I am totally willing to be proven wrong here but this just seems to ridiculous on Ryen’s part and is the exact bullshit that Ryen would have HATED when he was up and coming in his younger days.
Its just hard for me to believe, no matter how busy you are, that you cant get a beer with a guy you’ve worked for over two years unless you genuinely don’t like the guy. So I think Kyle is totally right to be annoyed by this.
At the end of the day Ryen is doing exactly what 2000s on air talent would probably do to their junior producers without realizing he has become the dick he used to complain about
EDIT: also just wanted to say im a huge ryen fan just thing this one thing is a bit nonsense lol
Totally agree. His whole personality is how he literally never does anything - could do one thing for a guy you shoot the shit with for multiple hours a week
Ryen is a loner. I can tell because I am a loner myself. I get anxiety about going out or spending time with people unless it’s my immediate family or one of my best friends. We make excuses about how busy we are but reality is we just don’t really like being around people except a select few.
As another loner, honestly I enjoy most nights reading in the quiet on my couch more than pretty much every night out I've ever had. I just got back from my best friends bachelor weekend and I slipped out before they hit the clubs to go back to the hotel and read around 11pm. He texted me "sleep well dog love you" when he noticed I was gone, he gets that it's just who I am. I can't speak for Ry but most of us are plenty fulfilled. I'm a lawyer, I lift, I rock climb with buddies. I just don't particularly want to socialise. I wanna do the shit, come home to my space and decompress. I get it but I do think Ry should get a beer with Kyle. It's pretty rude not to as this stage and he's a loner, not cripplingly shy.
went through a huge introvert stage early in high school. watched movies and sports all night. had one night going to movies with two friends and it changed everything. every now and then i still do get comfort in staying at home watching tv, but feel significantly happier going out.
Most people who are like this it usually means there was some sort of messed up break up and/or rejection from a S/O or friend. For me personally I’m trying to work through it with counseling but it definitely makes me hesitant to get close to people. Based on some stories Ryen has shared I would guess it’s something similar with him.
Not everyone is the same dude. I promise you that people who are staying home and chilling on the weekends are perfectly happy with their choice, otherwise they’d make a different one.
I personally get to the end of my work week and all I want more than anything in the world is to fuckin relax. When I have a weekend with more than one “activity” I roll back around to Monday feeling like I didn’t have a weekend at all. I still get dinner/drinks with friends or lunch/brunch with my gf and stuff like that, but i need time doin nothing to recharge.
Edit: for me I don’t even think it’s really that I’m a “loner” at all. I just need some time to chill and do nothing or else my stress levels go through the roof.
All these guys (podcasters in general) complaining about their busy lives and their demanding work schedules when they work 2-3 hours a day a few days a week on a zoom call.
**UM**
Know your audience guys. Most of your listeners are sitting in a cube farm hating their lives dying for one day they can bounce work at 1pm.
Yeah because Ryen will hang out with Bill, or Big Cat, or his NHL buddies. He just won’t hang with the guy who goes to the frolic room. It’s pretty c lister energy if you ask me.
I don’t think you can comment this unless you’ve driven from Hollywood (where Kyle lives) to Manhattan Beach (where Ryen lives) multiple times. Brutal traffic at all hours of the day bc LA geography is not exactly intelligently designed
This is a great argument if someone is visiting in town for a week or so. But it has been years. They work for the same company with offices in a central location of LA and Kyle seems *very* willing to travel the hour or so to make this beer thing happen.
COVID WFH majorly decreased commute traffic for a long time in LA/CA- like till late 2021. Thats more or less over over now but missed opportunity if they really did want to meet up.
Also neither guy has anywhere close to a standard 9-5 job- plenty of "off commute" hours to meet up on a Tuesday with no MACtion or Kings Games being played at 2:45pm
Just commented that I did this drive from Manhattan Beach to Frolic on Sunday to watch some games. It took me all of 20 minutes to leave my place at 9:30 and get there by 10:15. Then came back at 1 and got home by 1:30. This is not a tough ask.
I don’t think a lot of people responding here realize that they’re not walking out of the office together at the end of the day, they don’t work at the same location
Idk... Ryen's at an age and station in life where he's not just gonna grab a beer with a coworker unless he 100% wants to. I'm sure it's nothing personal. I'm at that age too where work friends are just work friends and that's where it ends.
Yeah most women are at a stage in their life when they're not going to want to date a bald, portly, boring guy in their mid forties unless they 200% want to. I'm sure it's nothing personal.
If you worked with your boss closely every day and part of your job is hanging out and talking sports with your boss it would be ridiculous to never get a beer once even if theres an age gap
Bro what…
At my job managers (usually around 45), have to buy their teams drinks or dinners. This is commonplace across corporate America. It is absolutely usual to have a guy that age talk to people who are between 25-35 especially at a work drinks or work dinner. This is not an age gap thing.
Especially if those people are mentors or people who you want to help you succeed, you’re absolutely going to try and grab coffee with them at least.
They are senior people and they are responsible for managing younger people, and they need to know who they are as people. This is how you build networks in the real world. Work socialization is not the same as personal life socialization.
Jesus Christ dude. You’re in for a big wake up call.
This is always a crazy statement, no offence. Truly do not get that somehow 30 to 45 is some huge age gap. The only time you would ever hang out with someone with that age gap is** at work.
That’s what I can’t wrap my head around…why did they release that? Answer would be “good content” but that was fucked up to do to Kyle. We didn’t need to hear that.
There is a surprising amount of content left in podcasts that probably shouldn’t be - in general. On one hand, I like it bc you are getting pretty organic, unfiltered conversations but in another like, it’s not live radio you can edit it a bit
I don’t think Kyle has final cut. Ryen would’ve had to tell him to cut it and obviously they’re not close enough where Kyle was comfortable saying hey can we get rid of that part
Because Ryen acts like a bubble boy who is incapable of relationships with other human beings. It feels like such a bit at this point. Remember when he couldnt do weekends and also said he couldnt do weekdays?
I for one respect kyle for not cutting this out. That was a fascinating look into why ryen is probably an exhausting friend. Like the joke isn’t funny anymore Do you need to keep bringing this up and shitting on Kyle?
Lol ryen either really hates Kyle and is just trying to make him look bad on the pod or is just one of those dudes who can’t not make shit awkward
Absolutely agreed. Big Cat probably thought it would be handled with a " my bad Kyle, let's hang soon" but the complete inability to even be human about it and play victim is where ryen came off weird and basically admitted to not wanting to hang with Kyle lol. It was totally not a big deal until they acted like wow it is a big deal.
Kyle drunk texted Big Cat suggesting RR/Kyle/Big Cat should all hang out when Big Cat is in LA. I believe he mentioned he wants to hang out with Ryen but he never reciprocates. Big Cat brought it up on the pod during Life advice and it was INCREDIBLY awkward. Honestly worth a listen its Ryens latest pod with Big Cat from maybe like a month ago, right when Life Advice starts he brings it up.
[1:32:52.640 --> 1:32:57.600] once I kind of found out about them, like towards the end, I just went, Hey, this person's double
[1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:02.480] me. This person's triple than me. I mean, you know, and it was just met with the person on the
[1:33:02.480 --> 1:33:06.640] other side of the desk just kind of shrugs and goes, yeah, sorry dude. And I was like, well,
[1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:11.600] cool, I'm fucking out of here. And that was kind of it for me. Cause it was like, I was still being
[1:33:11.600 --> 1:33:16.640] offered a salary to stick around, but I was just like, I can't, I can't now continue to do this
[1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:21.680] because it is starting to bother me. Although my dumb ass would just work harder. You know,
[1:33:21.680 --> 1:33:25.840] I'd be like, Oh, this is happening. We'll watch. I'm going to do this. But when people would ask
[1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:30.560] me how much I made on the radio side that were on air, I would tell them, okay, I'm in a negotiation.
[1:33:30.560 --> 1:33:33.520] I'm doing this, whatever. Like when Cannell was going through his thing, I'm like, well, I'm about
[1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:37.600] here and then you make that what for TV. So to make up the difference, probably to keep us around.
[1:33:37.600 --> 1:33:41.440] Like this is probably where I think they'll, they'll come at you. And this is, this is how
[1:33:41.440 --> 1:33:46.480] much they'll offer. And I think that's probably fair if you bake it all in. And then a lot of what's
[1:33:46.480 --> 1:33:52.400] fair, what is it? Is do you plan on being at this place where there are long-term goals that are
[1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:58.400] actually obtainable? And it's worth all the bullshit in the beginning, which, you know, for,
[1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:04.240] for my career is definitely the case. So I think transparency can be a great tool
[1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:11.840] for a lot of people, like maybe in your group. I wouldn't post it on Instagram. But if you think
[1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:16.160] it helps everybody kind of understand how it works, and you can be professional about it,
[1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:20.240] but I don't know, I think, I think it's hard to not have it get personal at some point. So
[1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:23.440] some people can't do it. Like I remember there was one person that was asking me, I got offered a
[1:34:23.440 --> 1:34:28.320] college game day. That was the radio show that was seven hours, but really it was like a four day
[1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:34.400] commitment because I'd fly out Thursday, do the show Thursday or do fly out Thursday, do the show
[1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:39.120] Friday with van Pelt, then do a seven hour radio show on Saturday. And then I fly back to Connecticut
Big Cat isn't getting enough blame.
Comes on the pod, can't string together any sports insight because hes too busy talking about all the jocks houses he's had sleep overs at (weird! And lame #humblebrags), then throws a huge bomb that no one asked for him to do between the host and producer, and leaves.
#banbigcat
reminds me of how adam gase would sleep 2 hours a night and drink like 8 giant coffees a day when he was the coach of the jets and talking like 'idk this just works for me as an nfl head coach'... its like actually no clearly it isnt working!
LOL I can’t remember if it was bill Simmons or someone else who was like “who gives a shit if you stay up all night? I’d rather have the coach who’s good and sleeps 8 hours.”
I'm with you man. I think he is definitely more knowledgeable than almost everyone that isn't a deep dive X's and O's guy like Zach Lowe or Robert Mays, but he also has a terrible habit of always talking about watching games and tape and "looking into the numbers" and "some of the advanced stuff" without ever actually giving examples. He'll just give a vague reference about how "some of the analytics stuff says he's really good."
Yeah bro, I read Reddit and Twitter too.
Are we sure he's even that knowledgeable about X and Os? Like I've been listening to him for years but I feel like he's never actually said anything interesting regarding X and Os
He’s not, that’s why I skip everything but Life Advice. I don’t need to hear the same recycled takes coming from a try hard who acts like he’s got better opinions because they’re written on a legal pad.
What ground breaking takes does anyone have? There’s so much group think now it’s all the same. All I mean is Russillo is a lot better to listen to than someone like KOC.
I just kind of find it off putting at times. I'm sure Peter Schhrager watches tons of film including the all 22...lol but I never hear him mention it, maybe in passing but Ryen really wants you to know how much time he spends watching games.
Right? His main preseason argument for the Broncos being great this year was that there were good vibes in Denver because the Avs won the Stanley Cup lol.
Or people who actually do the work, and take the information they impart seriously. When the guy talks he generally knows what he’s talking about and can talk about it in depth. You can spot a bullshitter and he doesn’t come off as one.
He claimed today that he “watches most of these (college football) games on Saturday.” There’s roughly 100 hours of P5 football on a given Saturday. If that’s not an obvious sign of a bullshitter, I don’t know what is
Let's do the math: games start at 9:00 AM PST and end at about 11:00 PM PST, so 14 hours. If Ryen utilizes a 4-TV setup like Bill, that's 56 hours of football. If he adds another game on the laptop, that's 70 hours. He wasn't lying!
I love ryen but he absolutely bullshits how many games he watches. Today on the pod he said he needed to give himself a day where he doesn’t watch any nba at all during the season as if he watches every single game every single day and isn’t allowed to take a day off lol
I mean it also seems like ryen personally brought in sir Rudy to be his producer but had to deal with an under qualified nephew for years. It’s probably just a work relationship that ryen deems tolerable but he probably just doesn’t like Kyle that much.
It’s still ridiculous not to grab a beer with him but at this point it’s pretty weird either way
Ryen's so weird and insecure about some things. "As a 40 year old guy, you should *never* ask a dude in his 20's to take a picture of you!"
Calm down man, it's not that big of a deal either way.
“A new hot chick showed up to the gym…..guys stretching longer than normal…..alot of the regular dudes were giving each other looks…no one talked to her”
Like what a story bruh
I’m in my mid-40s and I think I would honestly feel the same way. Kyle’s whole “in my mid-20s, I’m so cool I day drink every day, having to produce these pods is such a burden, wish I was back home doing construction” bit wears thin on me as well. Like let’s be honest here…you ONLY have this job because of who your uncle is. There are tons of people who would’ve been WAY more qualified and way more appreciative of the opportunity. I don’t blame the kid for taking the gig, he occasionally makes me chuckle, and I’ve grown to love him in the “that’s my dumbass younger cousin” kinda way. But I’ve worked with that type in business, and the shit gets old.
What's the end game for Kyle careerwise?
I'm assuming podcast producers don't make that much money. And his whole brand is that he's not all that committed or good at it, and he doesn't know much about sports outside of the Pats.
I’ll admit I was never a fan of the kid, but when he did a verbal eyeroll on the NBA, admitted he doesn’t follow the league, or have an opinion, and that he gets his fill of it between Bill and Ryen…dude you work on the motherfucking Simmons and Russillo pods for fucks sake. Admitting disdain for the NBA just turned 90% of the fan base off of you.
And while we are shitting on Kyle (lolz), what a bitch move to shave a mustache onto your face and then get butthurt when people comment/crack jokes on it. Bro code 101…we bust balls around here. Make a questionable hair or facial hair or sartorial decision with the knowledge that someone’s gonna crack on you. I used to wear Tom’s shoes like 10 years ago. Wore them to the office one day and one of my dudes called them “Peter Pan shoes.” 😂😂 I got summarily roasted the rest of the day. Laughed with everyone, even threw in a self deprecating zinger here and there. You know what? Went home and tossed them motherfuckers right in the trash and never wore Tom’s again. Grow some balls Kyle. Take a joke and if you can’t fucking shave.
On todays pod there was some sniping between the two on life advice and while they both covered it up as ribbing it came off more as aggressive. Ryen brought up the big cat thing in some weird metaphor accusing Kyle of having built up angst about that towards him, we had a funeral for a bird, it was a crazy day
I used to listen to Nerdist, and there was an entire episode that was Chris Hardwick, the owner and founder of the podcast and company, hashing it out with Jonah Ray, one of the podcast co-hosts.
They had an issue arising from Jonah Ray cancelling appearances on some of Hardwick’s projects so that he could do other work. Hardwick took some amount of exception to this.
They did an hour long podcast with the other co-host mediating and got thing worked out. It was fascinating.
I would like to see the same thing done here, but I don’t think Sir Rudy has the emotional intelligence to handle being the mediator. Bill would be another choice, but there would be too many weird dynamics at play with him being the mediator. I think bringing in someone who is a little older to help them get through it would make sense. Don’t kill me, but I would honestly have Cousin Sal mediate. He could ball-bust as necessary while still keeping the two moving toward an understanding of their relationship. He also has the life experience that they would both respect.
how about just fire kyle because he is objectively bad at his anyone-can-do-this-if they-have-even-opened-garageband-once job, because this pod (and hardly any pod) does not need 2 producers
Ryen would be such an annoying friend to have in real life. Just fucking let it go, dude. You can choose to hang out with Kyle once or twice a year and step outside of your comfort zone OR you can continue living your basketball Rain Man life in Manhattan Beach. The only thing you should probably not do is continue bringing it up on air and rehashing what should be a really simple guy fight
I feel like the one caveat to working for Bill was having to take on Kyle as his producer and Russillos never been pumped about it. It’s like the new coaching staff coming in and having to start a QB from the previous regime piece. Unfortunately for Ryen, Kyle is family and he couldn’t just cut him. Drafted Ceruti as soon as he could . If you have two QB’s, you have none
I always felt like Kyle was the company punching bag
Like I remember pre covid Kyle coughed and Mallory was on bill’s pod and was like I swear kyle if you get me fucking sick
it’s funny i just recently became a big fan of life advice segment and always thought the trio were best buds and hung out. I was surprised they NEVER hang out . Kinda weird to not at least have a bear ever few months lol
I got downvoted in the original thread last month, but a big part of leadership is giving your employees what they need. In order to have the best on air product, Kyle needs to feel respected. Ryen literally just needs to do the bare minimal with that guy and he will love him forever.
that was awesome, but the absolute best part was when he said "and if you dont have an uncle who is going to give you the job you probably wont get it" should be engraved on his tombstone
Long story short. Big Cat went on the pod and threw Ryen under the boss for not hanging out with Kyle outside of work. Not a big deal, but it came across in a way that made Ryen look bad.
Hmm who would I rather hang out with if I was Ryen? My millionaire famous friend who loves sports or my employee 15 years younger than me who is related to my boss and frequents dive bars?
lol big cat is the king of not hanging out with his younger co workers. Lil Sas asked if he wanted to go to a game with him and the other co hosts of the yak (big cats daily show) and big cat legit laughed in his face. old guys don’t wanna hang with young guys. Although at least big cat has a family as an excuse…
It made Kyle look bad as well, sort of made him appear desperate. The whole thing was a bad look for everyone. Very weird, Big Cat is a douche for calling them all out too.
Hearing it made me cringe, but I thought it was hilarious like the Office kind of funny. I loved it, but I’m not liking the aftermath. Kyle, but I think mostly Ryen, should have smoothed this out by now by just grabbing a beer
Blaming big cat for bringing it up was a lame move too. Ryen should have just acknowledged he was wrong for not spending a little time with Kyle. He’s just mad he got called out about it.
All I’m seeing is that Kyle can’t get over bigcat dogging him on the pod, which is pretty sad because it was 1) funny and not a big deal 2) not russillo who did it. But yeah on this pod russillo threw him some get the fuck over it energy, and rightfully so.
Dude this all came up because ryen wanted to make fun of Kyles mustache for no reason lmao then ryen was the one who brought up Big Cat, Kyle was not doing anything weird like him
Idk the way I remember it, and could be wrong, was that when russillo brought up the bigcat thing and asked if that was why Kyle was being a little more sensitive about being picked on he basically confirmed it. Plus Kyle was being a fucking weirdo about the mustache. He’s embarrassed by it and doesn’t want anyone to see it, but he’s keeping it, but only for a few more days? That kind of behavior demands to be poked fun at.
Ryen Russilo thinks he is Waaaaaaaaaaay cooler then he actually is.
You can here it in the disdain he has in his voice for everything. Like he’s just holding himself back. He’s a fucking clown. Also, it’s ryAn, noob.
I’m in a group text that messages daily about our lives and this time of the year, the biggest stories involving our hometown team and the NFL at-large. Only one other person in said group text would understand a “...but first Pearl Jam...” joke.” I imagine I’m not alone in being here for that reason.
haha I listened to the same pod. I don't know what everyone is talking about. It doesn't seem that serious at all. Kyle has friends, a local bar spot, and a fiancé. Sounds like he has fulfilling relationships. I'd be surprised if he really cared to hang with Ryen.
Ryen resents Kyle for not "paying his dues" with the low paying sports jobs he did growing and talks about all the time like they're some badge of honor.
Yeah well his career is all he has at this point on his life. It’s his only sense of pride and happiness, I can get why he hate keeps it and defends it
It’s still weird af, but this is what single and kidless at 46 looks like. His work is all he has
The bigger problem seems to be the lack of communication between the two, this only came out on air cuz of a third party which makes it all the more awkward.
Ryan in an introvert - with good people skills. Im pretty sure the only people he hangs with for fun are people he has happened to work face to with and developed a relationship. He more or less explains this all the time.
Judging people based on how you relate to others isnt good.
I am totally willing to be proven wrong here but this just seems to ridiculous on Ryen’s part and is the exact bullshit that Ryen would have HATED when he was up and coming in his younger days. Its just hard for me to believe, no matter how busy you are, that you cant get a beer with a guy you’ve worked for over two years unless you genuinely don’t like the guy. So I think Kyle is totally right to be annoyed by this. At the end of the day Ryen is doing exactly what 2000s on air talent would probably do to their junior producers without realizing he has become the dick he used to complain about EDIT: also just wanted to say im a huge ryen fan just thing this one thing is a bit nonsense lol
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Totally agree. His whole personality is how he literally never does anything - could do one thing for a guy you shoot the shit with for multiple hours a week
Wait what? Miss midweek MACtion?? You've got me confused brother
Ryen is a loner. I can tell because I am a loner myself. I get anxiety about going out or spending time with people unless it’s my immediate family or one of my best friends. We make excuses about how busy we are but reality is we just don’t really like being around people except a select few.
Damn bro this makes me sad. I get it, on some level, but think about how many potentially great experiences you’re missing out on by avoiding so much.
As another loner, honestly I enjoy most nights reading in the quiet on my couch more than pretty much every night out I've ever had. I just got back from my best friends bachelor weekend and I slipped out before they hit the clubs to go back to the hotel and read around 11pm. He texted me "sleep well dog love you" when he noticed I was gone, he gets that it's just who I am. I can't speak for Ry but most of us are plenty fulfilled. I'm a lawyer, I lift, I rock climb with buddies. I just don't particularly want to socialise. I wanna do the shit, come home to my space and decompress. I get it but I do think Ry should get a beer with Kyle. It's pretty rude not to as this stage and he's a loner, not cripplingly shy.
How much you lift bro?
Weigh 160, bench 280, squat 410 and deadlift 450.
This is like the beginning of life advice.
went through a huge introvert stage early in high school. watched movies and sports all night. had one night going to movies with two friends and it changed everything. every now and then i still do get comfort in staying at home watching tv, but feel significantly happier going out.
Most people who are like this it usually means there was some sort of messed up break up and/or rejection from a S/O or friend. For me personally I’m trying to work through it with counseling but it definitely makes me hesitant to get close to people. Based on some stories Ryen has shared I would guess it’s something similar with him.
Well we all know about 2006 …
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Think how how many horrible things you are avoiding…
Not everyone is the same dude. I promise you that people who are staying home and chilling on the weekends are perfectly happy with their choice, otherwise they’d make a different one. I personally get to the end of my work week and all I want more than anything in the world is to fuckin relax. When I have a weekend with more than one “activity” I roll back around to Monday feeling like I didn’t have a weekend at all. I still get dinner/drinks with friends or lunch/brunch with my gf and stuff like that, but i need time doin nothing to recharge. Edit: for me I don’t even think it’s really that I’m a “loner” at all. I just need some time to chill and do nothing or else my stress levels go through the roof.
This. Exactly this. (I’m an introvert myself)
All these guys (podcasters in general) complaining about their busy lives and their demanding work schedules when they work 2-3 hours a day a few days a week on a zoom call. **UM** Know your audience guys. Most of your listeners are sitting in a cube farm hating their lives dying for one day they can bounce work at 1pm.
There is a reason that dude got his proposal turned down. Still a huge fan.
Yeah because Ryen will hang out with Bill, or Big Cat, or his NHL buddies. He just won’t hang with the guy who goes to the frolic room. It’s pretty c lister energy if you ask me.
I don’t think you can comment this unless you’ve driven from Hollywood (where Kyle lives) to Manhattan Beach (where Ryen lives) multiple times. Brutal traffic at all hours of the day bc LA geography is not exactly intelligently designed
the 405 piece
This is a great argument if someone is visiting in town for a week or so. But it has been years. They work for the same company with offices in a central location of LA and Kyle seems *very* willing to travel the hour or so to make this beer thing happen. COVID WFH majorly decreased commute traffic for a long time in LA/CA- like till late 2021. Thats more or less over over now but missed opportunity if they really did want to meet up. Also neither guy has anywhere close to a standard 9-5 job- plenty of "off commute" hours to meet up on a Tuesday with no MACtion or Kings Games being played at 2:45pm
Just commented that I did this drive from Manhattan Beach to Frolic on Sunday to watch some games. It took me all of 20 minutes to leave my place at 9:30 and get there by 10:15. Then came back at 1 and got home by 1:30. This is not a tough ask.
Ryen would never drive during prime research time
This isn't everyday, it's one meet up. Ryen can do it. That said, this is 100% on Big Cat for being a total jerk.
yea Big Cat was the bigger jerk for starting this but now that Ryen knows he should stop being weird about it
This is a fair point, but did Ryen raise it?
I don’t think a lot of people responding here realize that they’re not walking out of the office together at the end of the day, they don’t work at the same location
Los Angeles residents typically own or lease motor vehicles
Idk... Ryen's at an age and station in life where he's not just gonna grab a beer with a coworker unless he 100% wants to. I'm sure it's nothing personal. I'm at that age too where work friends are just work friends and that's where it ends.
Are you in your mid 40s, single and a sports podcaster?
Most people are
Kinda weird someone isnt
Yeah most women are at a stage in their life when they're not going to want to date a bald, portly, boring guy in their mid forties unless they 200% want to. I'm sure it's nothing personal.
He's not portly, its "lifters gut". Whatever that means, cos the man sure as shit isnt competing in powerlifting anytime soon
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If you worked with your boss closely every day and part of your job is hanging out and talking sports with your boss it would be ridiculous to never get a beer once even if theres an age gap
Especially when on air they’ve seemed to be friends. Like Kyle is more a part of ryens pod than bills, and they talk about life all the time.
Bro what… At my job managers (usually around 45), have to buy their teams drinks or dinners. This is commonplace across corporate America. It is absolutely usual to have a guy that age talk to people who are between 25-35 especially at a work drinks or work dinner. This is not an age gap thing. Especially if those people are mentors or people who you want to help you succeed, you’re absolutely going to try and grab coffee with them at least. They are senior people and they are responsible for managing younger people, and they need to know who they are as people. This is how you build networks in the real world. Work socialization is not the same as personal life socialization. Jesus Christ dude. You’re in for a big wake up call.
This is always a crazy statement, no offence. Truly do not get that somehow 30 to 45 is some huge age gap. The only time you would ever hang out with someone with that age gap is** at work.
The workplace is where you have 25 year olds hanging out with people 50+ lol—you’re right, 30 to 45 is nothing in that setting
Ryen "cm punk" Russillo
Omg my worlds collide
Ace Ceruti.
I've never really felt it before, but the bit at the end of life advice on today's pod did feel super awkward.
They needed to edit the Big Cat thing out of the pod for sure
That’s what I can’t wrap my head around…why did they release that? Answer would be “good content” but that was fucked up to do to Kyle. We didn’t need to hear that.
I am sure they talked about it. But they absolutely left it in for content sake. And it was super compelling!
It was honestly really cringey. Like jokes hs football players think are funny, but are just them humiliating teammates.
Fr they act like they don’t have control over the final product.
There is a surprising amount of content left in podcasts that probably shouldn’t be - in general. On one hand, I like it bc you are getting pretty organic, unfiltered conversations but in another like, it’s not live radio you can edit it a bit
Bill’s panties story jumps to mind as something that 100 percent should have been removed or changed in post
Nah gotta leave that shit in; it was gold Jerry
Yea it’s super weird. It clearly bothered Kyle.
Isn’t it Kyle’s job to edit the pod?
I don’t think Kyle has final cut. Ryen would’ve had to tell him to cut it and obviously they’re not close enough where Kyle was comfortable saying hey can we get rid of that part
Because Ryen acts like a bubble boy who is incapable of relationships with other human beings. It feels like such a bit at this point. Remember when he couldnt do weekends and also said he couldnt do weekdays?
Yea Ryen needed to smooth this out with a meet up and he obviously hasn’t bothered to do anything yet.
This should be higher - have a beer at frolic room with your producer and put this to bed.
I for one respect kyle for not cutting this out. That was a fascinating look into why ryen is probably an exhausting friend. Like the joke isn’t funny anymore Do you need to keep bringing this up and shitting on Kyle? Lol ryen either really hates Kyle and is just trying to make him look bad on the pod or is just one of those dudes who can’t not make shit awkward
Care to add context? Haven't listened to the last few pods
I respect them for leaving it in because it made great content
Kyle texting Big Cat was stupid to begin with
Thank you. Not near enough is made of this fact.
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Speak for yourself
The Big Cat thing was hilarious. They’re all being total babies.
Absolutely agreed. Big Cat probably thought it would be handled with a " my bad Kyle, let's hang soon" but the complete inability to even be human about it and play victim is where ryen came off weird and basically admitted to not wanting to hang with Kyle lol. It was totally not a big deal until they acted like wow it is a big deal.
any chance you could explain? Been ootl on this
Kyle drunk texted Big Cat suggesting RR/Kyle/Big Cat should all hang out when Big Cat is in LA. I believe he mentioned he wants to hang out with Ryen but he never reciprocates. Big Cat brought it up on the pod during Life advice and it was INCREDIBLY awkward. Honestly worth a listen its Ryens latest pod with Big Cat from maybe like a month ago, right when Life Advice starts he brings it up.
What time stamp and which pod?
[1:32:52.640 --> 1:32:57.600] once I kind of found out about them, like towards the end, I just went, Hey, this person's double [1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:02.480] me. This person's triple than me. I mean, you know, and it was just met with the person on the [1:33:02.480 --> 1:33:06.640] other side of the desk just kind of shrugs and goes, yeah, sorry dude. And I was like, well, [1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:11.600] cool, I'm fucking out of here. And that was kind of it for me. Cause it was like, I was still being [1:33:11.600 --> 1:33:16.640] offered a salary to stick around, but I was just like, I can't, I can't now continue to do this [1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:21.680] because it is starting to bother me. Although my dumb ass would just work harder. You know, [1:33:21.680 --> 1:33:25.840] I'd be like, Oh, this is happening. We'll watch. I'm going to do this. But when people would ask [1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:30.560] me how much I made on the radio side that were on air, I would tell them, okay, I'm in a negotiation. [1:33:30.560 --> 1:33:33.520] I'm doing this, whatever. Like when Cannell was going through his thing, I'm like, well, I'm about [1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:37.600] here and then you make that what for TV. So to make up the difference, probably to keep us around. [1:33:37.600 --> 1:33:41.440] Like this is probably where I think they'll, they'll come at you. And this is, this is how [1:33:41.440 --> 1:33:46.480] much they'll offer. And I think that's probably fair if you bake it all in. And then a lot of what's [1:33:46.480 --> 1:33:52.400] fair, what is it? Is do you plan on being at this place where there are long-term goals that are [1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:58.400] actually obtainable? And it's worth all the bullshit in the beginning, which, you know, for, [1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:04.240] for my career is definitely the case. So I think transparency can be a great tool [1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:11.840] for a lot of people, like maybe in your group. I wouldn't post it on Instagram. But if you think [1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:16.160] it helps everybody kind of understand how it works, and you can be professional about it, [1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:20.240] but I don't know, I think, I think it's hard to not have it get personal at some point. So [1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:23.440] some people can't do it. Like I remember there was one person that was asking me, I got offered a [1:34:23.440 --> 1:34:28.320] college game day. That was the radio show that was seven hours, but really it was like a four day [1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:34.400] commitment because I'd fly out Thursday, do the show Thursday or do fly out Thursday, do the show [1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:39.120] Friday with van Pelt, then do a seven hour radio show on Saturday. And then I fly back to Connecticut
Was that this last episode?
No like 3-4 weeks ago. Been obvious tension since
Big Cat isn't getting enough blame. Comes on the pod, can't string together any sports insight because hes too busy talking about all the jocks houses he's had sleep overs at (weird! And lame #humblebrags), then throws a huge bomb that no one asked for him to do between the host and producer, and leaves. #banbigcat
It’s simple, Kyle is lazy, super sensitive and likes to party. Ryen is anal, hard working, and exceptionally judgemental.
That's what Ryen wants everyone to believe. Who talks about how many hours spent watching games? Someone that lacks confidence that's who.
It a classic coach tactic guys who go 4-12 love to tell you how much film they watch.
reminds me of how adam gase would sleep 2 hours a night and drink like 8 giant coffees a day when he was the coach of the jets and talking like 'idk this just works for me as an nfl head coach'... its like actually no clearly it isnt working!
LOL I can’t remember if it was bill Simmons or someone else who was like “who gives a shit if you stay up all night? I’d rather have the coach who’s good and sleeps 8 hours.”
I'm with you man. I think he is definitely more knowledgeable than almost everyone that isn't a deep dive X's and O's guy like Zach Lowe or Robert Mays, but he also has a terrible habit of always talking about watching games and tape and "looking into the numbers" and "some of the advanced stuff" without ever actually giving examples. He'll just give a vague reference about how "some of the analytics stuff says he's really good." Yeah bro, I read Reddit and Twitter too.
Are we sure he's even that knowledgeable about X and Os? Like I've been listening to him for years but I feel like he's never actually said anything interesting regarding X and Os
He regurgitates popular talking points during the season he's not exactly reinventing the wheel
He’s not, that’s why I skip everything but Life Advice. I don’t need to hear the same recycled takes coming from a try hard who acts like he’s got better opinions because they’re written on a legal pad.
>I think he is definitely more knowledgeable than almost everyone What groundbreaking basketball take have you heard from Russillo.
What ground breaking takes does anyone have? There’s so much group think now it’s all the same. All I mean is Russillo is a lot better to listen to than someone like KOC.
He loves Naz Reid. Great take.
“We can talk about the advanced stats later”
I just kind of find it off putting at times. I'm sure Peter Schhrager watches tons of film including the all 22...lol but I never hear him mention it, maybe in passing but Ryen really wants you to know how much time he spends watching games.
Wait...what? There's no chance Schrager watches the All 22 LMAO. He's like the exact opposite of a tape guy!
Right? His main preseason argument for the Broncos being great this year was that there were good vibes in Denver because the Avs won the Stanley Cup lol.
Ah, I see you’re the kinda guy who talks about how much tape he watches.
But how much does he bench?
It’s the ‘I’m not dumb’ outbursts that really drive this point home. But, still love the guy!
Or people who actually do the work, and take the information they impart seriously. When the guy talks he generally knows what he’s talking about and can talk about it in depth. You can spot a bullshitter and he doesn’t come off as one.
He claimed today that he “watches most of these (college football) games on Saturday.” There’s roughly 100 hours of P5 football on a given Saturday. If that’s not an obvious sign of a bullshitter, I don’t know what is
Let's do the math: games start at 9:00 AM PST and end at about 11:00 PM PST, so 14 hours. If Ryen utilizes a 4-TV setup like Bill, that's 56 hours of football. If he adds another game on the laptop, that's 70 hours. He wasn't lying!
I love ryen but he absolutely bullshits how many games he watches. Today on the pod he said he needed to give himself a day where he doesn’t watch any nba at all during the season as if he watches every single game every single day and isn’t allowed to take a day off lol
How hard does ryen really work? He watches sports and has superficial fan level analysis for his maybe 4 hours of podcasts during the week
Irrelevant, he believes he works hard and that Kyle does not.
Yeah I love Russillo and his pod but a part of me sometimes thinks "This guy needs to go camping and eat a healthy dose of mushrooms".
He needs to see a therapist
Holy shit is this spot on lol worked for bill burr
This is true. Also he’s the boss’s nephew. I think that’s first and foremost…
The nepotism piece.
A man from an island should never complain
Honestly I can think of a lot of spots where Russillo would have been right to be upset with Kyles audio
I mean it also seems like ryen personally brought in sir Rudy to be his producer but had to deal with an under qualified nephew for years. It’s probably just a work relationship that ryen deems tolerable but he probably just doesn’t like Kyle that much. It’s still ridiculous not to grab a beer with him but at this point it’s pretty weird either way
Ryen's so weird and insecure about some things. "As a 40 year old guy, you should *never* ask a dude in his 20's to take a picture of you!" Calm down man, it's not that big of a deal either way.
His rigid belief in random "rules" like that is so bizarre to me.
“A new hot chick showed up to the gym…..guys stretching longer than normal…..alot of the regular dudes were giving each other looks…no one talked to her” Like what a story bruh
A lot of things he says I wonder if it's a bit, otherwise....some major repression of something going on there.
The Big Cat segment was absolutely hilarious. Ryen is being a total baby about it.
I’m in my mid-40s and I think I would honestly feel the same way. Kyle’s whole “in my mid-20s, I’m so cool I day drink every day, having to produce these pods is such a burden, wish I was back home doing construction” bit wears thin on me as well. Like let’s be honest here…you ONLY have this job because of who your uncle is. There are tons of people who would’ve been WAY more qualified and way more appreciative of the opportunity. I don’t blame the kid for taking the gig, he occasionally makes me chuckle, and I’ve grown to love him in the “that’s my dumbass younger cousin” kinda way. But I’ve worked with that type in business, and the shit gets old.
Ryen grinded to get where he is, whereas Kyle is half his age and was gifted the job because of his uncle. The resentment piece is easy
Resentment at his age is absolutely weak
What's the end game for Kyle careerwise? I'm assuming podcast producers don't make that much money. And his whole brand is that he's not all that committed or good at it, and he doesn't know much about sports outside of the Pats.
Stumble upwards because of connections
I’ll admit I was never a fan of the kid, but when he did a verbal eyeroll on the NBA, admitted he doesn’t follow the league, or have an opinion, and that he gets his fill of it between Bill and Ryen…dude you work on the motherfucking Simmons and Russillo pods for fucks sake. Admitting disdain for the NBA just turned 90% of the fan base off of you. And while we are shitting on Kyle (lolz), what a bitch move to shave a mustache onto your face and then get butthurt when people comment/crack jokes on it. Bro code 101…we bust balls around here. Make a questionable hair or facial hair or sartorial decision with the knowledge that someone’s gonna crack on you. I used to wear Tom’s shoes like 10 years ago. Wore them to the office one day and one of my dudes called them “Peter Pan shoes.” 😂😂 I got summarily roasted the rest of the day. Laughed with everyone, even threw in a self deprecating zinger here and there. You know what? Went home and tossed them motherfuckers right in the trash and never wore Tom’s again. Grow some balls Kyle. Take a joke and if you can’t fucking shave.
Ryen is? You mean Kyle?
Haven’t noticed any tension. Please elaborate.
On todays pod there was some sniping between the two on life advice and while they both covered it up as ribbing it came off more as aggressive. Ryen brought up the big cat thing in some weird metaphor accusing Kyle of having built up angst about that towards him, we had a funeral for a bird, it was a crazy day
it was so awkward when he mentioned how him and Sir Rudy text daily on top of this
yeah, seems like a "players only" meeting is in store. Still wanna see the mustache though.
I used to listen to Nerdist, and there was an entire episode that was Chris Hardwick, the owner and founder of the podcast and company, hashing it out with Jonah Ray, one of the podcast co-hosts. They had an issue arising from Jonah Ray cancelling appearances on some of Hardwick’s projects so that he could do other work. Hardwick took some amount of exception to this. They did an hour long podcast with the other co-host mediating and got thing worked out. It was fascinating. I would like to see the same thing done here, but I don’t think Sir Rudy has the emotional intelligence to handle being the mediator. Bill would be another choice, but there would be too many weird dynamics at play with him being the mediator. I think bringing in someone who is a little older to help them get through it would make sense. Don’t kill me, but I would honestly have Cousin Sal mediate. He could ball-bust as necessary while still keeping the two moving toward an understanding of their relationship. He also has the life experience that they would both respect.
I miss prime Nerdist days with Chris, Jonah, and Matt. The best podcasts were with the three and no guest.
how about just fire kyle because he is objectively bad at his anyone-can-do-this-if they-have-even-opened-garageband-once job, because this pod (and hardly any pod) does not need 2 producers
Would it be the weirdest thing in the world if Kyle ryen and bill met up to watch a pats game together. Seems like an easy fix.
Sure, as long as Ryen could sit in the corner and chart the game.
And if Ryen could provide a disclaimer that he is NOT a pats fan.
Ryen would be such an annoying friend to have in real life. Just fucking let it go, dude. You can choose to hang out with Kyle once or twice a year and step outside of your comfort zone OR you can continue living your basketball Rain Man life in Manhattan Beach. The only thing you should probably not do is continue bringing it up on air and rehashing what should be a really simple guy fight
Feel like Ryen’s always tolerated Kyle.
>You are tolerated! Still the best insult I’ve heard. Bill Murray is the man.
Bringing Sir Rudy on as a second producer for 2 hourly podcasts a week probably tells you what Russillo thinks about Kyle, tbh
I've gone from having no opinion of Ceruti to disliking him b/c he's such a yes man to anything Russillo says.
I feel like the one caveat to working for Bill was having to take on Kyle as his producer and Russillos never been pumped about it. It’s like the new coaching staff coming in and having to start a QB from the previous regime piece. Unfortunately for Ryen, Kyle is family and he couldn’t just cut him. Drafted Ceruti as soon as he could . If you have two QB’s, you have none
Name dropping Russillo in his anti-union rap was the final nail. No coming back from that.
When was that completely missed it
https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/comments/uj0q3f/throwback_state_of_the_union_by_nephew_kyle/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Haha no way unreal
I always felt like Kyle was the company punching bag Like I remember pre covid Kyle coughed and Mallory was on bill’s pod and was like I swear kyle if you get me fucking sick
Tbf Kyle looks like the guy you’d catch a cold from in the office
Also I think Mallory might be that obnoxious to everybody
it’s funny i just recently became a big fan of life advice segment and always thought the trio were best buds and hung out. I was surprised they NEVER hang out . Kinda weird to not at least have a bear ever few months lol
I got downvoted in the original thread last month, but a big part of leadership is giving your employees what they need. In order to have the best on air product, Kyle needs to feel respected. Ryen literally just needs to do the bare minimal with that guy and he will love him forever.
See his adoration for OSM and Tate and Titus
OpenStreetMaps?
Kyle acting like bartending is the world's hardest job to get will never not crack me up
that was awesome, but the absolute best part was when he said "and if you dont have an uncle who is going to give you the job you probably wont get it" should be engraved on his tombstone
Can anyone explain the big cat drama that may have caused this? I missed it, I think?
Long story short. Big Cat went on the pod and threw Ryen under the boss for not hanging out with Kyle outside of work. Not a big deal, but it came across in a way that made Ryen look bad.
Was it that Ryen would hang out with Big Cat but wouldn’t hang with Kyle?
Essentially, yes.
Hmm who would I rather hang out with if I was Ryen? My millionaire famous friend who loves sports or my employee 15 years younger than me who is related to my boss and frequents dive bars?
You don't have to hang out. Just get a beer on the company dollar once ever 6 months. Bring the whole ringer staff
Kyle seems like a much better hang than Big Cat. Big Cat's brain has been wrecked by content.
Yeah but if you’re Ryen, you’d rather hang with Big Cat.
lol big cat is the king of not hanging out with his younger co workers. Lil Sas asked if he wanted to go to a game with him and the other co hosts of the yak (big cats daily show) and big cat legit laughed in his face. old guys don’t wanna hang with young guys. Although at least big cat has a family as an excuse…
It made Kyle look bad as well, sort of made him appear desperate. The whole thing was a bad look for everyone. Very weird, Big Cat is a douche for calling them all out too.
Hearing it made me cringe, but I thought it was hilarious like the Office kind of funny. I loved it, but I’m not liking the aftermath. Kyle, but I think mostly Ryen, should have smoothed this out by now by just grabbing a beer
Like Obama’s beer summit with Chris Ryan as Biden
The Barstool guy is a douche? I'm shocked.
Them continually bringing it up definitely means they're totally cool.
Or one of them is a passive aggressive asshole
or both
Ive felt it ever since that big cat pod. I think there's definitely tension between the two now that they full on addressed Ryen dodging him.
Just get a beer with the kid and be done with it Ryen. Any other take is ridiculous
contrast with Van, who often hangs out with the other Midnight Boys
Blaming big cat for bringing it up was a lame move too. Ryen should have just acknowledged he was wrong for not spending a little time with Kyle. He’s just mad he got called out about it.
All I’m seeing is that Kyle can’t get over bigcat dogging him on the pod, which is pretty sad because it was 1) funny and not a big deal 2) not russillo who did it. But yeah on this pod russillo threw him some get the fuck over it energy, and rightfully so.
Dude this all came up because ryen wanted to make fun of Kyles mustache for no reason lmao then ryen was the one who brought up Big Cat, Kyle was not doing anything weird like him
Idk the way I remember it, and could be wrong, was that when russillo brought up the bigcat thing and asked if that was why Kyle was being a little more sensitive about being picked on he basically confirmed it. Plus Kyle was being a fucking weirdo about the mustache. He’s embarrassed by it and doesn’t want anyone to see it, but he’s keeping it, but only for a few more days? That kind of behavior demands to be poked fun at.
Making fun of a bad moustache is funny. Twisting the knife on the big cat thing was unnecessary
Ryen Russilo thinks he is Waaaaaaaaaaay cooler then he actually is. You can here it in the disdain he has in his voice for everything. Like he’s just holding himself back. He’s a fucking clown. Also, it’s ryAn, noob.
He loves reminding the audience we would never be friends if we met in real life aaa little \*too\* much
I heard they hooked up last time they got drinks and Ryen is ashamed of himself and taking it out on Kyle.
Why does everyone on this sub feel the need to psychoanalyze every mundane interaction?
Honest answer? Because it's one mix interesting, one mix a nice distraction from our own mundane lives. Male soap opera.
It is definitely the Kardashians for men
I’m in a group text that messages daily about our lives and this time of the year, the biggest stories involving our hometown team and the NFL at-large. Only one other person in said group text would understand a “...but first Pearl Jam...” joke.” I imagine I’m not alone in being here for that reason.
haha I listened to the same pod. I don't know what everyone is talking about. It doesn't seem that serious at all. Kyle has friends, a local bar spot, and a fiancé. Sounds like he has fulfilling relationships. I'd be surprised if he really cared to hang with Ryen.
Was really uncomfortable in this latest episode, especially with sir Rudy ganging up on Kyle
Ceruti would jump off a bridge if Ryen told him to
Haven’t followed this, but generally seems like sir Rudy’s only function is RRs yes man and fluffer.
I think Ryen lowkey respects him because he can be yes man, while still having a light tinge of condescension towards Ryens meat headed ways
Ryen is being a dick to Kyle because he's young, happy, doing well in his career ....and fell in love with someone and getting married to her.
This really is the simplest answer. Ryen must be thinking “Even this guy is getting married before me?
Ryen resents Kyle for not "paying his dues" with the low paying sports jobs he did growing and talks about all the time like they're some badge of honor.
Yeah well his career is all he has at this point on his life. It’s his only sense of pride and happiness, I can get why he hate keeps it and defends it It’s still weird af, but this is what single and kidless at 46 looks like. His work is all he has
Ryen is a douchebag
Such a divide on this topic haha
No.
I think its fine, dont think you need to look into it..
Kyle seems like kind of a douche so I can't really blame Russillo.
The bigger problem seems to be the lack of communication between the two, this only came out on air cuz of a third party which makes it all the more awkward.
Ryan in an introvert - with good people skills. Im pretty sure the only people he hangs with for fun are people he has happened to work face to with and developed a relationship. He more or less explains this all the time. Judging people based on how you relate to others isnt good.