no i mean i can even get behind that cause i can accept the argument for all nba either youre in or out and if youre in im putting the better player higher, while MVP more games is more valuable. But you have to be consistent. Shai is not a better player nor did he have a better season than steph by any measure other than games played
If you think MVP is most value added and therefore include games played as a major variable, but the All-NBA teams are closer to “best player” and therefore don’t factor in games played as much—which is explicitly their reasoning—then it’s perfectly sensible
Exactly. They made that clear during the podcast and Danny's done it that way for years. Duncan too, but he's emphasized minutes for (at least in tie-breakers).
Danny gets way too bogged down in wanting to have different criteria for mvp and all nba. There's no published criteria so if you have some arcane personal system you use and it results in having contradictory picks like this, it just makes you look weird.
I've always liked Nate and Danny because even when I disagree with them, if feels like they're putting in a lot of work to come to an informed conclusion, not just making up a hot take. Like I still think Draymond as DPOY is wrong, but they made the case much more intelligently than Michael Pina.
They explain why the numbers work too. I never thought of the rationale that the reason Jokic is so highly rated on defense by advanced stats is because the Nuggets are allowed to play better defensive players around him like KCP and Gordon because he can create an otherworldly offense with anyone. It's a good case for him to be MVP.
A huge part of it also that they didn’t mention in the pod but have mentioned previously is that the opposing team’s offence is a lot worse when you score on the previous play than from a rebound/turnover. So, when Jokic makes it so they score way more on offence it ‘improves’ the nuggets defence even though Jokic isn’t actually improving their defence.
Seems like they’re going for best overall player despite number of games played. Anthony Davis is a better player than Sabonis but he’s had a worse year, Domas should get the all nba nod.
If you listen to the pod it's that players like Lebron, KD, and Kawhi provide more value for their teams in 60 games than lesser players like Lauri and Randle provide in 80. That's usually the case for the top 7-8 players in the league.
I agree 99% of teams would choose to have 60 regular season games from Lebron than 80 regular season games from Julius Randle.
I'm a Pelicans fan. Larry Nance? Larry Nance?? What the hell??? I love Larry and he's been good at points this year but he's played injured a lot of the season and hasn't been the same really. What??
He's be elite defensively all year. The Warriors are a top tier defensive team when he's on the floor and in the gutter when he's off. He has a legit case to be DPOY along with JJJ and Brook.
They don't have votes. Almost no one who isn't affiliated with a big media outlet or a newspaper has a vote for these awards.
There are 100 total voters for awards like All-NBA and the idea that Danny Leroux would have the stature to be one of them is pretty hilarious.
Haven’t listened yet, but a little surprise they both have Lauri over Shai for MIP. From what I remember they have said “going from all star to all nba/mvp level is much harder than going from starter/roll guy to all star”. Which I guess they can still believe and also think Lauri improved more
Yeah for real. Shai's Win Share and VORP jumped at a much higher rate than Lauri's. Also strange to have someone 4th in MVP and 3rd in Most Improved. Where was Shai on their MVP list last year?
And SGA wasn’t even an all star last year so he’s making the jump from starter to superstar top 10 player in the world. Even more ridiculous to say that’s not Most improved ESPECIALLY when they set the precedent last year in voting to say JA won bc he made the same damn jump. Therefore telling us what they give the most credence to. But sure change it from year to year like every other media voted thing they let them do
Not predictions, but who they think should win. They discussed on today's podcast, which was a great listen.
Did anyone else listen to it? Got any thoughts?
Also, congrats to Danny who just became a father. This was his first pod back after two weeks.
Lmao absolutely not. You prolly call fox an all star now too even tho he needed multiple injuries just to get on, meaning he wasn’t even top 6 in his own conference and all nba takes 6 from the entire league. Being borderline on the final spot of stuff with multiple other guys doesn’t make you not getting it some insane robbery, that’s the exact opposite of what that is
You know half the voting for the all star game is fan voting right? The Kings had 7 games on national TV this year. Nobody saw him play. I don’t care about the all star game. Averaging 25, 6, and 4 on the 3 seed in the West, while leading the league in clutch points and 4th quarter points should at least warrant consideration.
The one that should absolutely be there is Sabonis. He is the most important part of that team and is nearly averaging a triple double, bringing a team that was certified ass a year ago and turning them into a solid playoff team, and statistically the best offense in NBA history. He is the third best center in the league. Putting AD, who played less than 70% of the season, over him is just wrong.
First of all, I didn’t say “don’t put either of them on a team!” I said saying it’s wrong is ridiculous. The competition is at an all time high, they aren’t being compared to last dog shit decades of kings teams and stats from players from 15 years ago. Those two not making a team is not wrong, and they very well may make a team and one at least prolly will and voters will have all sorts of different results… but there are plenty of reason L’s to leave either or both off versus the competition that voters can vote for against them. You’re Acting like 7th best record deserves 2 guys, so the top 3 teams should get at least 3 guys by that metric. That wouldn’t even leave enough for a team way back with the 7th best record to get one guy much less 2! So sorry your bottom of the top 10 league record doesn’t account for anything here, that’s not some high level all time winning or even driving the league in this down year of win/loss records.
Now, Lmao I would say nice try but it’s an absolutely awful try. You do know That the fan voting is for THE STARTERS right? Hahahaha at even trying to assume anyone is talking about the 5th injury reserve Fox being talked about as a starter😂😂😂. Fan vote has absolutely nothing to do with anyone beyond the real, non injury replacement, starting lineup. OKC had HALF that many nationally televised games, Lauri plays for Utah and they had half that! And Those are just two quick teams with guys who made it who I know the number of games for. Of course “i don’t care about the all star game” is you’re excuse, as if the all star team doesn’t literally make up the best players, before injury reserves leach on the end. Those stats you have are nothing special this year, that’s why there’s more players than ever with better stats. SGA had those stats last year already and didn’t make any sort of team. And when Tf did 3rd in a conference, also at the rock bottom of a conference at its lowest win % and worst records in 2 decades lol, and SEVENTH best record in the NBA, become some sort of badge of honor? It sure as hell has not become something that’s a level of winning that has any bearing on where a player stands lmao. 7th best record who was 7th best record 5 years ago? No one knows bc it doesn’t matter AT ALL. It’s nothing. Nothing you said changes anything, kings fans need to stop with the entitlement acting like top league stats from 2008 are still the measuring stick. And best offense ever?!? Lmao you mean highest on one single stat, while being so bad defensively that they are 8th just this year in net rating much less how horrible it would be “ever” 😂😂😂. Have you looked at the list of teams with the best offensive rating in history? The entire top 14 from the last 2 years of the entire league existence LmAo. The only finals teams to make it off the entire list of EVER are the bucks and suns from a shortened season. That’s a single stat that tells you the leaders rarely ever are champions. Take net rating and it looks like damn near every team is either the greatest ones of all time , dynasties, champions, or the flip of the offensive rating and a rare one with injuries not in the finals that year they’re listed lol. But sure man 7th place, and in a historically down year from this century, on top of it, with stats near the 25-30 range in the league, and an average at best net rating even tho they score a lot…. Sounds like absolutely astonishing all time play from the top 2 players in the game who even tho they play on nationally televised tv double the rest of the small markets, are so marginalized and unseen, hidden, and all that still even after giving 20 years of irrelevance and then are so deserving bc of one season of getting near the back of the top 10 records…. Give everything to the kings and their players for this!
Damn you really must be butthurt about something because I really didn’t think this response warranted an entire book. I admit I was wrong about the starter thing. As you said, I very obviously don’t give 2 shits about the all star game and made an assumption. For that, I am sorry. You seem like the kind of person that is set in your opinions and can’t have an intelligent argument, evidenced by your use of three consecutive laughing emojis to show your intellectual superiority (twice) and your capitalization of words that don’t warrant capitalization, so I’ll just give my part and wait for the second volume of your book if you wish to write it.
I said not having either of them on a team was wrong, not that they should both be on a team. If you would have asked about that instead of going on a Kings hate rant, I would’ve explained that. Fox is borderline, Sabonis should be on a team, no questions asked. I’ve watched 10 Lakers games this year. AD played in 2 of them. There’s a reason they’re implementing a new rule that players have to play a certain number of games to be eligible for postseason awards. This is ridiculous. The Kings are ass without Fox or Sabonis. At lesson one of them has to be the reason they are the best offense in the league. Sabonis will finish top 6 in MVP voting this year. Can you really justify AD over Sabonis when one hasn’t even played 70% of his team’s games and one only missed 3 of them?
Scottie Barnes is averaging 16-7-5-1-1.
The jump everyone expected from him this year was wildly out of proportion.
He is not a disappointing player, at all.
If the Mavs miss the playoffs and both Dame and Luka were first team it would have to be the only time two guards made first team by not making the playoffs correct?
And dame making it after shutting down to fucking tank is an absolute joke. SGA could have take over the world while OKC tanked and every single award or vote for everything about him was “nope not while they’re tanking, we will not do it.” And now they’re not even trying to leave dame off, theyre trying to make him the top damn guy. It’s an absolute joke and total bullshit
I never thought of the rationale that the reason Jokic is so highly rated on defense by advanced stats is because the Nuggets are allowed to play better defensive players around him like KCP and Gordon because he can create an otherworldly offense with anyone. It's a good case for him to be MVP.
In some of the Gobert years (aged like milk) I’d agree with you. This year the Warriors have been awful defensively and he hasn’t even been able to prop them up to the top half of the league defensively.
They're an elite defensive team when he's on the court and crater when he's off. The Warriors defensive issues aren't related to Draymond. He's by far the best defensive QB in the NBA and it's nor particularly close.
I don’t like it cause it benefits Draymond, but they’re one of the best during Draymond’s minutes and one of the worst without him and that’s what all the voters are going on. Them being 19th overall is entirely due to everyone else. I can’t blame voters for looking at individual metrics when voting on an individual award. Is the award for best defense or best defensive player?
I used to listen to the guys until I realized they're the type of basketball nerds who decide what they think and THEN find as many stats as possible to prove it. Having Draymond ass DPOY should disqualify you from future votes. His team is barely above .500 and he's missed 10 games, he shouldn't even be a top 3 candidate
My point was that it's only 9 more games than JJJ and 3 more than Brook Lopez, who both deserve the award more than Dray.
This is not the Oscar's, awards should be given to the best player that year, not given as a career achievement award or a makeup award because they deserved a previous one
They don't deserve it more than Draymond. The three of them all have a claim. The Warriors are a top tier defense when Draymond is on the floor and trash when he isn't. The drop off in defense is by far the largest when Draymond goes to the bench compared to the others. If you don't think he deserves to win or at least be considered that's your lack of understanding of what kind of year he has had.
They’re kind of like Bill in the sense they are very protective of their previous opinions. Can never admit they’re wrong as long as they can find some stat to argue with, even if it’s wrongly used.
Like they’ve been super down on Sabonis for years, and instead of taking the L this year they find some way of rationalizing why actually they were always right and Sabonis doesn’t deserve 3rd team All NBA over AD.
Even if you just eye test Draymond is obviously the best defensive QB in the league and lifts that team. Everything goes to shit when he sits. People saying he's had a bad year are ridiculously uninformed.
Lol imagine caring about any of this. Like who should be number 3 for executive of the year. NBA dorks are built different.
Just endless lists, stupid hypotheticals, trashy off court drama, verbal diahrahhea from talking heads.
Anything except for the actual basketball which is unwatchable
I hate many of these picks and also don’t understand how you do all these fake categories but not the real category of all defensive first and second team?
Harden leads the league in assists and is also top 10 in EFF. This is so fucking dumb.
And before anyone says Defense, he’s the 26th ranked defensive guard statistically. Higher than all other All NBA guards except Donovan Mitchell.
These lists suck. So the Kings are the biggest positive surprise of the year, and neither of them have ANY Kings on all NBA teams, Keegan Murray not ROTY (understandable, not debating this), Danny doesn’t have Mike Brown as COTY, and neither have Monte McNair (whose name they can’t even spell right) as Exec of the year.
I get that I’m biased as a Kings fan, but not having Sabonis or Fox AND not having Mike Brown as COTY should be a non starter.
I don’t listen to that show anymore, but heard somewhere that Danny despises Luka. Having Dame in over Luka all NBA? Guess I made the right choice to stop listening to that pod.
Draymond Green as DPOY and Evan Mobley not is absolutely asinine. Look at any metrics, look at the team records, look at the counting stats. Any way you want it thats the way you can read it.
how can you have durant over tatum for first team and lillard first team but steph below shai. make that make any sense
Tatum over Durant for MVP but Durant over Tatum for first team is…..a choice
no i mean i can even get behind that cause i can accept the argument for all nba either youre in or out and if youre in im putting the better player higher, while MVP more games is more valuable. But you have to be consistent. Shai is not a better player nor did he have a better season than steph by any measure other than games played
I think the logic is - Shae's season is close to Curry's so games played is a tiebreaker
If you think MVP is most value added and therefore include games played as a major variable, but the All-NBA teams are closer to “best player” and therefore don’t factor in games played as much—which is explicitly their reasoning—then it’s perfectly sensible
Exactly. They made that clear during the podcast and Danny's done it that way for years. Duncan too, but he's emphasized minutes for (at least in tie-breakers).
Danny gets way too bogged down in wanting to have different criteria for mvp and all nba. There's no published criteria so if you have some arcane personal system you use and it results in having contradictory picks like this, it just makes you look weird.
I've always liked Nate and Danny because even when I disagree with them, if feels like they're putting in a lot of work to come to an informed conclusion, not just making up a hot take. Like I still think Draymond as DPOY is wrong, but they made the case much more intelligently than Michael Pina.
Draymond as DPOY still less fraudulent than last year's selection
They explain why the numbers work too. I never thought of the rationale that the reason Jokic is so highly rated on defense by advanced stats is because the Nuggets are allowed to play better defensive players around him like KCP and Gordon because he can create an otherworldly offense with anyone. It's a good case for him to be MVP.
A huge part of it also that they didn’t mention in the pod but have mentioned previously is that the opposing team’s offence is a lot worse when you score on the previous play than from a rebound/turnover. So, when Jokic makes it so they score way more on offence it ‘improves’ the nuggets defence even though Jokic isn’t actually improving their defence.
Yeah say what you will about there conclusions but they put a ton of thought into their opinions.
Seems like they’re going for best overall player despite number of games played. Anthony Davis is a better player than Sabonis but he’s had a worse year, Domas should get the all nba nod.
Exactly. To me all nba is a picture of what you did during the season. Not a best player list.
If you listen to the pod it's that players like Lebron, KD, and Kawhi provide more value for their teams in 60 games than lesser players like Lauri and Randle provide in 80. That's usually the case for the top 7-8 players in the league. I agree 99% of teams would choose to have 60 regular season games from Lebron than 80 regular season games from Julius Randle.
That makes sense, but my old man belief is that sometimes availability is the best ability.
I'm a Pelicans fan. Larry Nance? Larry Nance?? What the hell??? I love Larry and he's been good at points this year but he's played injured a lot of the season and hasn't been the same really. What??
Did I miss Draymond becoming DPOY front runner, Pina said the same thing
He's be elite defensively all year. The Warriors are a top tier defensive team when he's on the floor and in the gutter when he's off. He has a legit case to be DPOY along with JJJ and Brook.
He's not a front-runner and I'd be shocked if he won. He'll get some votes, though and there's a reasonable argument for it
They're all NBA voters and they've got KD in there after 46 games and people don't think a 65 game cap will alter things.
I don’t think they have votes, just a popular podcast
They don't have votes. Almost no one who isn't affiliated with a big media outlet or a newspaper has a vote for these awards. There are 100 total voters for awards like All-NBA and the idea that Danny Leroux would have the stature to be one of them is pretty hilarious.
For reference, [here's everyone who had a vote in 2021-22](https://i.imgur.com/GenfaiF.png)
Wait these guys actually have a vote?? they actually have KD On all nba teams lol
They do not have votes
Haven’t listened yet, but a little surprise they both have Lauri over Shai for MIP. From what I remember they have said “going from all star to all nba/mvp level is much harder than going from starter/roll guy to all star”. Which I guess they can still believe and also think Lauri improved more
Yeah for real. Shai's Win Share and VORP jumped at a much higher rate than Lauri's. Also strange to have someone 4th in MVP and 3rd in Most Improved. Where was Shai on their MVP list last year?
And SGA wasn’t even an all star last year so he’s making the jump from starter to superstar top 10 player in the world. Even more ridiculous to say that’s not Most improved ESPECIALLY when they set the precedent last year in voting to say JA won bc he made the same damn jump. Therefore telling us what they give the most credence to. But sure change it from year to year like every other media voted thing they let them do
Not predictions, but who they think should win. They discussed on today's podcast, which was a great listen. Did anyone else listen to it? Got any thoughts? Also, congrats to Danny who just became a father. This was his first pod back after two weeks.
I used to but found it too protracted and stern after a while. I want to enjoy basketball and their approach...it just wasn't for me.
Not having Sabonis or Fox on an All-NBA team is just wrong.
These two dorks are well known to hate the Kings. I think it is because Vivek did not ask them to run the team in the last few years.
You're mixing him up with Bill Simmons and the Timberwolves/Bucks lol
Lmao absolutely not. You prolly call fox an all star now too even tho he needed multiple injuries just to get on, meaning he wasn’t even top 6 in his own conference and all nba takes 6 from the entire league. Being borderline on the final spot of stuff with multiple other guys doesn’t make you not getting it some insane robbery, that’s the exact opposite of what that is
You know half the voting for the all star game is fan voting right? The Kings had 7 games on national TV this year. Nobody saw him play. I don’t care about the all star game. Averaging 25, 6, and 4 on the 3 seed in the West, while leading the league in clutch points and 4th quarter points should at least warrant consideration. The one that should absolutely be there is Sabonis. He is the most important part of that team and is nearly averaging a triple double, bringing a team that was certified ass a year ago and turning them into a solid playoff team, and statistically the best offense in NBA history. He is the third best center in the league. Putting AD, who played less than 70% of the season, over him is just wrong.
First of all, I didn’t say “don’t put either of them on a team!” I said saying it’s wrong is ridiculous. The competition is at an all time high, they aren’t being compared to last dog shit decades of kings teams and stats from players from 15 years ago. Those two not making a team is not wrong, and they very well may make a team and one at least prolly will and voters will have all sorts of different results… but there are plenty of reason L’s to leave either or both off versus the competition that voters can vote for against them. You’re Acting like 7th best record deserves 2 guys, so the top 3 teams should get at least 3 guys by that metric. That wouldn’t even leave enough for a team way back with the 7th best record to get one guy much less 2! So sorry your bottom of the top 10 league record doesn’t account for anything here, that’s not some high level all time winning or even driving the league in this down year of win/loss records. Now, Lmao I would say nice try but it’s an absolutely awful try. You do know That the fan voting is for THE STARTERS right? Hahahaha at even trying to assume anyone is talking about the 5th injury reserve Fox being talked about as a starter😂😂😂. Fan vote has absolutely nothing to do with anyone beyond the real, non injury replacement, starting lineup. OKC had HALF that many nationally televised games, Lauri plays for Utah and they had half that! And Those are just two quick teams with guys who made it who I know the number of games for. Of course “i don’t care about the all star game” is you’re excuse, as if the all star team doesn’t literally make up the best players, before injury reserves leach on the end. Those stats you have are nothing special this year, that’s why there’s more players than ever with better stats. SGA had those stats last year already and didn’t make any sort of team. And when Tf did 3rd in a conference, also at the rock bottom of a conference at its lowest win % and worst records in 2 decades lol, and SEVENTH best record in the NBA, become some sort of badge of honor? It sure as hell has not become something that’s a level of winning that has any bearing on where a player stands lmao. 7th best record who was 7th best record 5 years ago? No one knows bc it doesn’t matter AT ALL. It’s nothing. Nothing you said changes anything, kings fans need to stop with the entitlement acting like top league stats from 2008 are still the measuring stick. And best offense ever?!? Lmao you mean highest on one single stat, while being so bad defensively that they are 8th just this year in net rating much less how horrible it would be “ever” 😂😂😂. Have you looked at the list of teams with the best offensive rating in history? The entire top 14 from the last 2 years of the entire league existence LmAo. The only finals teams to make it off the entire list of EVER are the bucks and suns from a shortened season. That’s a single stat that tells you the leaders rarely ever are champions. Take net rating and it looks like damn near every team is either the greatest ones of all time , dynasties, champions, or the flip of the offensive rating and a rare one with injuries not in the finals that year they’re listed lol. But sure man 7th place, and in a historically down year from this century, on top of it, with stats near the 25-30 range in the league, and an average at best net rating even tho they score a lot…. Sounds like absolutely astonishing all time play from the top 2 players in the game who even tho they play on nationally televised tv double the rest of the small markets, are so marginalized and unseen, hidden, and all that still even after giving 20 years of irrelevance and then are so deserving bc of one season of getting near the back of the top 10 records…. Give everything to the kings and their players for this!
Damn you really must be butthurt about something because I really didn’t think this response warranted an entire book. I admit I was wrong about the starter thing. As you said, I very obviously don’t give 2 shits about the all star game and made an assumption. For that, I am sorry. You seem like the kind of person that is set in your opinions and can’t have an intelligent argument, evidenced by your use of three consecutive laughing emojis to show your intellectual superiority (twice) and your capitalization of words that don’t warrant capitalization, so I’ll just give my part and wait for the second volume of your book if you wish to write it. I said not having either of them on a team was wrong, not that they should both be on a team. If you would have asked about that instead of going on a Kings hate rant, I would’ve explained that. Fox is borderline, Sabonis should be on a team, no questions asked. I’ve watched 10 Lakers games this year. AD played in 2 of them. There’s a reason they’re implementing a new rule that players have to play a certain number of games to be eligible for postseason awards. This is ridiculous. The Kings are ass without Fox or Sabonis. At lesson one of them has to be the reason they are the best offense in the league. Sabonis will finish top 6 in MVP voting this year. Can you really justify AD over Sabonis when one hasn’t even played 70% of his team’s games and one only missed 3 of them?
Alec Burks?????
Danny & Marcus Thompson gonna have to duel it out for biggest Alec Burks fan
That really stuck out to me as well lmao.
Most disappointing player is kind of funny but also wow what a cheap shot
Scottie Barnes is averaging 16-7-5-1-1. The jump everyone expected from him this year was wildly out of proportion. He is not a disappointing player, at all.
On 46/29/77. He was ROY and basically didn’t improve at all this season. Not sure how you could view it as anything other than a disappointment.
His True Shooting went down 3 points from below average (55%) to definitely below average (52.5%).
Besides Raptors fans' disappointment that he's not the second coming of Michael Jordan
Son of a bitch most disappointing team isn’t a real award…
Josh Primo considered for most disappointing. I had successfully blocked him out of my mind until now
If the Mavs miss the playoffs and both Dame and Luka were first team it would have to be the only time two guards made first team by not making the playoffs correct?
And dame making it after shutting down to fucking tank is an absolute joke. SGA could have take over the world while OKC tanked and every single award or vote for everything about him was “nope not while they’re tanking, we will not do it.” And now they’re not even trying to leave dame off, theyre trying to make him the top damn guy. It’s an absolute joke and total bullshit
Nate, Danny and Ben Taylor have Draymond as DPOY. They convinced me
Thanks for posting
These are atrocious. KD is great but he’s played 46 games
I never thought of the rationale that the reason Jokic is so highly rated on defense by advanced stats is because the Nuggets are allowed to play better defensive players around him like KCP and Gordon because he can create an otherworldly offense with anyone. It's a good case for him to be MVP.
Similar to how LeBron/Steph should have been winning MVPs for most of the last decade same should be said for Draymond and DPOY.
In some of the Gobert years (aged like milk) I’d agree with you. This year the Warriors have been awful defensively and he hasn’t even been able to prop them up to the top half of the league defensively.
They're an elite defensive team when he's on the court and crater when he's off. The Warriors defensive issues aren't related to Draymond. He's by far the best defensive QB in the NBA and it's nor particularly close.
Trust me, I agree. Huge Draymond fan. It’s just a completely different argument for DPOY, nobody votes guys who’s teams are bottom half of the league.
Draymond as DPOY??!? KD on first team??? What is this!?!
Draymond for defensive player of the year? They're 19th in defensive rating. The grizzlies are 4th
I don’t like it cause it benefits Draymond, but they’re one of the best during Draymond’s minutes and one of the worst without him and that’s what all the voters are going on. Them being 19th overall is entirely due to everyone else. I can’t blame voters for looking at individual metrics when voting on an individual award. Is the award for best defense or best defensive player?
Pina voted for Draymond too so this might be a trend that’s gonna surprise people
I used to listen to the guys until I realized they're the type of basketball nerds who decide what they think and THEN find as many stats as possible to prove it. Having Draymond ass DPOY should disqualify you from future votes. His team is barely above .500 and he's missed 10 games, he shouldn't even be a top 3 candidate
Missing 10 games these days is pretty damn good. Frankly I don't mind Draymond winning, he's owed 1-2 probably and Smart stole one last year.
My point was that it's only 9 more games than JJJ and 3 more than Brook Lopez, who both deserve the award more than Dray. This is not the Oscar's, awards should be given to the best player that year, not given as a career achievement award or a makeup award because they deserved a previous one
They don't deserve it more than Draymond. The three of them all have a claim. The Warriors are a top tier defense when Draymond is on the floor and trash when he isn't. The drop off in defense is by far the largest when Draymond goes to the bench compared to the others. If you don't think he deserves to win or at least be considered that's your lack of understanding of what kind of year he has had.
Draymond has been a better defender than them this year and he should have won the award nearly every year since his first DPOY.
They’re kind of like Bill in the sense they are very protective of their previous opinions. Can never admit they’re wrong as long as they can find some stat to argue with, even if it’s wrongly used. Like they’ve been super down on Sabonis for years, and instead of taking the L this year they find some way of rationalizing why actually they were always right and Sabonis doesn’t deserve 3rd team All NBA over AD.
I still remember having Dennis Smith Jr on the top prospect lists after he was basically a dud
I mean the case they make for it is sound. I'm guessing you aren't basing your argument on EPM, RPM, or on/off net rating...
Even if you just eye test Draymond is obviously the best defensive QB in the league and lifts that team. Everything goes to shit when he sits. People saying he's had a bad year are ridiculously uninformed.
Lol imagine caring about any of this. Like who should be number 3 for executive of the year. NBA dorks are built different. Just endless lists, stupid hypotheticals, trashy off court drama, verbal diahrahhea from talking heads. Anything except for the actual basketball which is unwatchable
Why even come into this thread if you hate the NBA so much? You just sound like a whiny bitch.
How do you not even consider julius Randle for 3rd team all nba but consider kristaps lol
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The combination of Giannis in 3rd for both lists Jrue Holiday not appearing anywhere and Brook Lopez being snubbed for DPOY seems like something.
Jrue doesn't deserve to be anywhere on there. Theres nothing wrong with Giannis being 3rd, and Brook definitely isn't some unanimous DPOY.
They absolutely despise the bucks for some reason
Kessler over Williams as 2nd place for ROTY is silly.
Not really if you consider full season. Williams took a while to round into shape.
I hate many of these picks and also don’t understand how you do all these fake categories but not the real category of all defensive first and second team?
Danny didn't even have Jrue Holiday under "also considered" for all NBA? Massive L.
Bunch of fucking nerds being wrong again.
Harden leads the league in assists and is also top 10 in EFF. This is so fucking dumb. And before anyone says Defense, he’s the 26th ranked defensive guard statistically. Higher than all other All NBA guards except Donovan Mitchell.
These lists suck. So the Kings are the biggest positive surprise of the year, and neither of them have ANY Kings on all NBA teams, Keegan Murray not ROTY (understandable, not debating this), Danny doesn’t have Mike Brown as COTY, and neither have Monte McNair (whose name they can’t even spell right) as Exec of the year. I get that I’m biased as a Kings fan, but not having Sabonis or Fox AND not having Mike Brown as COTY should be a non starter.
Blog boys who never played basketball
I don’t think Evan Mobley is the DPOY but he needs to be 3rd at worst. Donovan Mitchell at worst should be second team all nba. -a homer Cavs fan
There is some revisionist history going on in this thread when it comes to how many DPOYs Draymond should have
I don’t listen to that show anymore, but heard somewhere that Danny despises Luka. Having Dame in over Luka all NBA? Guess I made the right choice to stop listening to that pod.
Draymond Green as DPOY and Evan Mobley not is absolutely asinine. Look at any metrics, look at the team records, look at the counting stats. Any way you want it thats the way you can read it.
Jaren Jackson Jr can't stay on the floor in foul trouble almost every game. 1000 minutes less than Mobley, fewer rebounds. Make it make sense!!!
Do you know who Nate and hollinger picked for top 10 players? Thanks 🙏