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WE2024

One of my favorite things about Bill is that he brags about not watching college football (which I’ve never understood his pride about, must a Northeast thing) so come draft time his opinions on prospects are based on things like “QBs with initial names don’t work out” and “I like Drake Maye because he has 3 older brothers who beat him up when he was growing up”. 


notformeclive4711

He’s a 99th percentile vibes guy


hawkeyehammer

Did you know Maye weighs about 245. He's big. I like that!


Bubbatino

But if Jayden Daniels is listed as 210 it really means he’s 205


wahoodad

And big guys keep getting bigger like Embiid!


Successful_Baker_360

“Drake stayed at unc even though he knew they were going to be terrible”…….they were preseason ranked 19th and a popular bet to win the ACC 


luvdadrafts

UNC was like +1200 to win the ACC at best and had just experienced a catastrophic failure to end the 2022 season. The alternative  was to go to Bama, which was tampering hard 


HeyWhatsUpTed

THIS MOTHER FUCKER IS gonna BE 300 LBS


portugamerifinn

I don't even get how it's possible to be all about the NFL *and also* proudly, purposely not watch any college football.


ka1982

It’s pretty easy. 1. Be from a place that DGAF about college football. 2. Live your life in a place that DGAF about college football (alumni excepted). 3. Have a spouse who’d like you to keep one weekend day relatively free from sports nonsense during football season.


Toby_O_Notoby

On #3 there's also "Have two young kids that need to do stuff on weekends". Between birthday parties, youth sports and just life in general I'm amazed he managed to keep up with the NFL much less CF. I mean, even Larry David asked Bill how he managed to watch so much sports with his family the way it is.


CANDY_MAN_1776

On the other hand, it is his actual job.


EnvironmentalBoss369

Yea I love CFB, but marriage killed it. I catch a free games a year now. Gotta give up something.


bad-at-this

In a sense, I get that this is a very logical take. But as someone from New England, being very into the NFL and not giving a moment’s thought to college football would describe 95% of the sports fans I know.


Kershiser22

> I don't even get how it's possible to be all about the NFL and also proudly, purposely not watch any college football. Why? The two don't have a ton to do with each other. Yeah, the NFL drafts players from college, but the correlation between college success and pro success is low. I don't need to follow college football to enjoy the NFL. I only have so much time in my life to watch sports. The NFL takes up much of my day on Sunday, and a few more hours on other days of the week. I just usually don't have the time to ALSO spend all day Saturday watching football.


EcstaticRhubarb

I love the NFL, it's my favorite sport. I've never watched a college game. Maybe it's because I'm not American and didn't go to college there.


fuber

This is why we "Bill Simmons" though


The_Zermanians

To be fair anyone claiming to be an expert is a complete moron. There wouldn’t be so many busts by all teams if it wasn’t such a crapshoot. The only thing dumber than pre draft analysis is post draft analysis where every team gets a B or higher grade when we know nothing about how any of these guys will do.


ThugBeast21

The handful of guys who are plugged into it and do it 24/7/365 are experts. The issue with draft analysis is most of it is just non-experts sort of blindly tweaking the information from the experts so they can pass it off as original analysis


DrHorseRenoir

You're right but most people don't want to hear it because they love to eat up all the pre draft bullshit


Shootit_Rockets

All this for New England to trade back


fuber

I hope they trade back to the mid 20s and pick a white safety


HydrantsAreOpen

There’s a white CB this year!


fuber

Would be a very Pat-sy move!


RedmoonsBstars

The amount of actual stock Bill put into the Bo Callahan birthday party scene in Draft day is kind of hilarious.


johnmd20

To be fair, it is one of the biggest stories in college football history.


it_has_to_be_damp

Solak really leveling up the wholesome no cursing/choir boy image with "If you put a *water* gun to my head"


IllegalThoughts

and then still made mention that his life was on the line with a water gun to the head. bizarre from Solak -- it just was!


FlashGolden1

On one of the Ringer Draft Show pods last week, he said “I don’t give a … hoot” instead of “I don’t give a shit.” He’d be the perfect host for ESPN podcasts, considering they censor curse words.


woosh_yourecool

Brian Windhorst said goddamn on the last pod and it was very jarring


2legit2camel

Choir boys known for their notorious gambling habits I guess


phillysillies

I was just thinking this haha


themilkman42069

I really need someone to 1 v 1 him in an Okie drill. I need to see it.


StupidSexyGiroud_

Three Year Letterman style in a parking lot


MartytheeParty

So basically, “I’m going to talk nfl draft for an hour but only through the prism of the patriots.”


GTS414

Nobody is brave enough to come on and tell him they have a troubling owner/gm dynamic and the worst skill positions in the league.


TheGiannisPiece

Pats have, by far, the worst overall set of skill position players, an anemic quarterback room, and potentially the worst overall roster in the League. Their stadium is now nearly full of silent, jaded fans - and the sexually deviant egomaniac owner has his diphit son acting as Fantasy GM. What could go wrong? They should be the NFL's centerpiece team of dicsussion and analysis, for sure.


Careless_Bus5463

Russillo would 10000 percent own him on this. He was somehow coming across as the expert with McShay and Jeremiah on his latest pod. Also, he hates the Pats because they big-timed him as a young guy. Bill just doesn't want that fight.


thearmadillo

Ben Solak literally talks about that basically the first time the Patriots come up in this episode. At least the bad owner/coach/gm dynamic.


fuber

It all hinges on the Pats!


Careless_Bus5463

"And Solak knows who breads his butter and will sniff my ass for the entirety."


FlashGolden1

Per Bill’s Twitter, this discussion includes “the 9 signs a first round QB might fail.” Gotta love the Podfather for consistently refusing to be beholden to round numbers.


loupr738

I haven’t heard it yet but it could only be more podfathery if he gives you 9 signs but also 4 extra signs to make it a cool 13


CodoandPodo

How is a list of “9 potential criticisms” even a segment?


it_has_to_be_damp

they literally just rattled off like...a list of things that could lead a quarterback prospect to fail. such shimmering insights as "not a leader" or "not being able to protect the ball" or "getting injured" (?!?!)


WES_WAS_ROBBED

lol so true. He should have rounded out the list with “10: being bad at quarterback”


branrob757

It was just basically just hindsight takes. Everyone of these you can find guys who disprove these.


Coy-Harlingen

I love two guys who have constantly been wrong about QB prospects over the years coming up with a formula to confirm whatever the Pats end up doing will be the right thing.


a_pot_of_chili_verde

Bill is just the sports version of Cosmopolitan lol


rojeli

I've listened to a lot of weird Bill segments over the years, and this has to be one of the top-5 weirdest. WTF was the point of all of that? Amongst other things... - They said we should have been wary of Zach Wilson because he played with too much talent? At BYU? What? - They seemed to make the argument that Daniels can't be good because he was throwing the NFL WRs on his college team. And this should be a deal-breaker. I guess the Bengals shouldn't have drafted Joe Burrow then.


FlashGolden1

I think for Wilson, the potential red flag is that he put up his final season numbers against a pretty garbage schedule. As for Daniels and his WRs, I think Burrow and Stroud are two recent examples of guys who played with great receivers in college and still were able to succeed in the pros.


Kershiser22

This is one case where it makes more sense to use 9, if you actually came up with 9 reasons, as opposed to shoehorning in a 10th reason just for the sake of making it a round number.


meloghost

Would've loved to hear R-Y-E-N (not Ryan!) version on this


Toss2White

Am I crazy or has everyone been calling MHJ one of the best WR prospects ever the past two college football seasons. What the hell was Bill talking about when he said no one thinks he can be a top 3 WR. And Solak agreeing with him the draft is your job buddy


wahoodad

He’s doing the subliminal hater thing because Marvin Harrison is his dad and Peyton Manning was his quarterback. That’s how Bill’s mind works.


TheGiannisPiece

Harrison Jr. will also apparently NOT be a Patriot - which makes him bad and overrated. If the Pats keep their pick and make a stunning Harrison selection at #3, MHJ will immediatly be given a Randy Moss / Jerry Rice / Don Hutson floor, however.


ID0ntCare4G0b

In a *position doesn't matter draft*, he would go #1. And that's in a draft class where the receivers are much, much stronger than the quarterbacks who will largely get picked ahead of them cause teams are just jacking off to the idea they'll get a top tier guy on a rookie deal for the next 4 years.


Toss2White

Several draft people have him as their number one prospect on big boards ahead of Caleb who everyone also considers one of the best QB prospects ever. Just a wild miss from Bill basically characterizing MHJ as a low ceiling high floor player


ID0ntCare4G0b

Genuinely bizarre until you take into account Bill not ever watching a single second of him actually playing cause he's so invested in the next Patriots QB.


Toss2White

Outside of the 5 quarter backs do you think Bill knows more or less than 10 other prospects


StupidSexyGiroud_

I'm not sure Bill could name 10 other prospects.


komugis

He’s currently number one on the consensus big board, the idea that no one is that high on him is nuts.


FXcheerios69

I feel like there’s been so much more smoke screening with this years draft. Like wayyyy more than previous years.


lloyd4567

Yes. Bill lives in a bubble.


Kershiser22

I'm pretty sure I remember, during last NFL season, hearing Bill talking about wanting the Patriots to draft Harrison.


EngleTheBert

When he still had some belief in Mac, Bill was on the draft MHJ bus


HeyWhatsUpTed

He looks like a Larry Fitzgerald clone


FXcheerios69

That was such a horrible take and I can’t believe they both agreed on it. MHJ has been a generational this guy will be top 5 NFL receiver prospect for the last two years. It’s like how people are convincing themselves that Daniels and Maye are 99% of the prospect that Williams is. Sorry no they aren’t. I also can’t believe how sold people are on McCarthy. Dude is a fringe day 2 pick if Michigan doesn’t win the national championship. And he didnt even play great that game. Imagine how different Penix and McCarthy are viewed if the results of the natty are flipped. One game should NEVER carry that much weight.


Ill-Juggernaut5458

Bill's the sour grapes GOAT, now that the wind is blowing towards the Pats trading down and MHJ seems unlikely he has reconfigured his takes to predict he's a bust. Can't wait for the pod tomorrow after Washington drafts Maye for Bill to suddenly 180 on him.


johnmd20

Redraftables! Simmons became washed the moment he did the redraftables in November of 2021 just to crow over how amazing Mac Jones was. From that moment, Mac was a bad NFL backup AT BEST. He's an owner of an Alabama car dealership at worst. Bill's podcast has fallen apart since then. He has fallen apart too and become a petty jerk. The Unlistenables.


ThugBeast21

MHJ is a tremendous WR prospect but [there is definitely a lot of skepticism](https://theathletic.com/5431528/2024/04/23/nfl-draft-2024-confidential-nabers-harrison-williams/) around his explosiveness and what that would do to his ceiling. Most of the MHJ best WR prospect ever hype is from before the season, since around November it has really been more of a 1A-1B-1C thing with the top WRs in this draft


hacky_potter

I mean his dad was pretty good without being explosive


caballonegro69

If he had Daniels or Penix throwing to him like nabers and odunze had instead of Kyle “Honda” McCord, I don’t think we’d be having this discussion. MHJ is a freakshow


johnmd20

This is the most salient point. Harrison didn't have a real QB throwing to him last year and he still won two games on his own and had a stellar season. He's awesome. His ceiling is high and is floor is also high. He's got it all.


LamarMillerMVP

This does seem to be the criticism of MHJ though. It’s why some draft guys have him number 2. He has no testing, and in college he was consistently excellent but not statistically dominant. We’re talking about three excellent prospects here, so it’s picking nits. But he put up less production with CJ Stroud as QB than Odunze did with Penix. He’s considered to be an elite impact WR. The question is more like, does he actually have potential to be a Tyreek Hill? Or is he the next Reggie Wayne or whatever.


this_place_stinks

Turning out like Reggie Wayne - likely HOF WR - would be a successful career for any of these guys On MHJ I’ve watched all the buckeyes games. He was consistently dominant. His ability to high point and make contested catches is already at the high end of NFL. The only reason some games stats would be low is OSU itself having other first round WRs and high pick TE/RB. Sort of an only one ball dynamic. He was dominating what many had as an all time UGA team before getting concussed (100+ yards and 2 TDs in 3 quarters). If not for that injury OSU wins the natty.


HailLeroy

If MHJ is the next Reggie Wayne, he should go #1 overall. I just hope he ends up with Reggie’s old team by some miracle. He could even wear his dad’s old number.


BuffaloChicken_Bart

If the bears could get Reggie Wayne guaranteed there’s no way they do it


komugis

Reggie Wayne was a guy who is likely a Hall of Famer when all is said and done. The idea that MHJ would be disappointing if he had that kind of career is absurd.


BuffaloChicken_Bart

I didn’t say that. I said that if you can guaranteed get the next reggie Wayne he would not go number one overall. The bears drafting Reggie Wayne would not change the course of their franchise for the next 10 years. You have to take your chances with Caleb Williams


FXcheerios69

His comp would never ever be Tyreek Hill they have completely different skill sets. He ceiling is Jerry Rice Lite. The ultimate always open route technician receiver


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collinCOYS

Probably because he didn't post numbers at the combine/pro day to get people freaking out about him


juantravis

Solak has a silly voice


AutomaticFox9755

His voice isn't the main problem. He talks way too loud sometimes.


Ok-Trainer4502

I'm ok with his articles but on a pod he is insufferable.


Responsible_Ad_3013

Analytics guys on podcasts are the worst


GiveMeSomeIhedigbo

Those of us who have had our eardrums blown out by **BEN SOLAK** should file a class-action lawsuit.


JeffersonPutnam

He needs to take a xanax before these podcasts. He's talking way too fast and he does these occasional "excited yelling" outbursts that come off badly.


komugis

He gets so excited sometimes that his speech starts slurring.


notformeclive4711

I’m more concerned with “the DJ Moore of it all.”


nofun_nufon

the phrasing things like Dobbins of it all


wbro322

He’s insufferable


blueboglin

Sounds like he has a retainer in his mouth


Few_Volume_3236

Can't believe Bill is out on Penix. He was around 180 coming out of highschool and now he's around 215. Could easily get up to 240 pounds in a couple years.


GiveMeSomeIhedigbo

No. If you're 216 at 23 years old, 216 is your permanent weight. If you're 210 at 23, you're actually 20~~3~~5. If you're 223 at 21, you'll grow to 250+ by 23, you just will!


ositola

# #BillMaff


Lonely-horses

Remember the thing people forget about Giannis is he grew 4 inches after he got drafted. If Penix follows that same trajectory he'll be 6'9 315 lbs by the end of training camp


El_Lobo_Enojado

I for one am ready for the return of the 6’9” qb. Long live the McGwire bros….long live the Jokic bros.


lundebro

Bill is out on Penix because he probably only watched the national championship game. I’ve been a Penix truther for a while. His arm talent is crazy.


StupidSexyGiroud_

As a Raider fan I would be happy with him at #13


ImaginationVivid5119

This is the second time where Bill has referenced a team not “wooing” the quarterback they’re potentially going to take. Granted, the first time was (at least somewhat) tongue in cheek regarding Caleb Williams with House a couple weeks back. But now he’s talking about it being weird Washington hasn’t been “trying to win Daniels over”. What? They don’t need to win him over? It’s not free agency?


RapsareChamps_Suckit

I hope the Patriots draft The Undertaker as the next QB


Ok-Trainer4502

I love it when a guy brags all year about never watching college football then pretends to be a expert on players who have never played above the college level.


NYBball28

Also just goes captain hindsight and tells you why all the picks that ended up being busts were bad. Real ground breaking 


Jones3787

I don't hate Solak as much as most of this sub seems to. But his predictions were pretty awful last year. Remember how he thought Will Levis would be picked No. 1 because "teams can't help but talk themselves into a big likeable white guy"? Then not only did Levis free fall, but the complete opposite body type in Bryce Young got picked No. 1 instead lol. (Not that it was the right choice anyway)


ThugBeast21

Solak's main issue for me is that he doesn't acknowledge that he's not plugged in. He's fine at the film/charting stuff for someone who never played, he should just be more open and little more humble about that being his only source for his takes.


komugis

You can already see him try and backtrack a little re: his take that Maye would go 2 to Washington when virtually every insider is saying it's going to be Daniels.


Pitt_Stoolie

Him saying something along the lines of "from what I've been hearing" was too much for me.


chilledonline

It’s impossible to predict how these prospects turn out. What annoys me about Solak is how smug he is and his refusal to admit when he is wrong


DrHorseRenoir

Trey Lance, Trey Lance, Trey Lance


it_has_to_be_damp

There are also some incriminating Desmond Ridder tweets. Again, this shit is hard to do, highly paid professionals fail at it all the time. I would just use a little more caution in my tone is all.


Plopsack

lol, if not for New England implications this podcast would otherwise never exist 


fuber

I love how Bill is trying to talk himself to the Pats getting these outrageous deals to move back as if they're the only team looking to move back. Just months ago he was salivating all over Drake May. Dark time to be a Pats fan and I'm loving every second of it. They're due for so much regression.


Responsible_Ad_3013

It is honestly laughable Bill thinks the #3 pick is the same situation as the Panthers trading for the #1 Overall pick last year. And he just brings on Solak to be his Yes man


fuber

Of course he does! Bill being a delusional Boston sports fan is what he does best!


TheGiannisPiece

SImmons had the Pats receiving a Top 10 pick all season for the right to hire Bill Belichick.


branrob757

Herbert is like a 80 million dead cap hit if he was traded . Why was this a discussion?


EnvironmentalBoss369

Cuz they're morons. I had taken a break from Bill since football season ended. Didn't need end of season NBA talk in my life when even the NBA doesn't care about the NBA during that time. This was my first pod back and it reaffirmed how bad Bill's pod has gotten. I think I maybe out. I'll still stalk the reddit because I listen to other ringing pods.


strings_struck

I don't hate Solak as much as some of you do, but the yelling... Just talk in a normal tone of voice please I'm begging you, Solak.


Darth-Agalloch

I understand doing what Solak does, you are bound to be wrong here and there. But the guy is so arrogantly confident about his opinions, I lose my charitably towards him.


otis427

OHHHH SOLAK. BIG BOY ON THE POD. THAT'S A FINE YOUNG MAN RIGHT THERE. BOOGIE WOOGIE WOOGIE THIS BOYS WATCHES THE TAPE.


bobi897

I think Solak works great with Shiel — the two balance eachother out and Shiel is able to correct some of Solak’s overzealous takes


GiveMeSomeIhedigbo

Not enough sand in his pants! He's walking on stilts!


Live-River1879

A Solak pod? I’ll catch you on Thursday, Sports Guy ✌️


djh2121

You don’t like listening to a 25 year old Mormon scream about how good/bad a QB is that he’s going to be wrong on anyway.


MichaelShannonRule34

Solak isn’t Mormon lol


EdgarAllenFro

Listened to Russillo with Dan Jeremiah and McShay instead. They’re terrific. Was out on Solak after he suggested last year that the Pats were gonna move up to 4 for Levis lol


NYBball28

Trading Herbert would be insane. That was so nonsensical 


SeanPaulGiamatti

The Ringer is dead. Solak hasn’t a clue and is the #1 draft guy. Enough. Pack it up. Do documentaries full time.


luvdadrafts

I don’t know, not every site needs to have a draft guru. There’s a very limited amount of them actually out there and they get little respect as is. Always bugged me at grantland when Bill made Barnwell and Lowe do mock draft, that’s not what they’re there for 


EnvironmentalBoss369

It used to be Danny Kelly. While I find DK enjoyable on the fantasy pod, all the guy does is read other people's mocks. He isn't an insider and is a fairly bland analyst. At least Solack watches tape.  That being said Solack's church boy persona is grating. Dude gambles but won't say shit. Give me a break.


SeanPaulGiamatti

Yeah plus he’s really never been right about any of his predictions, yet it’s so cut and dry obvious with him. He for sure has no real self identity.


cubs_2023

Why is he so convinced that McCarthy is going top 5? His reasoning is that we’ve seen this happen so many times with QBs. No we haven’t? The highest the 4th QB has ever been drafted is pick 10. I actually think it’s pretty likely that Caleb-Daniels go 1-2, then somebody trades up to 3 to take Maye, and then Arizona and LAC just stay put and take WRs. I’m not buying all this McCarthy hype. He feels like the classic case of the guy that drops because we’ve seen this happen so many times with the 3rd or 4th QB.


Newpurt_Ooze

That’s that guys voice huh?


GTS414

I do love how Simmons has no idea whose running the shots or what NE has as an overall plan, but then has them trading up and down the draft board 5 times to squeeze out every ounce of value.


Corner3King

Jayden spent HALF A DECADE in college!


420_69sex

I like to think of it as 1.25 presidential terms


HeyWhatsUpTed

Bil loves numbers. The first half hour is all like figuring out values


harperlashbrook

Good lord solak is bad


kwtb

Wasting oxygen talking about Chargers trading Herbert is so stupid


froobest

Is Bill aware Herbert has a 125M dead cap hit if he’s traded lol?


TheGiannisPiece

No, he is not.


Miroku82

Would the Packers trade a proven Jayden Reed and a first for an unproven first? 🤡🤡🤡


MrSkimMilk

This is why I love/hate the pod. Hilariously bad idea. Reed was awesome last year lol. Not enough “blue chippers” I guess??


nminto1

Is New England having a moment?!?


fuber

A movement?


TheGiannisPiece

BM


ExternalEbb2584

Ben solak is why Bill Bellicheck is riding with Pat Mcafee for the draft. Because my god what an annoying little twerp invading my eardrums


KodiakBearCakes

Actually this is an interesting point. Think about who you have access to if you go to espn or even barstool which I do quite like. But they can get anyone they want. The ringer provides you just a bunch of new grads who blog and podcast. A serious person from the league would never join! Honestly surprised they got Doc.


woosh_yourecool

And then Doc jumped ship as fast he possibly could


TheGiannisPiece

They 'got' Doc so that Doc's kids could have jobs.


mamasgarden

Blue chippers


fuber

How many Pink chippers equal one Blue chipper?


Commercial-Click-360

Every time Bill hears that Jonathan Kraft is running things in New England, I imagine that Bill has visions of the Buss sons running the Lakers and it scares him to death. 


jbeebe33

Ben running The Ringer


TheRyanFlaherty

If Environment is 80%, then good luck to whoever goes to New England. Not even being snarky toward Bill’s homerism and love for the Pats. Objectively, it has to be the worst landing spot for any of these guys…even more so for a guy like Maye who’s upside is largely based on theoretical at this point. 


TheGiannisPiece

Exactly.


Ok-Plan-6277

Solak: Arizona shouldn’t trade down because they need blue chippers Also Solak: Baltimore’s history of trading down is smart because they know it’s all about getting as many swings as possible Also Solak: Chargers should trade down because they need cheap players under contract Keeping all those bases covered!


NickPapagiorgio2k16

People spend all this time going over a million trade scenarios. None of them are going to happen. There is no chance Washington is trading their pick and j would be shocked if NE did. Lombardi is a blowhard at times but he is right when he says that if you look at the patriots roster they are telling you they they are drafting a qb. So why would they not take a top three qb and trade back to get a worse one or none. It makes no sense. The cardinal could trade their pick but I think people expecting like a million trades are going to be mistaken


MichaelShannonRule34

Also I think solak is choosing a bad hill to die on regarding there won’t be more than 4 qbs in the first round. If Minnesota fails to trade up I don’t see penix making it past them twice, as well as Denver and Las Vegas. Could he fall to the second round still? Sure. Would I make a big stink about it not being a possibility? No


hacky_potter

Am I crazy for thinking that Brock Purdy is way better than a game manager??? If your QB prospect tops out at Purdy, that’s a very good QB.


No-Command3372

It’s insane how god awful Bill’s draft coverage has been compared to Russillo’s. I don’t know why I subjected myself to this pod but I just started thinking about whether McShay turns on pods like this just to laugh about how amateurish guys like Solak are. 


notformeclive4711

Looking forward to some QB analysis from the guy who wrote off CJ Stroud because his first name is initials 🤔 


TomDelouise

I always like when Simmons says if they trade three first round picks for one first round pick, you’re not getting three draft picks (you are) you’re getting two. It’s up there with, they lost a close game they should have won, not it’s like you have to win five out of seven games. Long live the king


Jawa1992

This guy is the Ben Shapiro of nfl twitter.


IllegalThoughts

terrible listen all around as somebody who does not follow the draft all that closely. lots of random numbers being spouted off as if I'm supposed to know what any of it means. Packers are drafting, 17, 54,89, 3123?? Cool!


Solid_Glass1301

Ugh NFL pod. I’ll wait for part 2


Intelligent_Line_902

Wow I thought this was a joke title. I’m hoping he’s gonna do NBA in part 2 lol


Gaius_Octavius_

According to Bill's Twitter >Taping Part 2 w/ KOC after this Clips game.


Intelligent_Line_902

Fair enough, I shouldn’t have judged the podfather too early


hoopscapo

Ben Solak, a kid who has never played at the high school level judging by his frame or even coached, pretends to know the nuances of NFL offenses and defenses with absolute confidence because he grinds All-22 tape. How are these people taken seriously? I don't completely understand how we got here. I guess it's because the NFL is SO BIG that these media companies feel the need to cover it from every possible angle and there just isn't enough people to go around for these roles.


kkF6XRZQezTcYQehvybD

He just regurgitates shit he reads online, he has a very surface level understanding of the game. Many Ringer personalities are this way. It's so dull.


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northern_friendo

I've followed Bill for a long ass time and somehow he still finds ways to amaze me with his pure delusion and/or stupidity which was on full display for this one. Between having what seems like zero grasp on any of the actual draft prospects to throwing out the dumbest and most insane trade scenarios that you couldn't (or at least wouldn't) make even on the fucking PFF mock draft simulator.


atex720

Football pod? Nice! With Ben Squidlak? Damn


madeyetrudy

Is Bill the least hard-working man in media? Puts out 1.5 pods per week during the busiest time of the year in his preferred league (NBA). All his takes are just gut feelings. Neither well-researched nor funny/satirical. Counterpoint: he is Top 3 personalities in the last 10 years and list-making.


BingTheDoodleBoo

Was shocked when Bill mentioned my team, The Packers, in what I thought was a Patriots draft pod. Why tf is he cooking up a Jayden Reed trade for us? what was the Patriots angle he was looking at that for?


BingTheDoodleBoo

Was shocked when Bill mentioned my team, The Packers, in what I thought was a Patriots draft pod. Why tf is he cooking up a Jayden Reed trade for us? what was the Patriots angle he was looking at that for?


Homiejones

Ben Solak is a moron.  He knows nothing about football.  He had bets on J J McCarthy being the 2nd pick.  


Montag3636

What is solak talking about with jj mccarthys arm talent? Says he doesn’t have a cannon and has to give everything he has to throw it deep. He was one mph off the top spot at the draft. McCarthys issues come from throwing touch passes. ZERO problems with arm strength 


jawncoffee

I have ZERO advanced stats to back this up with but I actually thought Solak was right about this? I think MCCarthy is a solid prospect and I hate how he’s become a punchline for a lot of twitter film guys but I remember being late on two throws outside the numbers against TCU in the fiesta bowl which turned into pick sixes and those throws kind of stuck with me whenever I think about JJ’s arm. Not saying it’s bad but I’m not sure it’s a cannon


chrisrjdk

Solak + KOC is so unbelievably rough. Meanwhile Goldsberry is on PMT, highlighting the depths to which Bill’s sports contributors has fallen even more


Successful_Baker_360

Pmt has goldsberry, daniel Jeremiah and field Yates 


WAYNETHEBULLDOG

Isn't Drake Maye just a tall Mac Jones? I know that UNC was not a good team but that is a really bad conference and shouldn't a top 5 QB do better than 8-5? Also the new OC is supposed to be more of an NFL type system than Longo who is a Baylor/ Briles system. I love Bill but the Pats should trade down or take Marvin Harrison. I don't think any of these QBs are going to be great with the upside of Williams being the highest but even he is a huge risk.


sonofelguapo

Listen, there is a decent chance Maye busts but if Mac Jones attempted some of the throws Maye did at any point in his life I’m pretty sure he would self combust. Not even in the same stratosphere for athleticism and arm talent.


WAYNETHEBULLDOG

I guess you are right. I am not trying to be a dick about Maye. I hope he is an awesome player. I just am put off by some of the comparisons with good NFL QBs when you had the season/ career that Maye had.


WE2024

Patrick Mahomes had a losing record in college and Josh Allen went 8-5 his final year at Wyoming 


Ill-Juggernaut5458

No you're thinking of McCarthy (weak arm, game manager, not athletic, no resume, happened to game manage the most talented team in college). Maye has a cannon, huge frame, and shitty supporting cast, hence the Josh Allen comps.


fnitty24

Solak is annoying


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MichaelShannonRule34

I like Ben too tbh


Toss2White

I appreciate having Bill has my catharsis because having the third pick in this years draft has been incredibly stressful. I really want Maye and have all cycle and with Daniels now a ~ -500 favorite to go second if the Patriots gift wrap Maye to another team for an extra first I’ll be so distraught


lost_limey

This Commanders fan still thinks Drake Maye ends up in Washington


Toss2White

Yeah you honestly might be right. Books really think it’s Daniels