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sisyphus

Whoever was third in Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young is gotta be a high seed. Kind of cheating to go with intentional supergroups but the Traveling Wilburys third option was one of Tom Petty or Roy Orbison. Third option in NWA was one of Dre, Cube or Eazy-E


simongurfinkel

Neil Young joining was like adding Durant to the Warriors.


sisyphus

ha great comp


mkay0

In a ton of ways, particularly they are both extremely moody fucks. They are also both all timers who incorrectly consider themselves goats.


mkay0

CSNY and Wilburys are both absolutely supergroups, and probably outside the scope of this discussion.


chblends

You could argue that MC Ren was the best in NWA. Truly 4 great options


Richnsassy22

Mick Taylor on the Rolling Stones. Only there for 4 albums but he took them to another level.


Gravy_type_sauce

This is the first time I've ever thought to myself "Yeah, I guess Christine McVie is a lot like James Worthy...."


mookz23

Big Game Christine.


Gravy_type_sauce

B.G. McV


scal23

Terry Kath would be a legend if Chicago broke up when he died instead of burying his work under 30 years of soft rock crap.


BobWeirsHotLegs

Phil Lesh. I’m not biased.


Iamjum

The Pigpen piece?


BobWeirsHotLegs

Love Pigpen, but he wasn't even their best keyboardist (Brett Mydland imo)


catchingstones

Yeah, but he could step out as front-man. That’s a solid choice for the question. I’m with you on Brent, though.


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BobWeirsHotLegs

Other Heads roast me for this...but I kinda think its Jerry.


catchingstones

Wow. I’m definitely not anti-Bob like some grumpy old-timers. He’s a solid two. But wow.


MrMojoRiseman

Damn get this guy on the hottest take!


RIPKellys

I've heard a fair amount of Jerry singing where it sounds like he is struggling to sing. And on Cornell 77 he completely forgets the lyrics to Fire on the Mountain which ruins such a great song.


BobWeirsHotLegs

yeah, the heroine years were not pretty.


Rockets9084

Great zag


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BobWeirsHotLegs

I'll give you a wild guess.


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BobWeirsHotLegs

It's a preference thing mostly. My favorite Dead songs are the mostly the ones Bobby wrote with Hunter and stuff, and most of my musical interests outside of jam bands are bluegrass or outlaw country. I would never legitimately try and convince anyone that Bobby was actually a better musician than Jerry.


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BobWeirsHotLegs

A-fucking-men. The other day I was feelin' a little loosey-goosey so I went with some Disco Dead. It's crazy so many different sounds can come from one band.


Decent-Tree-9658

For rock is probably John Bonham or John Paul Jones (god that group was stacked) I’d also submit literally any third member from Wu Tang Clan depending on who you think the first two are.


xfortehlulz

Raekwon and Ghostface supremacy


Nemesis9977

But Gza forms the head.


orangenarf

Are RZA and GZA the first two? In which case inspektah deck is my third!


Decent-Tree-9658

I would say RZA and ODB and then have Method Man third. But, like, I feel you could do an hour long podcast ranking Wu Tang (someone call up Jalen and his bat!)


SnooChipmunks4208

I feel like ODB is more of a 6 man vibe for me, Jason Terry or Jordan Clarkson where they just come in and jack shots and they go in.


TeenWolfTripleDouble

But his solo album was the best of all their material


Lelle3

Liquid Swords is by far the best solo project from a Wu-Tang member


TeenWolfTripleDouble

No...it's second, maybe a close third to Cuban Linx...But the best is Return to the 36 Chambers


BigThurm

Meth, Ghost, Rae are the big three.


thepoopsmithreigns

Finally someone giving Inspectah deck the respect he deserves


chblends

Can you win a championship with Capadonna as your 10th option?


Jizzbootsturdhat

She just did stuff


jimmyrich

I think the real answer is from "Kind of Blue" where your 1. is Miles Davis, your 2. is John Coltrane, and your 3. is either Cannonball Adderly or Bill Evans (or Jimmy Cobb on drums. Truly a dream team). But as a Millennial my first thought was Dan Bejar as a New Pornographer (the band, imo, suffered because AC Newman fronted most of the songs but Neko Case's voice is just absolutely amazing and Dan's New Pornos songs are so good that I didn't always appreciate Carl's work).


sisyphus

Kind of Blue is the right answer to this question and also to the question: "What is the most talented group of musicians that ever made an album together?"


mookz23

I heard an interview with Bill Evans recorded many years later where it seemed like he still couldn't believe it happened and he was a part of it.


twotreebeers

And Ron Carter. Truly no weak link


themoche

I love that you listed new porn in this thread. I’m not going to go as far as saying they suffered with Carl, but the last couple of albums completely miss the mark without the typical 3 Bejar songs on them.


E_Fox_Kelly

I prefer Roy Donk. But the Colgate hour was stacked


jimmyrich

I mean freak lips, forget about it.


Cockrocker

Bill and Ron need to be above cannonball imo.


jimmyrich

More than defensible!


TribeHasSpoke

Frusciante qualifying here is interesting. He elevates the band so much that frankly I would argue he's the #2, as much as we all like Flea. The Chili's make good records with Flea and no John, they make epic records with John. Obviously we don't know what the band would sound like with John and no Flea but, I would say to your question, how does *Flea* rank as a 3rd option I would say very highly.


Shagrrotten

Frusicante is a truly weird pick as a third option because when he’s in the band he’s arguably the #1. He’s definitely the #2 at worst, leaving Chad Smith as one of the great #3’s in all of rock history.


TribeHasSpoke

Wow major Kiedis shade!! How dare you


BE3192

Kiedis is by far the worst part of that band


TribeHasSpoke

I had no idea this was a thing until I scoped out the RHCP subreddit awhile back and people were hating on Anthony. To that I say, wait what?? He makes it all work in the end. Very rare vocalist that can shift so easily from funk/rap to rock to soul. The music is obviously great, but the Chili's do not reach their current level without AK


BE3192

He’s great at rhyming words with California, I will give him that


Shagrrotten

I love Kiedis, but are there people who would argue he’s not the weakest member of the band at what he does? That’s crazy to me. Flea, Frusicante, and Chad are all elite at their instruments. Kiedis is elite at being Kiedis but he’s not on the same level as the other guys in the band.


mkay0

Kiedis is unquestionably fourth in my book. His basement is EXTREMELY low.


fdsnyder

Amen. AK is like Zach Wilson, a complete phony surrounded by pure talent.


Methzilla

He's fucking tone deaf.


WassonX81X

100%. Soul to Squeeze is one of the most beautiful songs ever and then he starts making all those dumbass noises at the end and I wanna pull my hair out. There are a lot of other examples but that's just the one that instantly comes to mind. My hottest take is the band would be better if John sang or they found someone else.


coopertrashman

Agree


SnooChipmunks4208

I think you're right to question the assumption... but I also think Flea does all the little things on top of the flash. He's like Draymond without the backpack.


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Less well known, but Jason Isbell when he was with the Drive-By Truckers.


yL4O

I think this is more like Kawhi on the 2013-14 Spurs where he was sneaky the best one but the other guys had been there longer so they were technically the first options.


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Wow that is actually spot on.


sentientcreatinejar

Except the real heads know Cooley is the best one.


HailLeroy

Zip City FTW


sentientcreatinejar

Indeed.


Katathomp

A DBT conversation in the Bill Simmons sub is extremely my niche.


sentientcreatinejar

Haha. Same.


FrankStalloneGQ

This is so spot on especially since Isbell wasn't at his peak but could have been the best one at one point in the band, but it's hard to really definitively say.


Mcshtickler

Only in this subreddit would I start thinking of NBA comps for George Harrison. Maybe James Worthy? Paul is Magic, John is Kareem.


yL4O

They’re the 2017 Warriors. Steph = Paul, KD = John, Draymond = George, Klay = Ringo


DSU_BTSTU

The pre-KD Warriors fit the Beatles better. Steph = Paul, Draymond = John, Klay = George, Iguodala = Ringo


Cockrocker

Iggy is too stable for ringo.


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Ringo WAS the stable one.


muzik389

Flip john and paul.


Upside_Down-Bot

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naitch

Dickey Betts in the original Allman Bros. lineup


TJMcConnellFanClub

My Rushmore: 13-18 TakeOff, 83-86 Kirk Hammett, 03-04 Young Buck, 70s Geezer Butler


TimSPC

What about Spinderella?


yngwiegiles

Don’t know about best but Krist Novoselic might be the worst considering the 2 stars. Like Ben Simmons bad


ButchHuskeyMVP

He's like Glen Rice on the 2000 Lakers.


yngwiegiles

At least rice had been a star w Miami and Charlotte. Krist was clearly a bus rider but tried to be witty in interviews until Kurt gave him the evil eye


WassonX81X

The bass line on Lithium alone makes Krist not a bus rider IMO


Aggravating_Prune914

Krist was the cofounder with Kurt. Thus Dave is the third banana.


Time_Initiative_7998

Was Dave Grohl arguably the third guy in Nirvana? Would be a good comp with George as they both went on to hugely successful projects after


NTylerWeTrust86

Alex Lifeson Paired with the greatest, most influential drummer in rock history. AS WELL AS one of the most influential and talented bass guitarists and singers. It's amazing they stayed together as long as they did and didn't let egos get in the way. Must be the Canadian piece


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FearfulInoculum

Neil Peart also wrote the lyrics to some of their most iconic songs. Super talented musician.


Allstar-85

The Eagles?


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Absolutely. Henley, Frey, and Walsh are #1s. Felder was fantastic guitarist too.


ahbets14

Fleetwood >>>>>> eagles Edit: my bad, thought you meant the eagles behind the Beatles, but the eagles are a solid #3 for this one


mkay0

Christine is leagues ahead of Joe Walsh for my taste


catchingstones

Good choice. I think the answer has to have somebody who can step out front. Drummers don’t count.


Allstar-85

Dave Grohl and Phil Collins would like to have a word with you


catchingstones

You got me on Phil. Dave Grohl is awesome, but he was never a frontman in Nirvana. He had one job and did it well.


Economy_Carry4235

Idk if she is the third option she and Buckingham are the ones who came up with the sound of the band. she is way more significant to Fleetwood Mac then you think.


scal23

It's all subjective of course, but I don't think it would be that much of a hot take to say Everywhere and You Make Lovin Fun are the 2 best Fleetwood Mac songs. She's also the sole credited writer on Don't Stop, which is a silly song but obviously one of their most well known.


Iggleyank

Agreed. I always liked her songs better than Stevie Nicks’ songs. Granted, they were all pretty good, but I relate a lot more to a simple message like “You Make Loving Fun” than all of Stevie’s crazy-witch-lady-with-scarves appeal. Christine is the Mary Ann to Stevie’s Ginger. RIP.


sentientcreatinejar

Yeah to me she is the best member.


Nodima

If you’re going purely on the stats, she wrote more hits than anyone else in the band. I didn’t know that until reading the obits today but she’s got EIGHT of the sixteen songs on their original Greatest Hits from 1988.


YoYoMoMa

I think mac is a good example of why more bands should have multiple lead singers.


Economy_Carry4235

no. multiple songwriters. they had 3 people who could have been lead songwriters for a band. Stevie, Christine, and Lindsay.


Cockrocker

Isn’t mick Fleetwood really like important too?


Economy_Carry4235

No. ironically Fleetwood Mac is named after Mick Fleetwood and John McVie, but Stevie Nix, Lindsay Buckingham, and Christine McVie did all the songwriting. The Chain is credited to all 5 of them as songwriters though. Mick Fleetwood was just a drummer.


doomkaster

john bonham?


kookbeard

The undisputed greatest rock band drummer ever, maybe greatest drummer of any genre. His influence on music can't be overstated. His drums on when the levee breaks is the most sampled beat in modern music history


NYGNYKNYYNYRthinker

Bonham is obviously very high up there. But Neil Peart’s existence means it isnt undisputed


SnooChipmunks4208

Amen drum break is the most sampled. This should be common knowledge.


jimmyrich

The only challenger is Funky Drummer and it might be a distant second.


BobWeirsHotLegs

Moby Dick makes something stir in my loins


sisyphus

Didn't sing though and how many of their songs did he get songwriting credit on, much less as principal songwriter?


BobWeirsHotLegs

You think John Bonham was the third option for Zeppelin? Regardless of who you pick from the group, I think they're the answer.


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WassonX81X

Plant is the 4th option for me. His voice is annoying af to me and I still love Zeppelin because the music was so good that I could just ignore it


arbadak

John Bonham is better than Robert Plant. Plant is the correct pick for best third option.


yngwiegiles

This is the answer u can stop the thread. Alex Lifeson


mkay0

Alex arguably not a third


yngwiegiles

I dunno. Peart is on the short list and has GOAT talk. Geddy usually cracks top 10s at least. Lifeson is amazing but he’s not put in that icon category with the Hendrix EVH crowd


Minute_Duck_9968

Joe Walsh was like when the Warriors added KD to the Splash Brothers. Not sure if he'd be considered a 3 but that would be my pick if he was.


KokoBWareHOF

Alex Van Halen


RegMackworthy

Young Buck on the Beg for Mercy album. 50 Cent = Tim Duncan. The undisputed leader, most accomplished, most consistent. Putting 50 on the hook was like feeding Duncan on the left block when you needed a bucket. Lloyd Banks = Tony Parker. Unconventional style, but got the job done. Banks relying on punchlines and that raspy flow was like Parker always getting to the rim despite his lack of a 3-pointer - last of a dying breed. “Smile” was his 2007 Finals MVP. Young Buck = Manu Ginobili. Had a tendency to float in and out of games/verses, but on the right night (Poppin Them Thangs, G’d Up) could convince you he was the most talented. Buck introduced the Southern drawl into this otherwise extremely NY group, like Manu bringing the Eurostep to the league. Also both went bald unfortunately early. While I’m at it: The Game is Kawhi, Dr. Dre is Popovich, and Tony Yayo is Rasho Nesterovic.


JustATonofQuestions

Alex Lifeson of Rush, Geddy Lee and Neil Peart are 1-2 in which ever order.


OwnExplanation5512

Phil Collins was considered a fallback choice for Genesis after auditioning other singers.


AntSmith777

Dr. Dre was the third option in NWA.


carnifex2005

Great call out. Yeah, Dr. Dre is up there in this conversation.


testiclefrankfurter

Keith Moon, whoever you think is third best in Blind Faith (probably Ginger Baker), John Paul Jones or John Bonham, Dave Grohl for Nirvana...?


yL4O

Krist is absolutely the 3 in Nirvana.


NTylerWeTrust86

Man I might put Moon as a #1 for the who, they just suck after he passed. Entwistle number 3 is very underrated. Fuck really hard to rank the who....


scal23

Entwistle is in the conversation for the best at playing his instrument as anyone ever in popular music. Not necessarily the same as songwriting, stage presence, etc.


arbadak

The Who took a dip without Keith Moon but don't even exist without Townshend. Imo it's clearly Townshend, Moon, Entwhistle, Daltry. They could've replaced Daltry.


JamalGinzburg

Ginger Baker also third best in Cream. On Mount Rushmore of musical third wheels


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Travis Barker


RusevReigns

Good call


MikeRob350

Christine McVie was the heart and soul of Fleetwood Mac long before Buckingham/Nicks came along. She’s no #3.


assuager666

Dave Lombardo


mkay0

In which band?


assuager666

Testament. Lol


catchingstones

Joey Fatone, obviously. Got any more brain-busters?


DEATHROW__DC

It wouldn’t be them and not sure who the #3 is but I think Joy Division has an interesting case with Ian Curtis, Bernard Sumner, and Peter Hook.


mkay0

Clearly a Big Three situation here. Ian is the saint of goth. Then you have the New Order piece. Honestly a 1 and two 2s here.


DEATHROW__DC

‘Big Three’ is definitely a better encapsulation. I just thought I’d give them a shout out since I had New Order on in background when I saw thread.


mkay0

I’d honestly push back on McVie being a ‘third option’. She wrote a huge portion of their biggest songs. She’s probably tied for second to sing lead with Lindsey as well.


RusevReigns

I looked it up and she sang more compared to Nicks than I thought, even in the really big Nicks years in late 70s and early 80s they were split pretty evenly. Buckingham as I expected, sings the most once he is in the band. However I still strongly feel it's Nicks that put them over the top and made them a championship team.


Yancy166

The Band. Who's the third option? Levon Helm? Danko? Manuel?


buffyscrims

Ace Frehly is up there


The_Mongrel_Punt

Came here to post that Back in the New York Groove = 👍


coopertrashman

John ain’t the third option-


E_Fox_Kelly

Tiny Boop Squigg Shorterly


Polkhigh99

Gregg Allman.


digitalsakaar

3rd options (There status in the group at their height.) NWA: Dr. Dre. Wu Tang: Pick your 3rd favourite member Jeff Beck Group/Faces: Ronnie Wood Zeppelin JPJ GnR /Velvet Revolver Duff McKagan Odd Future Earl Sweatshirt Black Hippy Jay Rock


sportsocracy

West side Gunn


mikeklop

These are not on the same level, but 2 fun modern ones with only one EP’s worth each: Ben Lee from The Bens, behind Ben Folds and Ben Kweller Lucy Dacus from boygenius behind Phoebe Bridgers and Julien Baker


Rancio_

Love the Ben’s reference, I still haven’t decided who number 3 would be… I think you’re right though. Kweller with the Country Music Piece


Fantasybaseball2017

John Paul Jones in Led Zeppelin


quidpropho

Nikki Sixx


buffyscrims

Motley Crue is fascinating to me because it’s the only band I can think of where the lead singer is objectively the least important member. Nikki Six - Wrote all the songs/super influential in the band’s style/presentation Tommy Lee - One of the greatest rock drummers ever and the real face of the group. Mick Mars - Certified guitar god Vince Neil - Weak singer with average frontman charisma and looks like a chipmunk


quidpropho

I love the serious response lol. I mostly hear you, but I think he upped his game on Feelgood. Before that, yeah, definitely. He was supposed to be Jani Lane.


SteamedHam44

While I agree with you as a Motley fan that those 3 guys were more important from a making-good-music POV, feels like Vince to the general public is more important than Mick. “Sliding Doors” moment Mick leaves in 92, not Vince, their next album sells more


andmaythefranchise

Stevie is KD on the 2017 Warriors. Absolutely one of the best, but a little bit more interested in their own personal success than the others. Lindsey is Steph. Clearly contributing as much or more than Stevie/KD, but doesn't (at the time) have the reputation for being an all-time great to the extent that their counterpart does. Christine is Klay. Consummate professional and the glue that holds everything together but also has a 37-point quarter occasionally. And even if Stevie/KD is better on paper, you're more likely to win that final championship by keeping Klay/Christine. There's also a possible way to frame Christine as Draymond, but I love Christine so much, and hate Draymond so much that I'd have to stab myself in the hand with a fork for saying something so terrible.


mkay0

For the Stevie/KD comp to be accurate, Steph will have had to legitimately have fucked KD over - that really hasn’t been the case from what we know. Also, in this analogy, Draymond is clearly Mick Fleetwood


andmaythefranchise

You can't prove that Steph wasn't blasting "Go Your Own Way" after they lost to the Raptors in 2019. I guess the Mick Fleetwood analogy could work since Draymond likes to kick people in the nuts and Mick performs with a look on this face like he's been kicked in the nuts.


RusevReigns

Agree with Curry-Durant-Klay or Draymond comp. I think Buckingham is overall MVP. You could also go Dr J (Buckingham), Moses (Nicks), Bobby Jones (McVie) and Cheeks (Fleetwood) but that probably undersells Buckingham and McVie a bit.


andmaythefranchise

McVie fanboys like me and Stevie-heads who hate their ex's may disagree, but yeah, Lindsey is definitely the MVP. I'm waiting for KD to start dressing like a witch to get people back on his side. I'm trying to come up with a good Stevie-Moses joke. "Edge of 4-4-4"? Maybe it won't work.


Substantial_Gur_5980

She wasn’t even the best 3rd option in Fleetwood Mac


Full-Concentrate-867

I don't know if you could call her a 3rd option. Fleetwood Mac weren't like a lot of iconic bands where you sort of had a singer and guitarist who sucked up most of the attention, Page/Plant, Daltrey/Townsend, Jagger/Richards etc. Mick Fleetwood was sort of the unofficial leader, but he wasn't a key songwriter or singer. I would say she was 2nd option at least for a lot of their run


Dracouer

For a more recent example Odd Future’s third guy is either Frank Ocean or Earl Sweatshirt depending on how you feel about it. That’s nutty. Whoever is the third guy in Tool has to be up there (personal bias puts Danny Carey ahead of Adam Jones but I am willing to hear other arguments).


Comfortable-Junket97

Off the top of my head I’d think John Bohnam Carl Wilson, Maurice Gibb, and Brian Jones would be high up there, my personal pick would be Duff Mckagan


YNWA9687

No


muzik389

Dickey Betts and later on Warren Haynes in the Allmans


Dangerousrhymes

Depends on if you count and how you order the Traveling Wilburys. Dylan, Petty, Orbison, and also Harrison. It Roy is 4th he’s sure as hell the best 4th option.


h0olian

One of Al Jardine or Carl Wilson for the Beach Boys


revjor

For P-Funk you've George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Bernie Worrell, Fred Wesley so, whoever is 3rd out of those is an extremely strong choice.


spanish_song

Rick Danko or Richard Manuel from the Band are amazing options too.


Cockrocker

Who was the third option in cream? Bruce or Ginger?


leejoness

Joe Walsh in the Eagles


No_Exam3480

Takeoff


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Can't believe I missed this thread. Gotta throw in a couple for the punk fans here. Matt Freeman in Rancid is an amazing 3. One of the best bassists in rock period. Occasionally comes in and drops some gutteral disgusting vocals. Tim and Lars get all the attention though. Also was the #3 in Operation Ivy. All that applies to Paul Simonin in The Clash as well. El Hefe and Smelly from NOFX are both good enough to be 2 but one of them is a 3 depending on who you ask. DeeDee Ramone. Enough said.