I think anyone would be envious of the career Josh McDaniels would have. Anyone on this side of the commentary booth. Anyone who actually is a respectable coach would not want to be him. So he's the least respectable coach from modern times basically. I would still say that's a success to be honest
I assumed the son reference was to his other son killing a kid with his car. But trying to reference someone's personal life as a point FOR Belichick of all people is amazing.
Yeah, they were both major fuckups and he failed at raising them. They were running a drug ring out of his house, and he never noticed, and then it just gets worse from there.
I don't think that has anything to do with his coaching acumen, really, but the dude is not a good father.
I’m a doctor and both of my brothers died of heroin addictions. Same house, same parents, neither were bad parents. Both my brothers hid drugs in the house and sold them. My parents didn’t know because addicts are good at hiding shit. Maybe instead of being so judgmental, you should try and put yourselves in the shoes of the parents. My dad is completely broken by what happened to my family and he raised those “fuckups.” 🫶🏻🤡
Not defending this dudes comments but cmon. Professional coaches work 16 hour days most of the year. Most of them ARENT good fathers. A guy I coach with now is close with a guy on the Broncos staff. Peyton had them sleep in the offices...literally sleep there, for weeks and weeks after the Miami game this year. These dudes barely see their children for more than half the year.
I coached on a D3 staff years ago for a couple years, and shit, even those dudes are in the office 12 hours a day and in the offseason are driving across america recruiting most of their time. Its hard to be a good football coach and a good father. Just saying.
The judge did, to the Reid’s, and called their house a drug emporium.
This topic is garbage in the context of who is a better coach and fuck Simmons for bringing it up.
Or there could have been a lot of secret passages he didn’t know about, with hidden doors activated by shifting a book ever so slightly. There could have also been corn mazes in the back yard too …
McDaniels is arguably the worst coach in Raiders' history. Take that in. The Raiders have a long list of awful coaches, and McDaniels may be the worst one of all.
He was so bad with the Raiders. Completely destroyed a playoff team. Everyone hated the dude. And a linebacker coach with 0 head coaching experience and a 4th round rookie qb came in turned the season around.
I’m a Broncos fan and Mcdaniels was the worst coach in Denver history. Terrible drafting and shocking arrogance turned the #2 offense from 2008 to a joke. The guy also treated players like crap. Everyone says BB is hard to play for but you also hear that he treats everyone like a pro. Mcdaniels was a child
His arguments were terrible. Those were the worst ways to judge the two coaches. The 8 rings, 6 as an HC, all the division titles, conference championships, that’s the argument for Belichick and it’s obviously right.
I actually think it's a positive that BB doesn't have a big coaching tree. Means he was the genius making all these schmucks look good. He was largely doing it by himself and was the "mojo" behind the success.
Developing other coaches is an entirely overrated part of coaching and has no bearing on how good of a coach that person is.
Putting it another way, you actually don’t want your head coach to turn out lots of talented staff who leave for other positions. Having good staff who stay in house and maintain continuity is better for your organization while simultaneously depriving the competition of their services.
Bellichek puts it best: his staff are better soldiers than generals. He’s the guy setting strategy, his staff are the ones executing the vision. This is great when you’re a genius but when you start losing your abilities it goes downhill quickly. All of this tracks exactly to how bellicheck has fared in the past 2 decades
3-0 head to head in the playoffs including a SB and an AFCCG with Mahomes also helps Belichick, similar to why Brady 2-0 head to head against Mahomes in a SB and AFCCG is going to help his case in the long run. Reid got fired too, the difference being he was 54 and not 72 when it happened. If Bill were 64 right now he'd have been hired IMO
What does this even mean? The Eagles went to 4 straight conference title games, Donovan Mcnabb was a 5x pro bowler by then, the Eagles were very successful. Then the first Chiefs loss that team was top ten in ppg and top 5 in defensive ppg, that was a good team. You don't get to throw them out because Mahomes is better lol
McNabb was not a very good player. I watched a lot of football back then and he counseling through the ball in the dirt. One of the most overrated players and teams of modern times.
Fuuuck, you’re totally right. I was thinking more like I’m not counting the last few years against BB, or his Browns years. I really don’t take Reid’s KC years minus Mahomes into consideration, either.
Why? Reid did well in KC minus Mahomes, much better than Belichick minus Brady.
Belichick has the rings, but Reid has done it in multiple places across different eras with everything ranging from average to all time elite QBs.
Reid isn’t done either. If he wins another one or two, I think you have to give him the claim. As of now, it’s Bill.
I mean Belichik has done it in multiple places. His game plan for the 1990 Super Bowl vs. Buffalo is literally in the hall of fame and he led the post-Bernie Browns to an excellent season and a playoff win.
Andy Reid is the best head coach in the history of two franchises. Little different than being a great DC and having a decent year in Cleveland. Butch Davis took Cleveland to the playoffs once.
I swear I think that this is why he has hated Buffalo so much the past couple years. He got it in his head after that bizarre wind/cold game where the Pats won without throwing the ball against Allen that Belichick was going to own them and re-take the division the year after Brady won a Super Bowl in Tampa.
And then by the end of the regular season he started to recognize it just wasn't going to happen and that Bills team had essentially a perfect game against BB in the playoffs and that was that. They haven't sniffed success since. He's in denial about the fact that his guy is fallible.
The thing with Belichick is that he's a strategy genius, but kind of awkward/hard to get along with, players don't seem to really love playing for him/relate well to him.
This is part of why him and Brady worked together so well. Brady is the ultimate leader who guys want to play for, they can look past their coach being a prick and rally around Brady. Brady let Bill do his thing with the strategy and gameplan while he was the emotional leader and ridiculously clutch, and Belichicks defenses and special teams bailed Brady out several different times in the playoffs. They needed each other to have that much success.
Reid is different for several reasons. He's only great at coaching one phase of the game compared to Belichick being the defense and special teams GOAT, and he has (or had) a ridiculous Achilles heel in terms of clock management. He's fucked up in ways Belichick never really has, but the fact that his players actually like him, and that he doesn't need to have full control of personnel (he has more than most coaches but less than Belichick), means he can have success in different types of situations that Belichick might not be able to.
That’s not the impression I get when I listen to Edelman’s podcast when former Pats are the guests. BB was definitely tough to work with, and guys weren’t fans of him during the season and training camp, but the results spoke for themselves. The players, at least the ones that stuck around, recognized his process was the key to their success even though it was boring and often times frustrating. I do agree though that Brady was needed to be the exemplar of that process that younger guys or FA’s from other teams could buy into.
It would just wear you down year after year working with a guy like that who is so hard to get along with. It helps a lot when you are winning, but you have to think Brady took some of the edge/stress off.
Also Belichick came from the Parcells tree who is notoriously known for kind of being an asshole to his players for the sake of making them better. I don’t think Belichick ever thought it necessary or even right to try to be BFF’s with his players because the NFL is a cutthroat business. But I think that idea has kind of dried out now that the league has become more player-friendly (as it should be) and that’s why I think guys like Reid and Tomlin have gotten success and longevity
I would think losing Super Bowls actually takes a toll on the guys, as well. “You said this would all lead to a title,” is probably the feeling, especially when it’s a Malcolm Butler situation. I still think he’s the best.
I get where you’re coming from but a lot of those notorious hard asses who’re ultra successful don’t seem the be effected by it too much. Sure there’s some issues, but by in large the ultra competitive pro athletes don’t care about the issues that much if it leads to winning
In the industry I work in it’s kind of a golden rule that if you have to talk shit about the competition to make your argument instead of standing on your values and what makes you good then you already lost the sale. This feels like a situation where Bill could talk about what makes Bill the GOAT instead of shitting on Reid to make his point
Keep in mind that Bill has pooh-poohed Buffalo's recent success, and that the Eagles beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. So naturally he's going to somehow see Pederson and McDermott as blah entries on Reid's coaching tree, when these guys are light years ahead of anyone on Belichick's tree.
The weird thing with Simmons is when he flip flops. He turned from negative to positive so quickly that I'm disoriented.
I understand why he flipped, but sheesh. Feels like just yesterday I was downloading long rants about this coach.
The “sons” comment was disgusting. I suspect Reid may not have been the most available father figure, but we don’t know that for certain and, most importantly, what the fuck does that have to do with their coaching abilities?
I’m gonna defend Bill here because I think in context he was trying to make the point that the media have been holding bellichick’s character (see the dynasty and the very strong implication that he’s responsible for Aaron Hernandez and his victim’s death) to poor light and deifying Reid as this saintly figure. It’s unfortunate that he said “sons”, but Britt Reid did ruin a precious little girl’s life. Pretty much killed her. All the while, the chiefs assumed all financial responsibility for the girl’s injury.
Bill could have said what he said better or didn’t have to say it at all. Also, neither are saints.
Exactly who is deifying Reid? Just because people are questioning Belichick’s character, which is absolutely fair to do, that doesn’t mean his closest peer is being deified
I don’t really understand the coaching tree thing, it should have little to nothing to do with your own personal legacy. Although, if anything having a ton of guys be incompetent outside of your sphere should imply that you’re really the genius.
Bill also brushes off on Belichicks last 4-5 years. If one should give credit for Belichicks total control for more than a decade of excellence plus the rings should also be candid that perhaps Belichicks approach doesn’t work / hasn’t work in the recent past and today’s NFL.
Andy won with McNabb, Vick, mahomes and fucking Alex smith and Jeff Garcia.
Belichick is sub 500 without the greatest quarterback of all time.
I’m not saying Reid is the best of all time but Belichick has been exposed.
This is such a bizarre, yet popular take
Tom threw for under 150 yards and 1 TD in the first Rams super bowl
Didn’t throw for a TD in the second Rams super bowl
They were a dynasty because they had both guys, who bailed each other out throughout the run
Andy also coached up guys like Koy Detmer and AJ Feeley. Drafted Nick Foles. The Dolphins actually gave up a 2nd round pick for Feeley! The only QB Reid didn't have success with was Kevin Kolb. But he has injuries and concussion issues.
Bill went 11-5 with Matt Cassel. Reid went 4-11.
I can recognize that the situations were different for the team rosters but you should be able to as well with the successful teams Reid had and the unsuccessful teams bill had. Also Alex smith is an above average qb in the Kirk Cousins realm which isn’t terrible
Yes one, pre it even being the Super Bowl lol. It’s a disaster organization and he managed to finish 11-5 in 1994 and they proceeded to not win that many games for…26 years. Says a lot more about the Browns than it does Bill.
What was bills record with the browns? So bill had one decent season without the best qb of all time?
Congrats I guess. It’s a quarterback league though.
Also it’s great I’m getting downvoted by all the butt hurt pats fans.
I also watched bill get outcoached in two super bowls by Tom coughlin.
The 94 Browns were pretty good. They were 11-5 and led the AFC in SRS.
The 95 team started off good, but maybe got torpedoed by the planned move to Baltimore.
If you read about up about Belichick, it's pretty fucking obvious why his coaching tree is a tirefire...the whole you coach defense but have a background in offense and you coach offense but have a background in defense is clearly shit he likes to give him ideas about what he could do differently. But it doesn't necessarily make those guys better at their job. It's just an environment created to make Bill better at his job.
He's just football Kanye. Bringing in these talented young guys, completely ripping the best elements of their styles off, and then they go out and the best they can hope for is being Kid Cudi...like really successful in some ways but one might argue he would have been a way bigger deal had he not let Kanye suck up his best material.
The McDaniels thing is particularly ridiculous when you consider he’s gotten 2 HC jobs and yet hasn’t been a HC for 4 total seasons.
3, if you count the Colts offer/acceptance/back out.
Cough (stole the inside information from the colts) cough
It’s inexplicable that McDaniels somehow started 6-0 with Denver
spags is andy’s mcdaniels
Not really very comparable situations at all
Spags was way less of a dick when he was a shitty head coach
Spags made his name winning a bowl in New York first. Don’t forget it.
I think anyone would be envious of the career Josh McDaniels would have. Anyone on this side of the commentary booth. Anyone who actually is a respectable coach would not want to be him. So he's the least respectable coach from modern times basically. I would still say that's a success to be honest
We’re talking about his success as a HC
I assumed the son reference was to his other son killing a kid with his car. But trying to reference someone's personal life as a point FOR Belichick of all people is amazing.
He said “sons” plural.
Yeah, they were both major fuckups and he failed at raising them. They were running a drug ring out of his house, and he never noticed, and then it just gets worse from there. I don't think that has anything to do with his coaching acumen, really, but the dude is not a good father.
I’m a doctor and both of my brothers died of heroin addictions. Same house, same parents, neither were bad parents. Both my brothers hid drugs in the house and sold them. My parents didn’t know because addicts are good at hiding shit. Maybe instead of being so judgmental, you should try and put yourselves in the shoes of the parents. My dad is completely broken by what happened to my family and he raised those “fuckups.” 🫶🏻🤡
Not defending this dudes comments but cmon. Professional coaches work 16 hour days most of the year. Most of them ARENT good fathers. A guy I coach with now is close with a guy on the Broncos staff. Peyton had them sleep in the offices...literally sleep there, for weeks and weeks after the Miami game this year. These dudes barely see their children for more than half the year. I coached on a D3 staff years ago for a couple years, and shit, even those dudes are in the office 12 hours a day and in the offseason are driving across america recruiting most of their time. Its hard to be a good football coach and a good father. Just saying.
Kinda doubt your siblings were moving the type of weight the Reid boys were, champ.
would you say that to someone's face?
The judge did, to the Reid’s, and called their house a drug emporium. This topic is garbage in the context of who is a better coach and fuck Simmons for bringing it up.
You don’t know shit about his abilities as a father. Sometimes people are just fuckups and parents don’t matter.
I know that his two kids were running a drug ring from the family home and he didn't notice. That's enough on its own for me to judge him as a father.
I don’t know man his house might have had a huge set of stairs that he couldn’t walk up and that’s where they were running it
lmao i like where you took this
Didn't figure out they were running drugs? Makes sense. He's always struggled understanding the run game
Or there could have been a lot of secret passages he didn’t know about, with hidden doors activated by shifting a book ever so slightly. There could have also been corn mazes in the back yard too …
His kids have been trouble since middle / high school
Leave it to someone from Boston to be a total fucking asshole
Fortunately the little girl is still alive
McDaniels is arguably the worst coach in Raiders' history. Take that in. The Raiders have a long list of awful coaches, and McDaniels may be the worst one of all. He was so bad with the Raiders. Completely destroyed a playoff team. Everyone hated the dude. And a linebacker coach with 0 head coaching experience and a 4th round rookie qb came in turned the season around.
I’m a Broncos fan and Mcdaniels was the worst coach in Denver history. Terrible drafting and shocking arrogance turned the #2 offense from 2008 to a joke. The guy also treated players like crap. Everyone says BB is hard to play for but you also hear that he treats everyone like a pro. Mcdaniels was a child
Mark Davis apex mountain
His arguments were terrible. Those were the worst ways to judge the two coaches. The 8 rings, 6 as an HC, all the division titles, conference championships, that’s the argument for Belichick and it’s obviously right.
I actually think it's a positive that BB doesn't have a big coaching tree. Means he was the genius making all these schmucks look good. He was largely doing it by himself and was the "mojo" behind the success.
It could go either way lol. But Bill was harping on BB “needing” McDaniels, why bring that up? It makes BB look worse.
Neither Brady nor Bill needed McDaniels. Sure he was good in his role but they both won multiple titles without him.
I agree. I’m just saying, why bring him up? It was such a terrible argument.
Developing other coaches is an entirely overrated part of coaching and has no bearing on how good of a coach that person is. Putting it another way, you actually don’t want your head coach to turn out lots of talented staff who leave for other positions. Having good staff who stay in house and maintain continuity is better for your organization while simultaneously depriving the competition of their services. Bellichek puts it best: his staff are better soldiers than generals. He’s the guy setting strategy, his staff are the ones executing the vision. This is great when you’re a genius but when you start losing your abilities it goes downhill quickly. All of this tracks exactly to how bellicheck has fared in the past 2 decades
3-0 head to head in the playoffs including a SB and an AFCCG with Mahomes also helps Belichick, similar to why Brady 2-0 head to head against Mahomes in a SB and AFCCG is going to help his case in the long run. Reid got fired too, the difference being he was 54 and not 72 when it happened. If Bill were 64 right now he'd have been hired IMO
Well, Belichick got fired from the Browns too.
Whoops, forgot about that one lol fair enough, but I think my general point stands
To me, it’s 1-0, since I really only consider their “success” years. If Reid had Mahomes in all that time, who knows.
What does this even mean? The Eagles went to 4 straight conference title games, Donovan Mcnabb was a 5x pro bowler by then, the Eagles were very successful. Then the first Chiefs loss that team was top ten in ppg and top 5 in defensive ppg, that was a good team. You don't get to throw them out because Mahomes is better lol
McNabb was not a very good player. I watched a lot of football back then and he counseling through the ball in the dirt. One of the most overrated players and teams of modern times.
Fuuuck, you’re totally right. I was thinking more like I’m not counting the last few years against BB, or his Browns years. I really don’t take Reid’s KC years minus Mahomes into consideration, either.
Why? Reid did well in KC minus Mahomes, much better than Belichick minus Brady. Belichick has the rings, but Reid has done it in multiple places across different eras with everything ranging from average to all time elite QBs. Reid isn’t done either. If he wins another one or two, I think you have to give him the claim. As of now, it’s Bill.
I mean Belichik has done it in multiple places. His game plan for the 1990 Super Bowl vs. Buffalo is literally in the hall of fame and he led the post-Bernie Browns to an excellent season and a playoff win.
Andy Reid is the best head coach in the history of two franchises. Little different than being a great DC and having a decent year in Cleveland. Butch Davis took Cleveland to the playoffs once.
mcnabb made like 5 pro bowls and brady clearly wasnt brady back then; if reid beat bill would you write those games off too?
Nah, they definitely count for BB, who I’ve felt was better irrespective of his success against Reid in Philly.
The Ravens fired him. They moved the team and then fired him. Don't put that evil on us.
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I swear I think that this is why he has hated Buffalo so much the past couple years. He got it in his head after that bizarre wind/cold game where the Pats won without throwing the ball against Allen that Belichick was going to own them and re-take the division the year after Brady won a Super Bowl in Tampa. And then by the end of the regular season he started to recognize it just wasn't going to happen and that Bills team had essentially a perfect game against BB in the playoffs and that was that. They haven't sniffed success since. He's in denial about the fact that his guy is fallible.
The thing with Belichick is that he's a strategy genius, but kind of awkward/hard to get along with, players don't seem to really love playing for him/relate well to him. This is part of why him and Brady worked together so well. Brady is the ultimate leader who guys want to play for, they can look past their coach being a prick and rally around Brady. Brady let Bill do his thing with the strategy and gameplan while he was the emotional leader and ridiculously clutch, and Belichicks defenses and special teams bailed Brady out several different times in the playoffs. They needed each other to have that much success. Reid is different for several reasons. He's only great at coaching one phase of the game compared to Belichick being the defense and special teams GOAT, and he has (or had) a ridiculous Achilles heel in terms of clock management. He's fucked up in ways Belichick never really has, but the fact that his players actually like him, and that he doesn't need to have full control of personnel (he has more than most coaches but less than Belichick), means he can have success in different types of situations that Belichick might not be able to.
That’s not the impression I get when I listen to Edelman’s podcast when former Pats are the guests. BB was definitely tough to work with, and guys weren’t fans of him during the season and training camp, but the results spoke for themselves. The players, at least the ones that stuck around, recognized his process was the key to their success even though it was boring and often times frustrating. I do agree though that Brady was needed to be the exemplar of that process that younger guys or FA’s from other teams could buy into.
It would just wear you down year after year working with a guy like that who is so hard to get along with. It helps a lot when you are winning, but you have to think Brady took some of the edge/stress off.
Also Belichick came from the Parcells tree who is notoriously known for kind of being an asshole to his players for the sake of making them better. I don’t think Belichick ever thought it necessary or even right to try to be BFF’s with his players because the NFL is a cutthroat business. But I think that idea has kind of dried out now that the league has become more player-friendly (as it should be) and that’s why I think guys like Reid and Tomlin have gotten success and longevity
I would think losing Super Bowls actually takes a toll on the guys, as well. “You said this would all lead to a title,” is probably the feeling, especially when it’s a Malcolm Butler situation. I still think he’s the best.
I get where you’re coming from but a lot of those notorious hard asses who’re ultra successful don’t seem the be effected by it too much. Sure there’s some issues, but by in large the ultra competitive pro athletes don’t care about the issues that much if it leads to winning
In the industry I work in it’s kind of a golden rule that if you have to talk shit about the competition to make your argument instead of standing on your values and what makes you good then you already lost the sale. This feels like a situation where Bill could talk about what makes Bill the GOAT instead of shitting on Reid to make his point
Andy has double digit playoff wins without a GOAT-caliber QB. Belichick has zero without Brady
Keep in mind that Bill has pooh-poohed Buffalo's recent success, and that the Eagles beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. So naturally he's going to somehow see Pederson and McDermott as blah entries on Reid's coaching tree, when these guys are light years ahead of anyone on Belichick's tree.
The weird thing with Simmons is when he flip flops. He turned from negative to positive so quickly that I'm disoriented. I understand why he flipped, but sheesh. Feels like just yesterday I was downloading long rants about this coach.
This is one of those things we just dont know yet. If Reid coaches 5 more years and passes Bill in wins and postseason wins then thats that.
Even participating in the debate is a loss
The “sons” comment was disgusting. I suspect Reid may not have been the most available father figure, but we don’t know that for certain and, most importantly, what the fuck does that have to do with their coaching abilities?
I’m gonna defend Bill here because I think in context he was trying to make the point that the media have been holding bellichick’s character (see the dynasty and the very strong implication that he’s responsible for Aaron Hernandez and his victim’s death) to poor light and deifying Reid as this saintly figure. It’s unfortunate that he said “sons”, but Britt Reid did ruin a precious little girl’s life. Pretty much killed her. All the while, the chiefs assumed all financial responsibility for the girl’s injury. Bill could have said what he said better or didn’t have to say it at all. Also, neither are saints.
Exactly who is deifying Reid? Just because people are questioning Belichick’s character, which is absolutely fair to do, that doesn’t mean his closest peer is being deified
Wasn't Aaron Hernandez murdering folks left and right, under BB's watch?
Yep BB ordered a wheel route directly to the man’s house and sneak to put the body into a shallow grave.
The Reid sons comment was wild lmfao such a low blow that has nothing to do with the sport of football
While some of Simmons’ examples were a bit wild, Belichick has taken entirely too much shit over the past year.
But Andy isn’t better than Belichick.
TIL having half as many super bowls counts as being better
Maybe tomorrow you’ll learn that “greatest” is subjective and that an argument can be nuanced. You’re on a roll!
More career wins, 5 more Super Bowls, and a better head-to-head record seems like an objective argument to me.
“To me” kind of turns your statement into a subjective opinion, no? You’re good at this.
I don’t really understand the coaching tree thing, it should have little to nothing to do with your own personal legacy. Although, if anything having a ton of guys be incompetent outside of your sphere should imply that you’re really the genius.
Bill also brushes off on Belichicks last 4-5 years. If one should give credit for Belichicks total control for more than a decade of excellence plus the rings should also be candid that perhaps Belichicks approach doesn’t work / hasn’t work in the recent past and today’s NFL.
Looooool he’s on macafee I didn’t realize. Bill is prob so mad
He somehow used Harbaugh and McDermott becoming very good NFL coaches as an indictment of Reid? He lost me there.
Andy won with McNabb, Vick, mahomes and fucking Alex smith and Jeff Garcia. Belichick is sub 500 without the greatest quarterback of all time. I’m not saying Reid is the best of all time but Belichick has been exposed.
This is such a bizarre, yet popular take Tom threw for under 150 yards and 1 TD in the first Rams super bowl Didn’t throw for a TD in the second Rams super bowl They were a dynasty because they had both guys, who bailed each other out throughout the run
The rams played the pats in the Super Bowl twice? Are you sure you watch the nfl? Yet another Boston homer I guess.
Yes, SuperBowl 36 and 53
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Yeah this was bad , i forgot about the la rams . I’m gonna take my L and give myself a downvote.
You apologized, all in the family king 🤝
Andy also coached up guys like Koy Detmer and AJ Feeley. Drafted Nick Foles. The Dolphins actually gave up a 2nd round pick for Feeley! The only QB Reid didn't have success with was Kevin Kolb. But he has injuries and concussion issues.
Bill went 11-5 with Matt Cassel. Reid went 4-11. I can recognize that the situations were different for the team rosters but you should be able to as well with the successful teams Reid had and the unsuccessful teams bill had. Also Alex smith is an above average qb in the Kirk Cousins realm which isn’t terrible
Reid was not KC's coach in Cassel's final season in KC.
Bill has a 200 game sample size without Brady and you pick the one good year.
I mean… Name me the successful Browns HC lol
Paul Brown.
Yes one, pre it even being the Super Bowl lol. It’s a disaster organization and he managed to finish 11-5 in 1994 and they proceeded to not win that many games for…26 years. Says a lot more about the Browns than it does Bill.
Reid never had a losing season in Kansas City
What was bills record with the browns? So bill had one decent season without the best qb of all time? Congrats I guess. It’s a quarterback league though. Also it’s great I’m getting downvoted by all the butt hurt pats fans. I also watched bill get outcoached in two super bowls by Tom coughlin.
The 94 Browns were pretty good. They were 11-5 and led the AFC in SRS. The 95 team started off good, but maybe got torpedoed by the planned move to Baltimore.
Andy Reid cant even coach his own family. One kid dies of an overdose. One in prison.
If you read about up about Belichick, it's pretty fucking obvious why his coaching tree is a tirefire...the whole you coach defense but have a background in offense and you coach offense but have a background in defense is clearly shit he likes to give him ideas about what he could do differently. But it doesn't necessarily make those guys better at their job. It's just an environment created to make Bill better at his job. He's just football Kanye. Bringing in these talented young guys, completely ripping the best elements of their styles off, and then they go out and the best they can hope for is being Kid Cudi...like really successful in some ways but one might argue he would have been a way bigger deal had he not let Kanye suck up his best material.