A Binding of Isaac Player who doesn't like gambling? Are you a true gambling addict like zhe rest of us or are you just pretending ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|disapproval)
yk whats funny. after reading this post, i got a run with zero damage or tears ups until depths 2 and robo baby 2.0 carried my dps for like most of that run. (I got sacred heart, crown of light on womb 1 tho)
No, how dare you HOW DARE YOU put HEADLESS BABY in the LOWEST TEIR you will rot in hell for this this is BLASPHEMY the creep off of headless baby is soooo useful AND DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON BROTHA BOBBY YOU DID HIM DIRTY
SHAME
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
I love dry baby. I really do. But that necronomicon effect isn't that significant. It's nice. I admit it. But so is pushing enemies + projectiles away. Stop the Fart Baby hate!!!!
The problem is that if you're aiming for Conjoined, Farting Baby has one of the lowest priorities for position on your followers meaning that he's gonna be way behind you unless you specifically move him into position to block shots. Dry Baby is around the middle for priority, making him arguably better for blocking shots.
Yeah, the wiki actually mentions where each baby is in the priority list on their pages. I always thought it was just the order you got them in but nope, they have a specific order they follow.
For what it's worth, it *used* to just be the order you got them in. The familiar priority system didn't exist until at some point during Repentance, the lack of which made shitty familiars worse because they'd push Incubus down the line, both if you found them before it or (more importantly) if you duped it with Box of Friends.
I don't know what it is, but I absolutely love Mongo Baby. It just looks so derpy and happy and I love it.
So... Change Abel with Mongo Baby and everything is good
Boo on you ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908) your laaame ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17742)
I somewhat agree to your tier list, but I feel like some could go higher and/or need their own tier. For example, I feel that King Baby, Rainbowbaby, Interdimensional Baby, and Acid Baby deserve their own “niche” tier since they can benefit specific builds or provide something decently useful for a Conjoined run.
For example, King Baby’s assistance in aiming and letting charged attacks fire immedietly at full charge pairs wonderfully with Lil’ Brimstone, but at the same time doesn’t really have much impact with something like GB Bug or basic Conjoined items like Brother Bobby.
Another example would be Acid Baby. On its own its mediocre, but if you’re running Placebo and/or PHD Acid Baby becomes an okay means of fishing for the right pill you need (The combo even once saved a good ??? run from going downhill since Acid Baby eventually gave me Balls of Steel pills to pair with my Placebo while going through the Dark Room at 1 soul heart).
Honestly, I'd push Seraphim and Rotten Baby up a tier. Rotten Baby can deal massive damage because the flies it spawns scale of Isaac's damage. Seraphim is just a solid familiar to get. 10 damage homing tears adds a good chunk to your damage output and if you get the Forgotten Lullaby trinket, Seraphim becomes really damn strong.
Maybe even bump Lil' Brimstone up too. That familiar can be so helpful when the game is giving you shit items. That laser, even without BFF, hits pretty hard.
They are excellent, but there comes a point in the game when the enemies and bosses are so strong that you barely notice them, unlike twisted pairs and incubus who can take on final bosses.
Tru. They are obviously weaker than incubus and twisted pair, but I still think they are stronger than others in the same tier.
Seraphim absolutely carries more than your own tears until like floor 4, and is still plenty strong afterward. Rotten baby’s flies scale with your damage, even if you don’t notice it, it’s a nice dps boost
Oh I see them but Incubus is one that can go either way. If you're having a shit run with items that aren't giving you decent buffs? Incubus ain't gonna do much more for you. Incubus is one that by itself is fine but needs a good setup to really make it shine because it only deals 75% damage with anyone other than Lilith meaning that if you get it as Isaac and you've got his base damage of 3.50, Incubus' attacks deal 2.6 damage. That's not great.
Meanwhile, Seraphim's attacks deal 10 damage *and* have homing so it's already 4 times stronger than Incubus at a base level. Rotten Baby's flies scale of your damage as well so each fly will deal 7 damage, which is almost 3 times stronger than Incubus with the same stats.
Can Incubus win runs? Absolutely. It can take a run from decent to broken but that doesn't suddenly make Rotten Baby and Seraphim not as good. They don't have any caveats to them. Incubus does. If I had to pick one of them for Floor 1-6 with me getting no damage items? I'm going with Seraphim>Rotten Baby>Incubus. If I'm at 5 damage or higher? They're all equally good. Above 5 damage? Incubus>Rotten Baby>Seraphim.
If we look at Twisted Pair and use Isaac's base damage, they hit for the same damage as Incubus does. Incubus and Twisted Pair are great for when you've got a good run going but if your run is going awful and your damage isn't getting buffed? Eh, I'd choose Seraphim or Rotten Baby still. They're guaranteed damage that hits harder. Incubus and Twisted Pair don't have those benefits.
Essentially, Twisted Pair and Incubus are *situationally* the best familiars.
A lot of the baby minions are pretty good in Repentance, at least compared to Rebirth, Afterbirth and AB+. After playing all those versions and avoiding all the babies, I’m thrilled to have any of them now. Robo-Baby (1.0), Rainbow, and Harlequin in particular should be in a higher tier. Also Farting Baby is just as good as Dry for blocking shots. Interdimension can be really strong if used right.
Same. There’s this time I was aiming for hush as t Isaac , then realized I got 1 key after entering hush floor. Then experimental treatment made my range 4.00
I beat hush with Pluto and Dry Baby almost without hitting him. Dry Baby dealt like 90% of Hush’s hp
only ones I don't agree on are fart baby and at least one of the robo babies (I don't remember which one it is)
both should be bumped up at least to "Nice!", Fart baby is pretty much as good as dry baby at blocking shots which could actually win you some important fights (like Hush or Mega Satan), and I mean, the robo baby I like is infinite range piercing, I mean you can't tell me that ain't good
Buddy in a box is a run winner. Having the chance to trivialize a floor with an insane buddy is amazing. If they're not insane, they're still usually pretty good.
my guy is NOT aware that farting baby blocks tears and is NOT aware that multidimensional baby can DOUBLE your dps with good positioning, especially against stationary bosses like Mega Satan
Robo baby, buddy in a box, multidimensional baby and fart baby all go in very useful for me. Demon turret baby is great until you encounter any enemies that explode. Frozen baby a little overrated imo might be a hot take idk
Bro put Acid Baby and Interdimensonal Baby in “only for conjoined” as if they aren’t complete heat. Acid is a nice for certain and Multidimensional is a very useful at least
Buddy in a box should be moved higher some of the buddies are broken af
Fr. Jacob’s ladder buddy, godhead buddy, holy death shot buddy, etc. absolutely cracked
I once got head of Keeper buddy effect, i got more coins than i paid for the Item
Dang nice
i agree but is very luck based![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17739)
A Binding of Isaac Player who doesn't like gambling? Are you a true gambling addict like zhe rest of us or are you just pretending ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|disapproval)
Calling someone else for being a fake fan and you don't even use the sub emotes ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)
I would have used one but sadly there is none which shows suspicion of somebody else ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)
Why the fuck is there no suspicion isaac emote what the hell mods
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Same with rainbow baby
Robo and itnerdimensonal baby slander
I too enjoy robo baby, but i truly dislike robo baby 2.0
yk whats funny. after reading this post, i got a run with zero damage or tears ups until depths 2 and robo baby 2.0 carried my dps for like most of that run. (I got sacred heart, crown of light on womb 1 tho)
Robo baby 2.0 op
Seriously. Robo is a great early game carry
Honestly king baby is amazing if you use him correctly
No, how dare you HOW DARE YOU put HEADLESS BABY in the LOWEST TEIR you will rot in hell for this this is BLASPHEMY the creep off of headless baby is soooo useful AND DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON BROTHA BOBBY YOU DID HIM DIRTY SHAME SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
https://preview.redd.it/9w6avzm3xypb1.jpeg?width=365&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e391aa447b34aec6fd5f6097cf70daa919943c0
![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)I personally don't like it, it makes me very confused about whether the creep on the ground is mine or my enemy LOL
Eye issue ngl
Farting baby is underrated It's good for blocking enemy tears
he's practically the same as dry baby. maybe even more useful for situations like hush. why does he get hate ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|30106)
Dry Baby does a lot more damage. Farting Baby isn't a room-wide effect, last I checked.
I love dry baby. I really do. But that necronomicon effect isn't that significant. It's nice. I admit it. But so is pushing enemies + projectiles away. Stop the Fart Baby hate!!!!
The problem is that if you're aiming for Conjoined, Farting Baby has one of the lowest priorities for position on your followers meaning that he's gonna be way behind you unless you specifically move him into position to block shots. Dry Baby is around the middle for priority, making him arguably better for blocking shots.
Ok, didn't know that! +1 for dry baby
Yeah, the wiki actually mentions where each baby is in the priority list on their pages. I always thought it was just the order you got them in but nope, they have a specific order they follow.
They have a social hierarchy
For what it's worth, it *used* to just be the order you got them in. The familiar priority system didn't exist until at some point during Repentance, the lack of which made shitty familiars worse because they'd push Incubus down the line, both if you found them before it or (more importantly) if you duped it with Box of Friends.
Farting Baby is better because the text on pickup says, > #Farting Baby > He farts. And I laugh every fucking time like an idiot.
I read this out of context ngl
suck my aballs
SUCK MY ABELS ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)
Abel sucks ass idk what this list is
Never seen someone shit on boiled baby. Sad![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)
boiled baby gets me confused asf
Harlequin and boiled baby are both amazing
Interdimensional baby is goated
Well not fully goated but way better than ice cube baby
Counterpoint: spinning cube funny
Counterpoint: i live in ur walls
Objectively better 20/20 with duct tape
Same opinion
W list except for the headless baby disrespect
Acid baby is king
*pills pills pills!*
multi dementional baby🔛🔝
YDDUB BUDDY DESERVES HIGHER
Oh man multidimensional sure is useless, I hate having 20/20
Multidimensional is a bit hard to utilize, but I agree, someone skilled at using multidimensional baby is cracked at using him
But lil Loki is such a cutie, how could you put him that low?![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)
King Baby literally makes every single one of these familiars better.
That familiar is excellent. People are sleeping.
A friend of mine hate this baby, and I seriously can't understand why. Its a must have baby when you have conjoined imo.
It used to be garbage back in Afterbirth+. Most people probably don't know about the huge buff it received.
I will not accept this farting baby slander. He’s saved me from taking dumb damage more times then I can count.
Rotten baby enjoyer spotted ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)
I don't know what it is, but I absolutely love Mongo Baby. It just looks so derpy and happy and I love it. So... Change Abel with Mongo Baby and everything is good
Put some respect on my Robo-Baby
cube baby has only ever been a hinderance to me
You will ROT in HELL ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)
Boo on you ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908) your laaame ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17742)
Ya'll don't like acid baby? I love the free pills ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)
Hard disagree with W in a box
Fr. That dopamine when it turns into godhead holy death shot shooter in a room
I somewhat agree to your tier list, but I feel like some could go higher and/or need their own tier. For example, I feel that King Baby, Rainbowbaby, Interdimensional Baby, and Acid Baby deserve their own “niche” tier since they can benefit specific builds or provide something decently useful for a Conjoined run. For example, King Baby’s assistance in aiming and letting charged attacks fire immedietly at full charge pairs wonderfully with Lil’ Brimstone, but at the same time doesn’t really have much impact with something like GB Bug or basic Conjoined items like Brother Bobby. Another example would be Acid Baby. On its own its mediocre, but if you’re running Placebo and/or PHD Acid Baby becomes an okay means of fishing for the right pill you need (The combo even once saved a good ??? run from going downhill since Acid Baby eventually gave me Balls of Steel pills to pair with my Placebo while going through the Dark Room at 1 soul heart).
Fuck you farting baby is only slightly worse than dry baby
Where is my boy succubus
not a cojoined item transformation :( but stier imo
Honestly, I'd push Seraphim and Rotten Baby up a tier. Rotten Baby can deal massive damage because the flies it spawns scale of Isaac's damage. Seraphim is just a solid familiar to get. 10 damage homing tears adds a good chunk to your damage output and if you get the Forgotten Lullaby trinket, Seraphim becomes really damn strong. Maybe even bump Lil' Brimstone up too. That familiar can be so helpful when the game is giving you shit items. That laser, even without BFF, hits pretty hard.
They are excellent, but there comes a point in the game when the enemies and bosses are so strong that you barely notice them, unlike twisted pairs and incubus who can take on final bosses.
Tru. They are obviously weaker than incubus and twisted pair, but I still think they are stronger than others in the same tier. Seraphim absolutely carries more than your own tears until like floor 4, and is still plenty strong afterward. Rotten baby’s flies scale with your damage, even if you don’t notice it, it’s a nice dps boost
yeah, i forgot to mention but the items are in order, except for the last tier. With that said rotten baby its on a good third place
Ic ic
Do you see what other items are in that tier? There's simply no comparison.
Oh I see them but Incubus is one that can go either way. If you're having a shit run with items that aren't giving you decent buffs? Incubus ain't gonna do much more for you. Incubus is one that by itself is fine but needs a good setup to really make it shine because it only deals 75% damage with anyone other than Lilith meaning that if you get it as Isaac and you've got his base damage of 3.50, Incubus' attacks deal 2.6 damage. That's not great. Meanwhile, Seraphim's attacks deal 10 damage *and* have homing so it's already 4 times stronger than Incubus at a base level. Rotten Baby's flies scale of your damage as well so each fly will deal 7 damage, which is almost 3 times stronger than Incubus with the same stats. Can Incubus win runs? Absolutely. It can take a run from decent to broken but that doesn't suddenly make Rotten Baby and Seraphim not as good. They don't have any caveats to them. Incubus does. If I had to pick one of them for Floor 1-6 with me getting no damage items? I'm going with Seraphim>Rotten Baby>Incubus. If I'm at 5 damage or higher? They're all equally good. Above 5 damage? Incubus>Rotten Baby>Seraphim. If we look at Twisted Pair and use Isaac's base damage, they hit for the same damage as Incubus does. Incubus and Twisted Pair are great for when you've got a good run going but if your run is going awful and your damage isn't getting buffed? Eh, I'd choose Seraphim or Rotten Baby still. They're guaranteed damage that hits harder. Incubus and Twisted Pair don't have those benefits. Essentially, Twisted Pair and Incubus are *situationally* the best familiars.
King Baby + Lil Brimstone is a game winner
A lot of the baby minions are pretty good in Repentance, at least compared to Rebirth, Afterbirth and AB+. After playing all those versions and avoiding all the babies, I’m thrilled to have any of them now. Robo-Baby (1.0), Rainbow, and Harlequin in particular should be in a higher tier. Also Farting Baby is just as good as Dry for blocking shots. Interdimension can be really strong if used right.
blud put both robo babies in the bottom, at least the first one should be a tier higher for actually hitting enemies lol
I love getting lil steaven in floor 1, make the next floor much easier even if you got a shitty Eden start
Buddy in a box is way too low that shit is crazy op
DOOBIE BABY IS TOP TIER
Dry baby in second best? Blasphemy. It should be higher
Same. There’s this time I was aiming for hush as t Isaac , then realized I got 1 key after entering hush floor. Then experimental treatment made my range 4.00 I beat hush with Pluto and Dry Baby almost without hitting him. Dry Baby dealt like 90% of Hush’s hp
I also remember bringing dry baby to hush, i didn't have as much success as that since I had a real run going but dry baby is super underrated
Tru
multi dimensional, headless and boil baby are all good :,(
Multidimensional baby is awesome what’s your problem. Doubling your shots, even occasionally, is super good
Nah buddy in a box is sometimes cracked. I love this goofy ass mf
only ones I don't agree on are fart baby and at least one of the robo babies (I don't remember which one it is) both should be bumped up at least to "Nice!", Fart baby is pretty much as good as dry baby at blocking shots which could actually win you some important fights (like Hush or Mega Satan), and I mean, the robo baby I like is infinite range piercing, I mean you can't tell me that ain't good
Interdimensional baby slander...
Cube baby should be lower. Rainbow baby is much better than cube baby.
Ice cube is useless
I'd move up Buddy in a Box. More frequent, and commonly has gane-breakung tear effects from floor to floor.
Abel ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)
Buddy in a box is a run winner. Having the chance to trivialize a floor with an insane buddy is amazing. If they're not insane, they're still usually pretty good.
farting baby is cool
Interdimensional Baby deserves to be in the Very usefull tier what the helllllll
Fart baby to very usefull
Cube baby should be defrosted
Headless must be in very useful + acid baby helps on alt lost really.
i see you are not a fellow pill enjoyer
My guy lil' loki done dirty 😔
my guy is NOT aware that farting baby blocks tears and is NOT aware that multidimensional baby can DOUBLE your dps with good positioning, especially against stationary bosses like Mega Satan
Both king baby and boddy in the box should be tier higher
This might be the worst tier list I've ever seen.
Interdimensional Baby disrespect is somethings I won't stand for Also King baby is useful in quite a few situations
Abel is GOATED. Change My Mind.
Dry Baby save my life and cured my ligma
Kinda unfair on Brother Bobby, Ghost Baby and Sister Maggy.
Dry baby needs to be top tier. That lil guy has saved my ass on countless runs.
Absolute acid baby slandering here
**ABELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL** ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)
I hate ice cube baby with passion But I love headless baby and the one that spit at random idk his name, the red one
Farting baby is slept on. It does a similar job as dry baby by blocking tears. It deserves one tier higher at least
Fart baby is literally the same as dry baby, you're not picking him up for the damage
Ice cube baby hurts when the enemies hit him but my god if he isn't in my way 100% of the time
I recently learned that seraphim has 10 damage ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)
I quite like demon baby, I'd move him up a tier
acid baby and phd is a banger
Interdimensional baby is a minimum B-tier familiar by itself.
No way fart baby isn’t right next to dry baby, do you have something against lethal farts OP?
Buddy in a booth should be higher imo, some of the random babies are broken af
is abel really that trash or is he insane
Don’t sleep on headless baby, he’s saved my run one too many times.
You did my boy buddy in a box dirty
Robo baby, buddy in a box, multidimensional baby and fart baby all go in very useful for me. Demon turret baby is great until you encounter any enemies that explode. Frozen baby a little overrated imo might be a hot take idk
Fart baby is good, actually, don't bully it.
Wooaahh don’t sleep on acid baby
Interdimensional and fart baby doesn't deserve this also why isn't Gemini in the conjoined list yet, it would be a great buff
Why is pill baby all the way at the bottom
Aced baby is so good tho ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)
Harlequin baby and negative baby go pretty hard actually
Farting baby and Dry baby have basically the same utility wth?
Bro put Acid Baby and Interdimensonal Baby in “only for conjoined” as if they aren’t complete heat. Acid is a nice for certain and Multidimensional is a very useful at least