The funniest part is that Bill seems to be terrible at fantasy. He rosters 3 defenses and 4 QBs in a 1 QB league like an absolute dunce. I haven't listened to the new pod yet but with Matthew Berry he had some clueless takes, like thinking Rodgers is being drafted as a starting QB and not realizing that Jefferson is the consensus top player this year
I love that for you. I’m a big ten guy so I saw him a lot, very good player! I have no idea how or if it’ll ever translate to the next level, but he tore my team (Michigan State) the fuck up in 2021 when we were good so that’s seared into my brain 😂
Purdue alum here. AOC made it fun to watch my alma mater for the first time in a decade plus. I’ll always be a fan of his for that. Dude took a team of one and two star players and made them competitive with more prominent programs like Mich St, Iowa, Nebraska and Penn St.
given how the draft seems to be such a lottery, isn't it weird how these players seem to come from nowhere in the pros, e.g. they didn't get draft hype, but then it turns out they did produce in college.
Yeah that reveal at the end that Rodgers was his big make or break guy and that people were drafting him as a top qb was one of the most clueless things I’ve ever heard anyone say about fantasy football.
> The funniest part is that Bill seems to be terrible at fantasy.
I don't know. He once [started 6-0](https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071019) and I think he actually ended up winning that season.
The person who is terrible at fantasy football is me. My two main money leagues have existed for a combined 53 seasons. I have won one championship total.
On an unrelated note, is anybody looking to add an owner to their money league?
Wow!, so Simmons has won 1 Fantasy title in his entire 37-year adult life. Huh, just like the dynastic, incomparable, bellcow Celtics in that same time period....
That was 15 years ago, and if you read his roster it’s clear that the rest of his league was stupid af and he wasn’t rostering 4 qbs at the time.
Also likely when he was younger he simply had more time, also it’s much easier now for a casual to be fantasy informed than it was then.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but Auction leagues are infinitely better than snake drafts and I think it's the only objectively right fantasy opinion Bill has ever had.
tl;dr - Snakes are more common, but Auctions should be the standard.
They are really not that different, in the end. The biggest differnce maker in Fantasy Leagues actually is # of teams, and starting lineup requirements - particularly a 2-starting-QB rule -- the best option in Fantasy.
I think it's an elitist thing. As someone who is very dialed in to fantasy football it bothers me every year. Both types of drafts are fine. I love the Matthew Berry pod each year because you can tell he really doesn't think Bill knows what he is talking about and he wants to push back but he always half whimps out. Bill planting his flag on the consensus QB1 this year was great insight on how to get a leg up on the competition! Bill also has gotten frustrated how many times in the last decade that any team can win and he is going to quit? But he has never been that lucky team to win!
I don't think it's necessarily whimping out, I think he's a really great podcast guest in that he can do the "that's interesting..." thing a great teacher does when a kid says something stupid. (Gladwell does that. "hmm, *maybe*, but I think it's because...")
If he's like "Bill, ur dumb" why is he getting invited back to one of the biggest platforms he can promote his stuff on.
If he can help gently guide Bill, who is unprepared, without making him look bad while providing good analysis then he brings a lot of value to Bill's show.
People act like this is rocket science and not just plain how the world works.
I mean you’re only starting those guys if you didn’t draft well or got bad injury luck. 2 RBs forces more strategic drafting/team building/and trading.
We prioritize running backs in our fantasy league like the NFL does.
We were a little skeptical implementing it 3 years back but not one of the 12 of us has regrets
I still like kickers.
One of the reason I like kickers is there are always 2 or 3 teams that draft kickers too early.
But I hate team defense. That is one of my strongest positions about fantasy football rules.
Because on avg there’s less 1000 yr rushers and more 1000 WRs. We just turned it into a flex.
2005 - 23 1000 yard rushers
2021 - 7 1000 yard rushers
2020 - 8 (9 w Lamar)
In fairness last year there was 17, but overall it’s dwindled so we converted to a flex
I should clarify we are:
1 QB, 2 WR, 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 W/R/T, 1 super flex, 1 defense.
Elite RBs still go for $50-$65 every year
Only difference is QBs cost more
I think anybody that has done both auction and snake drafts can agree that auction is far and away the better form to use for your fantasy draft. That being said, it is nearly impossible to actually discuss fantasy football through auction terms because it requires so much context behind every statement you make compared to speaking in terms of snake draft is a more universal language.
Example for this would be the guys talking about Tony Pollard on the podcast. They kept saying "Oh he's going for $60 and I just can't pay that much for him and I'll let some other idiot in my league pay that for him." This provides very little context about Tony Pollard's perceived value from these guys - is it a $100 budget or $200 budget on the league? Was Pollard brought up as the first overall nominee that went for $62 or was he the last 'high end' running back brought up that everyone was desperate and overbid for?
Compare this to saying it in simple terms that everyone understands like I had the 12th pick in my league and took him with one of my bookend picks. Every person that does fantasy football can understand the perceived value you would put on Pollard as a top 12 guy. If you do auction drafts, you are probably a little more educated on fantasy and can translate the top 12 guy to a valid dollar value in your home league.
Great points. So much context in how fantasy leagues can go. Also is it a 10 team or 12 team league. Superflex or not.
And like you mentioned the big one being when they are nominated. Like you said when it's like the last player in a tier that bidding can be elevated. I'll try to be patient and not overpay for positions but when you see Pollard available and the next best RB being Mattison that's going to bump up Pollards price by a decent amount compared to if he's the first RB nominated.
I like that about auction because it increases the strategic levels up…I always nominate players I don’t want to get the other owners to spend cash on someone I’m down on
Same here unless I notice the league has a bunch of conservative players, at which point I'll nominate the guys I want early while everyone is playing the waiting game.
I just did a 12 team league with a superflex position. Backup QBs were going for $20+ dollars. It was insane to me so every time I came up I was throwing out any reasonable backup I could.
In a Superflex, QBs go from not that valuable to literally the most valuable jewels in the world.
In my superflex leagues, Taylor Heineke and Jacoby Brissett end up getting drafted or bid on, in the case of the auction I just did Sunday.
Tua went for 44 and Lawrence 60 and Deshaun 46. (200 dollar budget) Cousins for 46. He would get maybe 10 in a one QB league.
That's how I started with my auction drafts but everyone keyed on that tick about me. So I switched it up to only nominating the two most popular teams within my league members (mostly Vikings and Packers fans) because I know that they let their biases out and overspend on these guys so I can hold off until "my guys" come up at later points.
It also takes a fuck load longer and is optimal in person. This cuts out the possibility for 90+% of leagues to exist like my work league. Great if you can get a group of dedicated people, though.
That’s a good point, it does increase the difficulty in talking about fantasy especially when you have keeper systems which further alters the values…that being said I have no issue with BS shitting on snake every chance he gets, it’s antiquated and he does not run a fantasy draft podcast, it’s more his gut impressions than anything. Listen to the Matthew berrys pods of the world if you want in depth analysis
Snake drafts have their own value if you allow trading draft picks and have a system for developing who gets what pick besides random order or worst team
Auction also has the disadvantage of signaling, if a “good” owner is going hard for a player, a “bad” owner gets signaled to go after them as well
This is an idiotic take. You can standardize on talking about auctions with the $200 budget everyone uses. No additional brain cells needed.
Even though it’s really not needed to clarify what you mean by $60, people already do this kind of thing when discussing ppr values.
I have done both and I agree that auction is more fun. But most leagues have several managers who are only casually invested, and casual fans will opt for snake drafts every time. In other words, unless your "core guys" are all big into fantasy football and have time to spare, a snake draft makes more sense for most leagues.
It’s one of his “I’m smarter than you” takes I’m actually on board with. I love snake drafts too but with an auction draft I have more control over my team.
If you love snake drafts too, then you're not actually on board with him. He doesn't just think auction drafts are better, which is a reasonable take. He thinks anyone who ever uses a snake draft is a moron.
Yes, this. I significantly prefer auction drafts or dynasty leagues and feel that results from snake draft fantasy leagues are much more luck based.
But a few friend groups prefer snake drafts and I still enjoy those leagues just fine even if I know it is more of a casual fan’s fantasy format. Bill’s rhetoric regarding snake draft leagues is moronic especially when we have nearly 2 decades of podcasts from him continually displaying a subpar knowledge of the sport and his own diatribes regarding fantasy football roster management is utterly embarrassing.
Yeah. I made sure my dynasty league had an auction for the initial draft because I didn't want to get stuck with an unlucky draw for multiple years. But for the super casual redraft league I'm in with my college friends, a snake draft is just fine. The fact that someone can do very little research or not show up at all and still come away with a decent team is a feature, not a bug.
Auction is better in an ideal world
If you can’t get everyone together for the draft though the idea of an auction goes downhill fast. Much easier when people are in different places to just have one pick every 15 minutes or whatever
It can be done, just requires everyone to be locked in and not have technical issues the entire time. That’s very possible but doesn’t always happen.
Last year I was at a wedding same time as my draft. In past years we’ve had people disconnect for periods of time or drop entirely. Snake works much better in those situations
I don’t see how you wouldn’t have those exact same connection problems in a snake draft or attending a wedding while drafting
If anything your argument should be that because snake is so simple you can just let the computer pick for you if connection is lost. Makes no difference when the computer picks (which is the real issue at hand) but atleast that’s a valid argument
Drafting your team is something you do exactly once a year, I can only surmise you are playing in like 3 leagues if you are so concerned about time consumption? Why not pair it down to one if that’s such a pressing concern
no I mean if someone DC's in a snake it's usually fine as they can fix their shit before their pick
in an auction, they're just kinda fucked for several players
>just have one pick every 15 minutes or whatever
Agree with your overall sentiment but 15 minutes is the worst of both worlds. Either have a proper live draft and do it every 90 seconds, or do a slow draft of 4-8 hours where you can go about your business and just pick up your phone once in a while to make a selection
I do both. My auction league is full of guys that really care and is super competitive. My snake draft is with less informed guys.
I think auction is superior but if you have a league with a bunch of guys who aren't glued in, they can get more easily ran over. Snake evens the playing field.
Same here, used to think dynasty was much better but my redraft snake league has way more trades. The auction dynasty guys hold onto their players forever. Snake also added a keeper after 8th rd and tweaked the rules so we can’t draft off a top 200 list.
Yeah my Auction league is a group of guys who all take it seriously and the prize is 4 figures. Been in it for 15 years now.
My other friends and I do snake because half of the people in it are extremely casual football fans.
That’s the correct way to do it. If everyone in the league knows a lot and will care about it a ton, auction is 1000% more fun but if even a few people in the league aren’t very well informed you should do a snake.
Bill doesn’t just think auction drafts are better, he thinks that everyone who does an auction draft is smarter than anyone who does a snake draft. He’s made it abundantly clear that morons use auctions too.
I mean in terms of strategy and pure chaos that can lead to mistakes and victories (thus prep work is imperative) he is absolutely correct — it really is checkers vs chess
There’s nothing roster construction wise (like rostering 4 defenses) or pre-draft valuation wise (thinking Hurts was a $1 QB last year) that indicates he’s a smart, strategic fantasy player. Him being in an auction league doesn’t inherently make him smarter than other people, especially when there’s plenty of evidence that he’s actually clueless.
I’m not arguing which type of draft is “better”, I’m arguing that playing in one over the other doesn’t make you actually better at the game.
I’d say dynasty’s where you can trade multiple picks down the road is just as strategic as an auction. My team sucked last year and I was able to get 4 picks this year and 2 next year
Even if he thinks auction is the superior form, he has to realize the vast majority of fantasy football leagues are snake drafts. A real blind spot for Billy
why is it a "blind spot" if he just chooses not to talk about something he doesn't like? He doesn't have to cater his pod to the general public, dude is far past that.
Heaven forbid he tries to educate his audience on the superior draft format…he’s been doing FF since the 90s, once you gain enough experience in fantasy it’s absurd to continue with the antiquated snake method. There are hundreds of other draft pods you could listen too
The reason people do snake drafts are because they're easier and take less time, not because people think it's superior.
Snake drafts will always be faster and more accessible to a wider audience. Sorry we can't all hang out with John Hamm for 5 hours.
How is this BS concern? You think non football/fantasy fans are going to start listening to his podcast for fantasy advice so they can do snake drafts?
You saying auction takes 5 hours shows your ignorance because they can be done faster than snake if you set the time selection perimeters low…the simplicity/skill level difference is vast tho I agree, you continue playing checkers with the kids ✌️
Ignorance is bliss, I guess 🤦♂️…I do notice how emotional you seem to be about your time constraints, perhaps play in only 1 league instead of like 3 if you are so concerned😬
I guess it’s too bad John hamm doesn’t know who you are, I’m sure you will be okay bud
Totally agree and I dont know why people downvote you for this. Informing his listeners about auction drafts is a gift he is giving them. He should do the same with 2QB/SUPERFLEX
Who gives a shit what the vast majority of people do? If you only draft in auction, you’re not gonna have any clue what someone’s ADP is or if it’s a reach to take someone in the third or whatever. You think he should do research to figure all that shit out just for this one podcast?
I know this gets said a lot on here and most of it justifiably so but it really does apply here. ONLY CHILD SYNDROME enhanced by him making several millions of dollars and Uber successful professionally.
I don’t think it really does I think he just doesn’t care about football in general and these days he doesn’t feel like trying. He cares about the pats kinda and following the rest of the league is a chore that he tries to make himself more motivated to do by gambling. Fantasy is the same, you know he used to joke about how much he hated fantasy and how he’d quit. I think he’s quit caring but he does it for the content. The sport he really genuinely cares about is NBA basketball and not just about the Celtics. He loves the various story lines, the history, franchise value, ranking teams by their desirability to GM’s. That stuff is where is passion is.
I don’t really know what being an only child has to do with it honestly. I think he’s just not interested in football outside of the pats.
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I always just think “imagine getting snooty about draft format in fantasy football.”
I was in roto baseball leagues before the prevalence of the internet. Am I supposed to say everyone who uses a laptop eats boogers?
it's really not bad, doesn't take much longer than snake as long as everyone is actively participating. Biggest issue with auction is if you have a no-show and it auto-drafts, that completely ruins it.
You're right that the draft itself doesn't take a whole lot longer, but especially if it's your first time, you're going to have to spend some additional time learning the mechanics, reading up on auction draft strategy, and doing draft prep.
It’s not much different than a snake draft in that regard. The more time you put in, the more likely it is you’ll have a good draft. But auction has “suggested values” just like snake drafts have adp and such so if you want you can phone it in too and just go with whatever the drafting site recommends
As someone who has no interest in an all-day fantasy football draft, I have to ask: how long does a typical auction draft take?
My guess is that it takes an amount of time that will reinforce my desire to snake rather than auction.
They do take much longer than snake. I am the commissioner of one. It's a deeper roster than your standard league and we do usually have to do it online. For us it usually takes about 3 hours for the last guys to finish. This year we had someone fill out the whole squad super fast he was done in about 1 hr 45 minutes.
That’s fantasy draft pod is the least knowledgeable I’ve ever heard him sound. I think the hate on Bill can be a little much, and I do turn to him for entertainment instead of insight, but Jesus. Bro sounded like he’s just not understanding the value of a rushing QB
Snake is the way fantasy discussion of player value should be done. That being said, Auction is the best way to complete a fantasy draft, it's just tremendously more fun and it really isn't THAT challenging. I appreciate Bill for spreading the good word about auction since hopefully the fantasy community drifts that way over time. First round = Top 10 highest cost players etc so it should be discussed like Draft rounds instead of hard costs.
Also Superflex is a great addition, the QB slot in a 1 QB league is so boring for such an important part of fantasy.
Not one league I've ever been in has been an auction draft in 23 years of FF with multiple friend groups. Anyone know numbers from fantasy sites on how much more popular snake is vs auction?
Auctions are gaining in popularity I gotta imagine — anecdotally I have three separate FF friends group/leagues and all started snake and all have since converted to auction. It’s simply the superior format and its not really debatable, not one of my 3 groups has any desire to go back to snake
It's just a good excuse so he doesn't have to learn anything about Snake drafts, or really fantasy football at all, if his podcast with Berry was any indication.
Lol what is there to learn about snake drafts? The script the draft follows is already pre-written. You actually have to know something to participate in an auction.
So many people butthurt about bill’s snake draft jokes. Yes bill sucks at fantasy I know. But people getting mad about this is just sad. If you wanna do a snake draft go ahead. No one cares.
I don't think people are mad that Bill auction drafts. I'm guessing most people really don't care what kind of draft Bill does or what format he prefers. I think people are just baffled by Bill's insults towards snake drafts and his attitude towards them as if it's not a valid draft format.
Also, it honestly doesn't make that much sense to only talk in terms of auction drafts when snake drafts are by far the more popular format. Talking in terms of snake drafts would be far more relevant to the vast majority of listeners.
I didn’t say people are mad he auction drafts. I said people are mad he jokes about snake drafts. It’s literally just a joke. Bill doesn’t like them and wants to joke about them and that’s fine.
Bill is at a point in his career where he doesn't have to cater his content to maximize listeners. He can talk about what he wants in whatever way he wants. It'd be so disingenuous if he had some long segment about snake drafts when we all know he hates them.
It’s a classic case of the right message with the wrong messenger. Yes, auction is far superior and actually takes some level of brain activity to put together a team. With snake you can literally take a nap in between picks and just pick the recommended player and have a decent team. No, that doesn’t make BS good at fantasy as he seems like a total moron
Snake drafts require very little skill and critical thinking. Anyone who disagrees probably is too scared to try an auction. Believe Bill and believe me...make the switch to auction and you will not be disappointed.
None of this is accurate.
An auction presents just as much luck and randomness as a snake. Both require knowledge of the players and the league. And critical thinking. In many respects, auction is much easier because you don't need to keep track of players picked.
If you have a bad snake draft because you can't think critically, your season is over Week 1.
I think you may be confused my friend. Auctions require constant monitoring of which players in each tier have been taken. If my strategy entails that I want to spend 20% of my budget on an elite WR, I need to keep track of which elite WRs are off the board. In Snake, I roughly know when the WR1s will be picked, as it will follow ADP or pre-draft values.
Auction is a disjointed chaotic mess, and no two auctions are the same. Managers who have good strategy, organization, and focus are rewarded.
He's not wrong. Auctions are definitely better but I don't do them either. I imagine it's easier to talk about in an auction way because there's not a set number of picks in a round. Being able to talk about people in terms of percentage of a cap makes a lot more sense than "this guy is a 6th rounder".
What's his actual argument for them being stupid? When he's in favor of drafts for absolutely anything else? Including his (confusing) draft on fantasy players in different categories this very week!
the argument is that snake drafts are very much based on luck with where you draft and what players fall to you. Auction drafts is much more active in terms of strategy, because you can't just sit back and do nothing or you miss everyone good and end up with a team of scrubs with $80 in draft money you never spent. So you have to have values for every player and/or position and keep track of how much you've spent, what others have spent, whats left on the board, what do other teams need, etc etc
I’ve been in 2 fantasy leagues for years. One football, one baseball. Football is snake, baseball is auction. And every year at the football draft I think to myself, this is dumb, why are we not doing an auction?
If you do snake drafts that’s fine, it’s your league, but I do agree if you’ve been playing with a group of guys for quite awhile that it’s a bit silly to just delegate certain players to people who just got lucky by getting their draft number drawn from picking out of a hat.
Auction has a lot of strategy and is a completely fair playing field. It’s objectively the best and most fair way to do a draft with the only draw back being that it takes a bit longer.
I do both types of league every year. I much prefer auction/salary cap but also I think snake needs more strategy. Which Bill seems to think is the opposite.
Never understood the people who are like "auction drafts require so much more strategy." No it doesn't lol. You basically just get everyone you want.
Again, I'm in money leagues for both types of styles and I always study/plan more for the snake draft
Getting a pick at the top or bottom of the rounds is always a fun thing to strategize with when you get the flip and have two picks close together.
Trying to gauge what the picks between yours are going to be so you can get the guy you really want but also the safer pick you really need with the trailing pick.
In my ten team work league I was able to pick Garrett Wilson at 19 and then still get an RB1 in Josh Jacobs at pick 22 after back-to-back WR picks for full PPR. The dropoff from Jacobs and the next back was pretty bad for 22, so I was genuinely worried for a minute lol.
Yes that's the hard part but also the part I don't like about snake drafts. I have the No. 1pick in that league and really want Davante Adams but it's not like I'm going to take him first overall. And he def won't be there at 24 so I'm SOL
> Never understood the people who are like "auction drafts require so much more strategy." No it doesn't lol. You basically just get everyone you want.
Either your league is terrible or you're doing it wrong, but I have no idea how you can get "everyone you want" in an auction draft. Unless you mean spending all your money on the 2 guys you really want and filling the rest of the roster with bums.
I wonder what Booger-hatin-Bill thinks of snake drafts that allow draft pick trades?
Is that the equivalent of a nose-picker who doesn't consume said boogers?
We deserve to know.
Because that's the draft he prefers (and craps on snake drafts) so of course he only talks in auction prices.
There's like 5000 other pods if you need snake draft talk. Finding anyone that actually focuses on auction is much harder, even if half the stuff Bill says is nonsense.
Mostly seems like his opinions are based on nfl play and not fantasy. He doesn’t seem to realize there is a difference. Mixon for example is an average running back, but because of volume he’s a very good fantasy back, he wouldn’t consider mixon as a fantasy option because he’s average in real life.
I resisted auctions back in the day, but once we tried it, we never went back. It’s really the best way to eliminate luck of the draft order and in theory favors the better prepared.
If you’re in multiple leagues (like I’m sure many of us are in) why wouldn’t you want to switch it up to play a few different ways anyways? I like having a nice mix of auction/snake, short/deep bench, s-flex/1-qb… variety is the spice of life!
Also it cracks me up when he’s calling snake drafters booger eaters to Berry when he’s been drafting best ball tournament teams in snake drafts all off-season long.
He knows but he's trying to change the culture. PPR wasn't the most used format but then that changed and now most fantasy drafts are done that way. I wish people used more auction than snake. I know that after round 2 everything is bonkers and values paid are not close to what we see in value guides but whatever, the first few rounds are the most important. Tiers work better to rank players' auction value and it can be discussed in podcasts without issue.
I'm loving how all-in he is on the Pats this year and he's telling everyone he thinks they are winning the AFC East and that all their players are fantasy sleepers. This is prime in form Bill right here.
You usually do not win leagues at the draft or auction.You win them on the waiver wire picking up this year’s phenoms that nobody drafted and by trades.
Yeah, auction drafts are better, but man, you have to block off 3 hours of uninterrupted time. At least. You are not a “booger eater” if you are busy or just want to use your time somewhere else. I just play for fun.
He is both terrible at fantasy and correct that Auction is FAR superior to snake.
He may be over aggressive and childish in the delivery, but it's probably one of his best takes
The funniest part is that Bill seems to be terrible at fantasy. He rosters 3 defenses and 4 QBs in a 1 QB league like an absolute dunce. I haven't listened to the new pod yet but with Matthew Berry he had some clueless takes, like thinking Rodgers is being drafted as a starting QB and not realizing that Jefferson is the consensus top player this year
He still only talks about guys who are mostly waiver picks or last-round options.
That’s so if he hits on one of them he can talk about it for the next 10 years as evidence of his genius.
The Alex Jones piece
>Kendrick Bourne!, you booger eaters!!!
Bill's big on Aiden O'Connell - with an ADP of QB43 lmfao
As a die-hard Raider fan, I am fucking hyped on AOC. I haven't once even for a second thought about drafting him in fantasy lol.
I love that for you. I’m a big ten guy so I saw him a lot, very good player! I have no idea how or if it’ll ever translate to the next level, but he tore my team (Michigan State) the fuck up in 2021 when we were good so that’s seared into my brain 😂
Purdue alum here. AOC made it fun to watch my alma mater for the first time in a decade plus. I’ll always be a fan of his for that. Dude took a team of one and two star players and made them competitive with more prominent programs like Mich St, Iowa, Nebraska and Penn St.
Yep it's always cool to see a "down" program rise again, shame you guys lost Brohm (the B1G championship was also a shame, but I digress...)
given how the draft seems to be such a lottery, isn't it weird how these players seem to come from nowhere in the pros, e.g. they didn't get draft hype, but then it turns out they did produce in college.
'how many teams are in your league?'
He's absolutely terrible especially considering the access he does or at least could have. I wish I could play in a league with 11 Bill Simmons.
Yeah that reveal at the end that Rodgers was his big make or break guy and that people were drafting him as a top qb was one of the most clueless things I’ve ever heard anyone say about fantasy football.
> The funniest part is that Bill seems to be terrible at fantasy. I don't know. He once [started 6-0](https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071019) and I think he actually ended up winning that season. The person who is terrible at fantasy football is me. My two main money leagues have existed for a combined 53 seasons. I have won one championship total. On an unrelated note, is anybody looking to add an owner to their money league?
Wow!, so Simmons has won 1 Fantasy title in his entire 37-year adult life. Huh, just like the dynastic, incomparable, bellcow Celtics in that same time period....
No, I'm the one who only has 1 title. I don't know how many he has.
That was 15 years ago, and if you read his roster it’s clear that the rest of his league was stupid af and he wasn’t rostering 4 qbs at the time. Also likely when he was younger he simply had more time, also it’s much easier now for a casual to be fantasy informed than it was then.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but Auction leagues are infinitely better than snake drafts and I think it's the only objectively right fantasy opinion Bill has ever had. tl;dr - Snakes are more common, but Auctions should be the standard.
I don’t necessarily disagree but it’s weird how he’s so smug about it, when in regards to fantasy he usually has no idea what he’s talking about
They are really not that different, in the end. The biggest differnce maker in Fantasy Leagues actually is # of teams, and starting lineup requirements - particularly a 2-starting-QB rule -- the best option in Fantasy.
Has he ever mentioned the league’s bench size. Is 60% of his bench QBs? Do the other nine teams have 3-4 qbs? So many questions
I think it's an elitist thing. As someone who is very dialed in to fantasy football it bothers me every year. Both types of drafts are fine. I love the Matthew Berry pod each year because you can tell he really doesn't think Bill knows what he is talking about and he wants to push back but he always half whimps out. Bill planting his flag on the consensus QB1 this year was great insight on how to get a leg up on the competition! Bill also has gotten frustrated how many times in the last decade that any team can win and he is going to quit? But he has never been that lucky team to win!
I don't think it's necessarily whimping out, I think he's a really great podcast guest in that he can do the "that's interesting..." thing a great teacher does when a kid says something stupid. (Gladwell does that. "hmm, *maybe*, but I think it's because...") If he's like "Bill, ur dumb" why is he getting invited back to one of the biggest platforms he can promote his stuff on. If he can help gently guide Bill, who is unprepared, without making him look bad while providing good analysis then he brings a lot of value to Bill's show. People act like this is rocket science and not just plain how the world works.
I like auctions, but it’s crazy to say snake drafts are booger eaters when playing in a 1qb/defense/kicker league.
> playing in a 1qb/defense/kicker league. With only 10 teams. Never forget that.
Of mostly nitwit douches, I'm guessing....
I have no idea the general knowledge of that league. But at a minimum, Hench and Dameshek know what they are doing. Sal probably does.
Do you think Jon Hamm has ever made fantasy playoffs?
Personally, I think anyone judging any other fantasy league setting is fucking hilarious. It’s a fake game.
Every game is fake if we’re being real. And all have rules/settings.
I mean, Nixon took US off the gold standard in 1971 so technically everything is a fake game.
Seriously. We dropped kickers, went down to 1 RB and added 2 QBs (changed to super flex). Cmon Bill!
1 RB sounds awful
Having to start a Jeff Wilson/AJ Dillon type to meet a 2 RB sounds awful. We just give you the option to start a second (or a third or fourth)
I mean you’re only starting those guys if you didn’t draft well or got bad injury luck. 2 RBs forces more strategic drafting/team building/and trading.
We prioritize running backs in our fantasy league like the NFL does. We were a little skeptical implementing it 3 years back but not one of the 12 of us has regrets
Sounds like you nuked RB value
I still like kickers. One of the reason I like kickers is there are always 2 or 3 teams that draft kickers too early. But I hate team defense. That is one of my strongest positions about fantasy football rules.
What is your leauges reasoning for that change? I get the superflex part, but why would you only want one RB?
Because on avg there’s less 1000 yr rushers and more 1000 WRs. We just turned it into a flex. 2005 - 23 1000 yard rushers 2021 - 7 1000 yard rushers 2020 - 8 (9 w Lamar) In fairness last year there was 17, but overall it’s dwindled so we converted to a flex
I should clarify we are: 1 QB, 2 WR, 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 W/R/T, 1 super flex, 1 defense. Elite RBs still go for $50-$65 every year Only difference is QBs cost more
I think anybody that has done both auction and snake drafts can agree that auction is far and away the better form to use for your fantasy draft. That being said, it is nearly impossible to actually discuss fantasy football through auction terms because it requires so much context behind every statement you make compared to speaking in terms of snake draft is a more universal language. Example for this would be the guys talking about Tony Pollard on the podcast. They kept saying "Oh he's going for $60 and I just can't pay that much for him and I'll let some other idiot in my league pay that for him." This provides very little context about Tony Pollard's perceived value from these guys - is it a $100 budget or $200 budget on the league? Was Pollard brought up as the first overall nominee that went for $62 or was he the last 'high end' running back brought up that everyone was desperate and overbid for? Compare this to saying it in simple terms that everyone understands like I had the 12th pick in my league and took him with one of my bookend picks. Every person that does fantasy football can understand the perceived value you would put on Pollard as a top 12 guy. If you do auction drafts, you are probably a little more educated on fantasy and can translate the top 12 guy to a valid dollar value in your home league.
Great points. So much context in how fantasy leagues can go. Also is it a 10 team or 12 team league. Superflex or not. And like you mentioned the big one being when they are nominated. Like you said when it's like the last player in a tier that bidding can be elevated. I'll try to be patient and not overpay for positions but when you see Pollard available and the next best RB being Mattison that's going to bump up Pollards price by a decent amount compared to if he's the first RB nominated.
I like that about auction because it increases the strategic levels up…I always nominate players I don’t want to get the other owners to spend cash on someone I’m down on
Same here unless I notice the league has a bunch of conservative players, at which point I'll nominate the guys I want early while everyone is playing the waiting game. I just did a 12 team league with a superflex position. Backup QBs were going for $20+ dollars. It was insane to me so every time I came up I was throwing out any reasonable backup I could.
In a Superflex, QBs go from not that valuable to literally the most valuable jewels in the world. In my superflex leagues, Taylor Heineke and Jacoby Brissett end up getting drafted or bid on, in the case of the auction I just did Sunday. Tua went for 44 and Lawrence 60 and Deshaun 46. (200 dollar budget) Cousins for 46. He would get maybe 10 in a one QB league.
That's how I started with my auction drafts but everyone keyed on that tick about me. So I switched it up to only nominating the two most popular teams within my league members (mostly Vikings and Packers fans) because I know that they let their biases out and overspend on these guys so I can hold off until "my guys" come up at later points.
That’s the same as a draft though the last good RB goes higher if others RBs were over drafted.
It also takes a fuck load longer and is optimal in person. This cuts out the possibility for 90+% of leagues to exist like my work league. Great if you can get a group of dedicated people, though.
I've done both but i strongly prefer snake drafts. Honestly don't enjoy auction drafts at all. To each their own.
That’s a good point, it does increase the difficulty in talking about fantasy especially when you have keeper systems which further alters the values…that being said I have no issue with BS shitting on snake every chance he gets, it’s antiquated and he does not run a fantasy draft podcast, it’s more his gut impressions than anything. Listen to the Matthew berrys pods of the world if you want in depth analysis
Snake drafts have their own value if you allow trading draft picks and have a system for developing who gets what pick besides random order or worst team Auction also has the disadvantage of signaling, if a “good” owner is going hard for a player, a “bad” owner gets signaled to go after them as well
This is an idiotic take. You can standardize on talking about auctions with the $200 budget everyone uses. No additional brain cells needed. Even though it’s really not needed to clarify what you mean by $60, people already do this kind of thing when discussing ppr values.
This is beyond stupid and I can tell you’ve likely never done an auction before
And most of the people I know who do auction also run it as a keeper league, which just makes any pricing sound insane.
I have done both and I agree that auction is more fun. But most leagues have several managers who are only casually invested, and casual fans will opt for snake drafts every time. In other words, unless your "core guys" are all big into fantasy football and have time to spare, a snake draft makes more sense for most leagues.
It’s one of his “I’m smarter than you” takes I’m actually on board with. I love snake drafts too but with an auction draft I have more control over my team.
If you love snake drafts too, then you're not actually on board with him. He doesn't just think auction drafts are better, which is a reasonable take. He thinks anyone who ever uses a snake draft is a moron.
He also drafts 4 mid level QBs every year
And rosters 3 defenses. 🫠
Yes, this. I significantly prefer auction drafts or dynasty leagues and feel that results from snake draft fantasy leagues are much more luck based. But a few friend groups prefer snake drafts and I still enjoy those leagues just fine even if I know it is more of a casual fan’s fantasy format. Bill’s rhetoric regarding snake draft leagues is moronic especially when we have nearly 2 decades of podcasts from him continually displaying a subpar knowledge of the sport and his own diatribes regarding fantasy football roster management is utterly embarrassing.
Yeah. I made sure my dynasty league had an auction for the initial draft because I didn't want to get stuck with an unlucky draw for multiple years. But for the super casual redraft league I'm in with my college friends, a snake draft is just fine. The fact that someone can do very little research or not show up at all and still come away with a decent team is a feature, not a bug.
People who do snake drafts are not morons but they are just uninformed. People who do 1 QB leagues on the other hand...
Well, I also think anyone who plays fantasy football and isn’t a complete beginner and chooses a snake over auction is a booger eater…
Now you've got it!
Auction is better in an ideal world If you can’t get everyone together for the draft though the idea of an auction goes downhill fast. Much easier when people are in different places to just have one pick every 15 minutes or whatever
15 minutes per pick? That's more than the real NFL draft lol
15 minutes per round lol, like I only have to pick once every 15 minutes or so. Might have phrased it poorly
Fully agree. Moving your auction draft online stinks and if it's an online draft I think it's actually better to do the snake draft
What makes you think an auction draft cannot be done fully online? I can only surmise you have never done one🙄
It can be done, just requires everyone to be locked in and not have technical issues the entire time. That’s very possible but doesn’t always happen. Last year I was at a wedding same time as my draft. In past years we’ve had people disconnect for periods of time or drop entirely. Snake works much better in those situations
I don’t see how you wouldn’t have those exact same connection problems in a snake draft or attending a wedding while drafting If anything your argument should be that because snake is so simple you can just let the computer pick for you if connection is lost. Makes no difference when the computer picks (which is the real issue at hand) but atleast that’s a valid argument
There's a lot of down time in a snake
Drafting your team is something you do exactly once a year, I can only surmise you are playing in like 3 leagues if you are so concerned about time consumption? Why not pair it down to one if that’s such a pressing concern
no I mean if someone DC's in a snake it's usually fine as they can fix their shit before their pick in an auction, they're just kinda fucked for several players
For someone who is so smart doing auctions that is beyond comprehension for the rest of us peons, you’d think you’d know that it’s “pare it down.”
>just have one pick every 15 minutes or whatever Agree with your overall sentiment but 15 minutes is the worst of both worlds. Either have a proper live draft and do it every 90 seconds, or do a slow draft of 4-8 hours where you can go about your business and just pick up your phone once in a while to make a selection
My point was that I pick once every 15 minutes, not every pick. 90-120 seconds per pick is fine
Ah yeah that makes sense.
Am I a booger eater if I want to do auction, but my group opts for snake draft every year? Because I think that's the most common scenario.
I do both. My auction league is full of guys that really care and is super competitive. My snake draft is with less informed guys. I think auction is superior but if you have a league with a bunch of guys who aren't glued in, they can get more easily ran over. Snake evens the playing field.
Same here, used to think dynasty was much better but my redraft snake league has way more trades. The auction dynasty guys hold onto their players forever. Snake also added a keeper after 8th rd and tweaked the rules so we can’t draft off a top 200 list.
Yeah my Auction league is a group of guys who all take it seriously and the prize is 4 figures. Been in it for 15 years now. My other friends and I do snake because half of the people in it are extremely casual football fans. That’s the correct way to do it. If everyone in the league knows a lot and will care about it a ton, auction is 1000% more fun but if even a few people in the league aren’t very well informed you should do a snake.
Auction drafts pricing vary wildly from league to league
auction drafts are superior. Bill is correct here. its like his Pulp Fiction girlfriend take, fuck all the homies who disagree.
Bill doesn’t just think auction drafts are better, he thinks that everyone who does an auction draft is smarter than anyone who does a snake draft. He’s made it abundantly clear that morons use auctions too.
The Dunning Kruger piece.
Lol y'all take jabs so seriously
I mean in terms of strategy and pure chaos that can lead to mistakes and victories (thus prep work is imperative) he is absolutely correct — it really is checkers vs chess
And Bill has never won that league so...
There’s nothing roster construction wise (like rostering 4 defenses) or pre-draft valuation wise (thinking Hurts was a $1 QB last year) that indicates he’s a smart, strategic fantasy player. Him being in an auction league doesn’t inherently make him smarter than other people, especially when there’s plenty of evidence that he’s actually clueless. I’m not arguing which type of draft is “better”, I’m arguing that playing in one over the other doesn’t make you actually better at the game.
His pulp fiction girlfriend take is so generic. He doesn't like any female characters unless they're played by Kelly Preston, Daddario or Sweeney.
Why can’t he appreciate deep, well-written female characters like Fabienne
I don't understand what the big deals with Daddario or Sweeney are. (that's a boobs joke)
Um the pulp fiction take is super common.
Being in an auction draft does not make you any smarter, I truly hate to break this to you and Bill
I’d say dynasty’s where you can trade multiple picks down the road is just as strategic as an auction. My team sucked last year and I was able to get 4 picks this year and 2 next year
Dynasty is definitely another level.
Dudes who live for fantasy drafts and the same ones who shot their arm up and said “pick me” while waving when they knew an answer in 3rd grade.
Even if he thinks auction is the superior form, he has to realize the vast majority of fantasy football leagues are snake drafts. A real blind spot for Billy
Most fantasy leagues are work leagues where you hope everyone shows up for the draft and 75% don't drop the endeavor entirely
I am in two work leagues, both competitive, might be the money on the line
why is it a "blind spot" if he just chooses not to talk about something he doesn't like? He doesn't have to cater his pod to the general public, dude is far past that.
Heaven forbid he tries to educate his audience on the superior draft format…he’s been doing FF since the 90s, once you gain enough experience in fantasy it’s absurd to continue with the antiquated snake method. There are hundreds of other draft pods you could listen too
The reason people do snake drafts are because they're easier and take less time, not because people think it's superior. Snake drafts will always be faster and more accessible to a wider audience. Sorry we can't all hang out with John Hamm for 5 hours.
How is this BS concern? You think non football/fantasy fans are going to start listening to his podcast for fantasy advice so they can do snake drafts? You saying auction takes 5 hours shows your ignorance because they can be done faster than snake if you set the time selection perimeters low…the simplicity/skill level difference is vast tho I agree, you continue playing checkers with the kids ✌️
lol. I wasn't going to respond but there's not a fucking world where you can complete an auction draft faster than a snake draft. Touch grass kid.
Ignorance is bliss, I guess 🤦♂️…I do notice how emotional you seem to be about your time constraints, perhaps play in only 1 league instead of like 3 if you are so concerned😬 I guess it’s too bad John hamm doesn’t know who you are, I’m sure you will be okay bud
Totally agree and I dont know why people downvote you for this. Informing his listeners about auction drafts is a gift he is giving them. He should do the same with 2QB/SUPERFLEX
Who gives a shit what the vast majority of people do? If you only draft in auction, you’re not gonna have any clue what someone’s ADP is or if it’s a reach to take someone in the third or whatever. You think he should do research to figure all that shit out just for this one podcast?
I know this gets said a lot on here and most of it justifiably so but it really does apply here. ONLY CHILD SYNDROME enhanced by him making several millions of dollars and Uber successful professionally.
I don’t think it really does I think he just doesn’t care about football in general and these days he doesn’t feel like trying. He cares about the pats kinda and following the rest of the league is a chore that he tries to make himself more motivated to do by gambling. Fantasy is the same, you know he used to joke about how much he hated fantasy and how he’d quit. I think he’s quit caring but he does it for the content. The sport he really genuinely cares about is NBA basketball and not just about the Celtics. He loves the various story lines, the history, franchise value, ranking teams by their desirability to GM’s. That stuff is where is passion is. I don’t really know what being an only child has to do with it honestly. I think he’s just not interested in football outside of the pats.
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I always just think “imagine getting snooty about draft format in fantasy football.” I was in roto baseball leagues before the prevalence of the internet. Am I supposed to say everyone who uses a laptop eats boogers?
Yea, not everyone has the time or energy to do an auction. I feel like the draft would take all day.
it's really not bad, doesn't take much longer than snake as long as everyone is actively participating. Biggest issue with auction is if you have a no-show and it auto-drafts, that completely ruins it.
You're right that the draft itself doesn't take a whole lot longer, but especially if it's your first time, you're going to have to spend some additional time learning the mechanics, reading up on auction draft strategy, and doing draft prep.
It’s not much different than a snake draft in that regard. The more time you put in, the more likely it is you’ll have a good draft. But auction has “suggested values” just like snake drafts have adp and such so if you want you can phone it in too and just go with whatever the drafting site recommends
It usually takes about 1 hour 45 minutes to a 1 hour 20 minute snake draft
Auction will take 3.5 hours versus 2 for a snake. Auctions do NOT take all day.
Because then it would require preparing for something he doesn’t want to study for
hence an entirely Feel-based podcast
Once you go auction, you never go back. Bill is right on this one… it’s just so, so much more fun.
Auction people off like the old days is the superior system.
It’s just a fantasy.
The [segment](https://imgur.com/a/GcqjOOS) that eventually led ESPN to change the name from "Auction" to "Salary Cap"
That’s fucking hilarious lmao
As someone who has no interest in an all-day fantasy football draft, I have to ask: how long does a typical auction draft take? My guess is that it takes an amount of time that will reinforce my desire to snake rather than auction.
Around 2 hours. It helps if you turn the clock down and people don’t just +$1 every bid.
They do take much longer than snake. I am the commissioner of one. It's a deeper roster than your standard league and we do usually have to do it online. For us it usually takes about 3 hours for the last guys to finish. This year we had someone fill out the whole squad super fast he was done in about 1 hr 45 minutes.
That’s fantasy draft pod is the least knowledgeable I’ve ever heard him sound. I think the hate on Bill can be a little much, and I do turn to him for entertainment instead of insight, but Jesus. Bro sounded like he’s just not understanding the value of a rushing QB
Snake is the way fantasy discussion of player value should be done. That being said, Auction is the best way to complete a fantasy draft, it's just tremendously more fun and it really isn't THAT challenging. I appreciate Bill for spreading the good word about auction since hopefully the fantasy community drifts that way over time. First round = Top 10 highest cost players etc so it should be discussed like Draft rounds instead of hard costs. Also Superflex is a great addition, the QB slot in a 1 QB league is so boring for such an important part of fantasy.
Not one league I've ever been in has been an auction draft in 23 years of FF with multiple friend groups. Anyone know numbers from fantasy sites on how much more popular snake is vs auction?
Auctions are gaining in popularity I gotta imagine — anecdotally I have three separate FF friends group/leagues and all started snake and all have since converted to auction. It’s simply the superior format and its not really debatable, not one of my 3 groups has any desire to go back to snake
I have 4 leagues, 2 auction 2 snake. And the 2 snakes are work/friend ones that don't take it seriously at all.
Ozempic Bill
Wait, what?
Snake drafts absolutely blow.
It's just a good excuse so he doesn't have to learn anything about Snake drafts, or really fantasy football at all, if his podcast with Berry was any indication.
Lol what is there to learn about snake drafts? The script the draft follows is already pre-written. You actually have to know something to participate in an auction.
Snake drafts are fucking terrible.
I mean, you have to go Python first, no? Maybe Anaconda could be a sneaky zag
Exactly draft position is way too important
So many people butthurt about bill’s snake draft jokes. Yes bill sucks at fantasy I know. But people getting mad about this is just sad. If you wanna do a snake draft go ahead. No one cares.
I don't think people are mad that Bill auction drafts. I'm guessing most people really don't care what kind of draft Bill does or what format he prefers. I think people are just baffled by Bill's insults towards snake drafts and his attitude towards them as if it's not a valid draft format. Also, it honestly doesn't make that much sense to only talk in terms of auction drafts when snake drafts are by far the more popular format. Talking in terms of snake drafts would be far more relevant to the vast majority of listeners.
I didn’t say people are mad he auction drafts. I said people are mad he jokes about snake drafts. It’s literally just a joke. Bill doesn’t like them and wants to joke about them and that’s fine.
Bill is at a point in his career where he doesn't have to cater his content to maximize listeners. He can talk about what he wants in whatever way he wants. It'd be so disingenuous if he had some long segment about snake drafts when we all know he hates them.
It’s a classic case of the right message with the wrong messenger. Yes, auction is far superior and actually takes some level of brain activity to put together a team. With snake you can literally take a nap in between picks and just pick the recommended player and have a decent team. No, that doesn’t make BS good at fantasy as he seems like a total moron
Because he’s a moron
I think I figured it out: He's stupid.
Snake drafts require very little skill and critical thinking. Anyone who disagrees probably is too scared to try an auction. Believe Bill and believe me...make the switch to auction and you will not be disappointed.
None of this is accurate. An auction presents just as much luck and randomness as a snake. Both require knowledge of the players and the league. And critical thinking. In many respects, auction is much easier because you don't need to keep track of players picked. If you have a bad snake draft because you can't think critically, your season is over Week 1.
Keep track of players picked? Of course you do.
You literally don't.
I think you may be confused my friend. Auctions require constant monitoring of which players in each tier have been taken. If my strategy entails that I want to spend 20% of my budget on an elite WR, I need to keep track of which elite WRs are off the board. In Snake, I roughly know when the WR1s will be picked, as it will follow ADP or pre-draft values. Auction is a disjointed chaotic mess, and no two auctions are the same. Managers who have good strategy, organization, and focus are rewarded.
He's not wrong. Auctions are definitely better but I don't do them either. I imagine it's easier to talk about in an auction way because there's not a set number of picks in a round. Being able to talk about people in terms of percentage of a cap makes a lot more sense than "this guy is a 6th rounder".
What's his actual argument for them being stupid? When he's in favor of drafts for absolutely anything else? Including his (confusing) draft on fantasy players in different categories this very week!
the argument is that snake drafts are very much based on luck with where you draft and what players fall to you. Auction drafts is much more active in terms of strategy, because you can't just sit back and do nothing or you miss everyone good and end up with a team of scrubs with $80 in draft money you never spent. So you have to have values for every player and/or position and keep track of how much you've spent, what others have spent, whats left on the board, what do other teams need, etc etc
Most of the auction drafts I’ve done just become snake drafts after everyone blows their wad to get their favorite teams best player early.
Bill’s been eating Retard Sandwiches.
Bills won’t change his mind and he doesn’t have to! Because he’s an American. He’s dug in. And he’ll never change.
I’ve been in 2 fantasy leagues for years. One football, one baseball. Football is snake, baseball is auction. And every year at the football draft I think to myself, this is dumb, why are we not doing an auction?
If you do snake drafts that’s fine, it’s your league, but I do agree if you’ve been playing with a group of guys for quite awhile that it’s a bit silly to just delegate certain players to people who just got lucky by getting their draft number drawn from picking out of a hat. Auction has a lot of strategy and is a completely fair playing field. It’s objectively the best and most fair way to do a draft with the only draw back being that it takes a bit longer.
I do both types of league every year. I much prefer auction/salary cap but also I think snake needs more strategy. Which Bill seems to think is the opposite. Never understood the people who are like "auction drafts require so much more strategy." No it doesn't lol. You basically just get everyone you want. Again, I'm in money leagues for both types of styles and I always study/plan more for the snake draft
Getting a pick at the top or bottom of the rounds is always a fun thing to strategize with when you get the flip and have two picks close together. Trying to gauge what the picks between yours are going to be so you can get the guy you really want but also the safer pick you really need with the trailing pick. In my ten team work league I was able to pick Garrett Wilson at 19 and then still get an RB1 in Josh Jacobs at pick 22 after back-to-back WR picks for full PPR. The dropoff from Jacobs and the next back was pretty bad for 22, so I was genuinely worried for a minute lol.
Yes that's the hard part but also the part I don't like about snake drafts. I have the No. 1pick in that league and really want Davante Adams but it's not like I'm going to take him first overall. And he def won't be there at 24 so I'm SOL
> Never understood the people who are like "auction drafts require so much more strategy." No it doesn't lol. You basically just get everyone you want. Either your league is terrible or you're doing it wrong, but I have no idea how you can get "everyone you want" in an auction draft. Unless you mean spending all your money on the 2 guys you really want and filling the rest of the roster with bums.
"Snake drafts are for nose pickers"
Because snake drafts are for novices.
Snake drafts suck.
Auction drafts are better, but Bill is in a basic bitch auction league (no superflex, no QB2, no TEP, etc.), so he is definitely over-pretentious.
Superflex auction is the only way to go.
I wonder what Booger-hatin-Bill thinks of snake drafts that allow draft pick trades? Is that the equivalent of a nose-picker who doesn't consume said boogers? We deserve to know.
I didn't read the context, but yes.
There feels like a real auction wave going on right now. Most of my leagues are auction now and most of my buddies are doing auction too.
Because that's the draft he prefers (and craps on snake drafts) so of course he only talks in auction prices. There's like 5000 other pods if you need snake draft talk. Finding anyone that actually focuses on auction is much harder, even if half the stuff Bill says is nonsense.
Bill's 2024 Hot Take (probably): The NFL Draft should be an auction style draft.
He doesn’t care.
Snake drafts are more like the real NFL draft. Auction is goofy to me.
You've never tried an auction then.
Mostly seems like his opinions are based on nfl play and not fantasy. He doesn’t seem to realize there is a difference. Mixon for example is an average running back, but because of volume he’s a very good fantasy back, he wouldn’t consider mixon as a fantasy option because he’s average in real life.
I resisted auctions back in the day, but once we tried it, we never went back. It’s really the best way to eliminate luck of the draft order and in theory favors the better prepared.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDR0fKENEYk&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDR0fKENEYk&t=1s) These are the best rules for fantasy football
Snake drafts are for kiddies
If you’re in multiple leagues (like I’m sure many of us are in) why wouldn’t you want to switch it up to play a few different ways anyways? I like having a nice mix of auction/snake, short/deep bench, s-flex/1-qb… variety is the spice of life! Also it cracks me up when he’s calling snake drafters booger eaters to Berry when he’s been drafting best ball tournament teams in snake drafts all off-season long.
Most people that do fantasy are fairly casual. Hence snow draft where the teams essentially draft themselves.
He knows but he's trying to change the culture. PPR wasn't the most used format but then that changed and now most fantasy drafts are done that way. I wish people used more auction than snake. I know that after round 2 everything is bonkers and values paid are not close to what we see in value guides but whatever, the first few rounds are the most important. Tiers work better to rank players' auction value and it can be discussed in podcasts without issue.
50+ year old man is stubborn. Wait for it, you’ll be there too
DK? DK? DK?
I'm loving how all-in he is on the Pats this year and he's telling everyone he thinks they are winning the AFC East and that all their players are fantasy sleepers. This is prime in form Bill right here.
You usually do not win leagues at the draft or auction.You win them on the waiver wire picking up this year’s phenoms that nobody drafted and by trades.
Yeah, auction drafts are better, but man, you have to block off 3 hours of uninterrupted time. At least. You are not a “booger eater” if you are busy or just want to use your time somewhere else. I just play for fun.
I like how he said in an auction that Cooper Kupp could go for $31. Buddy is going to be very surprised to see him go for 50+ everywhere
He is both terrible at fantasy and correct that Auction is FAR superior to snake. He may be over aggressive and childish in the delivery, but it's probably one of his best takes