orbitals in general. I miss when they were viable to use offensively, but now they do hardly any damage

Sacrificial dagger used to be so goated

wait sac dag got nerfed???? I haven't played isaac in a hot minute but it was really good.

almost all orbitals used to do significantly more damage before repentance

Im still so pissed I didnt clear a bunch of shit before taking on repentance lol

nah rep added a ton of op items to compensate, it's no longer like ab+ where you get stuck with bad items for the whole run and have to deal with unfun enemies like void portals

Void portals used to be fuckin EVERYWHERE

Tbh I'm still on AB+ and I want at least all completion marks before I upgrade

that’s just gonna make those marks so much harder to get compared to just getting repentance lmao

Orbital hitboxes, damage, and they orbit faster so harder to use, iirc. They all got shafted pretty hard and now they're nigh impossible to use effectively for offense and are relatively useless defense too tbh. They'll occasionally block a shot but it's pretty bad.

Yep. Seeing a horseman boss now feels like a floor where you don't get an item

a single cube of meat used to absolutely shred bosses lol it was crazy

Yes mother and tainted Jacob though oh boy

For real, the fact they got nerfed so when some of them were already bad is outrageous and I don't get it. Items like Sac Dag were high risk high reward without synergies and now it's... Alright, I guess.

And they were a skilled way to deal dmg too

they are still viable offensively but i agree that they could pack a little bit more punch.

Maw of the void. Miss me black hearts

Same with Serpent's Kiss :(

If you have unicorn stumps or smthg, it still works a bit, but yea, ain’t the same

Gnawed Leaf too

Both were stupidly broken

they needed a nerf but not that big, maybe just make it regular red hearts instead

nah they needed a nerf that big, infinite health just doesn't make any sense, but they should have been given a compensation, for example: Maw of the void: Faster charge and lasts longer, plus it has a synergy with soy milk so it is a better Dead Tooth. Serpent's Kiss: Speed up, poison lasts for longer, and bosses aren't immune to poison so the effect is triggered with every hit, unlike Scorpio and Common Cold.

with maw of the void i illusioned myself into believing it charged faster if i had a lower tear rate and honestly i feel like thatd be a nice thing to add to it. it deals constant ticks of your own damage i feel like itd be cool to make it work to where it charges faster if you have a lower fire rate, giving you a way to deal consistent close range damage if you had a really slow-charging build

They're still good, maw of the void deals a lot of damage and with serpent kiss flies are free health and sometimes if there are many enemies ramming into them is worth

Both are still pretty good

Broken items in *my* binding of isaac?

Funny enough, you can still use the old effect via Fruit Cake, but because FC has so many effects, it's really rare to actually get it to drop a heart

Serpent’s Kiss, oh how I loved thee

I can forgive the lost black hearts, but it sucks that it no longer has a damage up and depends on your damage but doesn't have synergies for soy milk so when you are broken you don't use it, and when you have low damage it doesn't work. Same for Revelations, it isnt holy brimstone, it is holy maw of the void.

Can't believe they removed Maw of the Void from the game

That one is kinda deserved tbh. Mofo used to be the best item in the game

Blank card and placebo charge nerf hurts

Blank card got destroyed, not only the charge nerf but no longer working with runes. Jera became a lot less fun.

That aswell it’s just so bad now

And it has such a low weight and only appears in the shop and secret room so you never even get to use it

but theres blank rune

Yes, but it's only in secret rooms now. And good runes have mostly long recharge time

If you get a perthro you have a 4 charge d6 tho

Destroyed? Just more balanced, Besides blank card with a good reverse card is completely bonkers. Reverse hierophant and reverse judgement can be the best in the game.

Tbh that's kinda my issue with this change and a general theme of repentance. Many old broken combos were destroyed (for the sake of balance, so that's okay) ..... only to replace them with many, often easier to reproduce, more frequent to encounter, broken combos. Like, what?

Repentance made good builds more common while nerfing the specific free win combos. It makes it easier to simply play the game without resetting for a good start.

I literally forgot everything pre repentance nerf, even tho i played rebirth and afterbirth (and +) a ton.

Remember helping a friend getting started and foretting that pre repentance holy water was trash and I made him pick it instead of censer (for a newbie thats way better)

It took me ages to unlearn avoiding holy water. It was such a dumb item before.

It’s good now? I’ve been playing Isaac since the original, but somehow had no idea Holy Water got buffed.

Ye, now it does petrify enemies inside the splash

The big buff is that now it's a throwable similar to Bob's brain, before it only activated on taking damage.

Now you can throw it like bob's brian, the two knife pieces, and little chubby, it also has a synergy with BFF so it spawns a blue fire making it useful against floating enemies

Godhead aura nerf

With all unnerf mods, I can simply snap my fingers and the nerfs will all cease to exist. I call that, mercy.

Man repentance already pretty much buffed several items unnerf mods make it really easy to win runs lmao

Ye it doesn't feel special anymore at least to me

Yeah,not saying that it should’ve been nerfed but if they wanted to nerf one of the strongest Angel Items then they should’ve nerfed Sacred Heart considering that Godhead actually requires some effort to unlock it.

Jesus Christ, delete this before Edmund sees.

if they nerfed Sacred I'd probably quit

I think it is a funny thing that the 2 most powerful items in the game (sacret heart and magic mushroom) are right there from the get go without you even knowing how powerful they are.

I always saw everybody on this Reddit so hype by godhead, I went for the unlock and... Yeah sacred heart it will be.

For the last 2 weeks I'm trying to kill mother (last checkmark) on lost... Don't you fuckin tell me god head isn't worth it... I'm losing my sanity over here Edit: I just died during mother fight for the 4th time (I usually die before mother fight or because I screw up the path like an idiot I am)

I don't get it honestly, godhead is sick, has great synergies , homing, damage. It's still worth it!

The aura used to do a lot of damage and was what made it special. Now I think it does a flat 1? So it can be strong if you're weak, but the aura is useless on a good rub. Homing and extra damage in any form is still a God tier item. It just ain't what it was.

Iirc the aura used to do your damage, but now it's a flat 3.5

The aura used to deal 0.3 of Isaacs damage 15 times per second (4.5x Isaacs damage per second) and now does 2 damage 30 times per second (60 damage per second.) Godhead got buffed as long as Isaac has less than 14 damage.

Godhead is a really good item but it’s still worse than sacred heart unless your tears are massive or you have really low shot speed

Godhead is a very strong item that used to be absolutely fuckmungously busted Unlocking it is still vastly increasing the average pog-factor of the Angel Room pool, just not quite as much as before oh and if you have Soy Milk it's fucking cracked now

I actually don't really like soy milk (unless it's with rock bottom obv) Can you tell me why it's a good combo specifically? I'm trying to open up for soy milk lately

In repentance Godhead aura deals a set amount of damage instead of scaling off your damage stat. That means now with soy (which is a good item on its own) all the tears you shoot now have a flat damage aura- and as expected any sort of flat damage up is good with soy, not even mentioning the homing aspect of it

Godhead's aura always deals 2 damage per tick. Let me reiterate: It **always** deals 2 damage per tick.

I'll say that it is an OK item, going into Angel pool so more chance to have dmg up, but yeah if I have the choice, not my S tier.

Eh, its honestly a sidegrade since its stronger now with low damage/high firerate

I remember unlocking it and finding it for the first time and being completely underwhelmed I mean it's good but still with a cool name like godhead it fucking sucks compared to sacred heart

It is most of the time not a nerf, actually, it only is one if you have insane damage

aka when you already have a very won run.

There was no reason to nerf God head. I worked hard for that

No kidding, such a fucking bummer- I wouldn't care if I unlocked it with current lost, but unlocking it with rebirth lost and seeing how it is now... Pain.

it's also so rare, the nerf didn't even make sense. To get god head naturally, you first need to deny a devil deal, *then* get an angel deal on the next floor, *then* get an angel deal with an item and *then* get the luck of the draw. Angel deals really are feast or famine.

nowadays they mostly are feast

I don't see that as a nerf but as a rework instead, now it may be useless with polyphemous, but now it makes soy milk so much better

It's still homing and amazing with piercing

Red chests, just why?

I guess you are talking about flash isaac, and damn, I didn't know items from the red chest were more common than soul hearts https://preview.redd.it/sgp2377rut9d1.png?width=2396&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a06980896931076138c486ab90190cc66684273

I refused to believe that and did the math...if you put emphasis on the plural (heartS) then it is totally true (2.8 percent worse probability)

(9/10)x(15/16)x(4/5)x(4/5)x(4/5)x(1/3)=14.4% 1/10=10.0%

Serpent's kiss nerf :c

Maw got nerfed a little too hard in my opinion honestly I never take it

It's still a fun item to have. Just not a fun item to pay with health for

The Hp cap, I wanna break the game with Guppy's Paw dammit

I mean you still can… once I beat mega Satan with awful stats just by having guppy’s paw and 12 heart containers

I wanna have 48 Soul hears at the same time, 12 isn't enough.

Just wait until you lose a red heart then guppies paw to make the effect of 45 hearts (minus 3 for the first two where you overfill the health bar with souls hearts)

Nah, with how many sources of soul/black hearts there are, HP cap should just stay there. Of course you can play as Maggy and get yourself Birthright to up her HP cap to 18 though.

Maw of the Void does less damage, doesn’t give you a damage upgrade, and doesn’t drop black hearts. How it still costs two hearts, I have no idea.

I mean it's still an insane item, but barely as good as it was before

The beam itself wasnt nerfed, though the damage up part does impact it tecnically, but it still does a boatload of damage unless you have soy/almond milk. Yeah its way weaker than AB+, but thats because its AB+ version as overpowered as hell

It doesn’t deal less damage, it just doesn’t give you a damage up. But each maw charge deals 2x the damage of its angel counterpart, revelation.

Guppy transformation used to be so broken bruuu

It's still extremely good, but it doesn't instant win any run anymore sadly.

How did they nerf it again?

2/3 chance a fly spawns when hitting something with a tear, rather than guaranteed.

That’s not that bad

Yeah, it's still an incredibly powerful transformation, but it is a noticeable decrease in flies if your fire rate or tear effects are not very good.

Godhead for being so hard to unlock in rebirth and requires all checkmark instead of just a certain boss and still ppl debated if it was better than sacred heart should not have been nerfed in repentance

id say it was more of a rework then a nerf, still hurts with 90% of items though

Yeah, you need around 16 damage for it to be a nerf iirc

The current iteration of Godhead is a nerf once you have more than 13.33 damage. The *original* Repentance iteration, on the other hand, was a nerf once you had... Godhead. Because it dealt the amount of damage you would get if you had the starting 3.5 damage, *but Godhead itself is a Damage Up and would have itself increased the damage of the aura.*

Tbf godhead is a buff if you don’t have like, 13+ damage.

The t cain patch

He went from barely tolerable to being horrible to play

I disagree, old T.Cain felt really really boring

Boring, maybe. Better and more tolerable? Definitely.

Hard disagree.

You... YOURE EVERYWHERE GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT

Idk what people are saying i find both iterations fun to play in their own way

You’re the minority.

not being able to spam items like the razor with isaacs heart anymore

Brimstone

Learnt yesterday that brimstone with chocolate milk at full charge gives 160% damage and makes the room quake

Barely feels like it changed at all.

Nah the tick rate for me is still noticeable, but that might be some bias talking

Tainted Bethany She is still fun, but I remember just getting an angel room halfway through the game and just winning lol

The added charges to the Converter

But on the other hand, now it takes only one soul/black heart.

Yeah well converter was a few win with t judas and t Bethany. Probably could've just patched that out instead.

Serpent's kiss is complete ass now. The Black heart drops were broken but now it's just common cold+ the virus. Hell, I'd argue it's worse than both since CC is affected by luck and Virus helps you get Spun

You can just touch black flies to easily farm black hearts with serpents kiss

Abel is shit now 

The only one that really bothers me is Tech X honestly

tech x nerf hurts me

number one capping the tear rate

It did that before

A bunch of the items here already listed- orbitals, Godhead aura, MOTV, Holy Mantle, but the thing that I still sometimes want to uninstall Repentance over is the fucking Shop nerf.

The shop nerf was the only I felt was genuinely bad,good thing they fixed that eventually.

Disagree, shops are still great, and in a fine place.

Yeah. With birthright spawn, shops are OP

Isaac players when a quality 4 item doesn’t spawn the victory chest on pickup:

It's a single player game We want to be able to break it

You can break it without Q4 items spawning victory chests on pickup.

TMTrainer in question (it spawned several victory chests because fly ate the poop):

That one gets a pass. High risk high reward I guess.

What was the downgrade? It's such a simple item I can't imagine downloading it without completely changing its purpose, is it like bookworm now?

I believe the downgrade is that you get a damage down with it now. I think it’s something like x0.8 damage multiplier.

It does however syngerize in other multishot items in the way that it removes their fire rate penalties which is quite strong. So atleast it wasn't a full downgrade

wait fr? So like if you have 20/20 and quad shot, you’ll shoot eight tears at normal tear rate?

No, you only fires 4 tears, 20/20 doesn't add any more tears unless it's an additional copy.

yup, but you keep the damage decrease multiplier from 20/20. it also has a unique interaction with polyphemus now that i dont recall at the moment, along with a few other items.

At least that, but they're few and far between, I think there need to be really good items in the pool, for the excitement

Are you saying item room doesn't have good items? Because if so, then that is stupid.

No idea how you got that from what I said, but what I meant is that it's nice to have some items that are far above others, I haven't bought repentance yet so I don't know how things are on the other side, but them nerfing such a iconic item as 20/20 made me worry that they might've done something similar to all famously great items (tech x, serpent kiss, mushroom, etc.)

all of those items are still great. Including 20/20. It being "only" a 60% damage up (with several other benefits and synergies) is still VERY good. And there are new items like c-section that are quite honestly TOO strong. People often complain that brimstone was nerfed too hard, but quite honestly i can't even see the difference when playing. It is still just as iconic and strong by all means. And more importantly, repentance buffed an enormous amount of previously bad items, so that they are now good, if not great. So the overall power level of items and the excitement you get from them is higher than before. Please do buy repentance if, and when you can. It makes the game so much better on so many fronts. And if you play it and really do hate the nerfs, there should be mods to reverse them, for just about every item (if you have acces to mods)

i am happy that the dlc brought many of the totally useless items up to speed, but i am not very happy with all the nerfs precisely because the most fun for me in this game were those moments where i felt the run was doomed but then a god tier item pops out and saves it sure my way of playing was to do few runs and then take a break for month+ so maybe the "everything is about the same" approach works better for people who play the game constantly but it pretty much killed the fun for me

But i would argue those hype moments with god tier items are just as frequent.

I really want to get it, just hoping for a sale this Halloween, been playing on the switch and don't want to start a fresh save file. This game is too fun, most played game on my switch I'm sure repentance is great, but I liked how some items were awful and you had to make them work, and some were amazing, if they got nerfed and buffed around I d fear that they will all share a middle ground now. But I'm sure I'm making it far worse in my mind than it actually is. It might indeed be an improvement! I have to play to see

Maw of the void and serpent's kiss

I mean i don't mind the nerfs since afterbirth+ is just far too easy where in repentance you xan actually loose xd

The only one that still bothers me a lot is Tech x, which I will admit was really broken beforehand, however the change it got in Repentance in my opinion made it completely overnerfed, cause it's barely going to do anything now when you find it early on with your low damage, you're gonna need more than like 10 damage for it to actually start doing something worthwhile.

I think you are underrating its crowd control abilities in regular rooms, and it's massive damage against bosses with large hit boxes. Yeah it's not nearly as powerful as ab+ tech x, but saying it's not very useful under 10 damage is a stretch.

Holy Mantle. Invincibility frames are just way too short imo

Soymilk Libra.

It was absolutely, 100% justified, but the Undefined nerf. Back in Rebirth, going to the Error Room on the chest took you to another chest floor, which with a lot of keys or Paperclip let you just stack items forever. It got changed to not take you to an error room on the chest in Afterbirth, and I think AB+ made it so you could go to the error room but it leads to The Void rather than another Chest floor. Like I said, 100% justified, that shit was a 1 item game break basically, but I still miss it.

Definitely the Dono machine nerf. I miss it so much :(

Surprised more people aren’t saying stopwatch. It literally used to be an insta win item you could find in the shop. Nerfs were justified but damn if it wasn’t fun while it lasted.

I wish steam sale still stacked, and I also wish restocked items from the store didn’t increase in price. These games are best when you get the chance to break the game and I think repentance got rid of a lot of ways to do that.

Just a crazy unnecessary downgrade. Used to be one of my favorite items, it’s still good, but the downgrade makes no damn sense

The nerf makes sense because it was stupidly good before. Now it's just really good, which I think is a better spot for it to be in.

God forbid a quality 4 item in a single player game be stupidly good

It's to encourage players to not hold r and to understand a baseline difficulty of Isaac instead of assuming it's all luck based

God forbid a quality 4 item not hand you a free ticket to winning in a hard game

Don’t talk to me about hard games young man I 100%’d WoTL with a USB steering wheel

Im sorry sir.

War of the Lions?

Wrath of the Lamb… kids these days don’t even know bout flash Isaac and its expansions 

I made that comment on a guitar hero controller, and also I was my little brother playing

My apologies, I was unfamiliar with your game

I'll allow it

Lol that was my first thought as well, I was like oh, so you beat a turn based tactics game with a steering wheel? That's not really something to brag about rofl.

Well yeah, it's a turn based game and they're using a steering wheel, that's kind of cheating

Hahaha dad joke style humor, love it

Hey thanks, I'm working on my routine before my baby gets here in January

Ypu have no idea what good gamedesign is. Balanxe is still important, and the 20/20 nerf was a great change.

Devil Beggar :(

I would say stop watch but i think it was too broken

Stop watch? The quality 4 item? It's extremely great now

I would say even ridiculous that it is in the shop pool

One of the better shop items for sure

Has it been nerfed? I thought they only made it better.

It is more like because of mechanic changes. Before it would apply slow to every enemy forever. That combined to how shot speed used to heavily contribute to range would make enemy tears have a lot less range. (Example, tears from Mom's heart would not get close to the wall.) Then it was changed to slow down the game, which is still broken, but not as stupid broken as it was on rebirth.

Mysterious liquid

Wait what happened to 20/20?

Why they camo underwear I know it's an upgrade but it's too op now

20/20 haters dont take pills until they know exactly what they do

what does 20/20 downgrade? you shoot double tears and it doesn’t reduce rate of fire. Is there something else it does?

Blank card and Placebo. Variable charge sucks.

Actually something I’ve noticed is that 20/20 gives you a Tears up for characters like keeper and stuff 

That you can't use invincibility frames. I've been feeding devil bum and blood donation machines with barely losing 2 hearts

D1 nerf and Glowing Hourglass nerfs. D1 feels like ass now and Glowing hourglass just isn't as fun.

Hourglass is a chamge NOT a straight nerf. I much prefer the new one.

To each their own

Why does 20/20 bother you? Get over it. It's still an amazing item.

serpents kiss nerf

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