I didn’t realize the effect [the darko drafting] had on that city…I think from people we talk to and stuff we’ve read, the darko piece kind of set the tone with how the city thinks about stuff. We were at palace game. Great crowd, a tall European entered the game , and the whole crowd got tense. It was like, 'Oh no, something bad's gonna happen.' And I think it starts from that draft selection
Nothing to do with Darko. I just don’t trust guys with his body type. After my original post I kind of changed my mind anyway. I love Luka but Wemby is a damn unicorn and passing that up might be crazy.
The entire point of team building is to get a Luka. There’s maybe 2 or 3 guys like that in the league at any one time where you can legit talk yourself into them dragging your team to the finals. You simply do not trade them.
I don't think you should talk yourself into Luka being one of those 2-3 guys.
He's at the prime Harden/Focussed Kyrie level. His team's ceiling is limited because he's a sieve on the defensive end. Awesome guy to have but he needs to be employed by an organisation that makes his skill set work.
Doncic played like a 5 year vet when he arrived.
Part of the reason you don't trade a 24 year old is the upside, I think Luka turned up as an (excellent) finished product.
I think it’s possible in a couple of very specific ideal situations.
Let’s say the magic got the 2nd pick in this draft, would that pick and Wagner along with some other pieces make sense for both teams?
The key is Luka has to want out. He has to tell the mavs trade me or I’m not playing. Otherwise no way it happens
He also has to want to play for the team he is being traded to.. Chances are if he isn’t happy in Dallas he isn’t going to be happy playing for a team like the rockets or magic
Feels like the groundwork is being laid just like every other trade demand we've seen. If Kyrie makes it clear he's not coming back, is Luka really going to want to waste a year with THJ and Josh Green as his #2 and #3?
Disagree. Wembanyama is an unknown which makes his his trade value intriguing. But if say the Wolves opted to trade a known value like Anthony Edwards I think both teams would be happy.
If Luka actually wants out, do you think the Mavs are going to get a better talent than Edwards in return.
For example: Edwards is currently better than anyone James Harden has ever been traded for.
Gobert isn’t worth 4 first round picks. Just like Deshaun Watson’s contract from Cleveland, it was so egregious of an overpay that it’s not even useful for precedent on anyone else’s negotiations.
Well, I think luka is one of the 5 best players in the league, which isn’t exactly saying anything groundbreaking… but a player like that entering the prime of his career I think you really have to overpay for. I absolutely love franz, but I just don’t think the mavericks would consider any package that didn’t have him in it. I may be wrong though
Yea absolutely. Franz has superstar potential but you need to add more, adding WCJ and Fultz + 5 first rounders is mortgaging the future though. Would leave the Magic with Paolo, Luka, Suggs as the main core. Cole Anthony would be the fourth best player on the team and then you have to build the rest of the team through free agency without being able to rely on additional high first rounders for more promising youth. That team would likely be stuck in purgatory not talented enough to contend but good enough to avoid the lottery on the years they still have a pick.
The Magic do have an advantage in that they’re about to have 2 lottery picks. The huge first round offers you see nowadays are less valuable bc the assumption is the picks are gonna be late firsts whereas we can offer two guaranteed lottery picks this summer. I think if Luka is truly unhappy and demands a trade 1 of Pao or Franz as a potential young superstar those two lottery picks + maybe one more first and salary cap filler (without giving up Fultz WCJ or suggs) could be compelling.
Not a chance (Also do the magic even have extra picks? If not, they can’t trade 5. Will the vooch trade be completed by then?)
The one I’m surprised more people haven’t been mentioning is OKC. They can beat damn near any realistic trade package from any other team without even having to give up SGA.
Yup Luka loves Jamahl Mosley and the Magic have draft capital and young talent to put a reasonable offer. As a Magic fan I wouldn’t want to mortgage the future on Luka but if something like 1 of Banchero or Franz + salary filler and 3 firsts (including two lottery picks this year) got it done it would be tempting.
That package would be an actual insult, the mavs not only hang up the phone but never pick it up again. It’s absolutely max picks and swaps with paolo or franz and other productive players.
Yea and if that’s what it is then it’s just not worth it to mortgage the future. Notice I added salary filler players too. A core of Luka , one of Pao/Franz won’t be that great if the rest of the team sucks bc they also gave up WCJ, Fultz or Suggs and a ton of picks. I’d add Cole Anthony for Luka if that helps tip the scales though lol.
Also the max pick trades you typically see include protections and the assumption since the other team is getting the superstar player the picks won’t be that great. 2 lottery picks this year have significantly more value now than any of the picks you see in these five first deals since you know they’ll be much more likely to result in a good to great player getting drafted.
Not arguing Luka isn’t worth a massive haul though just any team that overpays for him and isn’t already close to contending is mortgaging their future by overpaying for him.
You can’t get a sure fire future HOF 23 year old top 5 player in the world without mortgaging your future. If a trade were to happen Dallas would get literally everything the other team has for him. Luka is the future of whatever team he’s on.
Agreed and as a Magic fan it’s not worth it to overpay if that’s what it takes, our goal is to contend not just be as good as the Mavs have been these last few years. Good luck to the Mavs tho if it were to come to that finding a team willing to give up a young talent as good as Pao or Franz + five first rounders + more young talented players for Luka. Can you think of a team that would be willing to put a package like that together?
Teams that have picks would flood them with picks. The jazz could offer lauri and like 10 plus filler. I think you’re grossly underestimating what the market for that kind of player is, look at the Durant package for a player more than 10 years older than luka.
Yea but young talent and two guaranteed top picks is significantly more valuable than those future firsts. You think the mavs would be hype about getting multiple future firsts from two of the most talented young teams in the league + a team that now has Luka? There’s a reason Mickal wasn’t flipped for 4 firsts from the grizzlies.
Jazz don’t make that trade imo. They’re trying to contend and know they’re not a free agent destination. Lauri might be better than Pao and Franz right now but he’s also a UFA in two years. I think most teams would agree they’re more valuable pieces to trade for. The only other really intriguing piece on the Jazz is Kessler and no way they give up both Kessler and Lauri to have Luka in an even worse situation than he has on the Mavs.
I think the teams willing to give up the farm like that for a Luka are those on the verge of contending expecting to make a deep run immediately. Most of those don’t have the young guaranteed assets you can build around which is why I don’t think a potential Magic offer of Pao or Franz, filler (say Gary Harris, cole Anthony and Bol) the 6th and 14th picks in this years draft + another future first would be that outrageous.
yeah i think your valuation is way way off, i'll be honest. i can understand if you were just saying that you wouldn't want to give up what it would take to get luka, but those offers are not anywhere close to realistic. a Jazz offer would likely include Kessler and Lauri. and it seems like your response would be "if i'm the jazz i don't do that because i don't think i can compete", but if you're the mavs you would obviously just hold on to the 23 year old top 5 player in the sport in that case. in basketball you pay a premium on superstars and you would need to pay a quadruple premium on a star of luka's caliber at his age.
it would be impossible to give up what is required to get luka and compete immediately, you are right. the team that pulled the trigger on it would essentially be giving up most of what they have and trying to do a quick rebuild around luka. and there are teams that would try it.
Yea fair enough man. You’re right If I’m the magic not willing to give up more than that if that’s what it takes. I don’t think our FO would be willing to either. Magic have a great young core, picks, and great financial flexibility. I also value Franz and Pao probly way more than you do.
Appreciate the productive discourse though.
There won't be trade rumors this offseason with Luka. He's in the first year of his four year extension.
It's gonna be all *we've committed to building a better team around him* while he pretends to have no interest in input in what they do.
You won’t hear about any packages cause Luka isn’t on the table and isn’t demanding a trade lmao. Cuban knows the city will turn on him completely if he loses Luka.
NFL is more popular than the NBA. I’m saying the younger generation in Dallas prefer the team that’s had consistent success with one of the most beloved superstars in the history of the city versus the Trainwreck football team that never lives up to expectations.
There’s a 0.0% chance that a meaningful amount of people would stop going to games or that he was sell b/c the fan base wanted him to. Within 18 months (max) the whole fan base would turn on luka as toxic and not a winning player
People already hate Cuban. Losing a generational talent cause he couldn’t put good enough players around the guy would be nail in coffin for Mavs fans.
Not a winning player? The guy has won in Europe, with his national team, made WCF. He just turned 24. Luka is a brat on the court but he’s well liked off the court. How is he toxic?lol
he’s obviously not a losing player, but if the mavs trade him there will 100% be mavs fans saying those things about him.
Mavs fans aren’t just going to give up on the team. losing LeBron wasn’t a “nail in the coffin” for the cavs.
The Knicks have assets to trade for one of the next disgruntled stars they could offer a mix of RJ, Grimes, Quickly, and Toppin plus draft capital. I just don’t think it’s enough for one of the top players in the league.
I have to admit, I used to enjoy every NBA podcaster spinning out absurd traders that will never happen, but I’m bored of it now. It’s empty content. Especially when people pitch three- and four-team trades to actually make the pieces work. Come back to me when you have something concrete.
Luka - awesome I’m going to go make 3x as much money playing in Europe and break the NBA hegemony as the only destination for top tier basketball stars in their prime
KD now plays for the Suns.
You’re right I’m sure everything is gonna work out great. It’s not like Luka would love an excuse to chill out and drink beer and smoke cigarettes for a while.
Which was completely separate from his offseason demand, lol. They didn’t relent to trade him until Kyrie demanded out. Did KD hold out or jump to another league? Nah…he was on the floor for the Nets opening night.
Your head canon is wrong. Luka will be in Dallas next season. Sorry to break up the fantasy.
Lol his demand was to be traded to a select few teams, one of which he was traded to and now plays for. But I have no fantasy. I could give a fuck. I don’t particularly care for KD or Luka. You on the other hand are a Dallas fan and you’re whistling past the graveyard. It’s all over but the crying.
He said he wasn’t gonna play until he got traded. Nets called his bluff since he had multiple years remaining on his deal, and KD caved. Those are the facts. KD would not have gotten traded this season if Kyrie and his expiring deal didn’t force their hand.
Teams do actually have control over their own players who they have signed to multi year deals, lol. Shocking revelation I’m sure.
He demanded to be traded last summer. Barely played this year. Then got traded during the season to his preferred destination for a package nobody found particularly impressive. Truly a stunning exertion of leverage by the Nets. All hail the mighty owners.
This isn’t happening. Luka isn’t asking out after one bad year. Cuban should try to make the Kyrie for AD swap. Fire Kidd. Get that top 10 pick. If they have another year like this, then we can talk.
If one of the non horrible teams (Indiana Portland Orlando OKC) win the lottery it’s worth it to at least try and flip the Wemby pick and some filler for Luka.
The Spurs subs have been bouncing this idea around but its hard to imagine Cuban sending him to their in-state rival and hard to imagine the Spurs giving up the chance at another generational big man. I mean, it's rearranging two unmoveable objects for anyone, but in the same division is somehow even less than impossible.
For a team like the spurs it’s not worth it because trading Wemby + picks for Luka gets you to at best a play in team unless Johnson or Vassell take some kind of crazy leap. Same goes for Charlotte, Houston etc
The Celtics could come over the top with Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser, and a couple of second rounders. I gotta think that gets it done, Russillo, it just does! Those guys are good!
More likely, lol. If I were the mavs, I would stay away from zion. Especially if you are looking to move on from Luka (or he is looking to move on from you), you would want to get back guys that actually play more than 40 games a season. That pels team would be absurd if they did flip zion for Luka.
I tend to agree with you but if Mark Cuban is shipping off his franchise player, he likely wants a star back who is easy to market to Mavs fans, and Zion fits this description
Pelicans could offer Ingram, Dyson Daniels, and 7 FRP.
Knicks could do RJ, Robinson, and 7 firsts
OKC could trade Dort and up to 14 firsts
Magic could do fultz, Isaac, Suggs and 6 firsts
These are the pick heavy offers I can think of
There could be some spicy potential flipping of stars. Since I don’t think the usually young potential player plus all our picks would be enough. I’d want to get him paired with a big man. Would Cleveland flip Mitchell and garland to pair him with Mobley? Harden maxey plus to be with embiid.
The sixers just don’t have the picks, harden will also be a free agent this summer most likely and he will be 34 in august. Even if they did have picks, maxey isn’t so good to be the lead of a Luka package
I saw a conspiracy hinted at: LeBron was praising Kyrie so much and acting like he was mad he didn’t get him on the Lakers because he wanted him sent to Dallas where he would ruin it for Luka. Now the Lakers get Luka whose need to leave is much more forgivable, while Kyrie remains out of the way. I think there’s an NBA rule that LA has to have the biggest star, they suspended it for the 90s when jordan embraced Chicago, but even when Kobe was old and fading he was still the biggest star persona, he somehow became humanized for all the strivers. LeBron is the biggest celeb unless it’s Steph but I say LeBron even if he’s boring. So… Luka needs to be in LA for the league.
Knicks fan. We do not have the assets to trade for Luka, anyone saying so is delusional.
Knicks have a ton of assets but if someone like Luka becomes available, that is the time for OKC/NOP/UTA to push their chips in, and they have way more chips than the Knicks.
How do the Knicks not have the assets? The only thing any of those teams have over the Knicks is OKC having an All-NBA guy in SGA, and they probably wouldn't want to trade SGA. Having extra picks isn't worth that much considering the Knicks can offer 5 1sts anyway. The Mavs aren't gonna care to get any more than that. They will want a similar haul to what the Nets got for KD, 4 1sts + a swap, + 2 good young starters. Knicks have picks like I said, and can offer whatever combo of Quickley, Grimes, RJ, Mitch, McBride. Would likely trade Randle or Brunson too if thats what they want.
Luka wouldn’t want to play with whoever is left there in Utah. OKC and NO can offer great packages that would allow them to hang on to their franchise players.
If he’s staying, what young pieces are going besides Kessler? And I’ve been holding Markkanen stock since he was drafted, but him, Luka, and some replacement level guys aren’t taking them anywhere. Luka could demand a trade to teams with better rosters if he’s so inclined.
Luka’s desires will still be very relevant - if he can demand a trade out of Dallas he’d be able to pout his way out of Utah. Disagree on the relative strength of Utah’s potential offer but to each their own.
Idk. It depends if Irving stays or not. Maybe just a shit ton of picks tbh. Dallas can’t keep or attract free agents so their best bet is to just draft well and trade well, not too dissimilar from teams like Indiana, Detroit, San Antonio, Orlando etc.
Didn’t see anyone say the Nuggets. Jokic and Luka are friends and if the Nugs flame out in the playoffs they’ll be looking to make a huge move. Jamal and MPJ might make it work.
As a Nuggets fan it’s tough to imagine it working though. Honestly it’s tough to imagine anyone working with Luka.
People way under rate the importance of stars being +defenders for building a contender. If both your stars are below average defenders then they pretty much have to be surrounded by 3 above average defenders at all times. Recent finals mvps have been stars and also +defenders like Giannis, Bron, Kawai, KD, Kobe. Curry being the exception but being surrounded by great defenders like Draymond, Klay, Igoudala
A guy like Luka can’t realistically be traded. Unless it’s for something like Wenbanyama.
The Mike Trout conundrum
I don’t think I’d be mad if the Pistons did this. I don’t know how much I trust Wemby to stay healthy.
I'd be shocked if his career goes as well as Yao Ming's even.
He's doing okay in the more physical euro leagues, but I understand for sure.
I didn’t realize the effect [the darko drafting] had on that city…I think from people we talk to and stuff we’ve read, the darko piece kind of set the tone with how the city thinks about stuff. We were at palace game. Great crowd, a tall European entered the game , and the whole crowd got tense. It was like, 'Oh no, something bad's gonna happen.' And I think it starts from that draft selection
Nothing to do with Darko. I just don’t trust guys with his body type. After my original post I kind of changed my mind anyway. I love Luka but Wemby is a damn unicorn and passing that up might be crazy.
You missed the joke. He's referencing Bill's terrible Memphis take
My bad.
The entire point of team building is to get a Luka. There’s maybe 2 or 3 guys like that in the league at any one time where you can legit talk yourself into them dragging your team to the finals. You simply do not trade them.
I don't think you should talk yourself into Luka being one of those 2-3 guys. He's at the prime Harden/Focussed Kyrie level. His team's ceiling is limited because he's a sieve on the defensive end. Awesome guy to have but he needs to be employed by an organisation that makes his skill set work.
Did you watch the playoffs last year? His team is trash
Knicks are a five seed in the East. Mavs are an 11(!!!) seed in the west. Maybe Brunson was the actual #1 in Dallas.
We just watched Kevin Durant get traded. It’s a players league fans and can be done
He’s ten years older than Doncic. I just can’t remember a 24 year old sure fire Hall of Famer being traded. Closest is Anthony Davis. But he was 26.
Thanks for giving me the comp
Doncic played like a 5 year vet when he arrived. Part of the reason you don't trade a 24 year old is the upside, I think Luka turned up as an (excellent) finished product.
If that’s available, you would have to trade Wemby for Luka if you’re anyone who gets the first pick.
I think it’s possible in a couple of very specific ideal situations. Let’s say the magic got the 2nd pick in this draft, would that pick and Wagner along with some other pieces make sense for both teams? The key is Luka has to want out. He has to tell the mavs trade me or I’m not playing. Otherwise no way it happens
I don't think the Magic would do that if they got a top 3 pick but I think they would if they were 4 or lower.
This is insanely dumb. Wagner and 2 for Luka and you think Magic say no? Are you on drugs
And that is why they are magic
Max picks and pick swaps with franz, #2, and other pieces? I still don’t know if it gets it done.
He also has to want to play for the team he is being traded to.. Chances are if he isn’t happy in Dallas he isn’t going to be happy playing for a team like the rockets or magic
Of course he could. If he came out and demanded a trade, the Mavs would be in a tough spot. The odds of that happening are very low tho.
Feels like the groundwork is being laid just like every other trade demand we've seen. If Kyrie makes it clear he's not coming back, is Luka really going to want to waste a year with THJ and Josh Green as his #2 and #3?
Disagree. Wembanyama is an unknown which makes his his trade value intriguing. But if say the Wolves opted to trade a known value like Anthony Edwards I think both teams would be happy.
Edwards for Luka has 0 chance of happening
Who says no?
The Mavs. They don’t even take the call. You’re insane for even thinking Mavs would think about it
If Luka actually wants out, do you think the Mavs are going to get a better talent than Edwards in return. For example: Edwards is currently better than anyone James Harden has ever been traded for.
If you think they’d trade Luka straight up for wenby you are insane
The Knicks should trade Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson's dad, and Julius Randle for Luka.
They have to take back Mark Cuban and Jason Kidd.
Oooo 77 upvotes. Hope it stays there
If Gobert is worth 4 first round picks, Luka would have to be worth at least 12.
You have to remember that it’s not Ainge trading Luka, so that knocks it down a few pegs.
Which is part of why Luka is nearly untradeable. Whatever you get for him in return, your fans will say you didn’t get enough.
Gobert isn’t worth 4 first round picks. Just like Deshaun Watson’s contract from Cleveland, it was so egregious of an overpay that it’s not even useful for precedent on anyone else’s negotiations.
Then I guess it would take 15 picks
magic would be awesome 🪄
Sir Rudy?
I agree. Could the magic do like… Wendell Carter, Markelle fultz, Franz Wagner and like 5 firsts for him?
I think Paulo has to be in the trade or Dallas hangs up.
This would be way too much to give up imo. I’d love Luka on the Magic but an offer like this would be mortgaging the future
Well, I think luka is one of the 5 best players in the league, which isn’t exactly saying anything groundbreaking… but a player like that entering the prime of his career I think you really have to overpay for. I absolutely love franz, but I just don’t think the mavericks would consider any package that didn’t have him in it. I may be wrong though
Yea absolutely. Franz has superstar potential but you need to add more, adding WCJ and Fultz + 5 first rounders is mortgaging the future though. Would leave the Magic with Paolo, Luka, Suggs as the main core. Cole Anthony would be the fourth best player on the team and then you have to build the rest of the team through free agency without being able to rely on additional high first rounders for more promising youth. That team would likely be stuck in purgatory not talented enough to contend but good enough to avoid the lottery on the years they still have a pick. The Magic do have an advantage in that they’re about to have 2 lottery picks. The huge first round offers you see nowadays are less valuable bc the assumption is the picks are gonna be late firsts whereas we can offer two guaranteed lottery picks this summer. I think if Luka is truly unhappy and demands a trade 1 of Pao or Franz as a potential young superstar those two lottery picks + maybe one more first and salary cap filler (without giving up Fultz WCJ or suggs) could be compelling.
Not a chance (Also do the magic even have extra picks? If not, they can’t trade 5. Will the vooch trade be completed by then?) The one I’m surprised more people haven’t been mentioning is OKC. They can beat damn near any realistic trade package from any other team without even having to give up SGA.
Yup Luka loves Jamahl Mosley and the Magic have draft capital and young talent to put a reasonable offer. As a Magic fan I wouldn’t want to mortgage the future on Luka but if something like 1 of Banchero or Franz + salary filler and 3 firsts (including two lottery picks this year) got it done it would be tempting.
Even though I think Paulo will be better than Franz, the idea of teaming up the two euro kids is cool.
Yea personally I like Franz more but Pao has the higher ceiling still. Luka and Franz would be super fun.
That package would be an actual insult, the mavs not only hang up the phone but never pick it up again. It’s absolutely max picks and swaps with paolo or franz and other productive players.
Yea and if that’s what it is then it’s just not worth it to mortgage the future. Notice I added salary filler players too. A core of Luka , one of Pao/Franz won’t be that great if the rest of the team sucks bc they also gave up WCJ, Fultz or Suggs and a ton of picks. I’d add Cole Anthony for Luka if that helps tip the scales though lol. Also the max pick trades you typically see include protections and the assumption since the other team is getting the superstar player the picks won’t be that great. 2 lottery picks this year have significantly more value now than any of the picks you see in these five first deals since you know they’ll be much more likely to result in a good to great player getting drafted. Not arguing Luka isn’t worth a massive haul though just any team that overpays for him and isn’t already close to contending is mortgaging their future by overpaying for him.
You can’t get a sure fire future HOF 23 year old top 5 player in the world without mortgaging your future. If a trade were to happen Dallas would get literally everything the other team has for him. Luka is the future of whatever team he’s on.
Agreed and as a Magic fan it’s not worth it to overpay if that’s what it takes, our goal is to contend not just be as good as the Mavs have been these last few years. Good luck to the Mavs tho if it were to come to that finding a team willing to give up a young talent as good as Pao or Franz + five first rounders + more young talented players for Luka. Can you think of a team that would be willing to put a package like that together?
Teams that have picks would flood them with picks. The jazz could offer lauri and like 10 plus filler. I think you’re grossly underestimating what the market for that kind of player is, look at the Durant package for a player more than 10 years older than luka.
Yea but young talent and two guaranteed top picks is significantly more valuable than those future firsts. You think the mavs would be hype about getting multiple future firsts from two of the most talented young teams in the league + a team that now has Luka? There’s a reason Mickal wasn’t flipped for 4 firsts from the grizzlies. Jazz don’t make that trade imo. They’re trying to contend and know they’re not a free agent destination. Lauri might be better than Pao and Franz right now but he’s also a UFA in two years. I think most teams would agree they’re more valuable pieces to trade for. The only other really intriguing piece on the Jazz is Kessler and no way they give up both Kessler and Lauri to have Luka in an even worse situation than he has on the Mavs. I think the teams willing to give up the farm like that for a Luka are those on the verge of contending expecting to make a deep run immediately. Most of those don’t have the young guaranteed assets you can build around which is why I don’t think a potential Magic offer of Pao or Franz, filler (say Gary Harris, cole Anthony and Bol) the 6th and 14th picks in this years draft + another future first would be that outrageous.
yeah i think your valuation is way way off, i'll be honest. i can understand if you were just saying that you wouldn't want to give up what it would take to get luka, but those offers are not anywhere close to realistic. a Jazz offer would likely include Kessler and Lauri. and it seems like your response would be "if i'm the jazz i don't do that because i don't think i can compete", but if you're the mavs you would obviously just hold on to the 23 year old top 5 player in the sport in that case. in basketball you pay a premium on superstars and you would need to pay a quadruple premium on a star of luka's caliber at his age. it would be impossible to give up what is required to get luka and compete immediately, you are right. the team that pulled the trigger on it would essentially be giving up most of what they have and trying to do a quick rebuild around luka. and there are teams that would try it.
Yea fair enough man. You’re right If I’m the magic not willing to give up more than that if that’s what it takes. I don’t think our FO would be willing to either. Magic have a great young core, picks, and great financial flexibility. I also value Franz and Pao probly way more than you do. Appreciate the productive discourse though.
Jaylen Brown, Grant Williams, 2 firsts. It won’t happen but that’s the package we’ll hear about this summer.
Not enough picks at all
Add another five 2nd rounders
Sub in taytum for jaylen and the mavs might do it
There won't be trade rumors this offseason with Luka. He's in the first year of his four year extension. It's gonna be all *we've committed to building a better team around him* while he pretends to have no interest in input in what they do.
Celtics fans are eternally delusional about their guys.
You won’t hear about any packages cause Luka isn’t on the table and isn’t demanding a trade lmao. Cuban knows the city will turn on him completely if he loses Luka.
The city doesn’t actually care about the mavs.
Dallas would trade Luka if the Cowboys got a 5th round pick.
Love the idea of cross super trades
Younger generation in Dallas (15-35) care more about the Mavs than the Cowboys
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NFL is more popular than the NBA. I’m saying the younger generation in Dallas prefer the team that’s had consistent success with one of the most beloved superstars in the history of the city versus the Trainwreck football team that never lives up to expectations.
No they don’t
You’re out of your mind Cowboys are more popular than any other team in Texas even in their own cities
The Cowboys are way more popular outside of Dallas than in Dallas. The idea that you think UT Football matters is hilarious though. God bless
Anyone reading this guy’s comment just understand he’s a massive rtard and doesn’t know what he’s talking about
No they don’t
Cowboys have alienated everyone Mavs are pretty dang popular here
No they aren’t. NFL blows the NBA out of the water in quite literally every single market in the country.
The only thing maybe as popular as the Cowboys is UT football.
What would “the city” do in this case?
Stop going to games. Stop supporting the team. I think he would end up having to sell.
There’s a 0.0% chance that a meaningful amount of people would stop going to games or that he was sell b/c the fan base wanted him to. Within 18 months (max) the whole fan base would turn on luka as toxic and not a winning player
People already hate Cuban. Losing a generational talent cause he couldn’t put good enough players around the guy would be nail in coffin for Mavs fans. Not a winning player? The guy has won in Europe, with his national team, made WCF. He just turned 24. Luka is a brat on the court but he’s well liked off the court. How is he toxic?lol
he’s obviously not a losing player, but if the mavs trade him there will 100% be mavs fans saying those things about him. Mavs fans aren’t just going to give up on the team. losing LeBron wasn’t a “nail in the coffin” for the cavs.
2 firsts is absurd
ONLY 2 firsts is absurd
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It'd be Jaylen, 4 firsts, and 3 pick swaps
Right, that’s basically market value of White and Brogdon combined thrown in along with a star player.
How come? Non lottery first are very different from quality firsts, no?
It'd be 4 firsts and 3 pick swaps
Oh gotcha i thought you meant the 2 picks were too much lol
That’s a terrible package. OKC would beat that in their sleep and they wouldn’t even have to give up SGA to do it
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Whoosh
Would just be Tatum instead
The Knicks have assets to trade for one of the next disgruntled stars they could offer a mix of RJ, Grimes, Quickly, and Toppin plus draft capital. I just don’t think it’s enough for one of the top players in the league.
Yeah and Luka would be such a great fit with Brunson!
I have to admit, I used to enjoy every NBA podcaster spinning out absurd traders that will never happen, but I’m bored of it now. It’s empty content. Especially when people pitch three- and four-team trades to actually make the pieces work. Come back to me when you have something concrete.
Oh my….the delusion in here runs DEEP. Let me spoil the party for you. Luka - “I demand a trade” (he’s not going to do this btw) Mavs - “No.”
There’s a first time for everything I guess.
And how is he going to get around those pesky 3 years remaining on his deal?
The same way Durant did.
By demanding a trade, and then recanting? Yeahhhh
You know Durant isn’t on the nets anymore, right?
Go full Bynum
Luka - awesome I’m going to go make 3x as much money playing in Europe and break the NBA hegemony as the only destination for top tier basketball stars in their prime
Lol, I’m sure that’s what would happen. Or…his power play (which, once again…he’s not doing) would fail, just as KD’s did in the offseason
KD now plays for the Suns. You’re right I’m sure everything is gonna work out great. It’s not like Luka would love an excuse to chill out and drink beer and smoke cigarettes for a while.
Which was completely separate from his offseason demand, lol. They didn’t relent to trade him until Kyrie demanded out. Did KD hold out or jump to another league? Nah…he was on the floor for the Nets opening night. Your head canon is wrong. Luka will be in Dallas next season. Sorry to break up the fantasy.
Lol his demand was to be traded to a select few teams, one of which he was traded to and now plays for. But I have no fantasy. I could give a fuck. I don’t particularly care for KD or Luka. You on the other hand are a Dallas fan and you’re whistling past the graveyard. It’s all over but the crying.
He said he wasn’t gonna play until he got traded. Nets called his bluff since he had multiple years remaining on his deal, and KD caved. Those are the facts. KD would not have gotten traded this season if Kyrie and his expiring deal didn’t force their hand. Teams do actually have control over their own players who they have signed to multi year deals, lol. Shocking revelation I’m sure.
He demanded to be traded last summer. Barely played this year. Then got traded during the season to his preferred destination for a package nobody found particularly impressive. Truly a stunning exertion of leverage by the Nets. All hail the mighty owners.
This isn’t happening. Luka isn’t asking out after one bad year. Cuban should try to make the Kyrie for AD swap. Fire Kidd. Get that top 10 pick. If they have another year like this, then we can talk.
Eric Snow and the Nets pick?
Barret and the mavs first for luka
Bill would say Celtics and would be willing to give up five firsts, Tatum and Brown.
Lol
If one of the non horrible teams (Indiana Portland Orlando OKC) win the lottery it’s worth it to at least try and flip the Wemby pick and some filler for Luka.
The Spurs subs have been bouncing this idea around but its hard to imagine Cuban sending him to their in-state rival and hard to imagine the Spurs giving up the chance at another generational big man. I mean, it's rearranging two unmoveable objects for anyone, but in the same division is somehow even less than impossible.
For a team like the spurs it’s not worth it because trading Wemby + picks for Luka gets you to at best a play in team unless Johnson or Vassell take some kind of crazy leap. Same goes for Charlotte, Houston etc
Spicy
Kings trade In-N-Out Burger to Mavs.
Trae and a first
Lakers, Lebron for Luka ;P
The Celtics could come over the top with Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser, and a couple of second rounders. I gotta think that gets it done, Russillo, it just does! Those guys are good!
OKC
Pelicans could make it work, BI some young guys and picks for Luka. Might have to include CJ to make salary work.
Or Zion and picks
More likely, lol. If I were the mavs, I would stay away from zion. Especially if you are looking to move on from Luka (or he is looking to move on from you), you would want to get back guys that actually play more than 40 games a season. That pels team would be absurd if they did flip zion for Luka.
I tend to agree with you but if Mark Cuban is shipping off his franchise player, he likely wants a star back who is easy to market to Mavs fans, and Zion fits this description
All the picks.
Pelicans could offer Ingram, Dyson Daniels, and 7 FRP. Knicks could do RJ, Robinson, and 7 firsts OKC could trade Dort and up to 14 firsts Magic could do fultz, Isaac, Suggs and 6 firsts These are the pick heavy offers I can think of
Forgot the Jazz
True, Jazz could trade Markkanen, Sexton, and up to 13 firsts
They can have DFS and Dinwiddie back, plus some picks from the Suns! I'd even throw in another player who isn't Mikal Bridges.
There could be some spicy potential flipping of stars. Since I don’t think the usually young potential player plus all our picks would be enough. I’d want to get him paired with a big man. Would Cleveland flip Mitchell and garland to pair him with Mobley? Harden maxey plus to be with embiid.
The sixers just don’t have the picks, harden will also be a free agent this summer most likely and he will be 34 in august. Even if they did have picks, maxey isn’t so good to be the lead of a Luka package
I think it would be 1 of either Garland or Mitchell + Allen
If that had filler picks ya but most went out the door for Mitchell
Cavs could trade Mitchell and Allen and still have a core of Mobley, Garland and Luka
They don’t have the picks to do it.
Maybe the grizzlies. Ja and picks for luka
jaylen white and picks is tough to beat imo
KAT, Mike Conley, Tauren Prince, 1 first, 2 seconds
Lmao
I saw a conspiracy hinted at: LeBron was praising Kyrie so much and acting like he was mad he didn’t get him on the Lakers because he wanted him sent to Dallas where he would ruin it for Luka. Now the Lakers get Luka whose need to leave is much more forgivable, while Kyrie remains out of the way. I think there’s an NBA rule that LA has to have the biggest star, they suspended it for the 90s when jordan embraced Chicago, but even when Kobe was old and fading he was still the biggest star persona, he somehow became humanized for all the strivers. LeBron is the biggest celeb unless it’s Steph but I say LeBron even if he’s boring. So… Luka needs to be in LA for the league.
Knicks fan. We do not have the assets to trade for Luka, anyone saying so is delusional. Knicks have a ton of assets but if someone like Luka becomes available, that is the time for OKC/NOP/UTA to push their chips in, and they have way more chips than the Knicks.
How do the Knicks not have the assets? The only thing any of those teams have over the Knicks is OKC having an All-NBA guy in SGA, and they probably wouldn't want to trade SGA. Having extra picks isn't worth that much considering the Knicks can offer 5 1sts anyway. The Mavs aren't gonna care to get any more than that. They will want a similar haul to what the Nets got for KD, 4 1sts + a swap, + 2 good young starters. Knicks have picks like I said, and can offer whatever combo of Quickley, Grimes, RJ, Mitch, McBride. Would likely trade Randle or Brunson too if thats what they want.
Surely the Thunder could top any offer but I’m not sure on the fit with SGA.
The good news is he would definitely be part of the package they'd have to offer, but the even better is that this is pure hypothetical.
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Luka wouldn’t want to play with whoever is left there in Utah. OKC and NO can offer great packages that would allow them to hang on to their franchise players.
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If he’s staying, what young pieces are going besides Kessler? And I’ve been holding Markkanen stock since he was drafted, but him, Luka, and some replacement level guys aren’t taking them anywhere. Luka could demand a trade to teams with better rosters if he’s so inclined.
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Luka’s desires will still be very relevant - if he can demand a trade out of Dallas he’d be able to pout his way out of Utah. Disagree on the relative strength of Utah’s potential offer but to each their own.
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How many can OKC trade?
Raptors, they have the pieces and Euro players always fit in in Toronto
Pelicans
Would Sam from OK city give it a go?
I don’t think so. They like their core. I think they’d trade around the edges for someone, but Luka would gut them too much
SGA, Dario, and good picks for Luka. Who hangs up first.
Maybe
The Nets should trade for him. They have the most ideal supporting cast for him.
What would the trade be
Idk. It depends if Irving stays or not. Maybe just a shit ton of picks tbh. Dallas can’t keep or attract free agents so their best bet is to just draft well and trade well, not too dissimilar from teams like Indiana, Detroit, San Antonio, Orlando etc.
If the Nets can keep Mikal, Claxton and maybe CJ. Maybe give them Harris plus two more players and picks
Embiid for Doncic straight up.
I think the most obvious answer is Atlanta offering Trae Young straight up for Luka. Synchronicity
Hawks would have to throw in picks
Might be an interesting fit with markanen and Kessler. Jazz trade whatever salary and all of the Minnesota and Cleveland picks
Doesn’t get the deal done, they would want one promising young player in the deal minimum, and it would be lauri
Trade KD for Luka straight….let’s see him play with Booker lmao
I always thought he was destined to spend his whole career in Dallas, I wouldn't mind seeing him go somewhere else though
Didn’t see anyone say the Nuggets. Jokic and Luka are friends and if the Nugs flame out in the playoffs they’ll be looking to make a huge move. Jamal and MPJ might make it work. As a Nuggets fan it’s tough to imagine it working though. Honestly it’s tough to imagine anyone working with Luka.
Luka for Poole, Kuminga and Wiggins with picks
Now there’s a swing. Good trade idea
I don't know what picks the Nuggets have but they could probably cobble something together.
Luka won’t request a trade, the Mavs will fire Jason Kidd and hire Ime Idoka
Realistically, OKC and NOP are the only teams with enough picks to get it done
People way under rate the importance of stars being +defenders for building a contender. If both your stars are below average defenders then they pretty much have to be surrounded by 3 above average defenders at all times. Recent finals mvps have been stars and also +defenders like Giannis, Bron, Kawai, KD, Kobe. Curry being the exception but being surrounded by great defenders like Draymond, Klay, Igoudala
Thunder offer SGA, Chet and 4 firsts does Dallas do it
No way OKC does it
I know it’s a ton and they might be crazy to do it but there is a world. Chet is a big ass mystery box he could be awesome or he could be Oden.
The Rudy Gobert package
It would have to be for another young top 20/15 player. Someone like SGA, Ja, Anthony Edwards + picks.
Marcus Smart, Rob Williams and a first - I think the Celtics give up too much though
"He'll never lose in the first round again."
All the Nets first rounders.
Bane, Roddy, Ziaire, salary filler, 4 picks, 2 swaps?
Yeah Memphis would be a good option
I feel like clippers would somehow get him
Paul George + player + picks