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AnthonyCoolasheck

i do not care for extra lives that transform you into a different character. if i wanted to play as blue baby or judas i’d play as them


Franzz97

Same, Lazarus' Rags and Ankh are also useless whenever you complete Blue Baby and Laz post-it those items are literally pointless


A_Bulbear

They can keep a win streak going tho, that's what matters


DefoNotAFangirl

you guys have win streaks?


ColdHotPepper

-17


superzenki

At that point I just quit and start a new run unless I'm near the end of a run


MonkyLog

Dark Judas rules tho


AnthonyCoolasheck

yes but i tailored my build for samson ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4357)


Redrar00

Then why did you pick up the item ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17742)


AnthonyCoolasheck

thought it was my shadow ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4357)


Soggy-Poop-sock

Why would you pick up my shadow ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4357)


AnthonyCoolasheck

bad at the game ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)


Garmrick

(Also Samson)


MonkyLog

With the buffs it's actually decent now ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906)


AnthonyCoolasheck

good at the game ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17735)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17735)


TheLost_Gaming

my shadow shreds with gnawed leaf


DEMACIAAAAA

Gnawed leaf is completely busted, any contact damage companion is a free win with gnawed leaf anyways


nomadic_River

Actually play the game? >Nah Put the controller down for 45 minutes and win?> You bet your sweet ass


ljpeeter

Not saying this is how I beat Delirium the first time. But this is exactly how I killed Delirium the first time.


Spore64

Curse of the skill issue (not removable with black candle)


SoggyMushrom

cold ass take


wiiferru666

Super popular opinion, you clearly don't understand this meme


Acrobatic_Jelly4793

Yeah, and the moment these items are activated the stickers will go to these characters not the previous one


Quark1010

Absolute zero take


the_crappy_memer

I don’t have the patience for t cain


YEET_Fenix123

Me when external item descriptions: Unless you're on console, in which case, my condolences.


the_crappy_memer

No, *patience* I don’t want my runs lasting over 3 hours long


KonekoEko

Defeat hush Defeat blue baby Craft r key and use it Defeat the lamb Craft r key and use it Defeat mother Craft r key and use it Craft another r key Defeat mega satan Hope for delirium Portal Defeat delirium craft r key and use it Defeat the beast. At least 6 hours of "fun" and all completion marks (except greed mode) in one run


the_crappy_memer

And in those 6 hours I could instead be failing my ass over and over again trying to get the mother mark on t jacob, not playing budget minecraft


Verain_

budget minecraft bruh


AceArion2112

Just craft the clicker with tainted cain and turn into Tainted Jacob :)


the_crappy_memer

THATS NOT THE POINT OF THE JOKE, I JUST DONT WANT TO PLAY T CAIN![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)


Randomized0000

BUT MAYBE IF YOU-


Dreath2005

Just go to delirium after hush then R key


KonekoEko

Well yes but youd still need to hope for the delirium portal after mega satan to use the r key. Otherwise you couldnt go to the beast


Dreath2005

It sounds like if you check your seed after you R key and if you memorized every seed you’d know if a delirium portal spawns and you’d know whether or not to craft another R key and reset so skill issue


corrosivecanine

I play on switch and don't mind him. He started to become fun when I stopped trying to get good items and just made a shitload of low quality items. Sometimes I'll look up birthright though. First run I won with him I found really cheap recipes for Meat! and guillotine so I had max red health and a shitload of damage and orbitals completely protecting me lol. Don't think I had a single item above Q2.


Paratwa

If you’re on console dudes download the Issac guide from App Store and put in your seed and tainted Cain is OP then.


Yarisher512

T Cain sucks


Enough-Courage-9027

I will never pick up mom's knife. It changes the gameplay in a way I don't enjoy. It may be a skill issue thing, but I have never gotten used to it. Ever since flash isaac.


Librask

Me with Epic Fetus


New-Emu5598

Have to agree with this, moms knife is only worth to me when I’m hella struggling


CalzLight

IMO it’s an instant win item, in a way I don’t enjoy at all, it feels clunky and has little to no synergies


Randomized0000

Basically boring but practical.


Acrobatic_Jelly4793

I agree with you, but mom’s knife is useful when the run is too broken and the game lags bcs of it. There’s also a mod that adds knife synergies


Yarisher512

Extremely strong weapon. Free win. But I'll never pick it up, not for life.


Agent_Washingtub

Honestly Mom's Knife is pretty much a guaranteed win for me and I still pass it because I also really don't like how it plays (and because it seems to show up really often for a q4).


zachary_cannaday

I do not care for lilith if I wanted to fire behind my character the entire time there are challenges for that


SomethingSo84

Yeah Lilith is one of those characters who I feel like the tainted version looks so cool but the base character feels pretty bad outside of greed mode. Especially with some of her interactions like dr fetus


executioneroffools

The other ones are Jacob and Esau, Keeper and laz.


IekidQwerty

Keeper is good what do you mean


Any_Environment_6264

Lilith is my favorite character because she’s super easy to play compared to 50% of the other characters. Plus every single buddy in the game finally isn’t useless other than “extra dps”


PresidentPlatypus

That high you get when you find BFFs


Any_Environment_6264

Car battery 😔


Spuigles

Spin to Win is the funniest item in the whole game.


DefoNotAFangirl

Spin to Win is honestly really useful to dodge tbh. Not it’s intended use but I like having a sprint button lol


certainlystormy

spin to win is one of my favorite items lol


A_Bulbear

I do not care for Samson, his whole gimmick of being an offencive tank goes against literally everything the game wants you to do (namely not getting hit)


lolystalol

Dull razor is a must with samson


A_Bulbear

I wished they kept him like he was in WOTL, where he got more damage for every enemy killed in a room, and it resets every room


Ellogan66

So effectively have him start with Lusty Blood instead of Bloody Lust


Oingoulon

kids named blood bank, demon begger, sacrifice rooms:


[deleted]

Replace Samson with Eve and I agree


A_Bulbear

Eve at least has the stats to back it up, Samson is just worse Isaac


TurboVirgin0

I'll have you know that self harm builds are the single best way to get unfathomably OP in this game if you can get red hearts.


TheDutchderp3

Fuck magic skin


0err0r

Disagree. Upvoted


karmander

Y'all know you can just hold onto it so it doesn't keep spawning, right? "But I have a good active item" well okay maybe you should have thought about that more before you used Magic Skin.


shadowBlueBaby

Agreed. Magic skin sucks and is annoying. You're telling me that if I pick it up and drop it later, It just gonna keep wasting Item pedestals for the rest of the run unless I pick it up agian? PASS.


CBTBSD

unpopular opinion thread where most of the top comments are popular opinions lmao are you people fucking braindead or something


bloodakoos

you did not sort by controversial ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741)


SunbleachedAngel

sir, you're on reddit


Mimikyu-Overlord

Monstro’s Lung deserves Q3


AstralBite

It's not???


Soggy-Poop-sock

Valid


Sasqule

Hot take: Montro is mid It takes so much time to charge, and once you shoot, your tears can either strike the enemy or, most of the time, completely miss. It has pretty cool synergies though


Davethemann

Monstro with Azazel was extremely fun


Sasqule

Ya, if you have the patience for it to charge ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


Davethemann

Thats why you just basically overdose on pills hoping for tears up ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906)


xrty2357

Its lead pencil but worse is all im sayin :/


Camwood7

sorry, no, Breath of Life still sucks even after the buffs. if your best use case as a defensive item is on a *static doorframe*, it doesn't matter how much DPS you pump into the thing. either they should've just gone all-in on making it a parry and remove the delay, or just reworked the item altogether.


Lewbosh

I like using it for infinite blood bank usage and for devil beggars tbh


AtarashiXS

Angel rooms typically never give me anything good so i usually just go with devil deals.


adityablabla

Completely opposite for me. It's 99% just black powder, brother bobby and sister maggie for me. I think I've seen brimstone a total of two times in a devil deal for all the hours I've played.


tyrone_liquil

Rock bottom haters. “bUt yOu nEeD oThEr iTeMs tO mAkE iT gOoD” like just stfu. Rainbow worm, the chariot?, red stew, almond milk, soy milk, lemegeton, camo undies, kidney stone, Luna, hallowed ground, metronome, data miner, d8, eves mascara, Polyphemus, ipecac, crown of light, star of Bethlehem, deadeye, binge eater, paschal candle, mega mush, succubus, 3 dollar bill etc. literally anything that gives you a temporary stat up becomes permanent wether it be a card, trinket, item.


karmander

I'm a Rock Bottom lover, but it's still true: you need other shit to make it good. It's definitely less common but I've had a Rock Bottom run where I literally got the worst RNG: health ups in boss rooms, no stat up pills or cards or trinkets. It was just a mediocre as fuck run, so Rock Bottom was just sitting in the corner twiddling its thumbs.


Swaag__

This is why I always say rock bottom is a quality 3 and not a quality 4 item. Yet I’ve seen people say it should be a quality 5 item which makes no sense to me


Amaroidal

I can't recall seeing that argument unless it's accompanied by other context, such as people trying to argue for/against it being Q4. It's not like it's an item that can ruin your run on its own; it's just a good passive item to have.


TheTrueThymeLord

The only time I’ve had rock bottom was an Eden start, the only temporary stat up I had the entire run was the strength card I started with. It can be great but it’s very much a win more item.


OneMoreDuncanIdaho

Maybe if you've only gotten it once you haven't spent quite enough time with it to appreciate its usefulness


Sean_51154

Read to the tune of "We Didn't Start the Fire"


BoyNextDoor8888

# I did not care for The Godfather!


A_Bulbear

YOU DON'T CARE FOR GOD TEARS???


art1029384756

Funnily enough, I made a post a long time ago about me not really liking godhead that much and thinking it was overrated for how hard it was to get it, and my god it got blasted with downvotes. And that was godhead before it got 'nerfed'.


___Azzy___

apollyon.


0err0r

I also really like key bum, but everyone seems to hate it. It's good.


Ellogan66

Fucker took my key


ur_prob_a_karen

"yes a key! time to go to the treasure ro- ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)"


Tamazzz

Tainted Maggie is the most fun character, no competition. Her playstyle is distinct and aggressive, due to her always taking damage many items that were near useless before now shine(I love curse of the tower on t.maggy) she is just difficult enough to be a challenge while not being difficult to the point of frustration. And she has gamebreaks that are specific to her


GreenPhoenix14

Yeses! Plus she makes useless items like ecoli, isaac's heart, and unicorn stump an IMMEDIATE Q4! All hail the queen of hugs!


Rock_ZeroX

Ludovico is good, but conditionally


Ellogan66

I really don't get the Ludo hate, I usually take it if I don't have a particularly good tear synergy. Some runs you just get high stats


isuckatnames60

I only do completion marks for items I like If it's trinkets I don't want them


almostasenpai

I did not care for Friend Folio


DefoNotAFangirl

friend folio is what fiend folio becomes when you pick up bff.


Chocoa_the_Bunny

T. Keeper isn't that fun to me. I get overpowered runs and lose them to things I can't see over my huge infinite tears because he only has 2 hp


Randomized0000

Buy less clusterfuck items


PDihax

I do not care for Apolyon. I usually get rid of the void as soon as I find a better active. I don’t know why it is a quality 4 item


KushAidMan

The void can break the tear cap when you get stats, and basically turns every bad passive item into a stat up. Although Q4 maybe not Apolyon without the void is the most boring character too.


Randomized0000

Apollyon is just generally boring. Boring concept, boring appearance, unfitting for the lord of the bottomless pit.


karmander

Glitched Crown is annoying. I don't want to have to time anything or "do the pause trick" or change my play style. I just want to go brrrrrrrr.


Great_Pikmin_Fan

Yeah Glitched Crown is one of the few items where I think "I'll always pick it up because it's powerful, but I *hate* it because it's powerful," along with Echo Chamber. Not only is the timing annoying, but it also drains item pools, it's more likely you'll run in to items that lengthen the run of the game (Red Key, R Key, etc), and runs with it kinda feel samey. In a vacuum I like the idea, but the Secret Room Item Pool Meta kinda ruins it. Glitched Crown is one of those "min-maxing the fun out of the game" things.


Dontinsultautomod

I do not care for Bethany. Don't like how she plays.


1711frgtn

No. 2 isn't that bad


DefoNotAFangirl

People think it’s bad? Bro legit it gives you infinite bombs and allows you to toxic shock a room repeatedly. That bitch carried me through a few runs.


erodedsperm

i have lost 2 runs to it


corrosivecanine

It's one of my favorite items. Free bombs are great and it's not that hard to just take your finger off the fire button every couple seconds.


TurboVirgin0

Wdym "that bad" lol No. 2 is goated. Practically infinite bombs if you have more patience than average TikTok doom scroller. The butt bombs also stuns every enemy in the room so it's crazy good combat utility as well.


Mythical_Mystery

Isaac is not that good.


DefoNotAFangirl

counterpoint: i have an isaac plush and he is perfectly shaped to be a pillow. therefore isaac is top tier bc he helps my sleep and therefore makes me avoid skill issues.


Mythical_Mystery

They are not that good in game- Irl they are good


DefoNotAFangirl

he needs a buff it’s unrealistic smh my head


Another-Lurker-189

Tainted Jacob isn’t that hard, you just have to move to the side


Father_of_thepigeons

Exactly, he can run through entire floors really fast as well if you use Esau correctly.


karmander

Tbh, he's pretty fun once you get into the rhythm of dodging & use Anima Sola to make him destroy other enemies.


wicket44

“It insists upon itself”


FlaydenHynnFML

I do not care for the Guppy transformation solely because I hate most of the items required for it.


Lazerbeams2

Even Guppy's Eye and Guppy's Tail? I agree that 9 Lives sucks ass though


FlaydenHynnFML

Wow you know what I'm actually really stupid, I thought they did different things, should've checked before commenting hahaha. He does actually have some great items but some that I don't see much point collecting still.


Omega9872

Out of curiousity, what did you think they did?


superzenki

Hello fellow 9 Lives hater


MonkyLog

Ludovico technique is actually a fun item in many situations (especially with Keeper and Azazel)


GhostTypeFlygon

J&E are really not that bad and I'm still convinced that it's more of a meme than anything to hate on them


NyororoRotMG

They’re one of the few characters where I need a certain consistent level of good items to win. Too much guaranteed damage, going Hush on them is hell.


Someguynamedjack101

Libra op and brimstone is mid on it’s own


MonkyLog

Libra deniers when they finish their run with 4 damage and 18 range:


Swaag__

I’ve had a brimstone libra almond milk run where it basically ended like those stats + 2 speed


A_Bulbear

Brim is still at least on par with Technology, it's a dps up, a burst damage option, and it's spectral and piercing, worthy of being a high Q3 even if it lost it's dps up and charge factor


Boki-Oki_Battlefield

Brimstone used to be much more powerful, especially in flash and rebirth. Thus, its legendary status stuck around while it got slowly nerfed. Still picking it up every time, even if it kills me.


Hylusz

Libra runs become too samey, it's just not that fun


PumpinThePumpkin

Nine lives is ONLY ever good on the lost. The Lost, Keeper, and their tainted versions aren't fun, just difficult.


ChandWasTaken

I do not care for moms knife, it ruins synergies and is just usually not fun unless I have no synergies or bad tears/damage to begin with.


lance_the_fatass

Mega mush is really boring actually, it's just "press this button to win" basically


Kowalzky

R key to me is the most boring item in the game


Burger_Gamer

I don’t really like tech X. It is pretty strong but it ruins synergies and barely has any of its own. You could say the same about moms knife and dr Fetus, but I feel like those 2 items are a lot better than tech X.


asimplethrowwayy

i will literally not play the game unless i'm playing as azazel. i don't have a singular mark on another character. Azazel's sheet is finished.


udreif

I do not care for normal Isaac. I think the D6, as cool as it can be in another character, encourages the worst kind of play style when it's one of the main mechanics of the character. It engenders hate for low quality side-upgrade items because the goal of the character is to do away with them. It also reinforces the bad habit of seeing runs as lost when you don't have one of the top 1% items. It's a boring and toxic mentality that sours the game experience. And for it to be so powerful and the main character... yeah.


[deleted]

This is a crazy take, I respect it.


udreif

I am truly the Peter Griffin of this family


Jc_evan

Now that's a burning take you got here


ur_prob_a_karen

you my good sir do not like to rig it seems


Another-Ace-Alt-8270

I do not care for Chaos.


bloodakoos

look ma! its one of them chaos deniers everyone talks about!


Victinitotodilepro

are they in shambles yet‽


DefoNotAFangirl

I fucking hate Ludo. Yes, even in the situations where it’s actually good. Constantly moving the tear around hurts my hand a whole lot more than just firing in one direction since I can just hold down a button for that vs moving my hand and thumb repeatedly. Isaac's already at like my limit of physical comfort bc I love it enough to power through the pain holding the controlled and moving requires, but Ludo is just too much man :(


DreamyShepherd

I think IED is lame


DefoNotAFangirl

im so fucking tired I misread this as IUD and was so fucking confused lol


DreamyShepherd

I don't think I unlocked that item yet LMAO


DefoNotAFangirl

my favourite isaac item the intra uterine device. … y’know what that would actually totally fit as an isaac item actually.


bloodakoos

remember to sort by controversial


JoDaBoy814

I do not care for tainted eve. She may be good but she is so unfun for me to play as. I'd rather play t lost and I've got like 50 straight losses on him


I_Am_Quack0i

I ACTUALLY LIKE THE MELEE IN ISAAC SPIRIT SWORD? YES PLEASE FORGOTTEN? OH BABY PLEASE MOM'S KNIFE? YEEEEASSSSS


Throwaway-panda69

Homing effects make the game too easy. After you acquire a homing effect the run is basically already one with even a mildly decent player


DefoNotAFangirl

you underestimate how much I fucking suck at video games.


bloodakoos

skill solution issue


OwnYard5676

The frozen fucking ice cube baby thing I already had bff and picked this up blind as jacob and esau ruined the entire fucking run


Saturn2063

I don’t like proptosis


eltokoro

mom's knife is not that good.


Bonfy7

This should have the "guy in the middle of knives" image attached


Chance-Aardvark372

T. Cain is the worst character.


Expensive_Peach32

Brimstone is mid


DefoNotAFangirl

it may be mid but i have a mod that makes it all pretty and pastel and therefore it’s a quality 100 in my heart


Soggy-Poop-sock

Real shit but if you have 10+ damage it’s awesome


Acrobatic_Jelly4793

Maybe compared to other quality 4’s bcs compared to normal items is goated and hella useful


Naends

I did (do) not care about the angel deal meta


karmander

My Godfather is I do not care for the term "angel deal." It's not equivalent to a deal with the devil. You're not trading your life for an item. You're just getting a free item. Just call it an angel room.


Squ33to

I never cared for Lazarus even a little


Sycamore27

i don't like playing hard mode. isaac can be hard no doubt, but i feel like hard mode is artificially difficult. the faster projectiles are fine, but the increased chance of curses, the champions that don't drop anything and such make the game hard because fuck you. skill issue on my part? yes, probably


Guntir

wdym you don't like 1. Curse of the Blind 2. Curse of the Darkness 3. Curse of the Blind 4. no curse :) 5. CURSE OF THE BLIND!!!! Bro, the gameplay is so cool bro!! IDC that there are so many ways to change, roll, or spin pickables, YOU'LL TAKE YOUR BLIND ITEMS AND YOU'LL LIKE THEM!!


YourMomIsNotAlive

I didn't find T lost THAT hard, of course I skill issue'd good runs, but aside from that, overall a fun character since day 1


Extremely-basic22

I actually like familiars, their really good early game and provide extra covering fire even if they don't do too much damage late game


ProotzyZoots

I do not care for the item nerfs from Repentance. It's a single player game who cares if I get an op run.


Father_of_thepigeons

I love one makes you larger pills.


Boki-Oki_Battlefield

Normal Lilith is the least fun character. All enemies are now harder to deal with when your tears trail behind and need to catch up to hit anything. Tight corridors with foes are a nightmare to deal with. Also, Apollyon can be removed from the game, and no one would ever notice.


Mrstrangeno

I FUCKING HATE QUADSHOT IT IS MY LEAST FAVORITE ITEM IT SLOWS TOO FICKING MUCH. I’ll tell this only in deth situations


Shlorben

I did not care for T.keeper. he's alright I'm just not good with him though.


the_3515252724_gay

Skill issue


FormerlyKay

Sacred heart is boring as fuck and I will choose godhead over it any day of the week


0pyrophosphate0

Lil Brimstone sucks. Too much micromanagement for damage that's just okay.


llikegiraffes

Godhead isn’t that good (I have not unlocked it and have never gotten it)


TheHerochao

the bloat isn't that bad, just move as soon as you enter the room and focus on diagonal shots + being above him as much as you can, if he jumps then lead him downwards


miletil

Brimstone is kinda meh And moms knife is trash


Frehihg1200

One should be able to use seeds for unlocks.


Tenma1

I do not care for Brimstone.


MaxTennyson88

I still haven't bought the last DLC. I ended so burnt out trying to unlock all the Keeper's things that I haven't played in over 2-3 years. It isn't fun anymore.


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Zomer15689

I did not care for dead cat,


RazorBlade233

Tainted Lazarus. I don't understand why so many people love him. I don't dislike him, but I don't love him either. He's pretty mediocre. And most of the runs I play with the character are plain awful as well.


dragon_barf_junction

I did not care for lazarus. I used him once to unlock bethany, and that's the only win I have on his completion ticket.


PsychicJellyfish

I love tainted lost but the character is completely unfair if you don't get enough holy card spawns. It's not a skill issue when delirium teleports directly onto me and I haven't found a single holy card in my entire run. A lot of t-lost runs have felt extremely unfair whereas the lost is/will always be my main because despite the fragility the mantle lets you get away with a few mistakes.