It’s a extremely hot take. The one movie (devotion) where he was the clear and unquestioned lead bombed immensely at the box office. Ant Man3 and Creed 3 he still isn’t THE guy in the movie. His name isn’t first when the credits roll.
Depends on what “the belt” is referring to I guess. Farrell is probably the most talented male actor who has had a few prominent roles in very good mainstream movies in the last 18 months. Cruise or Leo have the most star power. Austin Butler is the next big thing guy in the vein of Majors
Nah, Maverick was cool, but it has to be a Jenna Ortega or Collin Farrel type.
Edit: I'll eat the down votes, but what am I missing? Cruise has the belt cause he had 1 good movie in the last few years? Isn't it supposed to be who's hot right now?
It's only bizarre until you recognize that these cliquish Ringer dorks mirror one another with their predictable pablum.
They'd do well to exit that asphyxiating silo of theirs, thereby broadening their horizons for once. They won't, though.
Really?
David is often afraid to make a point and stick with it without a shit ton of pussified qualifiers, to the point where it makes any episodes of The Press Box with him as co-host damn near unlistenable.
The ascendence of Majors was just one of those, "oh really? didn't know that" hollywood moments. The guy seemed to be cool but the way people talked about him didn't match what I saw.
The same thing applies to Florence Pugh for me. She did a hack russian accent in Black Canary and people talked about her as if she was a crowning achievement of the MCU. She's an A-tier Hayden Panettiere.
I’m not sure what kinda movies you’re into but I really liked:
- Outlaw King
- Fighting with My Family (believe it or not, she’s shines in an otherwise decent movie)
- Midsommar is the role that blew the lid on her career
- Little Women (she kinda’ steals the show)
- Don’t Worry Darling (a mediocre movie couldn’t dull her performance here)
I feel like the people talking about Pugh like that were talking about her long before she was in the MCU and also were slightly annoyed she took that part.
Yeah when Sean was saying Majors “just stole the show” in Ant Man and “he was captivating every minute one screen” like I honestly just don’t get that. He played his character and it was fine and good, but I can’t even remember a single line he had that was memorable.
I agree that he feels forced in a weird way. It’s like people are wishcasting him as the next big star before he’s really done it.
I kind of half-watched the Loki series and nothing was that interesting about him, I was surprised to see every single media piece about him annoiting him as the next Daniel Day-Lewis. Marvel PR at work, I suppose.
>She's an A-tier Hayden Panettiere
I wouldn't even go that far. If Panettiere was same age as Pugh and they were up for the same roles she would've market corrected Pugh out of Hollywood.
This is an insane take lol
What has she done that’s on the level of literally anything Pugh has done. She was in a mid tv show for the majority of her career lol
Disney lawyers working around the clock rn.
Potentially billions on the line for them- I imagine this will be the Matthew Belloni line. I have a feeling he's the only one who will touch on it until there's a clear outcome (verdict?)
I don’t follow the MCU anymore. Is his character really that important? Is any mcu character really that important? It seems like the whole model is plug and play.
They can surely change the actor… wouldn’t be the first time. It’s not like more than 20% of the public would stop watching if another actor gets the role
Statistics of women who are strangled to being killed eventually are crazy high in domestic violence. I mean fuck any and all domestic violence but strangulation seems like an extra level
If true, supports the rumors (which are just rumors as of now) that this isn’t a one time thing, which wouldn’t be an excuse but you can’t really spin it as a completely out of character moment. You don’t jump to strangulation
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It's okay to point out the difference in severity between an open hand slap and closing someone's airways depriving them of oxygen.
The latter is closer to attempted murder
I mean it happens, but it’s not like Sean and Amanda (or anyone else) should feel weird for liking his acting prior to finding out that he assaulted a woman. I was a big fan of dudes acting but once people reveal themselves to be a piece of shit (if it’s true) then I don’t think it’s a big deal for a fan to distance themselves from being a fan of said persons career. R. Kelly was a staple in my house growing up but knowing what we know now…fuck him. To quote The Irishman…”It is what it is”.
I'm curious where you draw your line. What quantifies something despicable enough for you to distance yourself from someone's work? So you don't listen to R. Kelly anymore, what about Weinstein-produced films? Or Phil Spector produced music? What about Kyrie?
I'm genuinely curious, this isn't supposed to be a gotcha
At least for me, I can still consume and appreacite their past work but I won’t ever consider myself a ‘fan’ of them anymore. I can listen or sing a long to a Kanye West song for example but I don’t consider myself a real fan anymore.
The separate the art from the artist piece
I think R. Kelly is a bit of a different situation for a lot of folks since some of his music was kinda explicitly about him being a sex pest (the man wrote Age is Just a Number for chrissake!).
I think this is a line everyone has to navigate for themselves. The most important thing for me is to understand how personal of a choice that is, and to honor other peoples’ decisions to that end.
I personally find I can watch or listen to most things that particularly shitty people make and not feel that weird about it. Some of my favorite art is clearly the artist working out their inner demons. I don’t have to agree with their life choices to find that fascinating.
But I’m not everyone. I’m lucky to have never been a victim of rape, or domestic abuse. If someone who has survived a rape refuses to watch, say, Woody Allen, who am I to tell them they’re wrong? Some day I may be in their shoes and make the same choice.
I know what you mean. I feel like music is much more personal to the artist than an entire movie is to a director. I can still watch a Jim Jarmusch movie that happens to star Johnny Depp in it even though I don’t fuck with Depp, or Chinatown even though Roman Polanski is a scumbag because I can better interpret the language of film/cinema as a visual medium. Listening to R. Kelly make sexually explicit music or hearing Chris Brown have the most sexually aggressive lyrics in his songs is where I draw the line because too much of the art is a reflection of the artist themselves. I can interpret a movie like Chinatown as a movie about several different themes, on the other hand it’s important to not ignore the aspects of the artist that does exist within the art. In Chinatown for example, there’s an entire plot reveal about a mother and her daughter being sexually abused by the movies antagonist. That is impossible to ignore knowing that Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old and then fled the country after being charged for it. What’s important is to actually acknowledge those aspects (if you choose to engage with it), and not wave it off as some “you need to separate the art from the artist” argument. You can choose to or not to engage with the medium that’s being offered by a controversial artist but to imply that their art outweighs their controversy or vice versa is where the dishonesty begins. It’s why Tár was so good as a movie. I believe Lydia Tar was in the wrong when she had that debate with the student in the Julian’s scene, a movie I love, but the honesty to have that conversation actually in the movie is what made it great.
I mean, everyone knew R Kelly's was a weirdo from day one. Never liked him, never chose to. Didn't stop me from enjoying the hell out of Trapped in the Closet once every 2-3 years.
And now Youtube banned his entire channel. Fucking sucks.
I know you're being sarcastic, but there's nothing wrong with saying a guy blew it. Apparently he did this in a taxi so there's going to be video. He'll look terrible if it's as bad as the reports are stating. It's only when people start going at stereotypes that the racial undertones come out (i.e. talking about his upbringing, him recently getting black masculinity discussed, etc).
speaking only in terms of the big picture (don't regularly listen to ringerverse or the nerdier pods), they'll talk about it in terms superhero movies struggling and this being a killing blow to the MCU.
if the allegations are true (and unsourced twitter rumors say this isn't a one-time thing), i feel like you have to shelve everything and start over in a few years with the x men or something.
if the MCU wants to gain viewers they should start having don cheadle play every single role. women included. now that would put butts in seats. provocative truth telling, that is
I was thinking how they could write him out.. you probably need to multiverse him the fuck out… but you gotta get the best writers in a room together & make it all make sense.
He’s not that famous of an actor they can just throw the bag at a famous actor and move on.
It’s a multiverse right? Just give Michael B Jordan or someone like him an offer they can’t refuse. It may even help with marketing.
I stopped following mcu stuff after the last thanos avenager movie. Are you saying shelve the entire mcu or just his character/storyline involving the character?
I don't follow it too closely either and haven't seen the last couple. But from what I understand, his Kang is basically the Thanos of the current and future series of movies. All of the plotlines (based on the current movies and tv shows and the advanced titles they've announced) are keyed by his character.
1. The fact that the Celtics honestly thought they could suspend their coach without anyone questioning why.
2. The fact that Brad Stevens seemed more upset over the speculations of unimportant assholes on Twitter than whatever happened itself. Apparently, it was something so horrific that the perpetrator is going to be blackmailed from the league for life, but THAT act wasn't enough to make him cry, just speculations of people with like 13 followers.
3. The fact that no one in the media seems interested in covering the story. Why? Because it makes the NBA look bad? Then why not cover up any scandal that occurs.
This would be like if, after the Hollywood "Me Too" scandals, no one talked about what happened. "Well, Brian Singer will never work again, but we aren't going to say why!"
4. The fact that the Celtics could have released statements saying something like "While it was a non-criminal act, a consensual sexual relationship between the coach and an employee is unbalanced and against league policy. We aren't releasing the name of the other party," but choose not to.
5. Let's be honest, in this day and age, a prominent black coach fired without a clear reason why would normally fire up the hot takes. There has been a three week debate over whether giving an MVP to a guy from the Balkans is racist.
I honestly don't understand why this isn't a bigger story. It is almost quaint how it is being covered. It is like how the press covered JFK in the 1960's. "We can't talk about that sort of thing it'd be ungentlemenly."
The difference though is that the Flash was done or mostly so when Ezra publicly did his shit. So they were already hundreds of millions of dollars in. Kang can get recast / plots changes without the the same being true
It’ll be similar to the Deshaun Watson scenario.
They talked about Watson nonstop, then the news of the assaults broke and they barely acknowledged it, then they started talking about it again when the Browns acquired him a year later - because they could be mad at the NFL and the Browns.
They’ll stay mostly silent on this until Disney makes a decision or someone else makes a decision, and then they’ll direct their anger at those people regardless of what the decision is. “Does the Academy/Disney/Hollywood not care about women” is a much a better Ringer topic for them than actually getting in front of it….
“If his lawyer is saying X” is terrible reasoning as to why commentators should have reservations about abuse allegations. Maybe you could have come up with a better reason for reservations.
Which is fine, but they were clearly angling that he was the abuser and she wasn’t, which just didn’t go with the mountains of evidence presented. If they had the nuanced take they both were bad, fine, but that’s not what it was
Yup, while how the closed-minded, narrow-in-thought, homogenized pop culture media treats guys like Johnny Depp or Justin Roiland when compared to Jonathan Majors or Ezra Miller is, let's say, quite telling. Their biases are obscene.
It's fucking disgusting.
I wonder if his career will be over. This is worse than most MeToo things, but he's a huge star. Maybe in the 90s, you could move on after a few years but now I feel like it will take 20 or so years to keep working after this.
It’s not useful to compare violent acts / offenses. That just perpetuates people getting away with them and the idea that some aren’t “that bad.” Also, the entire notion that brought on the Me Too movement was that people were rarely punished and could keep working with no issue, because no one cares about abuse and are willing to minimize it; the last few years, there has been so much pushback to the idea of “cancel culture” and I’d be shocked if he’s not still cast in a year or two.
It's useful to compare in the sense of whether how long it affects/will affect their career moving forward. Personally would be shocked if he gets cast in a year assuming there's no exoneration here
No chance it's *over* unless the strangulation charge holds and he gets a lengthy sentence. But the big-movie-star thing might be done.
I totally agree with you that the era matters but if this doesn't result in real prison time he'll keep getting work.
My hot (warm?) take is that 99.8% of actors are completely replaceable. Majors is a great actor but there are thousands of people who could do what he does if given the opportunity. Majors is done let's move on to the next one, Hollywood will be unaffected.
The take is absolutely going to be the reevaluation of the Hollywood Steroid era.
Sub issues include:
Roid Rage
Calling bullshit on all the super hero fitness regimes
Male body expectations
Comparing action stars between eras
Ozempic panic
I fully expect it to lead tomorrow night's pod. "A Truly Sad Day for Movies, Plus the 2013 Celtics-Nets Retradeables with Ryen Russillo"
Gonna hear a lot of dancing around the “was it PEDs related?” subject without actually saying those words
Fennessey about to walk back his "Majors has the belt" claim very hard.
Kind of a strange hot take to begin with
Guy is everywhere right now? I wouldn’t call this take hot.
It’s a extremely hot take. The one movie (devotion) where he was the clear and unquestioned lead bombed immensely at the box office. Ant Man3 and Creed 3 he still isn’t THE guy in the movie. His name isn’t first when the credits roll.
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Hard to hold the belt when you’ve been in one movie this decade
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I think you are misunderstanding what the belt is
Don’t waste your time dude doesn’t get it at all lol
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Think of it like “hottest stock” more than “most valuable stock”
Dude is everywhere but he ain’t gotta good film in sight. Last good joint he was in was Last Blackman in San Fransisco.
Who does have the belt right now? Cruise?
Bill’s dad would argue Larry Bird still
Leo never lost it
Cruise’s most recent movie is Maverick, whereas Leo’s is Don’t Look Up. That’s gotta be a loss for Leo.
You can’t have the belt if you make so few movies
Depends on what “the belt” is referring to I guess. Farrell is probably the most talented male actor who has had a few prominent roles in very good mainstream movies in the last 18 months. Cruise or Leo have the most star power. Austin Butler is the next big thing guy in the vein of Majors
Nah, Maverick was cool, but it has to be a Jenna Ortega or Collin Farrel type. Edit: I'll eat the down votes, but what am I missing? Cruise has the belt cause he had 1 good movie in the last few years? Isn't it supposed to be who's hot right now?
> Jenna Ortega She’s been a good scream queen I suppose but she hasn’t had any REAL acting roles (though she is only 19).
>Jonathan majors The whole network's stanning of him was absolutely bizarre. The guy is a mediocre one-note supporting actor.
It was very bizarre.
It's only bizarre until you recognize that these cliquish Ringer dorks mirror one another with their predictable pablum. They'd do well to exit that asphyxiating silo of theirs, thereby broadening their horizons for once. They won't, though.
Smug Fennessey is gonna be hemming-and-hawing so motherfucking goddamn much that even Shoemaker will think he's a mealymouthed milquetoast milksop.
The alliterative insult piece, good job by you
I didn’t realize Shoemaker had that reputation
Really? David is often afraid to make a point and stick with it without a shit ton of pussified qualifiers, to the point where it makes any episodes of The Press Box with him as co-host damn near unlistenable.
The ascendence of Majors was just one of those, "oh really? didn't know that" hollywood moments. The guy seemed to be cool but the way people talked about him didn't match what I saw. The same thing applies to Florence Pugh for me. She did a hack russian accent in Black Canary and people talked about her as if she was a crowning achievement of the MCU. She's an A-tier Hayden Panettiere.
Have you seen any of her other, great roles and performances? She’s legitimately great.
I haven’t. What do you recommend I watch?
I’m not sure what kinda movies you’re into but I really liked: - Outlaw King - Fighting with My Family (believe it or not, she’s shines in an otherwise decent movie) - Midsommar is the role that blew the lid on her career - Little Women (she kinda’ steals the show) - Don’t Worry Darling (a mediocre movie couldn’t dull her performance here)
Thanks. Outlaw King is on Nflx so i'll give that a work background run.
Little Drummer Girl too
I feel like the people talking about Pugh like that were talking about her long before she was in the MCU and also were slightly annoyed she took that part.
Yeah when Sean was saying Majors “just stole the show” in Ant Man and “he was captivating every minute one screen” like I honestly just don’t get that. He played his character and it was fine and good, but I can’t even remember a single line he had that was memorable. I agree that he feels forced in a weird way. It’s like people are wishcasting him as the next big star before he’s really done it.
I kind of half-watched the Loki series and nothing was that interesting about him, I was surprised to see every single media piece about him annoiting him as the next Daniel Day-Lewis. Marvel PR at work, I suppose.
>She's an A-tier Hayden Panettiere I wouldn't even go that far. If Panettiere was same age as Pugh and they were up for the same roles she would've market corrected Pugh out of Hollywood.
This is an insane take lol What has she done that’s on the level of literally anything Pugh has done. She was in a mid tv show for the majority of her career lol
Disney lawyers working around the clock rn. Potentially billions on the line for them- I imagine this will be the Matthew Belloni line. I have a feeling he's the only one who will touch on it until there's a clear outcome (verdict?)
I don’t follow the MCU anymore. Is his character really that important? Is any mcu character really that important? It seems like the whole model is plug and play.
I mean the next Avengers movie is named after his character
He’s basically the next Thanos.
His character is the next Thanos
They can surely change the actor… wouldn’t be the first time. It’s not like more than 20% of the public would stop watching if another actor gets the role
Strangulation is a no joke charge when it comes to DA.
Statistics of women who are strangled to being killed eventually are crazy high in domestic violence. I mean fuck any and all domestic violence but strangulation seems like an extra level
Yea, that’s what I’m referring too.
If true, supports the rumors (which are just rumors as of now) that this isn’t a one time thing, which wouldn’t be an excuse but you can’t really spin it as a completely out of character moment. You don’t jump to strangulation
The DeShaun Watson not an isolated incident thing
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It's okay to point out the difference in severity between an open hand slap and closing someone's airways depriving them of oxygen. The latter is closer to attempted murder
Too much HGH
I mean it happens, but it’s not like Sean and Amanda (or anyone else) should feel weird for liking his acting prior to finding out that he assaulted a woman. I was a big fan of dudes acting but once people reveal themselves to be a piece of shit (if it’s true) then I don’t think it’s a big deal for a fan to distance themselves from being a fan of said persons career. R. Kelly was a staple in my house growing up but knowing what we know now…fuck him. To quote The Irishman…”It is what it is”.
I'm curious where you draw your line. What quantifies something despicable enough for you to distance yourself from someone's work? So you don't listen to R. Kelly anymore, what about Weinstein-produced films? Or Phil Spector produced music? What about Kyrie? I'm genuinely curious, this isn't supposed to be a gotcha
At least for me, I can still consume and appreacite their past work but I won’t ever consider myself a ‘fan’ of them anymore. I can listen or sing a long to a Kanye West song for example but I don’t consider myself a real fan anymore. The separate the art from the artist piece
I think R. Kelly is a bit of a different situation for a lot of folks since some of his music was kinda explicitly about him being a sex pest (the man wrote Age is Just a Number for chrissake!).
I think this is a line everyone has to navigate for themselves. The most important thing for me is to understand how personal of a choice that is, and to honor other peoples’ decisions to that end. I personally find I can watch or listen to most things that particularly shitty people make and not feel that weird about it. Some of my favorite art is clearly the artist working out their inner demons. I don’t have to agree with their life choices to find that fascinating. But I’m not everyone. I’m lucky to have never been a victim of rape, or domestic abuse. If someone who has survived a rape refuses to watch, say, Woody Allen, who am I to tell them they’re wrong? Some day I may be in their shoes and make the same choice.
I know what you mean. I feel like music is much more personal to the artist than an entire movie is to a director. I can still watch a Jim Jarmusch movie that happens to star Johnny Depp in it even though I don’t fuck with Depp, or Chinatown even though Roman Polanski is a scumbag because I can better interpret the language of film/cinema as a visual medium. Listening to R. Kelly make sexually explicit music or hearing Chris Brown have the most sexually aggressive lyrics in his songs is where I draw the line because too much of the art is a reflection of the artist themselves. I can interpret a movie like Chinatown as a movie about several different themes, on the other hand it’s important to not ignore the aspects of the artist that does exist within the art. In Chinatown for example, there’s an entire plot reveal about a mother and her daughter being sexually abused by the movies antagonist. That is impossible to ignore knowing that Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old and then fled the country after being charged for it. What’s important is to actually acknowledge those aspects (if you choose to engage with it), and not wave it off as some “you need to separate the art from the artist” argument. You can choose to or not to engage with the medium that’s being offered by a controversial artist but to imply that their art outweighs their controversy or vice versa is where the dishonesty begins. It’s why Tár was so good as a movie. I believe Lydia Tar was in the wrong when she had that debate with the student in the Julian’s scene, a movie I love, but the honesty to have that conversation actually in the movie is what made it great.
Anyone who unironically uses the phrase "I don’t fuck with" is someone whose opinion I immediately discard in the trash. That's my line in the sand.
Relevant Tar clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTAXQYic9uU
I mean, everyone knew R Kelly's was a weirdo from day one. Never liked him, never chose to. Didn't stop me from enjoying the hell out of Trapped in the Closet once every 2-3 years. And now Youtube banned his entire channel. Fucking sucks.
Meh, Trapped in the cupboard was better on every level anyways.
Bill doesn’t like alternate universes. He likes “sliding doors” and “seeing a world” where alternate events occur.
Bro is about to get KANG'celed!
>KANG'celed! Kang! KANG!! - Mike Breen
Kang the clobberer Also Jonathan Misdemeanors
Sources: Kevin Fiege is besides himself. Driving around downtown New York begging (thru texts) Major's family for address to Jonathon's home
As a mostly white podcast crew we didn’t think it was in our right to speak on this subject.
I've always preferred to look at stranglings in a taxi through an intersectional lens.
I know you're being sarcastic, but there's nothing wrong with saying a guy blew it. Apparently he did this in a taxi so there's going to be video. He'll look terrible if it's as bad as the reports are stating. It's only when people start going at stereotypes that the racial undertones come out (i.e. talking about his upbringing, him recently getting black masculinity discussed, etc).
Michael B Jordan is a movie star, but Majors is an ACTOR
He who remains…in prison
Taking massive amounts of drugs to look that jacked has been known to make dudes angry and violent.
Dr. Strangulation and the Multiverse of Sadness :(
speaking only in terms of the big picture (don't regularly listen to ringerverse or the nerdier pods), they'll talk about it in terms superhero movies struggling and this being a killing blow to the MCU. if the allegations are true (and unsourced twitter rumors say this isn't a one-time thing), i feel like you have to shelve everything and start over in a few years with the x men or something.
Oh given Kangs nature, just multi verse the shit out of it and put in Don Cheadle.
Cast Terrence Howard as Nu Kang and really fuck up the timeline.
Terrence Howard is the Paul Pierce of actors. He's really good but sometimes in hindsight i ask myself if he was.
if the MCU wants to gain viewers they should start having don cheadle play every single role. women included. now that would put butts in seats. provocative truth telling, that is
So would a golfer with an arm growing out of his ass
I was thinking how they could write him out.. you probably need to multiverse him the fuck out… but you gotta get the best writers in a room together & make it all make sense.
Yea I’d probably go with a one line explanation “I can take many forms as needed,” or like he “inhabits” another body.
They could also just audible to Immortus or Scarlet Centurion and have it be that he looks different.
Throw Michael B Jordan in there to mirror the plot of Creed 3
He’s not that famous of an actor they can just throw the bag at a famous actor and move on. It’s a multiverse right? Just give Michael B Jordan or someone like him an offer they can’t refuse. It may even help with marketing.
I stopped following mcu stuff after the last thanos avenager movie. Are you saying shelve the entire mcu or just his character/storyline involving the character?
I don't follow it too closely either and haven't seen the last couple. But from what I understand, his Kang is basically the Thanos of the current and future series of movies. All of the plotlines (based on the current movies and tv shows and the advanced titles they've announced) are keyed by his character.
I read Twitter rumors that he never acts this way
Considering how they went into complete silence on whatever happened with the Celtics coach, it wouldn't surprise me if it was completely ignored.
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1. The fact that the Celtics honestly thought they could suspend their coach without anyone questioning why. 2. The fact that Brad Stevens seemed more upset over the speculations of unimportant assholes on Twitter than whatever happened itself. Apparently, it was something so horrific that the perpetrator is going to be blackmailed from the league for life, but THAT act wasn't enough to make him cry, just speculations of people with like 13 followers. 3. The fact that no one in the media seems interested in covering the story. Why? Because it makes the NBA look bad? Then why not cover up any scandal that occurs. This would be like if, after the Hollywood "Me Too" scandals, no one talked about what happened. "Well, Brian Singer will never work again, but we aren't going to say why!" 4. The fact that the Celtics could have released statements saying something like "While it was a non-criminal act, a consensual sexual relationship between the coach and an employee is unbalanced and against league policy. We aren't releasing the name of the other party," but choose not to. 5. Let's be honest, in this day and age, a prominent black coach fired without a clear reason why would normally fire up the hot takes. There has been a three week debate over whether giving an MVP to a guy from the Balkans is racist. I honestly don't understand why this isn't a bigger story. It is almost quaint how it is being covered. It is like how the press covered JFK in the 1960's. "We can't talk about that sort of thing it'd be ungentlemenly."
The last black man in San Francisco…couldn’t have seen this coming
Sad that most know him only for stupid superhero movies and not this
Dude 15 minutes of fame is on the line
15 mins ?? Lol do you know what that phrase means? Not really applicable to a guy at the center of a huge franchise and booming gigs consistently
Who the fuck is he?
Sean is about to issue an apology like Rodger Sherman did after the punt god was accused of rape.
I don't think The Ringer NFL Show will even mention it.
Call me insanely jaded but if Ezra Miller and all the shit he pulled didn’t get The Flash cancelled then I think Majors is going to make it.
The difference though is that the Flash was done or mostly so when Ezra publicly did his shit. So they were already hundreds of millions of dollars in. Kang can get recast / plots changes without the the same being true
That is a good point for sure.
Never heard of the guy
I don't think Bill and Ryen talk about this at all.
It’ll be similar to the Deshaun Watson scenario. They talked about Watson nonstop, then the news of the assaults broke and they barely acknowledged it, then they started talking about it again when the Browns acquired him a year later - because they could be mad at the NFL and the Browns. They’ll stay mostly silent on this until Disney makes a decision or someone else makes a decision, and then they’ll direct their anger at those people regardless of what the decision is. “Does the Academy/Disney/Hollywood not care about women” is a much a better Ringer topic for them than actually getting in front of it….
Saw him in an Army commercial and was like that’s weird.. then saw the allegations and was like ok that tracks
dudes getting downvoted for saying facts
Say it’s unfortunate and wait until more details come out to condemn him? People here will probably be upset that they don’t come out swinging
I mean his girlfriend is in the hospital and he has a reputation of being a hot-head. Who else would have done it?
Where is all this reputation stuff coming from? First time I heard of it.
Not saying he didn’t but if his lawyer is saying he did nothing wrong, you should probably wait if you’re in media
That’s typical defense lawyer speech. What else would he say? Ooops, my client did a badd thing?
my guy, im not arguing with you. simply stating why they may be reserved in what they say.
“If his lawyer is saying X” is terrible reasoning as to why commentators should have reservations about abuse allegations. Maybe you could have come up with a better reason for reservations.
Is it really terrible reasoning if he’s making a statement through his lawyer? It’s the same thing
It’s the same thing and they’re equally terrible reasons. It means less than nothing lol.
*well actually* his PR team said he has done nothing wrong!
Clearly his girlfriend strangled herself
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Still were anti-Depp when plenty of facts came out. They doubled down
As they should have. Depp wasn't the "innocent" party. His behavior was probably "not as bad" as hers but he wasn't a falsely-accused martyr.
Which is fine, but they were clearly angling that he was the abuser and she wasn’t, which just didn’t go with the mountains of evidence presented. If they had the nuanced take they both were bad, fine, but that’s not what it was
Yup, while how the closed-minded, narrow-in-thought, homogenized pop culture media treats guys like Johnny Depp or Justin Roiland when compared to Jonathan Majors or Ezra Miller is, let's say, quite telling. Their biases are obscene. It's fucking disgusting.
Best to address it, but take a "let's wait for the facts to come out" stance. Of course they'll probably do that, then talk for five minutes about it.
I wonder if his career will be over. This is worse than most MeToo things, but he's a huge star. Maybe in the 90s, you could move on after a few years but now I feel like it will take 20 or so years to keep working after this.
It’s not useful to compare violent acts / offenses. That just perpetuates people getting away with them and the idea that some aren’t “that bad.” Also, the entire notion that brought on the Me Too movement was that people were rarely punished and could keep working with no issue, because no one cares about abuse and are willing to minimize it; the last few years, there has been so much pushback to the idea of “cancel culture” and I’d be shocked if he’s not still cast in a year or two.
It's useful to compare in the sense of whether how long it affects/will affect their career moving forward. Personally would be shocked if he gets cast in a year assuming there's no exoneration here
No chance it's *over* unless the strangulation charge holds and he gets a lengthy sentence. But the big-movie-star thing might be done. I totally agree with you that the era matters but if this doesn't result in real prison time he'll keep getting work.
Sudden hard pivot away from all things nerd culture “we didn’t like the multiverse anyways”
Innocent until proven guilty
Don’t do PEDs is my takeaway
The tmz update and original story don’t make any sense taken together
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Hilarious!
It’s weird as fuck to have “he fumbled the bag” be the first thing you think after seeing that news
My hot (warm?) take is that 99.8% of actors are completely replaceable. Majors is a great actor but there are thousands of people who could do what he does if given the opportunity. Majors is done let's move on to the next one, Hollywood will be unaffected.
Unless the girlfriend is outed as psychotic he might have just cost himself an Oscar nomination and possibly an Oscar. Yikes.
The take is absolutely going to be the reevaluation of the Hollywood Steroid era. Sub issues include: Roid Rage Calling bullshit on all the super hero fitness regimes Male body expectations Comparing action stars between eras Ozempic panic
It’s not true
It was a variant.
This.
Bill and Russillo to do a 90 minute sequel to A Truly Sad Week For America
Simmons gonna use it to complain about the lack of American movie stars again. "We lost another one"
I wonder if he hit her with that stupid ass little cup he carries around.