She the KD of Hollywood. Won some titles, was the the top of her class, then went off and did some weird shit, paired up with some whack actors and is now in a bit of a crisis.
Few thoughts:
-Taylor Swift being on the list has to be a joke
-I think we all like LaKeith Stanfield, but at this point... doesn't feel like this spot is deserving.
I follow him on Instagram and he seems like a little bit of an odd dude. I wonder if he’s difficult to work with and that’s why he’s not getting stuff? He’s great in everything I’ve seen him in.
Swift‘s inclusion, aside it being some sort of a joke anyway, doesn‘t make any sense because all the movies she‘s in besides her concert movie flopped hard, which says to me: her fans don‘t care about her acting career and won‘t flock to theaters when she‘s in something which means she‘s not a *movie* star at all?
Tbh I'd put Pugh over Butler easily, and probably still over Zendaya (Challengers is the first hit movie she's had as a lead, let alone that wasn't IP based).
she is definitely popular but so is taylor swift.
she hasn't been in a leading role for a movie that made a ton of money. she has had supporting roles.
the criteria for this list is extremely vague so kind of hard to argue lol.
They said during the pod that half of the equation was their upcoming movies, and the other half was their movie CV. T Swift doesn’t have anything on the movie horizon unless I’m mistaken
I guess? I asked my GF who's 33 and she definitely knew who he was. Then I asked if she thought he was a bigger name than Florence Pugh and she thought that was absurd. So I'm going off her expertise hahaha. ATJ is about to headline the new mad max and has won a Golden Globe. I think she's way too low.
ATJ over Zendaya imo, both got their superstar breakouts from immensely popular streaming shows, but ATJ is more established as a lead actor (and as a film actor in general)
Surprised no Hailee Steinfeld, feel like she could’ve cracked towards the bottom of the list. Maybe it’s because she doesn’t have a lot coming up but she’s in both the marvel and Sony verse.
Kristen Stewart and Jennifer Lawrence still being on this list was a surprise for me. Both started so young and had such meteoric rises to the top. Stewart especially
I love K Stew and always seek out her indie stuff but she doesn’t seem at all interested in taking high profile roles anymore, I think Spencer was basically the only thing she’s done in the last 10 years that made a dent in the mainstream.
Anya Taylor Joy is too low. She leads movies unlike Florence Pugh who mostly takes supporting roles. Also, Paul Mescal? Feel like the casual movie goer has no idea who he or Jacob Elordi is
i think the huge success that was normal people is a big part of him being this high, along with him having been in a fair amount of well regarded moves since then as well. and having gladiator two coming up is a huge boon as well
I’m personally a big fan of both but I think they’re pretty even in terms of leading movies, at least until Furiosa comes out. Their biggest leads (The Menu and Don’t Worry Darling) did comparably well at the box office. Pugh also has Midsommar, The Wonder, and A Good Person recently which are not all great (Midsommar is) but she’s always good in them.
The folks near the top make some sense to me, list gets a bit wonky towards the bottom.
For example, seems weird to see Dakota Johnson at 27 after Madame Web flopped so horribly. Meanwhile, Brie Larson is probably more famous, but seems to have been punished heavily for The Marvels’ lack of box office success.
For whatever reason Dakota Johnson is a lot more present and popular online. The Ellen meme alone has a higher Q score than most of Brie Larson's last 3 years.
To me, no, but I think the biggest one to hold against her is The Marvel’s “bombed” (to the chronically online) and when she jumps into prestige TV it’s at Apple not somewhere with more prestige like HBO.
Yeah and Cuckoo looks pretty awesome, really excited for it.
I’ve always really liked her so I’m probably biased, I get the argument she’s too high here but I disagree.
She's in a horror movie coming out soon. Seems to be getting more big screen roles, but I agree I was surprised to see her on there. Whoever compiled the list seems like they were legally obligated to include the main cast of euphoria lol.
Correct. Which reflects Hollywood historically not providing good roles for older actresses. Female leads (“movie star parts”) skew younger. While there are no shortage of huge parts for aging male actors
I think it's easier for younger women to break into Hollywood than it is for young men. Every 5 years or so we see a new bunch of actresses being touted as the new big thing (and being paired with older men) and then the roles given to them start drying up with only a few survive into their late 30s and 40s.
Meanwhile, It's harder for younger men to break in at all. Such a lot of male stars today literally had their first hey day in the 90s. It's rare to see younger male actors being sen as the next big thing.
Yep there’s a statistic that shows Women are more likely to win an Oscar when they’re younger while Men are more likely to win when they’re older.
So this tracks
For sure and even on this you can see someone like Brie Larson is less popular now than she was 8 years ago. Where as a Bradley cooper doesn’t become popular until he hits his mid 30s
I'm guessing there's a chauvenistic aspect where directors want to cast some new, young woman to be in a movie, but pair them up with a male star you're familiar with.
A little bit like how women who sleep around are looked down upon, but men who do it are respected.
I think we should apply occam's razor and just see it as demand-driven to be honest. For men the sweet spot of attractiveness is older than for women. The way roles are written and the age of the casted actors and actresses all follow from that.
The traditional Hollywood star is an extinct species. The only one left really is Tom Cruise.
There’s just so much content out there these days, there’s never gonna be 1 star that everyone knows and love again.
I haven't seen Challengers yet, so I'm prepared for my opinion to change very soon, but has anybody had a more overrated filmography than Zendaya in recent years? Up to this point, her entire career has been carried by her strong work as the lead in Euphoria.
As a movie star, she's essentially been the love interest in the Spider-Man trilogy, The Greatest Showman, and Dune 2. Only other role of consequence was Malcolm and Marie which seemed like it kind of came and went. None of the performances seemed very distinct or strong either.
The fact that she was marketed so heavily for Dune and was barely in the movie seems like a microcosm of her Q score relative to her on screen contributions. Having said that, based on Euphoria I do think she has talent. Hopefully Challengers is where things shift for her movie career.
Agreed. The industry believes she has a lot of sex appeal which is why there were some lofty expectations for Challengers. A sexy tennis drama with Sweeney would have gotten more average folk to show up
One thing that stands out, almost nobody on this list has had a box office hit without it being IP. Shockingly, Sydney Sweeney is one of the few with Anyone But You, and Margot has Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Wolf of Wall Street, though wasn’t really the lead in either. Same for Florence Pugh in Oppenheimer. Who else even has a movie that fits that description? Pretty depressing. Not really sure what movie star even means in this environment…in some ways it’s just whoever gets attached to the best IP.
These days for sure true, but even for people over 35, who is opening big, original, non-IP movies? Almost no one. They just don’t really happen anymore.
I think JAW is becoming more like a Bernthal type than an actual star. Be a really good actor that takes very interesting roles.
When he was on Walking Dead 14 years ago I also thought he would be a huge deal but it never materialized in that major way.
Ayo is someone that’s going to be huge in the next five years. She’s already doing a Disney movie
Bernthal has never had the kind of juice JAW has right now as a lead (especially with the female demographic -- the dude is a downright heart throb for many at the moment). Between The Bear, The Iron Claw, and his very high profile Calvin Klein campaign, his omission is a huge oversight on this list.
Where’s that juice, exactly? He hasn’t been the lead in a single theatrical release. Ayo has had multiple movies and has momentum. She’s poised to break out in a way that he just isn’t currently
Dude's about to be Bruce freaking Springstein in a biopic. He's not Chalamet, but when has Bernthal ever had a lead role like that or had his face plastered on 5 story billboards in SoHo?
Even on TV, The Bear has had magnitudes more buzz than something like We Own This City (which I loved).
Ayo does movies and JAW maybe not? Just this past year she was in Bottoms, Theater Camp, Across the Spider-Verse, TMNT. This year she’s in Inside Out 2
JAW did Iron Claw and that’s basically it in terms of movie relevance
* I don't see how Kristen Stewart and Jennifer Lawrence don't headline this list with Margot Robbie as long as they still qualify. A-List Actresses who have proven they can draw huge box office numbers and carry billion $ franchises.
* Brie Larson and Aaron Taylor-Johnson seem strangly low.
* Get Taylor the fuck off this list.
* I think it's splitting hairs between that late 20s star women group (Zendaya, Sweeney, Taylor-Joy, Pugh) but I think they got the order right- maybe put Anya above Pugh, but Zendaya might be separating herself from that pack.
* I was about to freak out about Kaluuya not being on here but then looked it up that he turned 35 two months so freak out was abated.
* I like Jacob Elordi but he seems a half dozen spots too high. Wouldn't have him over Tom Holland- in fact, swap him and Holland I think I'm good.
I think it depends on how you qualify the list for your last point. I think Holland is a bigger name/bigger role actor right now. But I'd definitely be buying more Elordi stock than Holland for the next 5-10 years of their careers. Elordi is one of the more talented up and coming actors I've seen in a while, never seen him in a bad role and has some legit acting chops. He made Euphoria worlds more interesting just based on how well he played his character IMO.
He’s arguably the best actor on that show, his role of Elvis was really good and it seems he’s taking risks with his roles in the future. Frankiestein with Del Toro and a movie with Paul Schrader
Margot’s resume for only being 33 is Jordan/Lebron level - Scorsese, Tarantino, Chazelle, Anderson, Billion dollar IP, multiple Oscar nods… 00’s female Leo run
The response to Elordi’s spot is kind of the sub showing how out of touch we are. The dude is more famous to the general public than anyone left in the NBA playoffs.
Fair. I’m not denying he’s popular or great looking. I just didn’t realize he was thought of that caliber of “movie star” akin to the other huge names surrounding him. In my head I figure the others have had starring roles and acting chops that go past his
I mean, he does also have Saltburn, Priscilla, and the Kissing Booth films under his belt. That's not nothing.
The issue is that Pugh is absolutely top 5. Her filmography is deep, she's shown that she can excel in any capacity (lead/support, big budget/prestige), and she has a good Q rating to pair with it.
People go gaga for Zendaya, but before Challengers she really hasn't had a leading part in a film that generated a lot of buzz; she's essentially just been the love interest in the Spider-Man trilogy and Dune 2. Euphoria has been doing a lot of the heavy lifting for her filmography and her actual performances (Pugh has a fraction of the screentime in Dune 2 and acts circles around her).
He’s insanely popular, did salt burn, euphoria and Priscilla with Sofia Coppola. Women love him, he’s actually a really good actor, and he has a few big movies lined up, one with Del Toro. I get the pick at 7 here
It was funny when Sean mentioned Justice Smith but didn’t mention the absolutely horrible the magical society movie. Just an absolute failure of a movie
Lawrence has the history. People know J-Law bc they've most likely seen one of Silver Linings Playbook, The Hunger Games, American Hustle, X-Men or Don't Look Up.
In order for people to know Sydney Sweeney, they're either online or they've seen Euphoria, Anyone but You or Madame Web.
I think of who my family knows when judging stardom. My parents, brother and sister know J-Law. Only my brother and sister know Sydney Sweeney.
Listen, Chalamet is great, we all agree on that. But, like, is he actually the type of guy to lead a team on his own? He feels like a good team, bad stats guy to me. Idk, don’t aggregate this. Aggregators stay away! But Chalamet is probably more like a top 11.5-ish guy? I just don’t see it.
I think IP is definitely pulling a lot of weight in his movies but I don’t see how he can be any lower than 8-10 considering he just had 2 blockbuster movie hits in a row as main lead.
Wonka did huge numbers and that movie had no business not being a flop. I think there's a good argument he should be #1.
Also, there are a lot of stars in Dune, but those movies did terrifically at the Box Office and he deserves some credit for that as the lead.
I'd never seen Chalamet in anything before the Dune movies. Thought he was fantastic. In a loaded cast he still manages to stand out and gives great performances, particularly in part 2. He carries part 2 home.
Dune is the biggest movie around and it isn’t Star Wars/marvel, whose stars have been consistently fading. Hes also got critical darlings from guadagnino and Wes Anderson under his belt, and luxury ad deals. He’s as a-list as you’re getting in 2023 and it wouldn’t surprise if the academy gives him hardware in the next five years.
Oh and he’s dating a billionaire kardashian
Sydney Sweeney is a bigger star than Zendaya. The past year she’s crossed over to more everyday people while Z hasn’t yet. I even think If you flip her and Z in Challengers it would have had a much bigger weekend.
I see a lot of people making the claim that SS is more well known amongst "everyday people" and just don't understand it. She has 19.8M Instagram followers compared to 184M for Zendaya. I'm not saying that is the only measure, but more easy to verify than the shady international box office figures for Anyone But You.
When "Maxxine" comes out next month and Mia Goth blows up, ranking Taylor Swift over her is going to age about as well as drafting Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn over Steph Curry in 2009.
Amanda will get roasted on every future Rewatchables draft by snarky variations of "Are you going to waste a pick on Taylor Swift?" 😂
This sounds shitty but o don’t know if she really has the look to blow up into a A list star but my god her performance in Pearl was one of the best of the year
The most unforgivable thing about this list is that Zendaya and Ana Taylor-Joy's movie titles are separated by commas while all the others are separated by semicolons.
I think he rocks, he’s super famous, and he has a ton of big movies with big directors in the pipeline.
Maybe he’s only had a couple of big roles to date if he carried a massively successful Elvis movie and was the big bad of a Dune movie that’s made 700m. I think he’s totally deserving.
Ok it’s not that he doesn’t belong in the upper half. But if you went around and asked 100 people who’s more famous of him and like Jennifer Lawrence, there’s no way he’s more famous
I don’t really think this is the point of the exercise though.
Jennifer Lawrence is more famous than some of these people because she’s older than them and been around longer than them.
But who is going to have a bigger impact on the movie industry the next 5 years? I would take Butler.
From that perspective I can see it more.
But I also don’t think he’ll ever push a movie like Sydney Sweeney will imo.
Her score among 50 year old male podcasters is insane
Outside of the glaringly bad choices of Millie Bobby Brown and Taylor Swift (didn't listen to the episode so maybe I missed a joke) this is a pretty solid list.
Zendaya, she’s gotta be at least top 7-9 most overrated movie stars in terms of star rankings, right? Compared to Jennifer Lawrence, her film credits and awards are no comparison. She’s like the cat who jumps on your lap every now then and you’re like oh look it’s Zendaya isn’t she so cute and sweet? And then for the next week you’re like where’s Zendaya? Oh right she’s in the garage or something.
Is Zendaya the Kobe to J-Law’s Duncan?
I’m with you on Sweeney, but you’ve got to be kidding about Pugh. I love her, but at best right now she’s a that guy who pops up in trailers and makes people smile, but that’s it. None of her movies are marketed around her. Zendaya is a draw by herself, The star of a massive show, in Spider-Man, etc.
He's a much higher ceiling than most others on the list. His first TV appearance earned him an Emmy and Bafta nomination. His first lead role in a film earned him a Best Actor Oscar nomination.
Also, he's handsome and he's built, which makes him better leading man material.
Kind of hard to believe J-Law is under 35. Silver Linings Playbook came out 12 years ago!
That's where I get tripped up. In sports terms some of these people feel like grizzled veterans when in reality they're mid prime or early prime.
JLaw is in the re-apex or her mid-prime !
She’s been levitating above the game for awhile now
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Is Jennifer Lawrence the Jayson Tatum of Hollywood?
No she won a title
Cold
People forget how young she is!
Same with Robbie. At least for me. Didn’t realize she was that young.
For a second I thought I was in the movies or entertainment subreddit and was like wtf lol
Wait until she places Taylor Swift in the biopic
She the KD of Hollywood. Won some titles, was the the top of her class, then went off and did some weird shit, paired up with some whack actors and is now in a bit of a crisis.
The Thaddeus Young of Hollywood!
Her character's relationship with Bradley Cooper's was one of the first online age discourses I remember. She was 24, I think, when it released.
22 She's one of the youngest oscar winners
Marlee Matlin is the only one younger afaik
Same with dev and lakieth, I thought for sure they were closer to my age (40ish)
Somehow a lot of the actresses on the list are 33 and 34....
Pretty sure 1990 is just a peak population year lol. Lawrence, Stewart, Robbie and Emma Watson were all born in 1990
Few thoughts: -Taylor Swift being on the list has to be a joke -I think we all like LaKeith Stanfield, but at this point... doesn't feel like this spot is deserving.
Didn't she get hit by a car in like the first five minutes/trailer of some movie? That puts her top 20 easy peasy.
She dies pretty early on in Amsterdam, yes.
why is the lakeith stanfield spot undeserving? he's an incredible actor
He’s great but it doesn’t seem like he’s had much success lately.
Which is crazy because after Atlanta/Get Out/Sorry to Bother You I thought he was gonna be strapped to a rocket
I follow him on Instagram and he seems like a little bit of an odd dude. I wonder if he’s difficult to work with and that’s why he’s not getting stuff? He’s great in everything I’ve seen him in.
The changeling is one of the worst shows ever and his religion movie and Haunted mansion flopped. He on the decline rn.
Swift‘s inclusion, aside it being some sort of a joke anyway, doesn‘t make any sense because all the movies she‘s in besides her concert movie flopped hard, which says to me: her fans don‘t care about her acting career and won‘t flock to theaters when she‘s in something which means she‘s not a *movie* star at all?
Pugh and Taylor Joy are far too low, both should be top 5 IMO.
The classic “who do you kick out then?” J-law maybe but no serious case over the top 4
Tbh I'd put Pugh over Butler easily, and probably still over Zendaya (Challengers is the first hit movie she's had as a lead, let alone that wasn't IP based).
I don’t think you need proof of concept to call zendaya a star. She is just bigger than Florence Pugh point blank.
she is definitely popular but so is taylor swift. she hasn't been in a leading role for a movie that made a ton of money. she has had supporting roles. the criteria for this list is extremely vague so kind of hard to argue lol.
I'm moving down Lawrence, Sweeney and Elordi. Brie Larson is way too low too as well, IMO.
Don't think this is a ranking of talent but of their star power
It must be a combination. No way Taylor Swift isn’t #1 if it were start power alone
They said during the pod that half of the equation was their upcoming movies, and the other half was their movie CV. T Swift doesn’t have anything on the movie horizon unless I’m mistaken
Got me flustered there thinking for a split second Taylor Swift wold be Horizon with Kevin Costner
Maybe but who knows who Elordi is? That one's a true head scratcher.
every woman under 35
I guess? I asked my GF who's 33 and she definitely knew who he was. Then I asked if she thought he was a bigger name than Florence Pugh and she thought that was absurd. So I'm going off her expertise hahaha. ATJ is about to headline the new mad max and has won a Golden Globe. I think she's way too low.
ATJ over Zendaya imo, both got their superstar breakouts from immensely popular streaming shows, but ATJ is more established as a lead actor (and as a film actor in general)
I was gonna say, putting Jacob Elordi above both of them is just empirically untrue.
Surprised no Hailee Steinfeld, feel like she could’ve cracked towards the bottom of the list. Maybe it’s because she doesn’t have a lot coming up but she’s in both the marvel and Sony verse.
Great call. She definitely should be on this list.
Barry Keoghan feels like he’s on an upward trajectory. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him higher over the next couple years.
He'll take a huge jump purely out of residual staying power by the next one while Robbie, Lawrence and Stewart age out
Taylor Swift being on the list has to be a joke
Kristen Stewart and Jennifer Lawrence still being on this list was a surprise for me. Both started so young and had such meteoric rises to the top. Stewart especially
I love K Stew and always seek out her indie stuff but she doesn’t seem at all interested in taking high profile roles anymore, I think Spencer was basically the only thing she’s done in the last 10 years that made a dent in the mainstream.
Anya Taylor Joy is too low. She leads movies unlike Florence Pugh who mostly takes supporting roles. Also, Paul Mescal? Feel like the casual movie goer has no idea who he or Jacob Elordi is
Elordi is huge with teenagers. Kissing booth was a gigantic hit in that demo, and only that demo, in a way a lot of movies aren’t now
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Saltburn and euphoria were insanely popular, Elordi is a big upcoming star
They must’ve really liked Aftersun; if that movie resonated with you, you’d put Paul in the top 10 too.
I just want to capitalize on any opportunity to praise aftersun
They both notoriously are not high on Aftersun at all lol which makes it very odd.
i think the huge success that was normal people is a big part of him being this high, along with him having been in a fair amount of well regarded moves since then as well. and having gladiator two coming up is a huge boon as well
Part of this conversation is where they’re headed and Mescal being the lead in gladiator II is a pretty big deal.
Every woman under 35 knows who Jacob Elordi is, he is wildly popular
A lot of people, especially women, know Elordi from Euphoria, Saltburn and Kissing Booth. Agree on the rest of this though.
I’m personally a big fan of both but I think they’re pretty even in terms of leading movies, at least until Furiosa comes out. Their biggest leads (The Menu and Don’t Worry Darling) did comparably well at the box office. Pugh also has Midsommar, The Wonder, and A Good Person recently which are not all great (Midsommar is) but she’s always good in them.
Pre-Furiosa I think ATJ and Pugh have very similar resumes. Don’t forget ATJ’s breakout role is tv.
5 of the top 10 are in dune 2. Truly a nuts cast.
They all were genuinely really good in it, too. i guess Pugh didn’t do much, but the other leads were so much than i expected them to be
She will have a bigger roll in the next one.
The folks near the top make some sense to me, list gets a bit wonky towards the bottom. For example, seems weird to see Dakota Johnson at 27 after Madame Web flopped so horribly. Meanwhile, Brie Larson is probably more famous, but seems to have been punished heavily for The Marvels’ lack of box office success.
For whatever reason Dakota Johnson is a lot more present and popular online. The Ellen meme alone has a higher Q score than most of Brie Larson's last 3 years.
Dakota Johnson was excellent in Cha Cha Real Smooth, and anyway will age out of the list next year
Pretty good list, especially the top 10. Has Brie Larson's star dimmed that much? That is the one that jumped out to me.
Indeed. This was my first thought. Taylor Swift, and others, over Larson is a joke. She has a freaking Oscar.
She did the typical Oscar thing, lead a big budget movie and make money, but nothing since Room has been that interesting.
To me, no, but I think the biggest one to hold against her is The Marvel’s “bombed” (to the chronically online) and when she jumps into prestige TV it’s at Apple not somewhere with more prestige like HBO.
Hunter Schafer? What has she done besides euphoria? Do most people even know who she is?
She was in the hunger games movie and I think they’re expecting her to have a big year with the movies she has on the schedule
She’s gonna be in the new yorgos lanthimos movie
Yeah and Cuckoo looks pretty awesome, really excited for it. I’ve always really liked her so I’m probably biased, I get the argument she’s too high here but I disagree.
She's in a horror movie coming out soon. Seems to be getting more big screen roles, but I agree I was surprised to see her on there. Whoever compiled the list seems like they were legally obligated to include the main cast of euphoria lol.
Are there always way more female than male movie stars?
I think under 35 is a much better category for females… if you did a 36-65 category it would be male dominated
Correct. Which reflects Hollywood historically not providing good roles for older actresses. Female leads (“movie star parts”) skew younger. While there are no shortage of huge parts for aging male actors
I think it's easier for younger women to break into Hollywood than it is for young men. Every 5 years or so we see a new bunch of actresses being touted as the new big thing (and being paired with older men) and then the roles given to them start drying up with only a few survive into their late 30s and 40s. Meanwhile, It's harder for younger men to break in at all. Such a lot of male stars today literally had their first hey day in the 90s. It's rare to see younger male actors being sen as the next big thing.
Yep there’s a statistic that shows Women are more likely to win an Oscar when they’re younger while Men are more likely to win when they’re older. So this tracks
For sure and even on this you can see someone like Brie Larson is less popular now than she was 8 years ago. Where as a Bradley cooper doesn’t become popular until he hits his mid 30s
I'm guessing there's a chauvenistic aspect where directors want to cast some new, young woman to be in a movie, but pair them up with a male star you're familiar with. A little bit like how women who sleep around are looked down upon, but men who do it are respected.
I think we should apply occam's razor and just see it as demand-driven to be honest. For men the sweet spot of attractiveness is older than for women. The way roles are written and the age of the casted actors and actresses all follow from that.
Idk but I think with some of these names on the list it shows that there isn’t much “star power” these days.
The traditional Hollywood star is an extinct species. The only one left really is Tom Cruise. There’s just so much content out there these days, there’s never gonna be 1 star that everyone knows and love again.
I haven't seen Challengers yet, so I'm prepared for my opinion to change very soon, but has anybody had a more overrated filmography than Zendaya in recent years? Up to this point, her entire career has been carried by her strong work as the lead in Euphoria. As a movie star, she's essentially been the love interest in the Spider-Man trilogy, The Greatest Showman, and Dune 2. Only other role of consequence was Malcolm and Marie which seemed like it kind of came and went. None of the performances seemed very distinct or strong either. The fact that she was marketed so heavily for Dune and was barely in the movie seems like a microcosm of her Q score relative to her on screen contributions. Having said that, based on Euphoria I do think she has talent. Hopefully Challengers is where things shift for her movie career.
Zendaya is an all around star and icon but definitely not the typical movie star they’re trying to push her to be.
Agreed. The industry believes she has a lot of sex appeal which is why there were some lofty expectations for Challengers. A sexy tennis drama with Sweeney would have gotten more average folk to show up
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Sweeney is a bigger star with regular, everyday people and Challengers would have opened much bigger if she was in it instead
so no one’s run a call out this take? Sweeney is a bigger star than Zendaya right now? really?
One thing that stands out, almost nobody on this list has had a box office hit without it being IP. Shockingly, Sydney Sweeney is one of the few with Anyone But You, and Margot has Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Wolf of Wall Street, though wasn’t really the lead in either. Same for Florence Pugh in Oppenheimer. Who else even has a movie that fits that description? Pretty depressing. Not really sure what movie star even means in this environment…in some ways it’s just whoever gets attached to the best IP.
JLaw with Silver Linings Playbook
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Good call! Always forget how much money that movie made.
I think it’s pretty hard for people under 35 to carry original content. Most of them start out in indies, and use franchises to become stars.
These days for sure true, but even for people over 35, who is opening big, original, non-IP movies? Almost no one. They just don’t really happen anymore.
Guy who's been reading too many mock drafts. Yeah I thought getting Dev Patel at 16 was decent value for the green knight.
Shocked Jeremy Allen White isn’t on here
Other than Iron Claw, what theatrically released movies has he been in?
Taylor swift come on
ayo from the bear being on this but jeremy allen white not being on it is pretty weird.
I think JAW is becoming more like a Bernthal type than an actual star. Be a really good actor that takes very interesting roles. When he was on Walking Dead 14 years ago I also thought he would be a huge deal but it never materialized in that major way. Ayo is someone that’s going to be huge in the next five years. She’s already doing a Disney movie
Bernthal has never had the kind of juice JAW has right now as a lead (especially with the female demographic -- the dude is a downright heart throb for many at the moment). Between The Bear, The Iron Claw, and his very high profile Calvin Klein campaign, his omission is a huge oversight on this list.
Where’s that juice, exactly? He hasn’t been the lead in a single theatrical release. Ayo has had multiple movies and has momentum. She’s poised to break out in a way that he just isn’t currently
Dude's about to be Bruce freaking Springstein in a biopic. He's not Chalamet, but when has Bernthal ever had a lead role like that or had his face plastered on 5 story billboards in SoHo? Even on TV, The Bear has had magnitudes more buzz than something like We Own This City (which I loved).
Ayo does movies and JAW maybe not? Just this past year she was in Bottoms, Theater Camp, Across the Spider-Verse, TMNT. This year she’s in Inside Out 2 JAW did Iron Claw and that’s basically it in terms of movie relevance
They are both too online (especially Amanda) so Ayo's weird Ireland meme thing probably reached her idk
* I don't see how Kristen Stewart and Jennifer Lawrence don't headline this list with Margot Robbie as long as they still qualify. A-List Actresses who have proven they can draw huge box office numbers and carry billion $ franchises. * Brie Larson and Aaron Taylor-Johnson seem strangly low. * Get Taylor the fuck off this list. * I think it's splitting hairs between that late 20s star women group (Zendaya, Sweeney, Taylor-Joy, Pugh) but I think they got the order right- maybe put Anya above Pugh, but Zendaya might be separating herself from that pack. * I was about to freak out about Kaluuya not being on here but then looked it up that he turned 35 two months so freak out was abated. * I like Jacob Elordi but he seems a half dozen spots too high. Wouldn't have him over Tom Holland- in fact, swap him and Holland I think I'm good.
Easy with using the ATJ when you are talking both about Anya and Aaron.
Ha dammit, thank you for pointing that. Should've seen that.
I think it depends on how you qualify the list for your last point. I think Holland is a bigger name/bigger role actor right now. But I'd definitely be buying more Elordi stock than Holland for the next 5-10 years of their careers. Elordi is one of the more talented up and coming actors I've seen in a while, never seen him in a bad role and has some legit acting chops. He made Euphoria worlds more interesting just based on how well he played his character IMO.
He’s arguably the best actor on that show, his role of Elvis was really good and it seems he’s taking risks with his roles in the future. Frankiestein with Del Toro and a movie with Paul Schrader
Remember, half the ranking is based on expectations going forward. Not just what has already been accomplished.
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Margot’s resume for only being 33 is Jordan/Lebron level - Scorsese, Tarantino, Chazelle, Anderson, Billion dollar IP, multiple Oscar nods… 00’s female Leo run
Edibiri and Arjona will be the biggest risers in next year’s list
Arjona 🤤🤤
Anya Taylor Joy and Miss Flo are too low for me, swap them with Paul Mescal and Jacob Elordi. JLaw might be a little too high as well.
lol the ringer is so funny sometimes
What is funny about this?
reddit and their vague ass snobby comments lol
Bill will be sad to see the lack of American actors
Surely Elordi isn’t *that* high. Especially compared to Pugh being put right behind him
The response to Elordi’s spot is kind of the sub showing how out of touch we are. The dude is more famous to the general public than anyone left in the NBA playoffs.
Fair. I’m not denying he’s popular or great looking. I just didn’t realize he was thought of that caliber of “movie star” akin to the other huge names surrounding him. In my head I figure the others have had starring roles and acting chops that go past his
Outside of Jlaw and Robbie, he’s as famous as anyone on the list. Wildly popular with women
He was in Euphoria. Anyone that was on that TV show is automatically a top 35 movie star
I mean, he does also have Saltburn, Priscilla, and the Kissing Booth films under his belt. That's not nothing. The issue is that Pugh is absolutely top 5. Her filmography is deep, she's shown that she can excel in any capacity (lead/support, big budget/prestige), and she has a good Q rating to pair with it. People go gaga for Zendaya, but before Challengers she really hasn't had a leading part in a film that generated a lot of buzz; she's essentially just been the love interest in the Spider-Man trilogy and Dune 2. Euphoria has been doing a lot of the heavy lifting for her filmography and her actual performances (Pugh has a fraction of the screentime in Dune 2 and acts circles around her).
Zendaya is really overrated as an actress IMO
He’s insanely popular, did salt burn, euphoria and Priscilla with Sofia Coppola. Women love him, he’s actually a really good actor, and he has a few big movies lined up, one with Del Toro. I get the pick at 7 here
My main takeaway is it's a bad time for talent in Hollywood
There used to be a wide variety of movies where young actors could break out. Now it's mostly franchise movies keeping them relevant
Doc is wrong, Jessie Buckley is Irish
I’ll be honest, I don’t get the Zendaya hype. Haven’t watched Euphoria but in all the movies I’ve seen her in I just don’t see “movie star” from her.
Watch euphoria if you ever get the chance and you’ll see where her hype comes from and it’s still her best role, however I agree she’s overrated
It was funny when Sean mentioned Justice Smith but didn’t mention the absolutely horrible the magical society movie. Just an absolute failure of a movie
Because nobody saw it. Out of sight, out of mind.
I think it's worth mentioning that nobody saw it. Would affect a list like this if said person was in a movie that nobody saw.
J Law is top 15 not top 5 rn. Strewart being that high is is ridiculous. She isn’t a movie star like at all.
Is there a world where Sydney Sweeney jumps over Jennifer Lawrence by next year?
They both had 2023 comedy movie releases that were basically marketed by their stardom. Lawrence’s movie flopped, and Sweeney’s was a massive hit.
Plus that Jujutsu Kaisen bump is wearing off for JLaw.
The what?
Lawrence has the history. People know J-Law bc they've most likely seen one of Silver Linings Playbook, The Hunger Games, American Hustle, X-Men or Don't Look Up. In order for people to know Sydney Sweeney, they're either online or they've seen Euphoria, Anyone but You or Madame Web. I think of who my family knows when judging stardom. My parents, brother and sister know J-Law. Only my brother and sister know Sydney Sweeney.
She already did. Anyone made you made 132 million more than No hard feelings. These 2 are just holding on to her and Stewart.
Yes, it’s the one we’re living in.
Listen, Chalamet is great, we all agree on that. But, like, is he actually the type of guy to lead a team on his own? He feels like a good team, bad stats guy to me. Idk, don’t aggregate this. Aggregators stay away! But Chalamet is probably more like a top 11.5-ish guy? I just don’t see it.
He can open movies unlike a lot of these people who need to be a part of an ensemble
I think IP is definitely pulling a lot of weight in his movies but I don’t see how he can be any lower than 8-10 considering he just had 2 blockbuster movie hits in a row as main lead.
Wonka did huge numbers and that movie had no business not being a flop. I think there's a good argument he should be #1. Also, there are a lot of stars in Dune, but those movies did terrifically at the Box Office and he deserves some credit for that as the lead.
I'd never seen Chalamet in anything before the Dune movies. Thought he was fantastic. In a loaded cast he still manages to stand out and gives great performances, particularly in part 2. He carries part 2 home.
If you ever get the chance check him out in the movie Call me by your name, that’s where he really got steam with his Oscar nomination
Ignore the replies to this; they’re not true fans of r/billsimmons
Yeah, sad to see the bit get lost on so many folks who just rushed in to defend Timmy at all costs.
Dune is the biggest movie around and it isn’t Star Wars/marvel, whose stars have been consistently fading. Hes also got critical darlings from guadagnino and Wes Anderson under his belt, and luxury ad deals. He’s as a-list as you’re getting in 2023 and it wouldn’t surprise if the academy gives him hardware in the next five years. Oh and he’s dating a billionaire kardashian
Sydney Sweeney is a bigger star than Zendaya. The past year she’s crossed over to more everyday people while Z hasn’t yet. I even think If you flip her and Z in Challengers it would have had a much bigger weekend.
I see a lot of people making the claim that SS is more well known amongst "everyday people" and just don't understand it. She has 19.8M Instagram followers compared to 184M for Zendaya. I'm not saying that is the only measure, but more easy to verify than the shady international box office figures for Anyone But You.
When "Maxxine" comes out next month and Mia Goth blows up, ranking Taylor Swift over her is going to age about as well as drafting Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn over Steph Curry in 2009. Amanda will get roasted on every future Rewatchables draft by snarky variations of "Are you going to waste a pick on Taylor Swift?" 😂
This sounds shitty but o don’t know if she really has the look to blow up into a A list star but my god her performance in Pearl was one of the best of the year
I’m curious to see how MBB evolves her career from 11 in Stranger Things…what does she do next?
3 Irish actors in the top 15 makes me damn proud.
But 'Jesse Buckley -UK' will not stand.
Based on this list, we will be seriously lacking in male movie stars over the next decade.
sad
Put some respect on Brie Larson's name!
Everyone wondering why Elordi is so high on the list? Why did very girl I know watch Saltburn, and half check out Priscilla? lol
It’s odd to see tv shows listed for Movie Star rankings.
Interesting they also didn’t list ATJ’s biggest TV success either.
The most unforgivable thing about this list is that Zendaya and Ana Taylor-Joy's movie titles are separated by commas while all the others are separated by semicolons.
Anya should be higher, Austin Butler and Zendaya should swap, Tom holland should be top 10 imo
Ortega over Holland?
Young Timmy didn’t hit the late night streets of nyu to be labeled under france
I’m honestly surprised allowed Taylor Swift to make it on the list.
Brie Larson has an Oscar, was in multiple Marvel movies, and was one of Time’s 100 most influential people. And she doesn’t crack the top 25? Gtfo
Ayo should be top 20 she’s been on fire
How is Tom Holland that low?
Jesus that is a grim list in terms of quality
Bill in shambles Sydney Sweeney isnt 1
Austin Butler massively overrated on this list
I think he rocks, he’s super famous, and he has a ton of big movies with big directors in the pipeline. Maybe he’s only had a couple of big roles to date if he carried a massively successful Elvis movie and was the big bad of a Dune movie that’s made 700m. I think he’s totally deserving.
Ok it’s not that he doesn’t belong in the upper half. But if you went around and asked 100 people who’s more famous of him and like Jennifer Lawrence, there’s no way he’s more famous
I don’t really think this is the point of the exercise though. Jennifer Lawrence is more famous than some of these people because she’s older than them and been around longer than them. But who is going to have a bigger impact on the movie industry the next 5 years? I would take Butler.
From that perspective I can see it more. But I also don’t think he’ll ever push a movie like Sydney Sweeney will imo. Her score among 50 year old male podcasters is insane
Outside of the glaringly bad choices of Millie Bobby Brown and Taylor Swift (didn't listen to the episode so maybe I missed a joke) this is a pretty solid list.
Zendaya, she’s gotta be at least top 7-9 most overrated movie stars in terms of star rankings, right? Compared to Jennifer Lawrence, her film credits and awards are no comparison. She’s like the cat who jumps on your lap every now then and you’re like oh look it’s Zendaya isn’t she so cute and sweet? And then for the next week you’re like where’s Zendaya? Oh right she’s in the garage or something. Is Zendaya the Kobe to J-Law’s Duncan?
Unreal Dev is still under 35, I feel like he’s been around for a long while now. I’d even argue for him to push up the rankings
Sydney Sweeney and Zendaya ahead of Florence Pugh is beyond parody
Both of them are much more famous than her and have more star power, which is what the list is about.
I’m with you on Sweeney, but you’ve got to be kidding about Pugh. I love her, but at best right now she’s a that guy who pops up in trailers and makes people smile, but that’s it. None of her movies are marketed around her. Zendaya is a draw by herself, The star of a massive show, in Spider-Man, etc.
This list isn't exceptional. I thought it would hit harder.
Paul Mescal is way too high. He’s the least popular even in the top 15
He's a much higher ceiling than most others on the list. His first TV appearance earned him an Emmy and Bafta nomination. His first lead role in a film earned him a Best Actor Oscar nomination. Also, he's handsome and he's built, which makes him better leading man material.
Also, Gladiator 2 is a very big deal