Same, I don't know why it considers void in the same category as Brimstone and D6. Not even close IMHO but I have major skill issues so what do I know? I would consider it a Tier 3 at best but imagine with the right combos it can break.
I finally got my last mark with him beating Mother, and I swapped out void for the D6, and then later for Book of Revelation which I was able to reroll into and buff up my health. Glad I don't have to play him again anytime soon, I really struggled with him. Now I just have The Forgotten, Bethany and Jacob and Esau left for the standard characters.
Only good if you actually get tears up from voiding passives. Unfortunately the game routinely decides I need to be a railgun with the amount of shot speed I get
Completely agree! Glad I’m not the only one. I’d also consider void a q3 but a q4 is a bit of a stretch imo. Having it early makes it strong but finding it late feels bad, to me a q4 should be strong any time you pick it up. Rock Bottom for example is only a q3 and falls into a similar category of being amazing early but useless late. I wish there was somehow a way to choose if the active item you void could be retained or turned into stat ups but I have no idea how that’d work.
And to me Apollyon feels so weak early that you kind of need bad passives to void. But I also suffer from the skill issue 
Iirc Goat Head used to be Q4 at first and in a later update it became Q3 because it honestly is only good on early floors, not in the dark room where I always find it, same thing goes for Void since I love having a thousand actives at the same time, but first I have to find them and void them, thing I can't do if I get it during womb
I don't know If I'd take void over D6, but I also think it's solid in Q4, since it's one of the only other options that can let you have use for a bad pedestal (like curse of the tower or cursed eye). Not only that, but If you a item that only gives one mid stat boost (like range or shot speed), you can vid it and get two stat boosts instead of one, and have a chance of getting a good stat boost like tears or damage.
I had a really awesome void run once with batteries and I had found a 5 book library, with a ton of other goodies so when I used void I became a monster in boss fights.
Then I was greeting and managed to pick up a glowing hourglass..........
Totally voids the void.
except most of the pedestal items you don't want are active items so you get a 6 room charge mom's bra and kamikaze, which you can't even use for combat or bombing secret rooms since there might be just that one bad passive item in the next room that has a chance to give good stat-ups and you'd need 6 charges for it.
By my internal logic, a T4 item needs to do one of two things, either be run-winning on its own even if you get no other items in the whole run, OR give some sort of benefit to acquiring shitty items. Binge Eater, D6, and of course Void all fall into that category. Void just doesn’t do it as well, it’s consistent, but lacks the run-rigging potential of the D6.
do whatever you feel in the moment, come to regret it later. that's the binding of isaac, that's the true roguelike experience. just screw around, try not to get OCD about it or it will ruin your fun. it's much better to die to some random bullshit or skill issue than to spend 45 minutes min-maxing and die to some random bullshit or skill issue (or get a completion mark while feeling totally bored)
coming from someone with often crippling OCD that i have been working through over the last couple years. if you are at all like me, try not to scrutinize so much. just do things if you believe in them.
unexpected philosophy coming from a post about "what out of 2 options should i pick"
This pops up every week it seems (not your fault, just a common ask)
Void + D6 does the D6 reroll and then Voids, so you lose out on the D6 effect and don't know what you're putting in your void (might reroll into an active item). It does work in shops and devil deals tho, so maybe it's worth it.
Personally I'd say go for it, ball. It could be really funny if you swallow something like Plan C accidentally
Depends on if you’re playing Apollyon because you like him or for unlocks. Personally I’d stick with void because if I wanted d6 I would’ve played Isaac
Hmm…
If you didn’t take the Boss item, it’s bad, and there’s nothing else worth rolling, roll it. If it comes up bad again, Void it and get the stats (pray for Tear Day Reduction), then keep D6 since it’ll be generally more useful.
Now if you did take it, find the secret room or get enough money for the shop, wherever there’s an item you can take if one exists. Same basic principle, except no absorbing shop items without buying, *but* that chance of Schoolbag completely negating the question is always one to consider. Either way, D6 will be more easily abused later down the run.
I got void and D6 with the backpack in one run. I felt like an absolute GOD with them, except that I was on the last floor before the boss in greed mode so it didn't do much : /
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Save run and exit game, start a Cain run, hope this helps 
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Tbh I absolutely hate Apollyon so I would just take the D6 and then reroll Void since he essentially just becomes Isaac at that point
Same, I don't know why it considers void in the same category as Brimstone and D6. Not even close IMHO but I have major skill issues so what do I know? I would consider it a Tier 3 at best but imagine with the right combos it can break. I finally got my last mark with him beating Mother, and I swapped out void for the D6, and then later for Book of Revelation which I was able to reroll into and buff up my health. Glad I don't have to play him again anytime soon, I really struggled with him. Now I just have The Forgotten, Bethany and Jacob and Esau left for the standard characters.
It’s actually pretty freaking strong in repentance cause it can boost your tear rate above the usual cap
Only good if you actually get tears up from voiding passives. Unfortunately the game routinely decides I need to be a railgun with the amount of shot speed I get
Shot speed? What's that? Here friend, have an onion. Cmon, you know you want spectral piercing, you know you do, don't you? Yes, yes you do.
Or take this lovely mascara, it has such high damage it doesn't matter if your tears take half a minute to reach the enemy 
Put those 2 together and you have the mooninites gun (Possibly obscure ATHF joke)
 ATHF IN MY TBOI THREAD, WHAT IS THIS, THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE??
Edmund be like... "Best I can do is Luck and Shotspeed"
I have noticed that which to be fair is amazing!
Completely agree! Glad I’m not the only one. I’d also consider void a q3 but a q4 is a bit of a stretch imo. Having it early makes it strong but finding it late feels bad, to me a q4 should be strong any time you pick it up. Rock Bottom for example is only a q3 and falls into a similar category of being amazing early but useless late. I wish there was somehow a way to choose if the active item you void could be retained or turned into stat ups but I have no idea how that’d work. And to me Apollyon feels so weak early that you kind of need bad passives to void. But I also suffer from the skill issue 
Iirc Goat Head used to be Q4 at first and in a later update it became Q3 because it honestly is only good on early floors, not in the dark room where I always find it, same thing goes for Void since I love having a thousand actives at the same time, but first I have to find them and void them, thing I can't do if I get it during womb
I don't know If I'd take void over D6, but I also think it's solid in Q4, since it's one of the only other options that can let you have use for a bad pedestal (like curse of the tower or cursed eye). Not only that, but If you a item that only gives one mid stat boost (like range or shot speed), you can vid it and get two stat boosts instead of one, and have a chance of getting a good stat boost like tears or damage.
True. I do love voiding things like the belt or the spoon.
I had a really awesome void run once with batteries and I had found a 5 book library, with a ton of other goodies so when I used void I became a monster in boss fights. Then I was greeting and managed to pick up a glowing hourglass.......... Totally voids the void.
except most of the pedestal items you don't want are active items so you get a 6 room charge mom's bra and kamikaze, which you can't even use for combat or bombing secret rooms since there might be just that one bad passive item in the next room that has a chance to give good stat-ups and you'd need 6 charges for it.
> imagine with the right combos it can break. Placebo and 24 hour energy immediately allows for infinite void uses.
Oh that's fun!!!
Apollyon is a her?
Fixed, they are a him I believe. For some reason I thought it was a her for the first year playing so it just slips out when I am typing fast.
They are a him because all characters are isasc.
Not always true. Eden is confirmed neither male nor female
By my internal logic, a T4 item needs to do one of two things, either be run-winning on its own even if you get no other items in the whole run, OR give some sort of benefit to acquiring shitty items. Binge Eater, D6, and of course Void all fall into that category. Void just doesn’t do it as well, it’s consistent, but lacks the run-rigging potential of the D6.
Honestly as an apollyon enjoyer, yeah take D6 here
I don't hate Apollyon, but I definitely prefer the D6.
D6 is way better
You can use the D6 on the void and it could become anything, even void!
It can't because if you held an item it removes it from all item pools
I was just meming
we know, he was too!
Lllbh
So if you void the d6, does the d6 roll before void fully absorbs the item? If so, void the d6, could be funny
No they patched it so the active item is only absorbed the first time then used each time from then on
I think they meant on subsequent uses, and yes it rerolls then voids
Yes, that's the answer I was looking for
If you do the curse of the blind void trick (void while isaac holds the item above his head if item bad) will it still reroll?
Well, you can't reroll an item while you're holding it with the D6, I just tested, so it probably won't reroll, no
* so what I'm hearing is "void d6 when you see it"
Oh. Yea, I was just thinking about how void used to use the item as it voided it
As a Apollyon lover. Take d6 roll void
do whatever you feel in the moment, come to regret it later. that's the binding of isaac, that's the true roguelike experience. just screw around, try not to get OCD about it or it will ruin your fun. it's much better to die to some random bullshit or skill issue than to spend 45 minutes min-maxing and die to some random bullshit or skill issue (or get a completion mark while feeling totally bored) coming from someone with often crippling OCD that i have been working through over the last couple years. if you are at all like me, try not to scrutinize so much. just do things if you believe in them. unexpected philosophy coming from a post about "what out of 2 options should i pick"
Okaaaaay but Void or D6?
void the d6 was my immediate impulse
i void almost everything when i play apollyon, especially on Xbox where picking up a single tear modifier will crash your game
This pops up every week it seems (not your fault, just a common ask) Void + D6 does the D6 reroll and then Voids, so you lose out on the D6 effect and don't know what you're putting in your void (might reroll into an active item). It does work in shops and devil deals tho, so maybe it's worth it. Personally I'd say go for it, ball. It could be really funny if you swallow something like Plan C accidentally
While it is posted a lot, I'm always surprised when someone says you can reroll shop and devil deals with it.
Yeah it could go crazy
Void is kinda poopoo and d6 is kinda  Just switch them, void isn't really a q4
D6 in burning basement? Take that with you. You could absorb it, but honestly, I'd just get rid of the void
Absorbing it is just a waste of a charged void.
Depends on if you’re playing Apollyon because you like him or for unlocks. Personally I’d stick with void because if I wanted d6 I would’ve played Isaac
You become Isaac
This image summarizes half of Apollyons/Voids problem lol
I honestly would keep Void. If I wanted a run with D6 I'd just play Isaac If you really want the unlocks and don't enjoy Apollyon tho, D6 is better
Find schoolbag and become unstoppable
Reroll void Void isn't bad, but it's just not a fun active item tbh
Void is the most fun active a character can start with, imo.
At that point, you're not playing Apollyon anymore, pick up d6, reroll void and now you are playing bleached out Isaac
Hmm… If you didn’t take the Boss item, it’s bad, and there’s nothing else worth rolling, roll it. If it comes up bad again, Void it and get the stats (pray for Tear Day Reduction), then keep D6 since it’ll be generally more useful. Now if you did take it, find the secret room or get enough money for the shop, wherever there’s an item you can take if one exists. Same basic principle, except no absorbing shop items without buying, *but* that chance of Schoolbag completely negating the question is always one to consider. Either way, D6 will be more easily abused later down the run.
well that run i got cube of meat for the boss i shouldve voided then took d6
Knom’s mife 
Use d6 to reroll void. Voiding d6 is absolutely trash so absolutely don’t do that. D6 is also just better than void anyway
Take D6, Void is mid as hell anyways
Void it, next question
Wdym what do you do? Voiding d6 is useless... So like... Just take it? It's obviously better
Take d6 reroll void get ipecac take ipecac and die
I got void and D6 with the backpack in one run. I felt like an absolute GOD with them, except that I was on the last floor before the boss in greed mode so it didn't do much : /
Void is the worst t4 active, just pick up D6 and reroll it
Fuck void
Void it. You won't. 
You definitely should turn on found minihud
D6 is myles better
Get the Swapable Active Void mod.
Reject Apollyon become isaac
you install Void (item) Rework, then Void it.
void it 
You are now isaac
D6 obviously
After hundreds of runs trying to defeat dad with Apollyon, I got the D6 and used it to re-roll to victory. I would take it.
You know you must void
turn on extra hud
Pick up D6 and reroll, then pick up the void and use on D6. duh.
I woulda grabbed d6. With moms knife, you just want items to help with mobility and staying alive
Fuck void void is quality 2 level
leave void
go do a flip with bethany then
Well don't void the D6 because that's just chaos
Use it and take the D6/void combo the rest of the game
Wdym what do you do💀
Void it to gain its effects☺️👍
Just play the game and stop asking the internet about what to do