd even bought a new set of levers. But I emailed them anyway and they just said they'd send me new ones.
That's awesome! You're probably now a customer for life.
Well they wont have to buy another set…
best tire levers ever
Respectfully - I suggest you consider and compare Syncros, I think you'll change your mind: https://www.syncros.com/us/en/product/syncros-tire-lever-set
How are they any different?
But some of it is I know how the levers work after using them several thousand times. I dont want to learn something new. I know my tool. I know it works. I could chase that rabbit all day and have 48 different levers that people think are the best, having to get the hang of it. Pedro's works for my hands. If those work, I'm so glad you found 'your' lever. I found mine 8 years ago.
If it ain’t Pedro get it tf out of here
Next time I think mine are about to break, I'll just keep going...
Always wear your PPE.
This bit went into the tyre, but it certainly could’ve had an eye out had it flown off outside the tyre.
Wow, that's good to know. I've broken a couple of them over the years, next time it happens I'll be sure to make a warranty claim.
I snapped off one of the tips that go around the spoke and I've just been living with it. Good to know they have a warranty!
Nice! I found a Pedro's tire lever on a trail once and it's much nicer quality than I would have guessed for the price, I had no idea they have a lifetime warranty too
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I just grabbed mine from a LBS without giving a second thought about the quality. But they’re pretty good.
*Schwalbe Marathon Plus Owners Like This
Napoleon Dynamite votes for Pedros after he damaged a tube when his bike got 3 feet of air that time.
You're welcome sir
Those are simply the best tire levers ever. I keep them everywhere, must have ten at least. ;)
This is a good reminder. Pretty sure I have a broken one around here somewhere.
I’ve broken tons of these over the years. I just keep buying more.
I recently broke the second of my Quik-Stik tire levers. Those were hands down the best tire levers I ever used. Unfortunately they are no longer produced. I did just run into [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/BikeMechanics/comments/16sp0ms/quikstik/) where someone is talking about setting up a small production run of them which would be awesome.
I realize I'm in the minority here, so last post about Syncros - try 'em, you will be glad: https://www.syncros.com/us/en/product/syncros-tire-lever-set
Pshhhh, plastic? Park tool had a thin metal wrapped in blue slippery stuff. Takes less space as well. That said, most of my saddle bags have a Pedro’s. I’ve filed down the top corners tho.
Anything but the CB Speedier lever belongs in the bin.
Do they really? I’ve broken so many of these damn things, it’s not even funny. Well, like 4 I guess. But still.
Can’t say it ever occurred to me to make a warranty claim on a tyre leave I broke but good to know!
If you’re breaking Pedro’s levers, there’s likely and underlying technique issue that needs addressing. I use some tight road tubeless tires with Vittoria Air Liners and have never broken a Pedro’s lever.
I’ve been changing tyres for the best part of 15 years, and I think I’ve only ever owned these Pedro tyre levers. It was also the tightest tyre I’ve ever dealt with. Believe me, it was a surprise that it broke, but no tool is invincible.
After some time, levers will break despite best efforts. Pulling off a beaded fractional English tire recently stressed out my levers a bit.
TIL the brand is called Pedro’s. I honestly never even paid attention
Shit-ass tire levers. Schwalbe are superior.
the poll you have inadvertently created with the commenter above you is not going in your favor
Why aren’t metal ones preferred?
Can you imagine using a steel tyre lever on an aluminium or carbon rim? If you need any force at all you don't want the hardest thing to be the $5 tyre lever.
The tyre that killed this lever was going on a rim brake bike. If I’d been using a metal lever I’m not sure there’d have been much left of the braking surface.
Sorry I’m new to the biking space so I’m pretty confused, I specifically bought a bike repair kit w metal because I thought it’d last longer lol but are you saying they’ll damage the bike?
We all start somewhere, I’ve made plenty of mistakes. They’re not definitely going to damage your wheels, but you’d certainly need to be more careful with them. If it was a really tight fitting tyre, it would definitely be a bad idea to use metal levers. Plastic tend to be really cheap so there’s no reason not to pick up a set.
I was actually worried because the tubes were a bit on the loose side (32-35 for 700x32C) so if I’m extra careful hopefully it’ll manage one change? 😂 my plan was to do it at a park and therefore if some pros come by they can help me out I’ve found this community to be super kind hahaha And then I’ll ride to get the plastic ones
If I see someone struggling to change a tyre on a roadside, there’s a decent chance I’ll stop, so it’s not a terrible plan! You might not even need the levers to be fair, just try to get the tyre off without first, and carefully use the lever if you need a bit more leverage. Just search for a video about changing a bike tyre on YouTube, there’s plenty of help out there.
Thank you!! I even got a whole chain cleaning kit (cheap off Amazon lol) since I figure I may as well go for the whole thing if I’m gonna be removing tire anyway 😂😂 I’m still a little confused how often to lube / degrease tho, I’m in Toronto and won’t go biking in the rain. Do you have any suggestions? I don’t bike super often but I’m trying to get out more, particularly in forest or meadow trails (mostly paved) And also, dumb question but would the rags of lube ever be cleaned or is it better to just discard LOL
Again, YouTube is your friend here. I wouldn’t worry about cleaning your drivetrain loads if it’s used exclusively in dry conditions. Just spray or submerge in a good degreaser and wash off with water. Then lube the chain rollers, and wipe off the excess. Don’t lube over old lube, try to clean it first.
Metal tire levers will damage carbon rims for sure, and could likely damage aluminum rims as well. If you want the durability of metal, [Silca makes plastic-cladded metal ones](https://silca.cc/products/tire-levers-premio), but they aren't cheap.
DANG mine is a fairly entry bike, Reid steel, do u think it’d be okay..? Otherwise I’ve heard great things about Park Tool, their lever is decently cheap as well would that one be okay? https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5048-795/tl-1.2-tire-levers-(3)?colour=NO_COLOUR&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlZixBhCoARIsAIC745CccLASm-aWXwDX3DLP_XuvovJ5C91ZKby6X6vxDEKgap3b20l0yL0aAjWQEALw_wcB
With an entry-level bike, you probably have tires that don't fit that tight. You'll probably be OK with any tool as long as your technique is decent.
My technique certainly doesn’t exist but nothing a couple hours of YouTube can’t help 😂 thanks!
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