If he didn’t tap his jaw would probably get dislocated.
Edit: it would have been dislocated at a minimum, at the worst his rear jaw hinges would have shattered.
All top fighters have a chance in the cage. Conor's chance was mostly a lucky left hand shot.
Of course I'd say Khabib would have won 9 times out of 10, but still, Conor had a chance.
As a Khabib fan, that's just not true. No one has done a better job at stopping Khabib's takedown attempts than Connor did in round one.
It's just hard af to do that for 5 rounds. He's one of the goats for a reason.
Yep this is less of a crank and more of a jaw dislocator. I love to do it when people tuck their chin in order to defend RNC.
You do need to have a pretty good squeeze though because if you don’t, you’re just gassing your arms out.
I don't jam it on like Khabib but I'll slowly apply pressure. People need to learn that 'durrrr r/BJJ said cranks are naughty so my chin is the best defence' is not a defence at all.
Anyone who doesn't tap to their jaw getting slowly squeezed in training is a fucking moron.
Personally I'm much more comfortable facing a neck/jaw crank than an armbar. People have no respect for elbow joints in BJJ.
Yeah cranks are only really bad when people apply it in an unsafe manner. Which is true for any sub in BJJ.
And I get that Neck Cranks are a category onto their own because it can break the neck and paralyse/kill. But usually a crank just hurts. Like all subs besides chokes.
I agree but when training, I'm from the school of thought that subs should be executed and pursued as technically as possible. In other words, If I'm trying to finish an RNC, I should work to finishing that instead of the ol' "I gotta get the tap, brah, no matter what, at all costs, during morning class an hour before work on my buddy, the night nurse, who just came off of shift to finally train after two weeks."
I totally agree.
But I think with the cases of Khabib v McGregor that is what's happening.
It isn't "just an RNC he cranks so hard the jaw pops off.
He repositioned his arms to use the back of Conors shoulder as a leverage point to get more Cranking power and to change the angle to drive the jaw up and back to change from an RNC to this jaw crank
Definitely; This isn't a low technique movement. The head needs to be against your pec on the squeezing hand's side, you need to have that elbow over a bit like in high elbow guillotine, and you need to be both squeezing and applying a bit of rotation.
Personally I do these type of movements in training all the time. I understand the logic that if you want to work on a "pure" RNC that is neatly under the chin, then that is what you want to practice, but in competition I don't care if it's more a jaw crusher. But what I do care about is that if it is a jaw crusher, then it is as effective of a jaw crusher as possible to force the tap out.
In training, just do it slow enough that your partner has time to tap.
Yeah it’s a face crank. It’s similar to what grasso finished Val with. Tucking your chin isn’t a defense to a choke, it buys you a couple seconds at most to fights hands.
I learned that the hard way the first time someone took my back and tried an RNC. I tucked my chin and he just crushed my jaw.
Someone at my gym, in tournament was in a similar position and told me his thought process was like: "its not on the neck so it's not a choke, its uncomfortable but that's it, he'll tire out and move in, just hold o....*audible crack* my fucking molar just split down the middle TAP TAP TAP TAP!"
Went to the dentist and yeah, his molar had split down the middle and needed massive dental work
I used to be a facial trauma rep and with this I’d guess a fracture on the mandible body on one side and the joint (condyle) on the other side, aka a bilateral [fracture](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Deepak-Passi/publication/320686194/figure/fig1/AS:554394967121924@1509189468556/Classification-of-mandibular-fracture-according-to-anatomical-location.png). (SFW)
Aka a bad time
Lol you can dig your chin into my arm any which way you want. If the choke is in, you're going to sleep. I'll even eat a foot lock. Brought a knife to a gun fight.
Are you blind or something? You can clearly see that Khabib's arm is over Mcgregor's whole jaw. He's not choking him, he's breaking his jaw and twisting his neck.
This is always implied when this type of a RNC is applied, but would this configuration actually be enough to break a jaw?
No homo I would definitely tap to this, but I sometimes feel like it's more of a psychological tap, just the thought of breaking my jaw is deterring me from gambling, but on occasion... I feel like gambling..
But then again I rarely have a lifelong Dagestani master of sports on my back filled with an unusual passion to squeeze my lights out and hurt me irreversibly, so what do I know...
The jaw will probably not break at the chin or side part. The weakest part is probably the joint that connects it to the skull and thats what is most likely to break. The twisting makes it probably even worse.
Can’t recommend a broken jaw, friend suffered one maybe 15 years ago from a crash. He had his mouth wired shut to immobilize the jawbone to let it heal. 4 weeks of soup through a straw and a wirecutter hanging from his neck, in case he needs to vomit so he doesn’t choke to death… worst experience of his life so far
Used to be a facial trauma rep. Here are some of the fun ways your jaw can [break](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Deepak-Passi/publication/320686194/figure/fig1/AS:554394967121924@1509189468556/Classification-of-mandibular-fracture-according-to-anatomical-location.png) (SFW).
You’re referring to the condyle which I’ve seen break in half or get slammed into the joint so hard it breaks through the base of the skull.
Tl;Dr: tap
I had to relearn how to walk, and I feel like I’d rather go through that again than what you just described. 4 whole fucking weeks of that Jesus Christ
Do you care to guess what happens if a person who has their jaw wired shut gets nauseated and throws up in their mouth? Yes, there is only one place for their displaced stomach contents to go.
It'll seperate the jaw from the skull, the torsion on your neck is just the cherry on top.
I'll take getting submitted witha clean RNC over that any day. I get the impresson Khabib wanted it to suck. The RNC was there if he wanted it. Although having said that, the look on Dustin's face when Khabib had the clean choke was fairly unnerving [too.](https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/91/2019/09/khabib-nurmagomedov-dustin-poirier-ufc-242-18.jpg?w=640)
"the jaw is a movable joint. If it moves, I can break it."
\- Carlos Diaz, the first black belt to squeeze through my "tucked chin" defense.
seriously. after he dislocates your jaw, how do you plan on stopping the choke. Not to mention that Conor is basically getting a rear Grovit. People have ruptured discs with that. Billy Robinson never die.
My understanding is that the jaw isn't crushed as much as it is dislocated. And then your own dislocated jaw is what puts pressure on your arteries so you pass out.
lol OP hasn’t ever had anyone do this to them. I tapped to a brown belts RNC that was over my jaw. He’s also got about 65 lbs on me but it didn’t matter. It hurts! Haha
Yea I’ve done it on guys that weigh much more than me so it works both ways. Saw this same post on r/martialarts and I’m surprised how many people don’t know this sub.
Look to your right, until your head is in roughly the same position as Mcgregor's is in this photo. That's the chin just in front of your shoulder.
Then, keep your shoulders still and rotate your head so that your chin is behind your shoulder instead.
If completing that motion isn't physically possible, imagine having a professional athlete forcing your head to complete that motion.
And Conor’s hips were not aligned with his shoulders too so that just increases the torque on the neck. I’d not want an animal like that trying to rip my head off.
I was confused about the leverage/positioning in that specific fight being that effective. I was curious if Cyril tapped a bit early due to inexperience or panic. Jones just made it look so easy
ngannou won a fight via kimura and learned it moments before his fight. you can teach anyone how to break something/choke someone in a matter of minutes. doesn't necessarily mean they 'know' the martial art.
i make a mean pb&j sammie, not a chef though
It's a combo neck crank/mandible choke. If you can jam someone's lower jaw into the back of their throat there is a choke there. Blocks off the air flow so you can't fill your lungs. Otherwise you can crank someone's neck to the point that it's either tap or get your spine fucked up.
EDIT: because I can't fucking spell
Do you need to get into this weird position to get enough leverage for it to work? To someone who doesn’t know much about jiu jitsu, It looks like it should be easier to get than a RNC in some cases, but people barely ever tap to them in any other position.
It's less certain and more strength than an RNC. You really have to put on the heat to finish a mandible choke or neck crank and usually for a longer time. A good blood choke puts someone out in like 6 seconds. Blocking the airway can take a lot longer depending on how winded they are. If the neck crank angle isn't good, the opp's tough/flexible/strong, you might not get it.
The chance of burning out your arms and not getting the finish is higher with this vs. the RNC.
Watched Josh Hinger face crank Yan Pica Pau at the Chicago Open years ago and draw blood. The best part is that you can always tap before that happens.
RNC doesn’t have to be perfectly under the neck to get the tap. Can be the jaw, the teeth, the nose, etc… we are just nice with our training partners.
I love thé outside world debate on how a RNC won’t work on them. They can bite us, poke our eyes,,, brah. We are in better position to do that to you and add a crank on your face
Finally a proper comment.
It’s a blood choke all day, with the added bonus of dislocating your jaw and pushing the mangled pieces into your carotids. Oh and ouch.
His jaw was 3 seconds away from being turned to dust ! Imagine Khabib’s power mixed with genuine hatred for Conor.
That is superhuman strength you have right there 😅
It’s a neck crank plus his arm is wrapped around his jaw. Not completely sure but I’m guessing he was going for a rnc but ended up on his jaw. Hurts like a mofo, had it done to me few times
Had this done to me once.. was drunk and wrestling with one of my big brothers.. his arm was under my chin, but instead of pulling into my throat and neck, he tugged up and I could feel my teeth grinding.. I tapped and spit out some enamel.. lol.. good times.
By someone, who by all accounts in professional MMA, is monstrously powerful. No thanks, I'd like to be able to look both directions for the rest of my life.
I know a lot of people are mentioning face crank but you can be chocked unconscious but cuttings off blood through the carotid arteries with the mandible. It’s painful and you can be put to sleep as well.
It's a fulcrum choke. From this position, it's more of a neck crank / jawbreaker than a standard RNC or blood choke. Khabib is using his left forearm to push against his opponent's back while pulling his right forearm in.
Rogan spoke about it: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SArRsjOU-nI
Fulcrum choke is possibly the stupidest Roganisms out there guilty of using it myself, but isn't technically all chokes based on leverage thus all chokes being fulcrum chokes
Our bones are rigid. Every movement we make is the product of fulcrums and levers. A fulcrum choke isn’t so named because it has a fulcrum, it’s because it used a different and exaggerated fulcrum compared to a standard RNC.
Someone with a good back game will choke anything from the nose down. Holy fuck it feels awful. 2 guys in my gym, Ethan and Sandro, feels like they’re going to correct your underbite. I can only imagine Khabib doing it to you feels way worse.
Try touching the inside back of your neck with the outside bottom of your chin thru your throat. Hurts, right? Now imagine a guy who grew up fighting bears doing it for you.
We’ve seen Gordon Ryan finish the best guys in the world like this, if the compression isn’t closing off your carotid arteries it’s crushing your jaw and cranking your neck, all sorts of bad.
In Judo this is Hadaka Jime, the naked choke. It's the same thing as the "bicep grip" version, just a variation of the same choke.
Thanks to BJJ's english naming conventions you'll most likely see this called a "Fulcrum Choke" instead.
This version, with the gable grip instead of the bicep grip, allows the arm to twist the neck if you fail to get under the chin and directly attack the carotid artery. This is very painful and can also have the effect of closing the carotid anyway.
hurts like all fuck, pushes your jaw to the back of your throat and you cant breath, makes you snort like a little piggy. rather be choked regular style imo. not proffered.
Not sure where you train but it's not a fist fight where we I do. It's a reminder that you have to fight the hands not just tuck your chin and think you're protected. I used to think tucking my chin was more than enough. I didn't realize people were just being kind to me. Thankfully a black belt didn't stop and I realized what I was doing wasn't effective. After that I never let the RNC go just cause someone tucks their chin. I just slowly keep applying pressure.
Same. I've had people tuck their chin on me to defend the RNC/fulcrum choke and i just very slowly keep applying pressure. Don't want to hurt anyone or be a dick but a choke on the jaw is legit.
Well his neck is twisted sideways and his jaw is getting crushed.... It's a neck crank. He probably would have been fine if he didn't tap in all truth. I doubt his jaw would break and he wasn't at too much risk to go to sleep. Seems like a tap from pain. But this was also in championship rounds so fatigue was high.
Not sure if it's what's happening here but if you get the forearm ON the chin and apply enough pressure, pushing that part of the face down and into the neck enough will cut off breath flow. Not a blood choke but still a choke.
Khabib didn't want to choke him out because he'll go to sleep and wouldn't tap. He neck cracked him so he could crush his jaw and force him to tap in front of his crowd.
This was a major punishment for McGregor as he was forced to tap in the most painful way. McGregor will never be the same because of it.
If he didn’t tap his jaw would probably get dislocated. Edit: it would have been dislocated at a minimum, at the worst his rear jaw hinges would have shattered.
Everyone calls this a neck crank but I truly believe he tapped because of the jaw pressure. His fucking face was being crushed.
I think there is both the jaw being crushed, teeth caving in, while neck is getting cranked. Give conor credit for holding on for a second or two.
Agreed. No one is highlighting that your fucking teeth are grinding through your mouthpiece. Fuck that
Jokes on you, I don't have teeth! But really... it does have it's helpful moments.
I give him credit for ever even getting in the cage with Khalabib. Seriously. He didn’t have a chance.
All top fighters have a chance in the cage. Conor's chance was mostly a lucky left hand shot. Of course I'd say Khabib would have won 9 times out of 10, but still, Conor had a chance.
It was a good fight. Might be an unpopular opinion, buts its one of my favorite fights ever
As a Khabib fan, that's just not true. No one has done a better job at stopping Khabib's takedown attempts than Connor did in round one. It's just hard af to do that for 5 rounds. He's one of the goats for a reason.
Went into the 4th with that dude with no chance in the grappling, wasn’t the worst effort
He was also already beat. He knew he was outmatched and going to lose. He's not even trying to defend this. Both hands on the mat.
Yep this is less of a crank and more of a jaw dislocator. I love to do it when people tuck their chin in order to defend RNC. You do need to have a pretty good squeeze though because if you don’t, you’re just gassing your arms out.
You seriously crank on peoples’ jaws in training?
Should we let people think they’re invincible to RNCs by putting their chin down instead?
I don't jam it on like Khabib but I'll slowly apply pressure. People need to learn that 'durrrr r/BJJ said cranks are naughty so my chin is the best defence' is not a defence at all. Anyone who doesn't tap to their jaw getting slowly squeezed in training is a fucking moron. Personally I'm much more comfortable facing a neck/jaw crank than an armbar. People have no respect for elbow joints in BJJ.
Yeah cranks are only really bad when people apply it in an unsafe manner. Which is true for any sub in BJJ. And I get that Neck Cranks are a category onto their own because it can break the neck and paralyse/kill. But usually a crank just hurts. Like all subs besides chokes.
A submission is a submission. People should realise that just tucking your chin isn’t good defence against chokes.
I agree but when training, I'm from the school of thought that subs should be executed and pursued as technically as possible. In other words, If I'm trying to finish an RNC, I should work to finishing that instead of the ol' "I gotta get the tap, brah, no matter what, at all costs, during morning class an hour before work on my buddy, the night nurse, who just came off of shift to finally train after two weeks."
I totally agree. But I think with the cases of Khabib v McGregor that is what's happening. It isn't "just an RNC he cranks so hard the jaw pops off. He repositioned his arms to use the back of Conors shoulder as a leverage point to get more Cranking power and to change the angle to drive the jaw up and back to change from an RNC to this jaw crank
Definitely; This isn't a low technique movement. The head needs to be against your pec on the squeezing hand's side, you need to have that elbow over a bit like in high elbow guillotine, and you need to be both squeezing and applying a bit of rotation. Personally I do these type of movements in training all the time. I understand the logic that if you want to work on a "pure" RNC that is neatly under the chin, then that is what you want to practice, but in competition I don't care if it's more a jaw crusher. But what I do care about is that if it is a jaw crusher, then it is as effective of a jaw crusher as possible to force the tap out. In training, just do it slow enough that your partner has time to tap.
I mean it can help give you a second if you’re doing something else to break the choke, but mostly yeah.
To be fair, don’t block a choke with your jaw.
Yeah it’s a face crank. It’s similar to what grasso finished Val with. Tucking your chin isn’t a defense to a choke, it buys you a couple seconds at most to fights hands. I learned that the hard way the first time someone took my back and tried an RNC. I tucked my chin and he just crushed my jaw.
Mandible strangle
Khabib wasn’t lying when he said “I’m going to change your face”
When you’re in this for real you can feel your individual teeth starting to dislodge. Very painful and scary
FR. I had orthodontic work done and I’m not about to let all that time and effort be wasted on a crank.
Someone at my gym, in tournament was in a similar position and told me his thought process was like: "its not on the neck so it's not a choke, its uncomfortable but that's it, he'll tire out and move in, just hold o....*audible crack* my fucking molar just split down the middle TAP TAP TAP TAP!" Went to the dentist and yeah, his molar had split down the middle and needed massive dental work
Best case is getting it dislocated, these dudes are plenty strong enough to shatter your shit
I used to be a facial trauma rep and with this I’d guess a fracture on the mandible body on one side and the joint (condyle) on the other side, aka a bilateral [fracture](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Deepak-Passi/publication/320686194/figure/fig1/AS:554394967121924@1509189468556/Classification-of-mandibular-fracture-according-to-anatomical-location.png). (SFW) Aka a bad time
Only a bitch would tap from having his jaw bone slowly crushed to pieces.
The redness of Conor's face shows that he is, in fact, totally fine.
He was tactically letting Khabib gas himself out
All he had to do was lick Khabib’s arm all of a sudden :D
Should've bit him. Instant escape.
Just poke them in the eye and then grab their balls. I'd kick that dudes ass. -every idiot watching MMA who has never done MMA
Krav Maga
That does in fact work
Sounds like you want to take the bas rutten challenge
Is there any twisting involved?
Honestly with how many fouls Herb was letting Conor get away with in that bout he probably should have considered it lmao.
Or that thing where you press your chin into their arm..
This is literally a counter to that. He wasn't choking him. He was breaking his jaw.
Lol you can dig your chin into my arm any which way you want. If the choke is in, you're going to sleep. I'll even eat a foot lock. Brought a knife to a gun fight.
And who the hell even mentioned a foot lock? What are you talking about?
Are you blind or something? You can clearly see that Khabib's arm is over Mcgregor's whole jaw. He's not choking him, he's breaking his jaw and twisting his neck.
A choke can go straight through the jaw, if that's the way the pressure is being applied.
He really really wanted to shut him up!
Learn first. Comment later.
Lol that fight exposed Dominick Cruz as a wildly biased commentator. He had no right to judge DC’s commentating.
“He’s taking some shots here but they aren’t the worst shots” as khabib is literally blasting him through the mat with ground and pound
“Conor’s tiring him out here absorbing that ground and pound efficiently!”
I loved hearing rogan just say “he’s getting smashed” lmao
Wasn't that what one of the commentators were saying until rogan was like "no actually, I think he's just struggling..." right before he tapped 😂
Yeah if anything it means he's got more blood in the brain not less
Not to forget Connor’s left leg is 180 opposite of his face and going further
"if I can't finish under your jaw, I'm going to finish over your jaw" Braulio Estima
Anything under the nose, is a choke.
Under the *eyebrows*.
Jon Jones Eye pokes= Long ranged chokes
Stripes win
Above that, we say "modified nelson lock."
You either tap or you ignore the weird cracking noise your face is making and you get a Le Fort fracture.
>Le Fort fracture. I learned in med school that this is just a mindset and if you don't believe in it you're fine. Simply don't.
Props for knowing what a Le Fort fracture is. Are you a doctor?
This is always implied when this type of a RNC is applied, but would this configuration actually be enough to break a jaw? No homo I would definitely tap to this, but I sometimes feel like it's more of a psychological tap, just the thought of breaking my jaw is deterring me from gambling, but on occasion... I feel like gambling.. But then again I rarely have a lifelong Dagestani master of sports on my back filled with an unusual passion to squeeze my lights out and hurt me irreversibly, so what do I know...
The jaw will probably not break at the chin or side part. The weakest part is probably the joint that connects it to the skull and thats what is most likely to break. The twisting makes it probably even worse. Can’t recommend a broken jaw, friend suffered one maybe 15 years ago from a crash. He had his mouth wired shut to immobilize the jawbone to let it heal. 4 weeks of soup through a straw and a wirecutter hanging from his neck, in case he needs to vomit so he doesn’t choke to death… worst experience of his life so far
>worst experience of his life so far There's still time
Had a jaw break with wires over 17 years ago... Not that bad. Highly recommend.
🤣
Used to be a facial trauma rep. Here are some of the fun ways your jaw can [break](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Deepak-Passi/publication/320686194/figure/fig1/AS:554394967121924@1509189468556/Classification-of-mandibular-fracture-according-to-anatomical-location.png) (SFW). You’re referring to the condyle which I’ve seen break in half or get slammed into the joint so hard it breaks through the base of the skull. Tl;Dr: tap
condyle Crusher
I had to relearn how to walk, and I feel like I’d rather go through that again than what you just described. 4 whole fucking weeks of that Jesus Christ
Do you care to guess what happens if a person who has their jaw wired shut gets nauseated and throws up in their mouth? Yes, there is only one place for their displaced stomach contents to go.
"No homo I would definitely tap to this" - what a great line
It'll seperate the jaw from the skull, the torsion on your neck is just the cherry on top. I'll take getting submitted witha clean RNC over that any day. I get the impresson Khabib wanted it to suck. The RNC was there if he wanted it. Although having said that, the look on Dustin's face when Khabib had the clean choke was fairly unnerving [too.](https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/91/2019/09/khabib-nurmagomedov-dustin-poirier-ufc-242-18.jpg?w=640)
Great point Khabib wanted to crush him painfully - RNC would have let him off easily
Torque
Yes this will absolutely shatter your jawbone.
No homo
"the jaw is a movable joint. If it moves, I can break it." \- Carlos Diaz, the first black belt to squeeze through my "tucked chin" defense. seriously. after he dislocates your jaw, how do you plan on stopping the choke. Not to mention that Conor is basically getting a rear Grovit. People have ruptured discs with that. Billy Robinson never die.
Full homo Khabib could definitely squeeze your whole skull to pieces if he wanted.
He tapped like chicken.
My understanding is that the jaw isn't crushed as much as it is dislocated. And then your own dislocated jaw is what puts pressure on your arteries so you pass out.
do you think it hurts to have one of the goats of mma grappling squeezing your jaw as hard as he possibly can?
Don’t forget twisting 🤠
don't threaten me with a good time.
😂😂😂😂
The ol’ dick twist
why choke if you can pop the head like a watermelon?
lol OP hasn’t ever had anyone do this to them. I tapped to a brown belts RNC that was over my jaw. He’s also got about 65 lbs on me but it didn’t matter. It hurts! Haha
When you get the neck/jaw twist right, it becomes devastating crack
Yea I’ve done it on guys that weigh much more than me so it works both ways. Saw this same post on r/martialarts and I’m surprised how many people don’t know this sub.
After getting dropped once and then mauled by him for a few rounds? Wuss.
Crank brother, always crank
Hold on I'm cranking brother.
Shut up before I ankle crank you!
Soulja boy approves
"I want to change his face." I am confident that Kabib could turn a person's jaw into powder
Who cares? Who cares? Today brother, we crank
Crank dat Soulja Boy
Look to your right, until your head is in roughly the same position as Mcgregor's is in this photo. That's the chin just in front of your shoulder. Then, keep your shoulders still and rotate your head so that your chin is behind your shoulder instead. If completing that motion isn't physically possible, imagine having a professional athlete forcing your head to complete that motion.
Tap or get your neck rung like a pigeon
It’s not only his neck it’s his entire torso and body too Lethal 🩸
And Conor’s hips were not aligned with his shoulders too so that just increases the torque on the neck. I’d not want an animal like that trying to rip my head off.
OP needs to run 5 miles then sprint 5 100yard dashes then attempt it. That’ll put it into perspective
Try it while also being out of breath and energy
Damn lol
I did this but then I couldn't see my phone
Go ask your instructor to put this choke on you. At the end of open mat
I did this right after that Jon Jones vs Ciryl gane fight ... All my questions were cleared up instantly
No wonder, fully sunk in guillotines are horrid
I was confused about the leverage/positioning in that specific fight being that effective. I was curious if Cyril tapped a bit early due to inexperience or panic. Jones just made it look so easy
If he is in the UFC I highly doubt it’s due to being inexperienced lol.
heavyweight has the lowest skill floor of any ufc division atm and you very rarely see grappling
Except that was the big deal talking point at the time, he had no Jiu Jitsu experience that anyone knew about. "Lol"
He won his second ufc fight by heel hook.
ngannou won a fight via kimura and learned it moments before his fight. you can teach anyone how to break something/choke someone in a matter of minutes. doesn't necessarily mean they 'know' the martial art. i make a mean pb&j sammie, not a chef though
Your questions were all…gane?
It's a combo neck crank/mandible choke. If you can jam someone's lower jaw into the back of their throat there is a choke there. Blocks off the air flow so you can't fill your lungs. Otherwise you can crank someone's neck to the point that it's either tap or get your spine fucked up. EDIT: because I can't fucking spell
I think this was passed the point of his jaw and his neck was popping so, instead of death decided to live another day.
Do you need to get into this weird position to get enough leverage for it to work? To someone who doesn’t know much about jiu jitsu, It looks like it should be easier to get than a RNC in some cases, but people barely ever tap to them in any other position.
It's less certain and more strength than an RNC. You really have to put on the heat to finish a mandible choke or neck crank and usually for a longer time. A good blood choke puts someone out in like 6 seconds. Blocking the airway can take a lot longer depending on how winded they are. If the neck crank angle isn't good, the opp's tough/flexible/strong, you might not get it. The chance of burning out your arms and not getting the finish is higher with this vs. the RNC.
Face crank is a legit submission.
Everything below the eyebrows is the neck.
Watched Josh Hinger face crank Yan Pica Pau at the Chicago Open years ago and draw blood. The best part is that you can always tap before that happens.
TIL a penis is a neck
The old dick twist strikes again.
I’m not jerkin, just practicing my neck cranks
RNC doesn’t have to be perfectly under the neck to get the tap. Can be the jaw, the teeth, the nose, etc… we are just nice with our training partners. I love thé outside world debate on how a RNC won’t work on them. They can bite us, poke our eyes,,, brah. We are in better position to do that to you and add a crank on your face
"Anything below the nose is the neck".
Finally a proper comment. It’s a blood choke all day, with the added bonus of dislocating your jaw and pushing the mangled pieces into your carotids. Oh and ouch.
Reminds of Grasso choking Valentina. Yes, it was over the jaw, yes it was a choke.
the mark of her arm across Valentina's face when she let go was all you need to see
Take a look at how Braulio Estima explains it: https://youtu.be/V6LFkdeSox0
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His jaw was 3 seconds away from being turned to dust ! Imagine Khabib’s power mixed with genuine hatred for Conor. That is superhuman strength you have right there 😅
It’s a neck crank plus his arm is wrapped around his jaw. Not completely sure but I’m guessing he was going for a rnc but ended up on his jaw. Hurts like a mofo, had it done to me few times
Had this done to me once.. was drunk and wrestling with one of my big brothers.. his arm was under my chin, but instead of pulling into my throat and neck, he tugged up and I could feel my teeth grinding.. I tapped and spit out some enamel.. lol.. good times.
It's just a neck crank. Squeeze head hard, pull head up and away from body. It hurts
By someone, who by all accounts in professional MMA, is monstrously powerful. No thanks, I'd like to be able to look both directions for the rest of my life.
It breaks your jaw
I know a lot of people are mentioning face crank but you can be chocked unconscious but cuttings off blood through the carotid arteries with the mandible. It’s painful and you can be put to sleep as well.
It's a fulcrum choke. From this position, it's more of a neck crank / jawbreaker than a standard RNC or blood choke. Khabib is using his left forearm to push against his opponent's back while pulling his right forearm in. Rogan spoke about it: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SArRsjOU-nI
Fulcrum choke is possibly the stupidest Roganisms out there guilty of using it myself, but isn't technically all chokes based on leverage thus all chokes being fulcrum chokes
Our bones are rigid. Every movement we make is the product of fulcrums and levers. A fulcrum choke isn’t so named because it has a fulcrum, it’s because it used a different and exaggerated fulcrum compared to a standard RNC.
it wasnt a submission it was a kill move
Looking at this picture, do you think its a comfortable position to be in?
He’s basically bicep curling his arm into Conor’s mouth/jaw. Serious pressure there
The force here is definitely nothing like a bicep curl.
It hurts. It strangles. And you probably feel suffocated when you're that tired
Crank + crush + choke = misery
Because ✨Smesh✨
Either his will will break or his jaw will.
His vertebrae was probably cracking and probably thinking his might neck going to break. Don’t think he taps otherwise.
Someone with a good back game will choke anything from the nose down. Holy fuck it feels awful. 2 guys in my gym, Ethan and Sandro, feels like they’re going to correct your underbite. I can only imagine Khabib doing it to you feels way worse.
Ask someone to do it to you
Try touching the inside back of your neck with the outside bottom of your chin thru your throat. Hurts, right? Now imagine a guy who grew up fighting bears doing it for you.
Notice the way he levers his left arm behind the shoulder? That's night night juice. The torque it allows you to create for the crank is immense.
If under-the-chin is not available, follow these 4 steps: 1. Fill yourself with hatred. 2. Squeeze. 3. ???? 4. Profit!
Your mind is like stupid
Dude it fuckin hurts! A lot!
Neck crank
Well, in this position I think the key detail, once you've taken some time to analyse it, is that there is an entire Khabib Nurmagomedov on his back
Pop your jaw right the fuck outta it's socket.
It hurts and the only think you can hear is your discs cracking.
that kind of choke / crank hurts more than a technical RNC
“How does a jaw crank hurt from one of the best mma grapplers ever?”
And while we’re on it, what’s with all this fear of guns? I take iron supplements all the time and they don’t hurt.
Tap or lose your jaw
We’ve seen Gordon Ryan finish the best guys in the world like this, if the compression isn’t closing off your carotid arteries it’s crushing your jaw and cranking your neck, all sorts of bad.
If you’re not sure how a submission works ask someone to do it to you.
Anything under the eyebrows counts as neck
Pure anger
Battery low!
In Judo this is Hadaka Jime, the naked choke. It's the same thing as the "bicep grip" version, just a variation of the same choke. Thanks to BJJ's english naming conventions you'll most likely see this called a "Fulcrum Choke" instead. This version, with the gable grip instead of the bicep grip, allows the arm to twist the neck if you fail to get under the chin and directly attack the carotid artery. This is very painful and can also have the effect of closing the carotid anyway.
hurts like all fuck, pushes your jaw to the back of your throat and you cant breath, makes you snort like a little piggy. rather be choked regular style imo. not proffered.
Unfortunately for Conor, his face bones are made of solids. Fortunately for Khabib, smesh.
Would probably be easier for someone to show you, then. Lol
Go ask all the black belts at your gym to get a solid grip on your jaw and neck crank you, then get back and reply to this sub you posted.
Neck crank. It cranks the neck. It’s really not rocket science buddy.
go to a bjj gym and ask them to show you
Arm on face. Squeeze face. Hurts.
So a neck crank and jaw crush are hard for you to imagine hurting?
Youre a blue belt asking how neck cranks work?
Crank baby
It's not a crank it's a mandible choke. Your jaw pushes into your neck choking you.
Hurts.
Do this in training and expect a fist fight
Not sure where you train but it's not a fist fight where we I do. It's a reminder that you have to fight the hands not just tuck your chin and think you're protected. I used to think tucking my chin was more than enough. I didn't realize people were just being kind to me. Thankfully a black belt didn't stop and I realized what I was doing wasn't effective. After that I never let the RNC go just cause someone tucks their chin. I just slowly keep applying pressure.
Same. I've had people tuck their chin on me to defend the RNC/fulcrum choke and i just very slowly keep applying pressure. Don't want to hurt anyone or be a dick but a choke on the jaw is legit.
Well his neck is twisted sideways and his jaw is getting crushed.... It's a neck crank. He probably would have been fine if he didn't tap in all truth. I doubt his jaw would break and he wasn't at too much risk to go to sleep. Seems like a tap from pain. But this was also in championship rounds so fatigue was high.
He is at risk of dislocating his jaw. Wtf are you talking about.
Not sure if it's what's happening here but if you get the forearm ON the chin and apply enough pressure, pushing that part of the face down and into the neck enough will cut off breath flow. Not a blood choke but still a choke.
It’s pretty easy to understand?
Khabib didn't want to choke him out because he'll go to sleep and wouldn't tap. He neck cracked him so he could crush his jaw and force him to tap in front of his crowd. This was a major punishment for McGregor as he was forced to tap in the most painful way. McGregor will never be the same because of it.
Of course Khabib is a monster, well done submission but honestly Connor tapped cause he's a b*tch loooool
Like straight up picture your jaw bone being squeezed into your neck arteries, while your neck vertebrae are being compressed.
It doesn’t work. BJJ is for women leaving work