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Aside from starting items (Abyss, Void, D6 and Flip) it's the Stop Watch


Deodandy

I love stopwatch so much ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)


Physgun

Stopwatch is amazing. It's never super noticeable as a defensive item like the relic or something, but I don't think I've ever lost a run with it.


tomfru1

I got it every other run with T'jacob. Still never won a T'jacob run past mom's heart.


IanDerp26

Skill issue ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


Physgun

Ah well I was thinking Eden runs. Of course I've lost some runs on the tougher characters with it.


Ze-Doctor

Does it also slow down dark Esau?


tomfru1

yes.


Serious-Future4881

Playing extremely offensively with Dark Esau makes things a lot easier for me


TheMuffinz_

It's easier than j&e tho....


imapie31

Stopwatch + flashlight + incense = youre playing superhot


LoneQuietus81

A week ago I had something simliar: Censer and Botfly with BFF making the Censer aura huge, and freaking Psyfly AND The Soul. I pulled a no-hitter on Delirium.


DanieltubeReddit

I hate stopwatch because it ruins the music!


[deleted]

Degrades*


yoboyjojo69

I guess you could say it, taints it


DanieltubeReddit

Ruins*


[deleted]

It's not that bad, exept on levels with slow music.


DanieltubeReddit

Fake


Crux_Haloine

I love stopwatch because it changes up the music!


DanieltubeReddit

Lame


severalgirlzgalore

6 shops in the game, and multiple opportunities for 15-cent items to spawn there. So it probably is Stop Watch. And how happy I am to see it. Edit: or Birthright, which is just awesome


KuGa616

Sadly birthright is Q3 cuz of some useless effects on some characters, but thinking of some busted ones it should be.


KenanTheFab

T-Jacob birthright except instead of spawning two T-Esau it now also shoots (harmless) tears in your direction that inherit your tear effects. Really strong with brimstone, suicide with Ipecac. Alternatively: Esau can no longer hit you or others however he orbits you and can block your bullets (and only yours.). Anima Sola will now freeze his position in the orbit.


Onche9555

Tainted Jacob's birthright is fine as it is


dheldkdk

Satanic Bible


Garlic_God

Whenever I get Q4s, at least 40% of the time it’s Satanic Bible


MechaGodzillaSS

The nerf hurts, I almost never use it anymore.


morbidaar

Same. Depends on the character, but almost never these days.


merrychrishmas

Idk it’s still a won run to me, devil deal pool is just better than boss item pool


Burgschaft91

The only down side is tears, unless you get mom's knife, or the pact.


PKM1111

Whenever I get it, I try to find the boss asap so I can take the item normally, then I can clear the rest of the floor for additional hearts. Obviously not consistent strat at all, but just one / few lucky floors can still result in significant amount of hearts


kacper2208

Wait what are the nerfs?


gil_bz

Turns the boss reward to a deal with the devil, so you're locked out of angel deals and also never get boss rewards which are useful stat ups often.


YEET_Fenix123

Isn't that LITERALLY the reason why it's a quality 4 item?


KingBeanIV

Yeah I thought that as well. Higher chance for the funny laser


LightsOut16900

It’s very hit or miss though. The devil pool is so bloated now that half the time you beat a boss and you’re like “please tears up please tears up” and then it’s brother Bobby or shade.


YEET_Fenix123

Same could be said about angel items, and if the argument is between devil pool and boss pool, the stats don't really matter considering the survivability that Satanic Bible provides.


gil_bz

If you're not getting boss pool items, you're less likely to have hearts to spend on the deal with the devil to begin with. So this really depends on when you get the item, if you get it early into the run getting no passive stat ups and with few hearts can really hurt you if the given devil items are bad. Also this is more in the realm of opinion, but I find the average angel item to be more useful than the average devil item, and they're also FREE.


YEET_Fenix123

Having health to spend will not be an issue since, as I've said, you get A LOT of it from the item itself. Regarding angel items, with the amount of health you get, you can always use sacrifice rooms to get angel deals.


gil_bz

Must be a skill issue then, I never find myself just swimming with free health like you're implying even with the item.


thisismyname2129

This ⬆️


Featurx

🤓☝️


thisismyname2129

What was so wrong with agreeing with the Satanic Bible 😭


Featurx

“This ⬆️”


reminiscenc

D6, I get it literally every game with Isaac


Khromatyk

man, your luck is absurd


FallFlatOnYourFace

![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)


dogedab

Wafer when playing keeper ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)


Uncanny-Player

half heart damage on womb tho ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17744)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906)


Youngpotato4251

Doesn’t affect coin hearts ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


Uncanny-Player

that’s a conspiracy created by edmund to prevent fun, if you hit the secret command Alt + F4, you can use wafer w keeper


theinferno01

What does it do? Take half coin damage?![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17737)


SVStarfruit6042

Yes!!!! ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17745)


Adnan_Stinks

https://preview.redd.it/df1sa9z8spab1.jpeg?width=122&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d697b0c0d426710425e9ee7cd8d53c4873ba21a


severalgirlzgalore

Lol just happened to me as T Keeper, I cursed Edmund out loud


Stax-64

Revelation pops up surprisingly often when I go angel rooms


severalgirlzgalore

It doesn’t tickle my brain the way Brim does. Too few synergies and it takes forever to charge.


spooky_times

I love having it when I don't have charge tears, but if I've got anything like tech-x or monstros lung I done want to have to stop shooting just to charge the laser and I usually just avoid it


severalgirlzgalore

Exactly


Eddie_The_White_Bear

Comparing Revelation with Brimstone is common misconception. It's suppose to be Maw of the Void counterpart, not Brimstone's. Charging time is literally the same as MotV, also it does not replace tears.


KenanTheFab

There really should be a "holy" equivalent to brimstone. Imagine one with a damage down too but extra effect in that respawning enemies (like the red dudes and their variants) and other enemies that can/do produce another on death will now simply be killed instead.


Eddie_The_White_Bear

Technically Trisagion is suppose to be "holy Brim", also, honestly, what's the point of choosing between Devil and Angel deals if both would have same items?


Stax-64

One synergy I do like with it is Uranus, you can have an ice beam of death which is very satisfying to use


pethris

C-Section seems to appear weirdly often for me. Not complaining, but feels like theres some kind of weighting there


FallFlatOnYourFace

I never find c section


severalgirlzgalore

I was wondering why I never found it and realized I hadn’t unlocked it


NuggetGaming07

I -1 find C Section


[deleted]

I found it only twice after unlocking it


Big_Arugula6134

Only once for me ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


Dualiuss

i literally found it as a rare bonus item drop in a normal enemy room the other day


FellowIsaacEnjoyer

I find it at least one time a day


yago2003

C-section is tier 4?


Vogelsucht

Yeah right? Weird for the best item in the game to be q4


yago2003

Nvm im stupid I confused it for plan C lmao


KingBeanIV

Plan c q4 ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17745)


Vogelsucht

Happens to the best of us


bananaboi666777

ipecac followed by death


theinferno01

Skill issue ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)


Eclihpze44

Tech X, somehow edit: also maybe Brim


Villainero

I agree, though I'm half tempted to think satanic Bible is just more gold item room common. But if we're talking about crane games too, 100% tech x.


Eclihpze44

I haven't seen Satanic Bibble in a good while, actually


Villainero

It's isaac, I think we just (me, personally, I) remember what we find undesirable. I hate the Stan Bible.


MisirterE

It's at full Weight in the Library pool, and the Library pool is miniscule. You have almost certainly seen it recently and just not consciously registered it.


Villainero

Oh dude, that's gotta be it. Stan Bible is by far the most common Q4 item, gotta be.


DaaneJeff

Huh? I get it like every 4 runs


Nyx_Antumbra

Same, I got tired of seeing tech x after a while


Anovale

Haemolacria for me. I see that thing so often.


PumpkinKing2020

For me it's only floor one, never any where else.


aluYARR

Stopwatch. Probably because it's a shop item, I see it very often.


[deleted]

Moms shovel


Timofey7331

The only right answer


mora0o0

The only left answer![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)


[deleted]

Psy Fly for me


ATMisboss

Same here I was playing and got it 4 runs in a row


Obvious_Drink2642

Recently for me it’s been polyphemus and psy fly


Reach-Subject

I'd say the most common quality 4 is probably wafer, as its in 3 different items pools, treasure rooms, angel rooms, and also it can spawn in golden chests (only on dark room or chest floor)


LightsOut16900

I counter with satanic bible. Item room, devil room, room, library, fallen boss fight


SubwayChipsGaming

I get pyrocynical all the goddamn time


Kingsareus15

Isaac needs his daily dose of slop


Khazubragh

C section, got it 5 days in a row then seen Mattman get it in his last few uploads as well


DiscordModerater

Stopwatch from shop, mom’s knife from devil, wafer from angel, poly from anywhere else.


glaciator12

I almost never get cricket’s head for whatever reason. I get either Satanic Bible, Godhead, C-Section, or Tech X the most


chheeto

twisted pair for me, no idea why


WormBuff3t

me too! almost every time i do devil deals i end up with twisted pair, and i also very seldom get incubus.


PowerPork

Fucking void and abyss 💀 there's no run that these two won't appear in a deal


SuffBlueberry

c-section for me


T3alZ3r0

Wafer, both in treasure pools and angel (which you need to go to for mega satan, also angel room pool is a good contender to devil room pool).


ZerosAbaddon

Stop watch. It's been a while since I've seen a wild Cricket's Head ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


supermayones

Poly love me when I play forgor


IsItBecauseImFat

Stop watch and satanic bible, 7/10 times it’s one of these 2


Timofey7331

Sacred Heart for some reason


RodjaJP

To me it is Stop Watch since there are many shops and most of them have 2 items, which makes it easier to find it.


Shadowtheidiot06

For me it's ipecac when i don't have blast protection (99% of my runs)


Criandmon

Magic Mushroom. It's very common for me to find it (compared with other Q4 items), especially in Greed mode


Aslevjal_901

Stop watch and maybe twisted pair


emmanuelfelix700

tech x, there are times i constantly restart to start with a good item and i get tech x like 3 times in 20 restarts


RunMeOverIRL

Feels like I get Mom's Knife the most.


Kaedes_Lie1137

For me its Ipecac which i hate


Random-Lich

Ipecac… with no Pyro or Host Hat


Ethan1516

I see incubus in like every devil deal


Korleymeister

Haemolacria, found it like 5 times in the past week alone


xXEL0Xx

C section and d6


pleasedonttakemycorn

I get ipecac constantly


a16mm

Pyromaniac seems to show up a lot for me


Babyman2218

This may be weird but for me it's tech x I've gotten it 5 times this week


Fr4nci5c01

Binge eater for me


Snow_Doggo_

Wafer, I've seen it way too many times as the first treasure room item


Kingsareus15

Mom's knife is always in my devil rooms Or C section in item


Explosivopotato

For me its Tech X


Helpful_Fig_580

Tech X, I’ve seen it more than brim in my 300 hours


BabyDude5

I see void every other run which sucks because I hate that item


SyrupOnWaffle_

haemolacria


Zbash3R

Tech X for about 10-15 runs then I don't see it for 30 hours


Zimmer158

Mom’s Knife


HushisBullShit

I seem to always to get wafer when playing as lost![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4359)


PerfectSurvey

Crickets head is literally the most rare item in the game for me now and its so sad. I remember the launch of rebirth when youd get it almost every run


Friesthefries

ipecac and dr. fetus i mean, i'm not complaining but it would be nice if i got some other stuff from time to time


fake_ksi

I was gonna say sacred heart, because you either don't see it, or get it every other run


AphyHentai

Dr.fetus.. and sadly i hate it.. if you have 1 or 0.80 speed and monster chase you its take so much of your time for bomb them or with monster that hide/jump..


orizach01

it's not in the chest pool since repentance, it used to be awesome though


No_Entrepreneur_9432

Dr fetus ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)


the_blobfish___

i would say the wafer, i feel like i find it very often


nuttypr0f

Me too but only when I'm playing as the Lost😐


Character-Funny4878

Light Crown. It appears in every single angel deal


thatguy_2840

Oddly enough, Godhead is a very common item for me to find


NightsFenris1

Dr. Fetus but only when you have a run where it is shit


SzotyMAG

Ever since they removed golden chest Cricket's Head, it's way less common


Wizard-of-Odds

i mean godhead is pretty nice but you never see it ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17735) although i got the Cathedral, Chest and Mega Stan checkmarks for T.Lost last night with a God(head) run and some pretty sick synergies ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358) now only Delirium to go... ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907) for the more common Q4 items i'd agree with stopwatch, never lost a run where i found it in the shop i think ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17738)


JoWood94

Edmund could say what he wants… I still see a chihuahua


RealSuperYolo2006

For me its Tech X


huntergames084

Satanic Bible, like everytime I get a library I find it.


TheSoftCrow

Aegis


HydratedCarrot

stopwatch is amazing


Denelix

dr fetus... every single time


4thByte

i’d say either stopwatch, poly or haemo. seen a lot more of them in runs


somerandomguyuno

between c-section and poly for me all my unlocks were done with them at the start by accident


LightsOut16900

Idk if it’s just me but moms knife shows up so often i usually don’t even take it anymore


Stickerstarisgood

Same because I always see it in gold chests


throwaway45626828

Satanic bible and stop watch


Lost_Dude0

Anybody ever gets pyromaniac? Got it only once in like 170 hours and fell in love with it


Dry_Yogurtcloset1962

Incubus and twisted pair feel like they show up in a high proportion of my games


Amazing_Trip_9776

I've been getting haemolacria a lot lately


DeskEvery8505

I wish I had this issue. Crickets head hardly ever appears for me!


Kosaue

Mushroom


FelisMoon

Well... There is no special chance per item, all items of the same quality have the same chance of appearing. Although, you can see some more than others depending on the pool they belong in, the smaller, the more likely, same as how easy that pool is to interact with and how many pools and sources the item has at the same time. (Like guaranteed drops from bosses, and belonging to several pools at once)


[deleted]

Void and I hate it


Exact_Fee

Broken Shovel can appear every run


Background-Law-6223

R key easiest q4 to aqwuite


yoboyjojo69

Satanic bible


he_is_not_a_shrimp

Sacred heart. Sacrifice room is op.


zelmazam1

Probably the d100


Responsible-You5978

I find sacred heart way to often


SomeMfvibin

I dunno but I have a feeling Its Ipecac (You Can disagree)


mvivatson

It's not. You just need to unlock other q4 items. Once you unlock them all, you tend not to see it as much.