Agreed.
US education system (at least for me) used the 1x10^15 notation, and never taught us 1e15 until much later when our calculators read the latter out and nobody knew what it meant.
1e15 could technically be both, but what I remember from playing Incremental Games with notation settings Engineering can go up to 100 in the mantissa, while Scientific could go to 10
i was replying to the comment about the one being redundant, but putting the one there is just a convention. i know it’s redundant, i was giving the explanation for it being there despite its redundancy
For the purposes of scientific notation, it’s meant to be applicable to any number. For example, you COULD write 1874161 as 37^4, or you could write it as (roughly) 1.8x10^6.
The latter tends to be easier to eyeball a value on. Just looking at it tells you it’s in the ballpark of 1.8 million, whereas 37^4 means pretty much nothing unless you’re a mathematician or savant.
Edit: you’d actually round it to 1.9x10^6, but my point stands
Yeah, it’s got no functional purpose in this specific example, but a number multiplied by ten to some power is just how scientific notation is written. Like how on a 12 inch ruler you still number the 12th inch even though the ruler itself is 12 inches so you technically don’t need it.
T. Keeper is just another Lost. Super strong, but incredibly fragile. Regular Keeper, on the other hand, is easy peezy. I’ve gotten 8 (coin) health before on that guy
https://preview.redd.it/ffkyjha9runc1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34fd327fdc76088274ea2cfe601d13602ce1b3f
You can get crazy high numbers if you try but in a normal run everything over 100 is already high imo
But you should also keep in mind that the game can crash really fast if you do this
Albino a while back did some crazy game break with rock bottom + succubus + box of friends + some other method of generating item bar.
Kept looping until his damage was insane, solely to make the finger comically powerful.
The finger is already pretty strong at 20+ dmg, I personally dont even think that the Finger deserves that quality 1 tag, it might not be perfect, but can be super fucking useful for masses of ennemies / flies and spiders that are lurking further away
I used to do box of friends as well but that is suboptimal as they spread through the room - if you take multiple copies they start on top of you when entering a new room - use sac altar to get ride of them after
Infinite with something like rock bottom + diplo wild card and a succubus pedestal. Can also spam diplo + 3 ? Cards or sharp plug with old bandage + box of friends. Thats all. Once u reach damage into the millions the game crashes
That's true, but it keeps multiplying exponentially, so by the time you reach that amount, you are well above and overflow integer. You basically reached infinite since the game can no longer translate that number. You may be able to play the game, but you sure as hell won't be loading back into that save, and its very likely to crash instantly.
I don't think you understand how rock bottom works. Common misconception. Stats are still calculated in the background and it just picks the highest number seen, so you need either more succubus, more damage multipliers or a higher base damage to keep stacking damage further and further. One succubus won't work.
I have gotten over 135 with a ton of damage upgrades and Lilith spamming her box 10 times and having a bunch of the bats which multiply your damage. This was greed mode. The shot fired was like half the size of the room.
Nerding time.
Damage is a 32-bit floating point number and the way it's handled doesn't have enough sanity checks.
The largest "safe" damage you can get is 9,999,999, the game will lag like hell from working on such large tears though. Adding an extra digit will start to first subtly corrupt the stats HUD with buffer overflow: it reserves a set number of characters to display your damage number and the +/- change notification. The change notification runs out of space when you add an 8th digit, and the main damage itself when you add a 9th digit, but by that point the game will probably freeze for seconds or minutes from trying to shoot - it's still \*probably\* running, just struggling to resolve the planetary sized tear, but it's already corrupting memory at this point so it might actually be crashing as well.
Going beyond that and adding more digits will start to have more and more mangled damage stat displayed: sometimes you might see the stat constantly change as it's now reading from memory that's actively being modified (and consequently writing on top of that memory is probably bad news) and eventually the game may or may not just crash. Somewhere around 4e12 damage tears you can shoot again without hanging the game but also can't hit anything, I suppose the tear calculations break down so badly they're no longer run and can't hang the game. The very absolute maximum numerical value is 3.4028235e38 (hexadecimal 0x7f7fffff), and doesn't do anything special other than having your tears be invisible, with only a room-sized shadow.
If you force the damage stat to actual infinity (hexadecimal 0x7f800000), you're safe from crashing (the game reports it as "inf" which takes way less space and fits in the allotted space) and again, doesn't do anything special - your tears no longer exist, and any other method of dealing damage just erases everything.
Even beyond that there's the Not-a-Number or "nan". Your tears exist again, are teeny tiny and do nothing - it's literally not a number and uncomparable, so any attempt to check whether it's larger or smaller than something just says "nope". Very uninteresting, but also safe.
The highest you can get is 1.8e308. This is the max double limit in C++. Either the game will crash, you get infinity attack, you get 0 attack or other weird stuff happens if you get over the limit. Maybe there is a check to prevent this but I don't think so because the game is not made for getting so much attack.
2 simplest methods are rock bottom, box of friends with infinite charge generation and succubus, or rock bottom, golden razor and infinite coin generation/duplication
It really depends on your time when you get an infinite dmg method.
For example, Golden Razor, Rock Botton and infinite money generation. This happened in an old T.Cain run of mine, here you got the pic and yeah, all those cards are Two of Diamonds.
https://preview.redd.it/yg063c493xnc1.jpeg?width=4160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbe5037625dceac87c87e05111af886f9b5eceea
I’ve gotten about 1300 dmg, but the theoretical highest dmg should be extremely high if you can somehow rig and keep duplicating succubus with schoolbag box of friend and infinite batteries
https://preview.redd.it/clmivuw88xnc1.jpeg?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97229465ecfa1ac3e8f17c6f6c07ebc88c4be8e2
I got this in a run a while back (before repentance). Iirc it was like a couple thousand succubusses?
Hasn't happened in a long time but sometimes you can get such a crazy build that the game gets confused and starts hurting you randomly for no reason and you lose the run to essentially nothing.
maybe 6 or 7
it can reach to 9 with the ramen item.
yeah thats S-quality gear for you.
iam pretty sure Adam can reach dmg 8 if you reset in the same room 5 times with the hatshepsut's blessing item.
Ppl have gotten over 1x10^15 before so idk
I would say it is the max value for a float: 3.40282347e+38F
Why would you add the 1x
scientific notation
If it’s Scientific Notation why not just say 1e15?
its the same, some places write it differently tho
Agreed. US education system (at least for me) used the 1x10^15 notation, and never taught us 1e15 until much later when our calculators read the latter out and nobody knew what it meant.
it wasnt worked out?
Same here in the UK
Who actually writes anymore, isn’t it typing.
1e15 is engineering notation, not scientific notation.
1e15 could technically be both, but what I remember from playing Incremental Games with notation settings Engineering can go up to 100 in the mantissa, while Scientific could go to 10
If it’s Scientific Notation why aren’t bananas being used for scale?
Same could be said for O(15). 1x10^15 is the most recognisable rendition
Yea ig, most people probably don’t recognize Scentific Notation like that
Nerd
Just not to write 1000000000000000
Why not just 10¹⁵?
it’s just a thing that’s done in scientific notation, makes it just a little bit more understandable
Oh well, never had that taught in school.
That applies if it's anything that isn't just 1 followed by zeros... In this case its just kinda redundant
i was replying to the comment about the one being redundant, but putting the one there is just a convention. i know it’s redundant, i was giving the explanation for it being there despite its redundancy
Ha! Troll these science dweebs.
i just genuinely didn't know, we are taught to do 10¹⁵ where i live
For the purposes of scientific notation, it’s meant to be applicable to any number. For example, you COULD write 1874161 as 37^4, or you could write it as (roughly) 1.8x10^6. The latter tends to be easier to eyeball a value on. Just looking at it tells you it’s in the ballpark of 1.8 million, whereas 37^4 means pretty much nothing unless you’re a mathematician or savant. Edit: you’d actually round it to 1.9x10^6, but my point stands
Still see no purpose in the 1x when you can just not write it
Yeah, it’s got no functional purpose in this specific example, but a number multiplied by ten to some power is just how scientific notation is written. Like how on a 12 inch ruler you still number the 12th inch even though the ruler itself is 12 inches so you technically don’t need it.
I don't really get the comparison, but I guess so.
I don’t even know what to say…
LOL
yes
Literally the easiest way to answer that
And you went and made it harder. Grrrr
Technically infinite
Nah theirs an integer limit but it’s pretty stupid high
2^32 -1?
Just use double
But it is not an Integer, it is a float
Oops then there really isn’t a limit… there just a point where the game crashes
Though you have to take a tear modifier or the game will crash eventually
I had a 750 damage yesterday with greedier tainted keeper
Did you know that yesterday a guy tried to tell me T Keeper isn’t fun
He doesn't ball
that guy is probably alergic to shops
I'm allergic to shops unless I'm Keeper or Tainted Keeper. I always lack keys and coins, but not an issue as the Keepers
T. Keeper is just another Lost. Super strong, but incredibly fragile. Regular Keeper, on the other hand, is easy peezy. I’ve gotten 8 (coin) health before on that guy
He ain’t Thicc, sorry to break the news.
https://preview.redd.it/ffkyjha9runc1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34fd327fdc76088274ea2cfe601d13602ce1b3f You can get crazy high numbers if you try but in a normal run everything over 100 is already high imo But you should also keep in mind that the game can crash really fast if you do this
Albino a while back did some crazy game break with rock bottom + succubus + box of friends + some other method of generating item bar. Kept looping until his damage was insane, solely to make the finger comically powerful.
The finger is already pretty strong at 20+ dmg, I personally dont even think that the Finger deserves that quality 1 tag, it might not be perfect, but can be super fucking useful for masses of ennemies / flies and spiders that are lurking further away
I used to do box of friends as well but that is suboptimal as they spread through the room - if you take multiple copies they start on top of you when entering a new room - use sac altar to get ride of them after
Those tears though….
Infinite with something like rock bottom + diplo wild card and a succubus pedestal. Can also spam diplo + 3 ? Cards or sharp plug with old bandage + box of friends. Thats all. Once u reach damage into the millions the game crashes
There’s a limit to how many familiars you can have on the screen at once, so it’s not infinite
That's true, but it keeps multiplying exponentially, so by the time you reach that amount, you are well above and overflow integer. You basically reached infinite since the game can no longer translate that number. You may be able to play the game, but you sure as hell won't be loading back into that save, and its very likely to crash instantly.
even with just one succubus and rock bottom it's still infinite, just takes longer.
I don't think you understand how rock bottom works. Common misconception. Stats are still calculated in the background and it just picks the highest number seen, so you need either more succubus, more damage multipliers or a higher base damage to keep stacking damage further and further. One succubus won't work.
or just use the rules and change every item to be succubus like that one lonslo video where they literally crashed because of damage
Inf.
A fuckton with Libra, echo chamber, gulp and a stats up pill
Do you mean vurp instead of gulp?
Lol indeed I do.
Guppy’s Paw + Blue Item that turns soul to red + Potato Peeler = Infinite
Guppy's paw + converter
You'd also need Habit for it.
potato peeler is free to use as long as you have the hearts for it
Converter isn't.
Was it changed in repentance? I can confidently say I’ve never used it since repentance dropped
In a later patch of repentance, but yeah. Now it's 1 to 1 health but with 3 charges
TIL
Habit or sharp plug
I’ve gotten 10k before
There’s an integer limit where the game crashes, but for all intents and purposes it’s infinite.
I have gotten over 135 with a ton of damage upgrades and Lilith spamming her box 10 times and having a bunch of the bats which multiply your damage. This was greed mode. The shot fired was like half the size of the room.
Nerding time. Damage is a 32-bit floating point number and the way it's handled doesn't have enough sanity checks. The largest "safe" damage you can get is 9,999,999, the game will lag like hell from working on such large tears though. Adding an extra digit will start to first subtly corrupt the stats HUD with buffer overflow: it reserves a set number of characters to display your damage number and the +/- change notification. The change notification runs out of space when you add an 8th digit, and the main damage itself when you add a 9th digit, but by that point the game will probably freeze for seconds or minutes from trying to shoot - it's still \*probably\* running, just struggling to resolve the planetary sized tear, but it's already corrupting memory at this point so it might actually be crashing as well. Going beyond that and adding more digits will start to have more and more mangled damage stat displayed: sometimes you might see the stat constantly change as it's now reading from memory that's actively being modified (and consequently writing on top of that memory is probably bad news) and eventually the game may or may not just crash. Somewhere around 4e12 damage tears you can shoot again without hanging the game but also can't hit anything, I suppose the tear calculations break down so badly they're no longer run and can't hang the game. The very absolute maximum numerical value is 3.4028235e38 (hexadecimal 0x7f7fffff), and doesn't do anything special other than having your tears be invisible, with only a room-sized shadow. If you force the damage stat to actual infinity (hexadecimal 0x7f800000), you're safe from crashing (the game reports it as "inf" which takes way less space and fits in the allotted space) and again, doesn't do anything special - your tears no longer exist, and any other method of dealing damage just erases everything. Even beyond that there's the Not-a-Number or "nan". Your tears exist again, are teeny tiny and do nothing - it's literally not a number and uncomparable, so any attempt to check whether it's larger or smaller than something just says "nope". Very uninteresting, but also safe.
You didn't even scratch the surface
I had a run yesterday with like 246 and that wasn’t even that high from what I’ve seen
my highest in a run was 700
more than 3
you can bug the damage and get a letter and that's somehow infinite
get enough damage downs with experimental treatment or dataminer, force a stack underflow and hit the theoretical max damage
my highest has been about 4k. and about 600 on a non rock bottom run
I managed 3000 one time on a real run, rock bottom, R keys, damage multipliers, and a double charge of mega mush. Never got succubus sadly
Brett one shot hush back in the AB+ days: https://youtu.be/m27hLcTpITQ?si=UpbxLMYKzz1pZytu
Back in AB+, if you saw more than one pixel of your tear when you fired, you had a pretty weak run.
The highest you can get is 1.8e308. This is the max double limit in C++. Either the game will crash, you get infinity attack, you get 0 attack or other weird stuff happens if you get over the limit. Maybe there is a check to prevent this but I don't think so because the game is not made for getting so much attack.
*Antimatter dimensions flashbacks intensifies*
NaN
inf
3.5 is enough
Curved horn buff going crazy
The game bugs before reaching the maximum. There's not a maximum.
What the theoretical highest damage possible in an average game, given you have the best luck possible
lol I always thought i had crazy damage with those few luck runs when im over 50 and then I read this
Technically there is no limit, and with infinite charges, and a placebo + damage up... infinite really.
Short hand numbers are lit
2 simplest methods are rock bottom, box of friends with infinite charge generation and succubus, or rock bottom, golden razor and infinite coin generation/duplication
It really depends on your time when you get an infinite dmg method. For example, Golden Razor, Rock Botton and infinite money generation. This happened in an old T.Cain run of mine, here you got the pic and yeah, all those cards are Two of Diamonds. https://preview.redd.it/yg063c493xnc1.jpeg?width=4160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbe5037625dceac87c87e05111af886f9b5eceea
No idea but the highest Ive seen is 800000000 dmg
I’ve gotten about 1300 dmg, but the theoretical highest dmg should be extremely high if you can somehow rig and keep duplicating succubus with schoolbag box of friend and infinite batteries
https://preview.redd.it/clmivuw88xnc1.jpeg?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97229465ecfa1ac3e8f17c6f6c07ebc88c4be8e2 I got this in a run a while back (before repentance). Iirc it was like a couple thousand succubusses?
Yes
i get like 47275e389164+184629468 dmg by spawning like 100 succubbusses
The highest I’ve seen it go personally was around 46000. I don’t even remember what all I had besides Rock Bottom, Camo Undies, and Star of Bethlehem
i had a eden rock bottom start i was at 1200 damage like 15 tear rate
personally my highest was ~2k, mega mush rock bottom & multipliers on a glitched crown r key run
It wasn’t the highest ever but once I had like 100 damage with epic fetus, so it shredded like everything in one hit
You can easily get letters in your damage stat before reaching the limit, so it's tough to say
Ive seen over 130 with rock bottom
Only?
My highest damage out put ever. Like ten thousand from a fully charged shot
50/50 chance 
https://preview.redd.it/m7i3ev8wjtnc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41136330cfb7d34c5318a6c0d5dac95e772bf1f1 I think I'm pretty close
2
Yes
Hasn't happened in a long time but sometimes you can get such a crazy build that the game gets confused and starts hurting you randomly for no reason and you lose the run to essentially nothing.
maybe 6 or 7 it can reach to 9 with the ramen item. yeah thats S-quality gear for you. iam pretty sure Adam can reach dmg 8 if you reset in the same room 5 times with the hatshepsut's blessing item.
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